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Wood Stove Pollution and PM2.5 Particle Emissions TESTED ✓ 

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Should you be worried about wood stove / log burner air pollution? Many articles state that PM2.5 particle emissions are tripled indoors when using a wood stove. But is that the full story? No! In this video I talk about the tests that I carried out using an air quality monitor to find out what levels of air pollution are caused by lighting up a fire to keep warm!
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@SteveRichards27
@SteveRichards27 Год назад
Have you tried putting the detector in your neighbours bedroom Keith, assuming you have them. We have a wood burner a few doors away and the stench of burning wood is terrible upstairs. I now try and make sure the windows are closed before they light their fire, but the smell still gets in if the winds blowing our way : all the best - Steve
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Sounds like your neighbour is burning things they shouldn't be then
@SteveRichards27
@SteveRichards27 Год назад
@@RagnBoneBrown that’s not easy to determine, as they are rich but extremely antisocial. I might get a monitor and test it myself. However this is not my first experience of fumes from wood burners blowing into neighbouring upstairs windows. Especially from bungalows and it’s not nice
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Год назад
My tip being a pyromaniac. Always do a top down method of fire lighting. Large logs on the very bottom then a layer of slightly smaller logs, then kindling and then the lighting nest on top. Like a pyramid. The heat from the top makes the syn gasses come out from the wood underneath which are then ignited rather than loose the un-combusted gas out the chimney. You'll have a much more efficient burn that way. cheers J
@wicky525
@wicky525 Год назад
I find doing that way to result in large amounts of " charcoal" being made as mine is a wood burner only and has no grate and the charcoal gets buried under ash that means an incomplete burn
@pictlandpickers1171
@pictlandpickers1171 Год назад
Stupid method if you actually want to get warm.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Год назад
@@pictlandpickers1171 it burns the most efficient way that a fire can burn. It is a slower burn and doesn't require as much fuel. If your house is poorly insulated then I can see why you wouldn't like that method.
@pictlandpickers1171
@pictlandpickers1171 Год назад
@@joshuadelisle so you let the fire go out so you can start the process again? My stove is not like this one so wouldn't work. It certainly wouldn't give off heat which if you are only using a stove for heat not decoration it defeats the point. When I come home and want some heat I want a roaring fire the slow it down with bigger logs. I don't use the central heating.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Год назад
@@pictlandpickers1171 my stove has fire bricks so you only need one burn and the heat radiates out all night with embers for the morning. To constantly feed the fire is work...
@sabysexy
@sabysexy Год назад
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@ShieTar_
@ShieTar_ Год назад
Well, just to add a comparison number to this: I have an air quality monitor in my living room, and over the summer, when windows are open, I regularly saw it spike up to around 100 µg/cm³. The reason for that always being my neighbours working their charcoal barbeque on their balcony next door to mine. So while your oven was giving you values that would be critical over extended periods of time, using a barbeque on a regular basis without masks will also do that.
@fatelon5656
@fatelon5656 Год назад
Neighbour has one, makes inside my house smell like a bonfire when they use it
@kimstockwell721
@kimstockwell721 Год назад
Mine too, horrendous smell, I swear people burn anything they can . That's the biggest issue, not burning the right wood.
@johncochrane2707
@johncochrane2707 Год назад
I think I'd be more worried about the long-term health effects of main road you live by than the log burner tbh. Enjoy the fire!
@Darrell_Coquillette
@Darrell_Coquillette Год назад
Whenever you open the door to put in wood, open a window just a little to let air into the room. If not, you can create a vacuum and pull smoke participles back into the room. I'm interested in a test to see if that changes your reading. Thank you for all the great content and I'll keep watching.
@tallianb
@tallianb Год назад
Great video! I'd be really interested in seeing what your sensor picked up from having a couple of those horrible scented candles that people seem to be so keen on as a comparison 🤞
@MikeSnifferpippets
@MikeSnifferpippets Год назад
Yeah my mother loves those things they smell awful after ten minutes and contain god knows what
@jonny7491
@jonny7491 Год назад
I watched another video about these wood burners, having exactly the same monitor and had a joss stick lit and it went up to 80.
@glennwhitlock1272
@glennwhitlock1272 Год назад
I have yet to meet a single person who uses the correct type of wood in a wood burner. Old furniture, painted wood, skirting, of fence panels, treated timber etc.
@kimstockwell721
@kimstockwell721 Год назад
Same here, know for sure around here people are not burning the right wood.
@kevintodd6150
@kevintodd6150 Год назад
Hi Keith, My brother-in-law fitted a wood burner in the living room of his timber framed bungalow. Unfortunately, it produced so much heat that it cracked the external render! I think that the main advantage of a wood burner is the aesthetics, i.e. the visual appearance! My own personal opinion is that when I arrive home, I want an immediate and convenient heat source i.e., a gas/electric fire. I couldn't be bothered to faff on loading wood etc and waiting for the stove to heat up! Also, the fumes would be a major concern not only for humans (especially babies/children etc), but also for pets. I think anyone who fits a wood burner is turning the clock back 70 odd years to the 1950's when open fires were commonplace! Having said that, I accept that everyone has different views, and of course, as you say, being a wood worker, your fuel is free! Another great vid!
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Hi Kevin, as the air quality readings show, pm2.5 particles are not an issue. I would expect with an open fire the readings would be much higher. Thanks, Keith
@davidborrow3435
@davidborrow3435 Месяц назад
Why so much concern over log burners? Cars , buses, lorries, trains , planes, and so much more out there that pollutants are not addressed and so much worse and, more importantly, there is no ban on these.....strange isn't it!
@Lastman737
@Lastman737 Год назад
Don't freeze to death trying to keep sea levels from moving a few inches 40 years from now.
@IntoTheWhite04
@IntoTheWhite04 Год назад
Yeah, screw the kids and the future generations .
