I'm an Orion fanboy. The things you find boring about him are what I love. It feels super loreful to start off kind of slow and focus on building up Athel Loren before venturing out to start healing other trees. In my current Orion campaign I've now got Athel Loren super strong and protected and I'm off in the old world trying to heal that tree because Festus has given half of the Empire COVID
It should be noted that Drycha's quest battle for Coeddil is currently bugged and not completable, so make sure to use a mod that lets you autoresolve quest battles if you're going to play Drycha right now.
The quest battle is completable, you just need to get army lossses by yourself with none of the reinforcements. You don't get Coeddil for doing it though, just the Fang of Taalroth.
A bit of a tip for anyone who likes playing durthu; -Immediately upon starting the campaign i like to recruit a treeman lord at your starting settlement and have that lord use the office that gives you 25 growth in the local province. that will get your place up and running quickly at the expense of 300 gold but they can also help defense in case Grom gets aggressive which he usually does after pummeling paravon
@@drunken-master7904 I prefer to squish Norn and gun for the forest in Cathay as fast as possible to get the upkeep reduction for all forest spirits so that I'm ready to have a cheap tree man doomstack with durthu. Sticking around Athel Loren for too long is a easy trap to fall into
Finished yesterday a domination campaign with the TwilightSisters, was pretty good. Its great that with the world root system you can go to pretty much the whole map, but upper Cathay could really use a forest there.
Currently 97 turns into Durthu in a co-op campaign with Alarielle. I'm waging war on 5 fronts, at war with basically every destruction faction and military allies with basically ever order faction and acting like some kind of global babysitter for all of them... Just you know... Drowning the world in blood to nourish my roots. I'm in so many wars I've not had time to heal a single forest despite having 3 ready to pop. It's glorious. I'm fighting 3-4 battles per turn, at -2k income and still drowning in money just from all the battles I'm fighting.
Drycha has always been one of my favorite characters, and her campaign remains one of my favorites. The Sisters are also fun, but nothing comes close to how much fun I have playing as Drycha. As everyone else I feel like I need to take lands as I go and try to hold them long after I've left the area - with Drycha I feel like I can just go on a rampage anywhere I want, and as long as I leave a small army to babysit each forest while it heals and keep the heathlands clear I never really have to stay in any one place for very long at all. I'm looking forward to playing her again in IE and trying to control and heal every forest on the larger map! Vampire Coast is one of the few factions I haven't played *any* campaigns with, so I'd love to see a video full of reasons for me to give them a shot!
I keep having Treasure Island crashes so I tried to pick a Legendary Lord who I didn’t need to worry about sailing through those by accident. I chose Drycha and found my new favorite. Never thought I was interested in her at all, but her campaign is ridiculously fun.
Playing Drycha right now and yeah it's definitely fun. I thought she'd be weak because of elfs being more expensive, but she actually feels the strongest because malevolents get so many great unique skills
I had never tried Drycha just because she seemed like the 'Hard Mode' of Wood Elves, but maybe I had it all wrong. Her campaign isn't really any harder?
@C U Next Tuesday I probably just thought that her Elf Units being sort of worse would mean it was harder, since you rely on them so much to start, but I guess her starting army and the way settlements work for Wood Elves means it's really not that big a deal.
@@TheRedAzuki Not just that, but she's also stronger than the others in the early game because of how malevolents buff the wild spirits, and her campaign wide dryad boosts.
@C U Next Tuesday T3 access to Treemen is such an underrated feature of her faction. Getting to T3 is really easy while just getting growth to T4 takes forever. Not to mention all building past T3 gets mad expensive. If you want large stompy doomstacks, Her campaign might be best campaign for that in whole game.
One note: Growth works very differently for Wood Elves. Your main settlement line requires no growth to upgrade all the way to max. It just requires cash. It would be nice if you could get more out of nearby buildings for Orion, but again, it doesn't really matter as much. Cash is King for the Wood Elves.
Durthu's office gives +5 ranks to ancient treemen lords. You can recruit one very early on, give them the office that increases growth, and the growth skill from the blue line, and you'll get more buildings faster. Keeps someone there to defend against forest incursions too.
You need to mention that the quest to gain Coeddil is currently bugged and unmentioned as being fixed even in the current 2.2 patch notes. Was thoroughly enjoying Drycha's campaign until I discovered that.
Wood elves are one of my favourite races to play (I love archers) and my lord choice is usually the sisters. I never really gave Drycha a try because I'm a big fan of the elf units but after watching this I'm definitely going to give it a try!
