World Champs 2020: GRAND FINALS - $10,000 for 1st place in a CoH2 best-of-seven series 

You just killed everyone with alcohol poisoning :D

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i thought i was the only one who thought this, it makes no sense that the upgunned sherman penetrates almost less than the regular lol

You have no right to hurt ma prtecious panzers you allied filth. - Wehraboos who invested 3 figure $

I think its quite balanced on both sides rng gets wierd sometimes but i see nothing obnoxius

But the Königstiger is better than the normal tiger, it must also have its drawbacks. Sorry for my English, I'm not a native speaker.

​@@SavinVitaliy312 Hardly. It's always frustrating because every time I see a valid point like this being raised, there's always some inevitably making a comment like yours. No wonder the game stays unbalanced while people still scratch their head wondering why balancing isn't happening. Every time a good observation or idea is shared it's just shot down. Look the King Tiger is not better on a practical level. In every metric it is underperforming. Its cost to performance is shockingly bad, the fact that many tanks can bounce the shells fired from a tank that costs as much and takes a long as the KT to come out is not only absurd, it's unfair to the OKW player. Let's be real people, to any Allied MOFO reading my comment, put your hand on your heart and tell me what right you have to drive an oppressive 0 IQ flamer M3 scout car at the start of the game while OKW units have 0 effective ways to counter it without using 200 IQ mines, PzFus snares (meaning the OKW player has no choice in commander) and insane pre-empting with a Rakettenwerfer, which slows down OKW's already questionable tech path and doesn't always guarantee a kill on the car? What right do Allied players have to an oppressive light tank, infantry with either face-rolling DPS (for less than the cost of a 4 man Grenadier squad, mind you) or 7 man squads with sprint and all the utility in the world? What right do you have to complain when people demand that a cumbersome, weak ass heavy tank that comes out 30+ minutes into a game receives major re-work? In the first place unless a player is throwing it's way too easy to spam medium tanks and kill a King Tiger. It's unacceptable from a fundamental unit balance level, it's also unacceptable on an economic level.

@@samwu1836 It is vulnerable due to its low speed and maneuverability, its growl can be heard through the floor of the map. He has excellent infantry damage, range and accuracy, and is quite fat in health and armor. It's just not the tank that should break through. He provides heavy fire support for infantry and guns, and holds the front. He should not be imbalanced, if he is made faster, then they will cut his damage, accuracy or splash.

@@SavinVitaliy312 Ok, let's go through each of your points. My core argument is that the tank is bad practically, but the most appalling part is that it costs so much economically to get a tank which performs badly. The Tiger 2 is good against infantry... if its cannon actually lands the shot. For a tank this expensive, its cannon misses way too often, and fails to penetrate enemy tanks' armour. The Tiger 2's accuracy is not really that good, even with Panzer commander. Its range actually isn't that good if I'm being honest, it's quite average and is the same as the Tiger 1 as I recall. Again, the ironic thing about the Tiger 2 is that while its cannon sometimes fails to penetrate MEDIUM tanks, let alone heavy tanks, the Tiger 2's own armour gets penetrated by enemy medium tanks more often than a tank of its price should. Furthermore, because of how slow it is and how easy it is to be snared by infantry, it can't even escape medium tanks rushing it. Now, if you told me that they changed the snaring mechanic in an update to only allow the snare to be applied on the King Tiger only after it's gone down to 50% HP, maybe we could ignore any other balance suggestions and see how much of a difference such a change would make. You say this tank isn't for breakthroughs? Are you hearing yourself? What good is a 23 pop cap, 720 manpower, 270 fuel tank with a 70 munitions MG42 upgrade if it can't execute "breakthroughs". Then can you explain why this tank isn't a good 100 fuel cheaper to be more similar in price to the KV2 (because the King Tiger requires an extra 60 fuel, if you need to back tech a mechanised regiment HQ after building battlegroup and schwerer panzer HQ) which is all about holding the line and consistently wiping or trimming 50% of a squad's health in one go? The point is, the King Tiger is not only too inconsistent, it is far too expensive for its performance. Yes I have had success with this tank, but only when my opponent is clearly stupid, or being outplayed badly by myself. Other times, I've been forced to accept that I can't put my hopes in the King Tiger. It's not a "push to win button". But if a player is on the backfoot and has worked hard to hold out for long enough, I believe that they're entitled to an opportunity to make a comeback using the King Tiger (or whatever they saved up for). The issue is that the current state of the game is essentially telling players to go f*** themselves if they put their hopes on the King Tiger. Instead, we're being told to build either overpriced Panzer 4s or Panthers against comparatively cheap, super long range and regularly penetrating SU85s and Jacksons. It's really not a good proposition. Then there's the matter of the KV2 bouncing shells from my Panzer 4 which is firing at its rear armour (this obviously doesn't happen ALL the time, but it happens more often than it should)... I kid you not. If 90 fuel medium tanks with low pop cap wasn't cancer enough, you tell me...