@stephenjose1472
@stephenjose1472 Год назад
When opening a stove to re fuel open the door 1/2 inch and wait a few seconds for the velocity to climb and clear the stove then open the door slowly not to drag smoke into the room , the stove will smell and produce smoke ( enough to set a smoke detectors off ) when you first commision it , ventilate first few fires .
@WoodFiresWithVince
@WoodFiresWithVince Год назад
This is really interesting, something I have wanted to look at for a few years. Please could you try the PM2.5 sensor with other normal household actions - e.g. candles, burnt toast, cooking bacon, hoovering carpet, incense stick. My feeling is that many normal actions cause an increase in PM2.5 particles, and having a well-fitted woodstove needs to be seen in context. I have been living with woodfires for 51 years now and believe in them, so would really appreciate a balanced view. Thanks for the good clear video. Vince
@SteveMetcalfeUK
@SteveMetcalfeUK Год назад
I've had one for ages, and the things in the house that cause the biggest increase are burning things on the stove and frying things. Also, seasoning cast iron pans seems to cause it to go through the roof.
@MM-tx3rt
@MM-tx3rt Год назад
Hi Keith, I used to work in a stove shop (admin not installer!), just a couple of pointers/thoughts The skirting and door frame are wood, looks a bit close and breach of regs? The closeness to the curtains makes me a bit uneasy too! Storing wood outside is OK bu not ideal. Also kiln dried joinery wood gets wetter outside. Wood stored outside is not ideal to burn, it's still generally kind of wet. Wet wood = more deposits in chimney = more chance of fire. Kiln dried is optimal for efficiency and 'clean" burning. In all honesty I wouldn't burn anything else than kiln dried, but that's my preference. Don't burn any painted, ply, treated wood, mdf etc, recipe for a chimney fire due to deposits in the flue. The high particle reading I would suspect is from curing the paint, this is normal. When building the fire it's best to put more in than less, the more wood the slower and longer the burn. Warm chimneys are better for drawing smoke, as are longer ones. You are at a disadvantage in a bungalow unfortunately. Make sure to get it swept yearly to keep it as efficient as possible and reduce the chance of chimney fire. I don't mean to sound dramatic but I had all the above drilled into me. Stoves are fab but need to be treated with care which I know you will. Happy stoving!!
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Hi, I'm not aware of the rules, sorry. I think our installer said a distance of 300mm from the curtains, which is ok. In the longer term though we're looking to replace the curtains with shutters anyway. Not sure re: architrave/skirtings though but not something I'm worried about - they installed and signed off so I'm trusting them. Cheers, Keith
@rainekenny4916
@rainekenny4916 Год назад
A stove so close to flowing curtains would be more of a worry to me!
@scottbramley1778
@scottbramley1778 Год назад
If I would recommend anything it would be to put something on the wall behind the stove. Some reflective material, backed metal or tiles. Have you checked the temperature of the wall/wood/curtain behind the stove when it's lit yet? I also agree with others about the stove fan.
@d17mop
@d17mop Год назад
Bet it’s red hot
@fostexfan160
@fostexfan160 Год назад
Some people are going to get a shock after the expensive purchase and installation costs. The shock is actually buying the wood. Its very expensive. I've done a quick calculation and the cost of gas to heat the home is cheaper than a cubic meter of wood. So along with the installation costs some unfortunate people are in for a shock
@kimstockwell721
@kimstockwell721 Год назад
That's why they are burning any old bits of wood.
@pdoubleyou7801
@pdoubleyou7801 Год назад
Very interesting, and a little spooky. I had an identical stove installed recently in my bungalow. IIRC stove was £475 + vat. Flue was £950+vat and fitting was £720+vat £48 for Carbon monoxide alarm Data plate and Certificate. I had several quotes with wildly different prices before I got the above. One guy quoted £1900 for flue parts, another £1500 for fitting. It seems the energy crisis is bringing out the best in people!
@fostexfan160
@fostexfan160 Год назад
Indeed......nothing like human greed
@SoB_626
@SoB_626 Год назад
In winter time when I open the window to get some fresh air, I get fresh wood smoke from my neighbor.
@bosse641
@bosse641 Год назад
LOVE wood stoves. 🥰 And everything that comes with it, felling, cutting, splitting, stacking, getting a fire going, and maintaining it. The lovely warmth and ambience it gives me. It is just lovely.
@mikeyboyrich777
@mikeyboyrich777 10 дней назад
But it’s 2024, not 1924.. 🥵🤮☠️
@priscillaroberts7945
@priscillaroberts7945 Год назад
I find open fires especially in pubs with constant comings and goings make me cough fit to burst and my eyes sting. Woodburners the same. There's a road where i live that constantly smells of bonfires in the colder weather that has the same effect on me and i suspect some of the houses have wood burners . I grew up with open fires and my mother and husband smoked. We considered a wood burner years ago they do look lovely but not for me now, glad we didn't do it. And i have to say i've seen some filthy stuff coming out of house chimneys recently.
@kimstockwell721
@kimstockwell721 Год назад
Me too.
@mullagh670
@mullagh670 5 месяцев назад
My cousin had to block the vent's at the back of his house because a neighbour's burner would smoke when starting his fire. £2500 would buy a year's supply of oil, and hot water.
@Simontherunner
@Simontherunner Год назад
If your stove allows it, consider fitting an external air intake pipe. The burner should then pull in cold air from outside instead of drawing in ready warmed air from the room to send back up the flue that you've just paid to heat up! It also helps with the draw up the flue if your house is newer/more airtight.
@ColinMill1
@ColinMill1 Год назад
Yes, I thought this was a requirement. We had such a pipe installed even back in the late 90s. If I recall right the requirement depended on the size of the stove back then.
@DeanJuvenal
@DeanJuvenal Год назад
@@ColinMill1 < 5kw and an external air feed is not required. That’s why “5kw” stoves are actually 4.9 or lower.