Wood Elves were always my favourite aesthetic in Warhammer 2, but their campaign was always a bit meh until the update. But now they've got one of the best campaigns in the game I adore playing them.
Drycha's elf are like, basically, zombies or mentally controlled. Reduce melee stats, range and higher cost... but higher morale! It is fun to play her. Her tree focus army kicks ass! And she has acces to instantly recruitable to beastly animals (a similar mechanic of reanimation from vampire, but with a force a nature theme) it is nice.
I'd love it if they gave Orion & Durthu different goals from the Sisters. Orion might be focused on ranging far and wide to hunt down specific threats, while Durthu could be incentivized to conquer in a more traditional way and spread the forest out from Athel Loren.
Ooh, I love the idea of giving Orion a hunting mechanic similar to Norsca. It could even use the same monsters and battles, although accessed through a different UI system and maybe with slightly different rewards.
Hey ItalianSpartacus I been your subscriber for many years and I have seen other RU-vidrs trying same thing except that their knowledge is crap and you sir know what your talking about because I've played by your opinions and knowledge of how to play this game the right way and I have been very successful. 2thumbs up!
Minor correction: It's not only Drycha that gets Scent of Blood, the Malevolent Ancient Treemen (Beasts) gets it as well. The Shadows one gets the insidious glamour, and the Life one gets regen and +15% replenishment for tree units.
Orion has changed alot from warhammer 2. In 2 warhawks were very strong in that campaign since they got the cost reduction from his cavalry bonus, and they also benefited from all the charge bonuses you could give them. But in 3 they take 3 turns to recruit which is not worth it considering how squishy they can be and how easily it is for them to get stuck in melee. Now that supply lines have changed wardancer builds are much more viable. Orion can make some pretty devastating rush builds where you can flood across an army much like a cavalry force but wont suffer for getting bogged down in melee. Put a helm of discord on Orion and he can really get in the thick of things and mix it up. He can really push out alot of damage with his abilities. With good army movement you can have your army hit from head on with with him leading some tree kin, wardancers (both varieties) hitting the flanks and your caster and glade Capitan striking from the rear on their eagle mounts right as the horn of the wild hunt is blown, all the while using his aoe's. If executed well you can break an enemy in stunning speed. Very fun play style. That said if you want to do a long campaign victory Reikland continues to be a thorn to that goal. Usually one of the two forests gets occupied by them and going to war with them tends to turn you into the crisis faction for the map, but that has its fun too.
I just want some advice on playing wood elves in general: I played drycha and i felt like i had no time to jump into other forests, there were sooooooo many enemies declaring war for no reason. At the start i wanted to do a fun campaign were I defeat my early enemies and then I venture into athel loren, i beat the wood elves and then I just travel from forest to forest. In my understanding the ai will feel the need to send every possible threat at you if you start expanding, which is what i did. But if you don't occupy the settlements and just raze them, the next enemy that declares war on you will just colonise the ruins you left behind and then it's whack a mole. I honestly did not have the opportunity to occupy a second tree: I had to deal with so many threats I had to be everywere at once just to stop the 20 stacks from coming.Turn 106 and I had Gryphon Wood and what I managed to get from Throt, Festus, Every Norscan you can think of, Archaon, Azazel, Vlad, Every Greenskin on the map, Ungrim, Katarin, Kostaltyn, some empire factions, and many more that declared war on me. A lot of settlements yes, but nothing relevant to the wood elf campaign. Has not expanding but just razing worked for you? Did the ai leave you at peace? This is on Hard campaing difficulty btw, not even that extreme.
Totally agree with the list! I had my first campaign (and also gog the long victory) with Drycha in IE and it was a lot of fun! Out of the choices you mentioned I'd love to see your opinion on the Vampire Counts factions.
You've misunderstood the forge of daith. You can get ALL the items, none of them are mutually exclusive, nor are they bound to the sisters. Reforging improves the item with a temporary bonus.
Durathu is also fun and one of my favorite lords in the game as he is a literal giant from the start, no dragons or mounts needed he's just a giant sized lord and possibly the largest lord outside the dragon oger before the other chaos factions came out. And it's fun to play a giant like him. Also wood elves are one of my favorites races.
Would appear Drychas quest chain is extremely bugged and not ported over, You miss out on an extremely powerful 10% ward save +10% phys resist trait for trees, the legendary hero and a quest to confederate Durthu. You can use a mod to start with the hero but i'm honestly not touching her till its all fixed that ruins a lot of the treemen fun for me.