@@samwu1836 so what are your thoughts on is 2

lol

I actually enjoyed that

awesome community

with 10k you can not realy fund a 5 man team + an office + equipment

@@J-IFWBR I mean, those are not all their money, that's sure.

I hope this illustrates to the greater community that no matter how many apologists there are, Axis factions on a vanilla level needs tweaking because they're underperforming. Ostruppen is being relied on due to the grenadier's manpower inefficiency, with literally no other option in the commander being used except the occasional railway arty. Like legit, the community of Allied apologists should collectively walk to the firing squad and bow their heads in shame. The last time Axis were overpowered (if ever) would be long before I first started playing this game. But instead, I hear shameless complaints about Axis units, while Allied players can easily access units which require 200 IQ setups and baits to counter. It's not funny anymore people.

@@samwu1836 Thing is, Osttruppen are only relevant in 1v1 and it's purely because of that manpower efficiency. I don't see any other reason to use osttruppen over grenadiers on itself otherwise. I think grenadiers are excellent infantry and my main faction is wehrmacht. It's probably also only on the top level that they're this good. Tier 1 skip is what's going on and maybe that could use some tweaking. Make panzerfaust on osttruppen only work with tier 1 built, not tier 2 too for example and compensate with something else. Mechanized should be toned down along with that change too then but I don't play usf enough to comment on it.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_yGZGew6gmg.html lol 4 shermans vs p4... no damage to p4

@@friendsquadzulu show me a firefly having more range than a KT or jk!...

Coh2 is a harder game to play and not biased as a Panther literally deflects shot from all Allied tanks including the heaviest of them all the ISU-152. And its Non Doctrinal. Coh2 like the A.E Coh is all about timing and micro. You cant just flank and easily cause it could go side ways and be grenaded on your retreat. The reason people are using ostruppen is for the cap and cheap manpower reinforce. More cap will mean faster 222 which means more time to kill infantry to put your opponent behind (USF Mechanized).

​@@diego2817 the firefly is a tank-sniper. it has weak armor and it makes up for it with its range. However- a Jagdtiger has more range than a firefly. (I just tested it in-game puu.sh/GQz7j/9796151a92.png) If you gave the Kingtiger more range than the Firefly, it would be wiping squads from 70 in-game units away, it would be unbelievably broken.

@@friendsquadzulu more range but probably less sight range because every time firefly shoot at JT with no response ... Also they have a op habillities with rockets

Always the dumbest comments on these videos by people who don't play this game or are ranked at the bottom of the leaderboards

@@agourent Not only at the bottom of leaderboards, but on bottom of 4v4 leaderboard and never played 10 1v1 matches with all factions.

And there are only two factions, apparently.

That's why I'm sure a lot of us found that terminator tournament (players get to use commanders only once then have to use another) so more interesting to watch

I was looking forward to watching all the matches. Then they quickly became repetitive and boring.

Same. Both finals EVERY SINGLE GAME ostruppen vs mech... I was waiting for this tournament but managed to watch one game only... This meta in unwatchable.

I thought they were just the meta commanders as of now. I was waiting for them to pick other commanders like the meme goliath

and mech vs ostru is so damn boring it's unwatchable ended up watching only the first two

Game has been horrifically broken for a long long time. I used to be part of a top-50 3v3 team and whenever we tryharded, we played the same commanders.

Can't say I've seen any strategy game at the top level have balance. When players get to THAT level, they find the slightest imbalance to give them favor. The thing that's great is it won't matter for 95% of the player-base. You can't have game developers flip the script for such a small percentage of the player-base.

@@dudeguybro coh1

@@dudeguybro aoe2

@@dudeguybro sc2

Think you missed the patch notes where the choice of commander were removed and each faction only had a fixed one.

@@nehcrum what?!?. Is that tournament rules? (I haven’t played the game since 2016).

@@silentascari2180 No, it's irony. But the mere fact that you believed it, and I assume you read the comments after having watched the video, means there is a biiiit of an issue with factions, commanders and how they are balanced.