@ColinMill1
@ColinMill1 Год назад
@@DeanJuvenal Thank. So that sounds like the regs in that respect have remained the same. Our stove is, if I recall right rated at 6 kW. Being an old place with solid stone walls it's basically impossible to heat anyway but the fire looks good and it gives me an excuse to keep planting more trees 🙂
@DeanJuvenal
@DeanJuvenal Год назад
@@ColinMill1 😀. Being the type of construction you describe, do you have to start heating up your house sized storage heater in the late summer so that it’s up to temp by early winter? Then ceases big burns so that the walls cool down enough so the house isn’t overheated in the spring and summer. I have a friend who lived in part of a Manor House constructed in around 1600 ACE. He adopted that type of practice. 👍🏻😀
@ColinMill1
@ColinMill1 Год назад
@@DeanJuvenal Yes, our place is rumoured to date from about then. From the size of the ground-floor openings it would seem the cattle were a significant contributor to its early heating. As a tropical kid who's first introduction to the UK climate was the winter of 1962/3 spent in a Tudor house with but one small fire-place, I have developed a considerable tolerance for cold (it's 11.5 degrees in here at the moment) and a love of old houses. 🙂
@jordanwhite2239
@jordanwhite2239 Год назад
Great video thank you for sharing! Do you continue to monitor PM2.5? I’m very interested to hear what range of concentrations you have observed
@redbank542
@redbank542 Год назад
We are on our second burner in 25 years. We don’t burn timber off cuts as they burn way too fast. I get well seasoned wood locally from the bush (live in Australia) or from a reputable supplier. Our Fire stays in all night and like a previous comment, I use a burn down method as it warms the chimney quicker
@wicky525
@wicky525 Год назад
I've had an Ecosy Hampton 5 Inset log burner fitted at beginning of Oct '22 and absolutely love it. It's in a regular 2 up 2 down terraced house ( mid 80s construction with cavity wall infill ) and after about 3 hours use it's raised the temp upstairs by about 2-3 degrees and the lounge it's sited in by 5 degrees even on a slow burn
@RichardChambers
@RichardChambers Год назад
What about the extra pollution outside?
@ProperDIY
@ProperDIY Год назад
And if you want to split logs safely to fit into your wood burning stove, I know a cool DIY tool that helps do it without the risk of chopping your hand off! Just thought I'd throw that in!
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Haha. When I saw what you came up with, I kicked myself - my version was so overengineered. The notches in a 4x4 with aluminium L section was a stroke of genius!! I don't suppose you made a second one you want to sell did you?? :-)
@alexaskew70
@alexaskew70 Год назад
I have a long-handled axe and a swedish log splitter. Prefer the axe.
@Swimmingforlife.
@Swimmingforlife. Год назад
Great video, sadly wood has really went up in price also! Crates of logs are now very costly also. I have solid fuel central heating, I only burn anthracite which the government says is okay, it has also jumped in price, it’s went from £18 for an open sack to £30, so it doesn’t really matter how you heat your home now, IT IS VERY COSTLY. Kind regards Johnny
@qewfsdsd65445
@qewfsdsd65445 6 месяцев назад
It's much more costly in terms of the damage it does for peoples' health.
@michaelwillson6847
@michaelwillson6847 Год назад
Hey Keith we fitted a multi fuel whole heat system in our 3 bed semi about 8 years ago. We took out the old open fire I was skeptical but honestly best move we ever made. Runs the whole house heat and hot water and like u I've always got off cuts and I cut and dry all my own firewood so really it's just smokeless coal we burn little bit that to get fire going. Ours was 8k all in for big stove all radiator system towel rail removal old fire all the plumbing and electric work and really we only use a tiny bit of electricity to power the pump that sends it round the radiators and I see allot of people are putting them in now. 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Great solution!
@marcosduarte4694
@marcosduarte4694 Год назад
Dear Friend, i Love this! Regards from Rio De Janeiro, where only few áreas needs warm de ambient. Neighborwoods a nove 800 meters from sea level, besides the citiescin the mountains 60 km from Rio such is Petrópolis, Teresópolis and Friburg. Greatings from your friend. 🤜🤛 I try to watch each video you post.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Thank you!
@RobertWiltshire
@RobertWiltshire Год назад
Curious about the distance to combustible material. The curtains and door frame. We are having one installed and the guy said 18 inches from the stove to any combustible is the requirement. Yours look closer than that. Also, he said we can't have plasterboard on on our chimney breast either side for that reason so need to use cement board. Our burner will fit inside an old fireplace but will stick out an inch or two so the side distances come into play.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Hi Robert, I'm not aware of the rules, sorry. I think our installer said a distance of 300mm from the curtains, which is fine. In the longer term though we're looking to replace the curtains with shutters anyway. Not sure re: architrave/skirtings though but not something I'm worried about - they installed and signed off so I'm trusting them. Cheers, Keith
@d17mop
@d17mop Год назад
@@RagnBoneBrown if it wasn’t on a store stand the skirting’s would have to go.
@richardlphillips
@richardlphillips Год назад
With so many burning wood this winter, the smell of burnt wood in the air is commonplace and as an asthmatic running outside is off the menu. Interested to see what these readings would be in a high population neighborhood outside 🤔
@kimstockwell721
@kimstockwell721 Год назад
Have to agree, the outside air in winter has gotten awful where I live. All you can smell is burning wood like a million bonfires.
@richardlphillips
@richardlphillips Год назад
@@kimstockwell721 Yeah it's not great, thankfully with spring in the air I don't notice it so much now but can't be doing anyone any good.