I usually start with Wisdom of the Yew as my first tech with Drycha. I find I don't really need the extra Forest Health and fire resistance at the start and having poison on all of my tree units is awesome, but especially useful for the early game
It's a pity that Drycha's campaign appears to be bugged right now. Not only is the quest battle bugged, but even if you manage to suffer through it seems you cannot get Coeddil the normal way.
@@danyalexys4956 You cannot currently obtain Coeddil since questlines have been shortened and there was an oversight with how the questline of Drycha works
I wish Durthu was as interesting as Drycha. I do not know anything about design groups at CA but their DLC group seems to have more imagination that the core group.
I disagree on so many things about this list lol I think drycha is the worst out of the bunch (still fun), Orion is great because he steamrolls through confederations, and focusing on the minor forest cities and getting them to 100 gives the oak of ages that growth you need. I didn’t really do any heathland fights and still got the oak up to 5 by turn 110 ish
It's deceptive. You don't use Growth the same with Wood Elves. Their main settlement line requires none of those development points, just huge amounts of cash, etc. Their economy is very different.
@@Kasaaz Imo it's even worse for we to start without growth because you need it for both your economy and some of you army buildings. And you need growth to get more growth.
Edit: (Might not be the case anymore in TW3) For sisters of twilight I actually recommend not putting them on the dragon. The sister get the mount they are not using as a summon on the battlefield. So instead of sending in the sisters into meele on a dragon, lets them fly over the battle field on the eagle raining down there volleys and let the free dragon sommon go into meele at the same time.
@@Dan-vo7vc Good to know that it is not just me then. I think that they get a passive now instead, based on the mount(Gwindalor's Vantage or Ceithin-Har's Tenacity).
I feel like if Orion was given norsca’s monster hunts or Oxyotl’s mechanic of hunting down threats before they occur, he would be a much better lord. I feel like his faction mechanics should also spread to some infantry units, not just cavalry.
I always want to play Wood Elves but I don't really like any of their lords. Half the lords actively hate Wood Elves, one is a forest demigod and the others are flyers. I just want some form of 'normal' character like Sceolan with Scarloc as a Legendary Hero who are like an anti Drycha. More buffs to Wood Elves and very few forest spirits.
I think you may have explained the re-forge function in the Forge of Daith incorrectly. My understanding is that re-forging boosts the item temporarily. Unless CA changed it from WH2 to WH3. Great vid otherwise.
You are correct. "Reforge" is basically a 5 turn overcharge of the item. For instance, it can grant you a massive +75% research speed. You are also not limited to only 1 path or one set. As long as you have Daith's Favour, you can keep forging stuff. This allows you to give super strong items to various lords and heroes, not just the Sisters of Twilight.
Is that possible in IE(I know it was possible in ME)? I did the campaign recently, and no matter what mount I chose, I did not get any summon ability on them. Maybe I just missed the button or maybe it is bugged for me.
@@davidrochon3823 It turns out that you cant summon the opposite mount anymore(it was kind of OP, so I guess that is fair). Instead, you get a passive based on the mount you are on. For the Great Eagle, you get a missile attack buff as long as no enemies are within 70 meters of you(so sniper skirmish mode). If you are on the dragon, you get a melee buff(damage and resistance I think) when you get below 50% health(which kind of off-set the "wounded" trait). So now you have to choose the mount based on your actual playstyle, and not just which summon is better. :P
So currently playing a multiplayer campaign against sisters of twilight as Grok Gar. Does anyone have army composition ideas for countering them? Lots of AP range and big dinos just don't seem like a good idea. Is it as simple as Temple Guard/Chameleon skink spam?
I feel like you should mention which characters benefit from overall changes like increase in level cap or other things to highlight which campaigns feel different from their wh2 version
Only trouble i have with Durthu and Drycha is that Dryads are underperforming (at least in WH2 they were), and you are stick with them for a lot of time
I would like Orion to be moved to somewhere else and maybe have his campaign as "returning from the wild hunt" - he's been out on an adventure and must now go back and claim the forest that has fallen in his absence
Eh, I think Orion not being in Athel Loren would be weird, kinda like not having Karl Franz start in Reikland or Malekith start somewhere other than Naggarond.
I hopped into a IE drycha campaign with no background research and it was surprisingly fun. I really like her ambushing empire events and her starting location. Being able to upgrade units like Medieval 2 was also a pleasant surprise. I think with a few additional unit mods to expand the roster even more it would be a solid campaign. I was also bored with Orion and had fun with Durthu rampage but Drycha has a very unique campaign feel with plenty of interesting enemies and opportunities.