@@nehcrum I suspected after the fact that it was irony, and especially after re-installing the game and realizing. I haven’t been in the loop for quite some time, and (just from this video) regained interest after playing some old Halo Wars. Is there any other tournaments that you’d recommend which have a variety of nations / commander?

@@silentascari2180 go to playlists and go to the commander terminator series

Every competitive game is like that though. There is a meta for a reason you know and that streches from CoH2, SC2 and even games like Warzone. And in a tournament situation no one is going to experiment.

@@asdasd5020 except that SC2 has three factions, so there are different match-ups.

@@asdasd5020 That's why they should implement that each player can ban two commanders from being used by their opponent like in some moba games for example !

@@asdasd5020 idk much about coh2 but sc2 races are pretty equally distributed and viable at pro-level. And there's a very good mix of playstyles in the pro scene.

@@asdasd5020 i mean...not really. ever watch a street fighter tournament?

A fun thing would be to make it so that each player bans three commanders in each faction, and neither they or their opponent may pick any of the banned ones (regardless of who banned it).

yea, the AoE2 community does that very successfully in most tournaments with its civilizations. Ofter something like best of 5, pick 7 each and ban one of the opponants. also avoids mirrors etc and adds a little strategy componant regarding picking. works very well there and keeps the games exciting.

Its almost like the game is dying or something outside of the top 50 players

@@swahiliranger1022 it has more active players on steam now than almost any other time.

@@swahiliranger1022 games definitely not dying lmao

@@swahiliranger1022 I agree, just like a person can die off mentally and be suicidially depressed as opposed to physically dying with a knife through the heart, CoH2 is dying the spiritual/mental death. The issue again, has to do with very stupid choices in balancing and act of changing the balancing in such a way that we've deviated from original faction design without revisiting and possibly overhauling entire factions. I always say this, but if you take OKW as an example, they've lost way too much utility and firepower over the years without proper compensation, and players these days just keep complaining about them being 'OP' almost as if it were an ingrained habit. OKW tech structure is based on certain assumptions, for example, by going battlegroup and foregoing a light tank the original design stipulates a strong infantry unit in the Obers (who are now underperforming for their price and upkeep, plus they die super easily). Infantry have lost antitank (no other faction needs a commander specific, Panzerfussilier, unit to have AT) and when I checked old videos, it wasn't like the Volks had 2 rocket launchers, they only had the 1! So when you've got such obvious holes due to years of incompetence in complaints and balancing which fundamentally perverts a faction's core design, certain commanders like Ostruppen Doctrine for Werhmacht really fills those holes up... something which shouldn't be happening. Commanders should complement and supplement, not act as a stopper for major leaks in the hull of a ship.

@@samwu1836 what ? old volks were bonkers, making pzshrecks blobs that melted everything. Sturmpioneers get access to shreck, so i dont get your complaint about AT.Soviets only get AT rifles without doctrine. And while idk about ober, volks aren't weak

Stay more active pls!! But good to know you weren't MIA.

@Stormless what did you used to avoid losing hair. I need the tip please, urgently!

It's a deep game for deep thinkers. Perhaps many people are just not deep thinkers. There's Fortnite and Halo etc for those people. :)

Yeah, if they're going to have the same commanders, at least switch the maps up every game....

hmm... if i remember correctly it was the Pink Army and the PKW i believe. but But i haven't seen either in far too long to be sure XD

Name of game??ios or pc ?

I dont understand what u are saying. Never had this issue and im top 200 and have thounsands of hours in this game.

seriously, 4-0 in a final... wth

@@RS-kt6is ye man, if he make noggano look like a noob...fuck no one can defeat that guy....especially when you look at game four you can see that noggano was mentally broken...he probably didnt even want to start that one

@@RS-kt6is thx for the spoiler...

Yea I usually play AI because I get tilted in pvp matches. I still play some pvp though.

@@christophermikiewicz7083 Oh nice:)

Thats how it works, the moment something can present even a minor danger to axis armor it needs to be nerfed in to the ground

Yes

I don't really have one of the UK dialects. The area I am from is just north of London and this area isn't typically embellished with all the beauty of UK dialects. There are lot of dialects in the north and south, then Scottish, Welsh, Irish etc but to my knowledge it's less frequent in lower midlands. I have a joke when someone asks what my dialect is I reply: "educated" xD

@@StormlessUK ah thank you for the answer :)

Now they're picked every time. So?