@catsmad48
@catsmad48 10 дней назад
Get a life seriously😢😢
@richardlphillips
@richardlphillips 10 дней назад
@@catsmad48 Yeah get myself a RU-vid channel about hotel cats or something 🤣
@clarkfinlay78
@clarkfinlay78 Год назад
nice stove Keith I'd recommend an ecofan that uses the heat of the stove to generate power to spin the fan it helps circulate the heat through the room. I also use an hepa air purifier mostly for pollen in the spring/summer but it helps with the particles in the air
@geoffreycoan
@geoffreycoan Год назад
We have one of those ecofans, it has a piezoelectric panel on the bottom which generates a small current to drive the fan when the plate gets hot from sitting on the stove. Really helps with the convection flows that heat the room up. They're about £20-30 on eBay
@richardoverthrow1358
@richardoverthrow1358 Год назад
Second the fan, we've got one and it distributes though more than one room, with zero running costs.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Thanks for the tip! We will get one
@DeanJuvenal
@DeanJuvenal Год назад
Where do you place your air purifier unit, plz?
@tazmaniandevil1503
@tazmaniandevil1503 Год назад
We have had our Contura stove a little under 4 years. It was installed by an approved installer and is fully HETAS certified. Our first few burns actually set the smoke alarm off unless the windows were open. Now it is nicely burned in we have no issues. Our installer did warn us this might happen because of the proximity of the smoke detector, so we were not awfully worried. Our sweep cleans the flue & sticks a camera up at the end of each burn season, and the soot removed is minimal. The beauty of the stove for us is our house was built in 1950 and originally had a coal fire. The chimney is in the centre of the house, and our installer filled the gap between the original fire-clay flue and the new stainless liner with a non-absorbent vermiculite alternative. The stove heats the rest of the house residually, cutting down on the amount of gas used. Even after the gas prices rocketing, our heating is costing less to run than before the stove was installed.
@theswime945
@theswime945 Год назад
Nice one, thanks. Hate to be a bore but feel it's worth pointing out that there is Air Quality Legislation to regulate what sort of wood you can/can't burn residentially. Cheers.
@kasroa
@kasroa Год назад
We live on a smoke control zone so we have a defra approved tiger inset and only burn manufactured logs. I definitely noticed more of an odour the first few times we used it but now I feel like it doesn't create much of a smell in the room. Thankfully there seems to be a good flow of air up the chimney and our stove being defra approved means you can't actually close off the top vent completely, which I believe increases the efficiency
@raptorone7327
@raptorone7327 Год назад
Thanks for the video, I’m just about to have one installed and I’m surprised how close it is to the wall. Our installers would not put it that close. 🤷‍♂️
@simonh73
@simonh73 Год назад
I'm surprised the installer put it close to combustible materials (the curtains). I had an installer concerned that the walls around the fireplace (not in the solid brick fireplace) were wallpapered!
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
It's over 300mm distance so he wasn't worried about them
@Tailspin80
@Tailspin80 Год назад
Occasionally if you open the door with very hot logs burning with air inlets closed they can spit / explode, sending hot embers out into the room. It’s rare and only happens under certain conditions, but something you need to be aware of if you have an expensive rug or carpet within range. I think it’s the rush of fresh air into a fuel-rich fire that triggers the problem.
@GeeWhizRS
@GeeWhizRS Год назад
You have air coming into the stove via the vents and air coming out of the stove only via the flue. You will get particulate matter in your room only if you a) have a leak b) open the door when the temperature inside is too low or c) have a poor draw or a flue restriction. I reckon you’ve sorted it by now but that thermometer is your friend. Mine lives on the flue and I know that if the temp drops below the green zone any new wood will be slow and possibly smokey to get going. As yours is on the side, you’d need to find at what point on that scale to try and keep above. Further to the comments on top down idea (kindling on top)… you'd only really want to use that method if you were in very cold conditions to warm the flue first; or if you had a poor draw. I stack the kindling around a fire lighter with the larger logs on top. I don't allow the kindling to start first, I load the logs on top and then light it. The trick is to use kindling pieces that are thicker at the front of the stove so that when they collapse the thicker ones at the front are the last to go. That way, any material on top will slump backwards and not against the door. Enjoy your stove mate. P.s. not convinced the architrave is a suitable distance away from it though. 🤔
@paulwestlake4278
@paulwestlake4278 Год назад
Some good advice there Keith, we have had ours for 20 years with no issues, sweep the chimney every year, use DRY logs, they need to be under 20%, and leave the door ajar to start the fire for a couple of minutes to help warm the flue.
@Hand-i-Craft
@Hand-i-Craft Год назад
Interesting to watch this Keith. We only rent our house but have been here ten years and the landlord has let us put our own stamp on it. About 4 years ago I knocked through the plasterboard covering up the old fireplace, got in a tradesman who re-established an open fire. Best thing we ever done, it’s a totally different type of warmth and it’s kind of hypnotic just watching it. I will be checking the air quality in the lounge though as I expect an open fire to have a higher 2.5 rating than a wood burning stove. Also putting your Mirka day into practice 😀😀👍👍
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Cheers Leo. Open fire sounds lovely. I'm sure you're right, higher reading probably, but most the bad stuff should be going up the chimney 👍interested to hear the readings you get
@JohnColgan.
@JohnColgan. Год назад
@@RagnBoneBrown hi Keith, is the "T E L E G R A M" reply on my previous message genuinely you or a scam?
@jasher2847
@jasher2847 Год назад
@@JohnColgan. It's a scam so that they can get you off RU-vid and into private messages so you can send someone cash for "shipping" your "free prize" or "gift" to you. There is no giveaway, there is no prize, and that reply was not even posted by this channel. A legit message from Keith (or any other YT channel) will look like the one you just replied to above, with highlighted channel name and a checkmark beside it. If you see this kind of message, report it as spam so it gets removed and move on. It's happening to all the good channels anymore, and RU-vid doesn't do jack about it.
@thewinenut9800
@thewinenut9800 Год назад
@@JohnColgan. scam, definitely.