Before this video I was trying out the WE and had LOTS of Fun as Drycha! Only for several bugs to kinda... Ruin my enjoyment. "Wisdom of the Wildwood" Doesn't list Feral bears in the %20 resist buff (Likely since they're a 3rd game unit and it's a 2nd game tech), but even then, after getting it, it doesn't apply the physical resistance to ANY of the units it lists. The Legendary Hero Quest Battle itself was bugged, indestructible spots for the WHOLE mission, while still completeable? It didn't give me the hero after. Aaand Durthu's confed mission when completed did absolutely nothing. No Confed dilemma
Certainly hope CA does NOT implement the "loss of unit" scheme in domination if they do.... It's gg for anyone not a ranged faction. They need to STOP doing multiple drastic changes at one time.
The first time I played Drycha, I knew immediately that the Wargrove of Woe would be my favorite faction. Vampire Counts will always be my first love, but Drycha is my soulmate. Okay, and now I sound weird. Time to go outside and touch grass. Great video as always, ItalianSpartacus!
For me the worst campain for the WE by far is drycha. the fact that CA went over stupid non-woodelf things liek zoats over actually going for the forest units that make Woodelf different from the other elves is just an enigma for me. i even modded zoats out the game for myself, have no place in the WE roster
Orion is my favorite lord. I do hope CA gives him a little more flavor on the next rework. The Sisters just feel way better than Orion from a faction perspective that I always feel like I should play them instead
I was with a campaign with the sisters, practically I only had to wake up the dwarf tree and the two new trees in the east, I do the update, I load the file and after 5 minutes I have a crash and it gets corrupted 😂, it's time to start with another race ..
Lmao with there hit points less then 25% and get a great buff that doesn't help much when they are almost dead lol..Sisters and Orion is the best campaign definitely not Dryca,Orion gets free up keep when you wage TOTAL WAR..... hard to beat free up keep
@UCDrQIg0VznNVzgw9kg3zX5A well then you are pretty much fucked because it takes somewhere between 8 and 36 turns to build it up to that point. by that point all those minor wood elves factions are destroyed. also the oak only gives those missions to torgovann, wydrioth, arwylon, and the heralds of ariel. not to the other small wood elves factions now don't get me wrong it is doable. but italianspartacus made it sound like it's something that you can do fast and easy which is just wrong
Orion is still the worst. Worst bonuses and mechanics. For being the King of the Wild Hunt, its really disappointing. I feel what CA could for for Orion is give him a Blood Voyage Mechanic similar to Hellebron. Once he maxes it out. He can summon The Wild Hunt and target an specific settlement. Destroying granting major bonuses on Athel Loren and to the strongest units the Wood Elves can recruit. Making it worth to get many successful Wild Hunts. To make it even more interesting, i would also add mechanic similar to Oxoyotl, where these Wild Hunts are not a Free Army, you have around 15-20 turns to reach your objective. And in some cases you will need to trespass territory, fight armies blocking your path and overall cause a lot of trouble in the area where Wild Hunt has been called. To make up for the constant fighting you will have, the Wild Hunt Army gets a huge bonus to replenishment on victories that stacks the more wins you get. So its kinda like Taurox, but you cannot abuse it forever, if you don't Sack/Raze the target settlement you will get some insane debuffs. At first it might be fine, but keep failing Wild Hunts and the Oak of Ages will downgrade, Chaos Corruption will start spreading in Athel Loren and even Beastmen Herds will start popping up near all the Forest Regions. To make it even more interesting i would add the option to gain Confederation if you have many successful Wild Hunts as you earn the respect of fellow Wood Elves. Maybe CA could also add some Waagh Mechanics. While you spawn a Wild Hunt army, Orion's army (and only him, no one else) gains access to Wild Hunt abilities (imagine gaining Arrows of Kurnous for ALL Ranged Units for each battle won while the Wild Hunt is called) Now to make it actually travel the map and engage everyone, you cannot Teleport while the Wild Hunt is called. This is because since the objectives are far and cannot teleport. You will need Orion to protect the Wild Hunt army on reaching his objective.
I strongly disagree with putting Drycha at number one, for one specific reason: All of her campaign quests are currently bugged and several elements of it are either not working properly or don't seem to be in the game at all. If her quests are fixed it'll be a fun campaign, but right now it's just a mess.
I like the Heralds campaign mechanics, I dislike where they start and it's been a terrible first 100 turns all 4 times I've tried it. Drycha is pretty much the same thing, love the lord/army, hate the start. Everyone in the foest basically feels like the same campaign with a few different mechanics. Can't tell them apart(not even in TW2 with Mixu's unlocker).