@SamPrince
@SamPrince Год назад
Open fire will definitely be far higher and they're not even allowed in many parts of the UK
@GosforthHandyman
@GosforthHandyman Год назад
Great vid Keith! We've been testing this for a year or so and have some very interesting findings (vid coming soon). Any coating / oil on the stove will send emissions through the roof but that should stop after a few burns. Other than that PM2.5 readings have been negligible - we're in a 2 storey so I guess the chimney being higher could result in a better draw? Not sure 🤔. Lots of factors. Keep measuring and we'll have to compare results after the winter! 👍😎
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Cheers Andy look forward to seeing your results! Since filming this video the pm2.5 readings have dropped even further, sometimes it barely even changes the readings from when the stove is not in use 👍
@GurungyNoHamuster
@GurungyNoHamuster Год назад
Yes, our wood stove has been in for years. I tested today and the PM 2.5 meter shows 30 while lighting and settles down to 10.
@paulbanks8583
@paulbanks8583 Год назад
I agree with what you have said Keith about the burn in period the only thing I would add is I would also open the window to do a rapid air change during the first few burns to clear the air. I have a wood burner which means the lounge is lovely and warm but the rest of the house has electric storage heaters so turning them on is a scary pass time for the pocket. A couple of things make sure you have a Carbon Monoxide alarm in the room and it works. Also I brought one of those fans you place on top to help push the heat about and this really helps.
@rpaasse6453
@rpaasse6453 Год назад
Carbon Monoxide alarm Very important indeed!! Good advice. Saves lives.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Cheers Paul, the installer had installed the alarm, forgot to mention it in the video. I will look in to stove fan options! Thanks
@ColinMill1
@ColinMill1 Год назад
@@rpaasse6453 interestingly the only time in over 20 years our CO alarm has gone off was when there was a fire up on the moor. It was not pleasant inside but outside was much worse.
@p_mouse8676
@p_mouse8676 Год назад
btw, these high readings aren't bad for a few times. They are only bad when being exposed to over and over again.
@TheWebstaff
@TheWebstaff Год назад
It doesn't conflict really. You just have to leave the room or open a window for the first half dozen burns.
@AndreaArzensek
@AndreaArzensek Год назад
Woodstove is a blessing in a home. I heat my apartment with AC and it is crap. It is never warm as with wood stove and it keeps air humid which in turn makes space feel more cold and also I have mildew problems so I have to vent quite often making heating very expensive. I have wood stove in my workshop and it is an absolute delight having it there. I find that it is warmer in my drafty old (400 years!) woodworking shop than my well insulated home. Like yourself, I use scraps in the workshop to heat it so it is basically free.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Thanks Andrea - I agree!
@saskiamarchant2137
@saskiamarchant2137 Год назад
It's very close to your wall and curtains! Our installer has insisted on a meter between the log burner and any thing else in the room!
@keithnewton8981
@keithnewton8981 Год назад
I think we were very lucky we chose a British manufacturer cast iron multi fuel stove the people who fitted the stove built use a chimney breast and made the harth themselves and they do all the fitting . I would totally recommend you find a fitter who employs all his own workers and does not contract out. They did the first and second firing for use the first fire there was a slight hot paint smell but there where no others fumes. . Our house already has air bricks fitted so there was no neec for additional airflow. The firm we used did the survey and completed all the building regulations application for us I they where fantastic, if you live south Cheshire or North Staffordshire I highly recommend Newfield Fireplaces. They are a family business and very helpful. Once fitted the came back 3weeks later to check there work make sure everything had settled this was April the in October the phone and ask if everything was going OK asked if he could come and check all the seals before heavy winter use . They been great Stove get very warm we leave our doors open and the travel into the hall and up the stairs our living room 6mx6m and it hot 🔥 with minutes . We use to gave a gas fire but it not warmed the room. This warms the house. We use a small blow touch to warm our flue up and it make a huge difference in the draw. Without doing this we get some draw back. But since using the touch (it the type cooks use to burn sugar) fantastic results the flue get that quick warming and the draw is instant when the men installed it and did the first few burns they had all windows and french doors open
@YesiPleb
@YesiPleb Год назад
Many thanks for linking to the air quality monitor. We're about to move into a bungalow that has an open fire and I'm really keen to get a reading on it when we get it up and running, hope to move in around January or February. It has a detatched garage so will be setting that up as my workshop.
@JonahX-ui9tf
@JonahX-ui9tf Год назад
Ours was the same, fitted 2 years ago it was £3300 but our fire was £1k we too have a twin wall flue in a two story house. The first I would say 6 or 7 burns created smell and smoke from the paint curing, like a oil smell, it set of our fire alarm every time we used it during those first 6 burns, once it’s been used in anger and everything is cured it was absolutely fine, again heats up well, occasional smoke in the room when first lighting but that is usually the kindling some of it is a bit crap. We use kiln dried ash as the main fuel, I do make kindling myself from those logs and they never smell or smoke, just don’t always have the time to get the axe out so I buy in kindling as well. But brilliant piece of kit, very efficient and very warm house as a result.
@fxbootstraps
@fxbootstraps Год назад
yes, some of the wood used contains scrap wood, that has been pressure treated or plastic coated. The oil used in milling the wood contains a very large amount of benzine.
@fiveminuteman
@fiveminuteman Год назад
Try the meter in your kitchen when your cooking. My pm 2.5 meter went higher in the kitchen than in the lounge with our woodburner on.
@paulmaryon9088
@paulmaryon9088 Год назад
Another excellent video, thank you, I have only a wood burner for my heating,but thinking now of getting an air quality monitor, thanks for posting
@Buckleyswoodturning
@Buckleyswoodturning Год назад
We've had ours for a while now and love it. The first thing we did was buy a new turntable and dug out the Vinyls for a true throwback to the early 70's . I do get some looks from visitors to the home when they see my kindling bin full of segments and woodturning mistakes.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
haha! thank you
@Tailspin80
@Tailspin80 Год назад
When refuelling I set the flue choke vertical (fully open) to increase draw, then open the doors slowly to avoid creating turbulence. Providing the fire is burning well and you are careful not to disturb the flow, nothing will eddy back into the room. Having said that I’m ordering one of those meters to check!
@TNT580
@TNT580 Год назад
Great approach. We do same and never see smoke enter the room. We also don't keep the door open for refueling longer than 20-30 seconds.
@davidbrewer7844
@davidbrewer7844 3 месяца назад
Hi, The top down method is good ( see two comments down), but in my opinion the big mistake is going for such a budget stove. There is a reason these are less than half the price of the market leading Pure Vision range. On Pure vision stoves the thick stainless steel baffle automatically opens to stop minor smoke emissions on refueling, and even has an ignition setting that warms the flue quicker again to reduce the emissions. They also use a much more expensive low odour paint. Your fitters are right about getting heat into the flue quickly by the way.
@markc3884
@markc3884 Год назад
My sister lives in rural Durham; in the Winter, a particularly cold & windy place. It’s a good job she has a cast iron duel fuel stove cuz during Storm Arwen, she had no electric for a week. Without it, she’d have frozen.
@njuham
@njuham Год назад
In Finland there are probably a million wood-burning sauna stoves and statistically I don't think there are more health or respiration problems than in say Norfolk. On the contrary, going to a sauna regularly decreases heart diseases by 70%. So I wouldn't worry too much unless your flue/chimney is leaking.
@michaelm1053
@michaelm1053 Год назад
Little tip. When lighting a fire in a wood stove stack the tinder on top and large pieces on bottom
@andyprice5882
@andyprice5882 Год назад
We've had our wood burner for a few years now and we love it, I collect pallets and any other scrap wood over the summer and once cut up they lasts us all winter, the only outgoing costs are paying for the annual service (less than £100) and the price of a few boxes of fire lighters. We also have oil fired central heating which we mainly use for the hot water but since we had a new condensing boiler fitted two years ago we are only using one 900L tank every 14 - 15 months.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
thanks - I hope our usage will be low like that!
@SamPrince
@SamPrince Год назад
Wood should be dried for a long time to reduce smoke rather than burned immediately, but if you have neighbours within 100m or so it's better to burn as little as possible to avoid filling the air they are breathing with PM2.5. Even the level of around 25 in the video is above the WHO limit and there is no "safe" level - any increase is bad for you and 25 is the equivalent of moving from the countryside to a city centre.
@RichardChambers
@RichardChambers Год назад
Pallets are treated wood which gives off some nasty stuff when burnt. You need to use properly dry non treated wood and even then you are polluting the local air.
@qewfsdsd65445
@qewfsdsd65445 6 месяцев назад
Burning pallets is illegal and you are damaging the health of your family and neighbours to save a few pennies on your heating bill. The cost is far higher than using a modern heating system like gas or electric as you have one body in this life.
@grathlingillingham5135
@grathlingillingham5135 Год назад
Good video, there will be a smell each first burn if stove is left unused over summer as dust burns off. Dif used don't put fire lighters directly on the iron grate, it will corrode and distort them. Top down burn best to start. Buy from an established manufacturer, spares will be required long term. Don't over size fire, or you won't be able to run it at a temperature that will clean the glass.
@mfr58
@mfr58 Год назад
I have had a couple of woodstoves in different houses and could still smell something "off" from them even after curing time. So with the more recent one I had it shot blasted to remove all the paint and residues. This worked, but you obviously have to accept the varied patina of heated bare metal. I do find though, that with long evenings of stove use I end up with a dry, slightly irritated throat. I think these kind of stoves work best in older, leaky houses. Even though I provided a local external air supply to the stove, my draught free living space can feel a bit airless with it burning. My future plan is to have a masonry style burner that has low surface temperatures. This avoids over heating the air and dust particles being burned on the stove body and circulated by convection. They are more costly and complicated to install though.
@markrainford1219
@markrainford1219 Год назад
Interesting and the opposite to what I thought would happen. With huge volumes of air going up the flue and being replaced with external air drawn in, l expected the air to be cleaner.
@ymor1451
@ymor1451 Год назад
Great video. Very informative. I think it might be best to get a wood burner installed during the late spring or summer so the breaking in can be done with all the windows open. 😃
@johnzach2057
@johnzach2057 Год назад
Use a HEPA + carbon filter air purifier in the room. It will keep the levels to background levels.
@Umski
@Umski Год назад
Point about HETAS not strictly true - I self installed our (4.5kW) stove and then Building Control came round (for a "small" fee of £140 🙄) took a look and issued a certificate - I explained how it complied with Part J which they were clueless about 🙄 Total cost of stove and accessories was around £500 less the BC fee (fortunately the chimney and flue were good so no liner needed). We have a small woodland and plenty of prunings that we handsaw and air-season - totally self sustaining. I don't understand the premise of 'saving' money by newly installing a stove and then buying imported, kiln-dried logs to burn - unless as you do, you have 'spare' fuel it's seems completely mis-guided to me that folks think they are saving money somehow 🤔 I would also add that the next season when you've had the flue swept and you fire up the stove again for the new season, you'll get the same weird smells and everything burns off and settles again...
@bossman6174
@bossman6174 Год назад
We have a woodstove at the cottage and me wife is always complaining about the dry air wood stoves create.
@StuHNomadBiker
@StuHNomadBiker Год назад
I'm a Heating Engineer, self employed, quite surprised at that cost of install tbh !! You won't believe how hard it is to close a sale for a new combi boiler, a product that is full of technical parts and knowhow, not to mention all the pipework and gas that's part of the install, and a 10 year parts and labour warranty with the premium brands .. and customers still wince at a 2500 install price !!! And a simple, old fashioned log burner with an open flue is pulling the same money ... I think I'll do my HETAS ticket and start offering log burners 😁👍
@cmdrwhiskeygalore3044
@cmdrwhiskeygalore3044 Год назад
I bought a house with an old fireplace. 80% of the heat went straight up and out of the chimney. Only 20% went into heating the house. When I replaced it with a wood burner stove 20% of the heat was lost. I live in an area of the UK that has a lot of storms. I get power failures all the time. When it's -10 outside and there is a power cut my wood burner is a lifeline. However, saying that, I also installed underfloor heating and I mainly use that. It is rare when I use the wood burner. With the milder winters we are experiencing I only used my wood burner 20 times last Winter. This year has seen an even milder winter. Also I cook on my stove as well. I also heat water on it for washing dishes by hand or cleaning surfaces. It is also used on Christmas day simply because it's nice to have a real wood fire. So far this Winter I have used my stove 3 times and it is already the 26th of November. If the temperature keeps rising I could see it not getting used at all. I would estimate that more pollution is generated from people burning garden cuttings in Autumn or 5th of November bonfires and fireworks. As I do neither I am certain I produce less pollution than most. I also work from home which means less car exhaust pollution.
@earlyriser8998
@earlyriser8998 Год назад
wood stoves have to be 'cured' to remove all the manufacturing oils and paint finishes. I have even seen stoves being burned outside, before installation, to make sure the stove is 'clean' when brought indoors. Love your set up but would consider something on the walls behind the stove. Consider one of the fans on top to distribute air better. Finally, you are right that it is like a vinyl record not streaming...and I love it.
@TomBuskey
@TomBuskey Год назад
I have a meter in my basement shop & have never had it above 50. If I get above 10, I turn on a box fan with a hepa filter & it gets back down to the normal 0
@edwardcostain5445
@edwardcostain5445 Год назад
We've got a Dyson air purifier and keep it on auto mode. It barely does anything when our woodburner is on. Made sauteed potatoes the other day and it went crazy. It supposedly filters down to PM0.1 as well
@grolfe3210
@grolfe3210 Год назад
Interesting readings and it is not an area I had even considered before. Having had a wood burner for the past 30+ years, I have only looked at making sure smoke or smell did not enter the room. When lighting I get it going and then do not open it until it is well established. Then, I never fling the door open quickly, just a crack and then slowly. I am puzzled as to how there is any rise in the reading within the room. The air is moving from the room into the fire, there is none coming from the fire into the room. All I can think of is anything when opening door or dirt/dust burning on the outside of the stove. I was rather troubled by your curtains being rather near to the stove! I guess it has all been done to regs. I had a fire in an open hearth like that in my last house and the wall behind got too hot to touch.
@81bozzaboy
@81bozzaboy Год назад
Just had mines installed today and I was quite worried by the smell coming off it until I read about the first few burns
@tkaald
@tkaald Год назад
Interesting information. We have one existing wood burning stove and ate just about to fit a second one in the kitchen area. I have a particle meter so will start measuring and see if we get similar alarming readings.
@johnfindlay4360
@johnfindlay4360 Год назад
Hetas only required in England and Wales - legal to fit your own in Scotland still recommend a sign off even so
@FrankWoodPhotography
@FrankWoodPhotography Год назад
That is really interesting. Well done for putting this together!
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Thanks
@davecarr6718
@davecarr6718 Год назад
Very interesting, it would also be useful to see if an internal chimney fan makes a difference
@darrenpaulgreen
@darrenpaulgreen Год назад
Hi Keith, I agree with the points you raised here. I can confirm that most of the pollutants/smell are from the curing process of the paint. I know this as we were unlucky enough to have a chimney fire a couple of years ago and after the fire brigade put water down the chimney to put out the fire, I needed to repaint the stove that rusted. This resulted in the same smell as on first burns, so like you we opened windows for these burns and stayed out of the room (IMO these burns only have to be short so no cause for concern). So just a word of caution on having your chimney swept, you need to do it at least once a year, we had,only gone 13 months when we had the chimney fire that was a scary experience. This will also be a little known clause on your insurance. Well maintained we absolutely love ours. We’ve had it for 10 years and wouldn’t be without it.
@TNT580
@TNT580 Год назад
Darren - With the flue only so old curious to know what you think caused the fire? Was it an old chimney flue or did you have the chimney relined with metal tubing?
@johnwkomdat
@johnwkomdat Год назад
We had a major dust collection clog at work recently. A coworker set my PM2.5 monitor on the infeed table of the planer/drum sander and it reached 850!
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Ouch!
@ryanh3285
@ryanh3285 Год назад
I seen a thing that said one small wood burner is worse than 18 small diesel cars for the environment.
@neilt7145
@neilt7145 11 месяцев назад
I have the Hampton 5. Cost approx £600 with delivery and £1000 to have it installed / commissioned. For such a small stove, the room gets extremely toasty. Burn Pine on it that has a moisture level of about 10% and it keeps the downstairs toasty and the upstairs "keeping the living room door open" at about 21 - 22 c. get wood free from work so winner winner.
@stevesteves8915
@stevesteves8915 Год назад
Very informative, thank you. We live in a small all electric 200+yr old stone in-fill/cob house in the south west. Oil or gas central heating isn't an option for us. We have a storage heater, small electric heaters and a stove. Last year we did without the stove and froze. This year we are not using the storage and other heaters and relying on the wood stove. We use wood from a 'wood sure' supplier (
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
That would be the dream!
@TheDoosh79
@TheDoosh79 Год назад
My Mum's has the flue inside the existing chimney breast which obviously affects how quickly the flue warms up, quite often it will take ages to get a fire going because the cold damp air just won't let the flue warm up enough to create the draw for the fire to burn clean. I bet the readings on those days are horrendous.
@bigbunnyprojects10
@bigbunnyprojects10 Год назад
Had a wood stove in my last home. Part way through a full solo renovation of my new home and have a wood stove (multi fuel) on the list of things to install. Everything about them is just magic, and after the collecting, chopping of wood and making the fire, you get to enjoy it. Glass of wine and Floyd on the turntable. Like you say if they are new, they do need to be burned in. Think of it like seasoning your wok, it’s a process.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Sounds great!
@robertwilliamson3852
@robertwilliamson3852 Год назад
Installed a stovak multifuel burner years ago delighted with it Noticed your burner is Installed close to your walls obviously to regs but are they non combustible ? Also the wood your burning looked like it wasn't seasoned If you burn construction timber it can burn too hot and damage the inner flue Good informative vid tho 👍
@anthonylamb09
@anthonylamb09 Год назад
Very good, thank you for that. For me, even with central heating, I have a window open slightly, to allow ventilation and if we decide to install a wood burner, I/we will do the same, have a small window open in the room, allowing air to circulate and remove the bad air. Has anyone done the same, I’d like to hear your views.
@avroncotton
@avroncotton Год назад
Just a bit of advice. We had a wire mesh put around the top of the flue (like the chicken wire you used recently) as during spring in to summer birds looking for nesting areas get caught down the flue and the only way out is through the house. Had heaps ofstarlings until we put the mesh up.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
thanks, does that mean our "bird guard cowl" isn't necessarily effective?
@andygardiner6526
@andygardiner6526 Год назад
@@RagnBoneBrown your bird cowl is fine.
@avroncotton
@avroncotton Год назад
@@RagnBoneBrown I guess the proof will be in the pudding. At least you know what to do if you get a bird down the flue. I had to get a tradesman in to do mine as I don't like hieghts.
@gdfggggg
@gdfggggg Год назад
You could argue your stove will be drawing air from outside (if it’s not got an air inlet connected), through your windows or air vents in the walls so your air quality may be even better? I installed my own stove and will get building control to sign it off. It was not a difficult process if you’re the practical type. It’s a 9kw Saltfire Peanut 8. Your stove looks great and seems to be working well.
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Thanks. I don't have an external cold air feed, but we have a PIV (positive input ventilation) system in our loft due to past problems with mold, and also trickle vents in every window so I think it's able to draw from those quite effectively
@ajantis007
@ajantis007 8 месяцев назад
Good Information, If I buy one, I'll burn some fires in it outside before install.
@jamesmartin5277
@jamesmartin5277 Год назад
Interesting video thank you. Like yourself we recently moved to an oil burner property in deepest Cambridgeshire and have inherited two wood burning stoves! Thanks also for the air monitor link... I just purchased one. Hopefully its an affiliate link from your channel.
@RichardNutman
@RichardNutman 8 месяцев назад
When the door is shut my Mila air filter detects no particulates, but as soon as the door is open it does. I try to keep the door opening at short as possible, and rely on the Mila to suck out the particulates from the air :) I get higher readings frying bacon, or pancakes though.
@runningpanda6570
@runningpanda6570 Год назад
Hi, very good video and I really like your new burner...Please don't think I'm asking a silly question as you've had it professionally installed and that means all will be well! When I installed mine, myself I had to have a fire board installed all the way up to the ceiling and all around the back of the stove...I can understand not having a fire board protection around the wall behind twin insulated pipe as it progresses up the wall but...not to have the fire board around the wood burner itself does seem odd unless they have moved on with new types of woodburner?...I did my own install over 10 yrs ago and was extremely thorough with the install and had HETA check the whole install once completed and signed off. Costing for our essential utilities has become impossible and even though Electricity has become over 3 x more expensive than Gas trying to keep homes warm racks up just as much per month as using the electric...I'm now in the process of installing new Solar panels which are designed for the poor UK weather...Batteries are a bit expensive at around £4000 so it will take a bit of time to get our money back:) Please let me know about the fireboard question as it's would be very interesting to know the answer:)
@strathvaccentralvacuumsyst8415
Just to correct you on 2 points. A wood burning stove has to be installed by a 'registered engineer' in England and Wales only. NOT Scotland. There are 8 companies in the UK that can register you as an engineer, HETAS being one of them and the most recognised.
@dani.mendez
@dani.mendez Год назад
Thank you for the detailed information. i was not aware of it...
@JohnColgan.
@JohnColgan. Год назад
Good video I'm surprised they don't heat cure these at the factory! You can get a heat crystal fan to circulate hot air around the room better. No batteries required, generates electric from heat differential, have you Ever thought of putting a small wood burner or rocket stove in the workshop? Make it nice it there in winter!
@RagnBoneBrown
@RagnBoneBrown Год назад
Cheers John. We will get one of those for sure. I don't think I could spare the space in my workshop although it would be amazing! Also I don't think I could justify the cost right now, there is so much work to be done on the bungalow!
@urbansoundscapes7734
@urbansoundscapes7734 Год назад
Interesting video as this was also a concern for us having read the recent negative reports. We have an old but recently serviced Morso wood stove, new door seals etc., heating a large open plan area and have never seen the air quality PM2.5 meter go above 4ug/m3. When it is off our reading is 0 to 2ug/m3 - we're in rural Scotland. I think the quality of the wood/logs is important and keeping the stove hot. Also, with the stove drawing in air from outside, it's worth remembering that it can pull its own smoke back into the property depending on wind conditions, location of the chimney and air leakage/ventilation points. So even if you have no emissions into the room directly from the stove you might be drawing particulates in from outside, including from other peoples fires! We will certainly continue to use ours 😊
@snafufubar
@snafufubar Год назад
Moisture meter and when adding more wood open the door a little bit to equalise the air pressure. Stops smoke coming into the room.
@MaritimeFox
@MaritimeFox Год назад
I have a stove on my narrowboat and after applying the blacking to the flue and stove you have to burn it off with the windows and doors open. Once it has cured it's fine. I have had asthma all my life and my stove causes me no issues.
@garyhill9723
@garyhill9723 Год назад
Hi Keith, interesting video. I have the same monitor (and I’m in a bungalow in Norfolk) so I decided to check our wood burner. It do appear to affect the air quality at all, the reading hovers around 3-5 whether the burner is alight or not. I am currently burning kiln dried logs as my supplier didn’t have any air dried left and even with the doors open the reading stays below 10.
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