This line is the answer to the question, 'what if we made cruisers that are only citadel?' I was shocked at how often I would eat double citadel hits while perfectly angled against relatively small guns. Subs are relatively rare these days too.
nice intro. I like your old intro's that you used to have also. Remember its your channel, you do what you want. I watch every day. Thanks for doing it
Have to love WG logic: Hydro doesn't detect submerged subs, sub radar doesn't detect surface ships or subs not submerged, but those and radar can pierce islands....
I hope they Bring Submarine Surveillance to ALL cruisers. Put it in the HYDRO slot so its a CHOICE, you are ether hunting DDs/spotting Torpedos or your Hunting Submarines. Sub Surveillance plus Radar Combo would be a interesting Set up.
Better idea. Merge them. Hydro's whole schtick was detecting subs irl. Enforcing a split like that just means nobody is going to take sub surveillance. Merging hydro and surveillance gives more functionality, smooths over the interaction between subs and surface ships, and due to the duration forces subs to maintain proper spacing, giving DDs more room to breath.
Or even better gave DD a passive 4 Km sub survelence made them fully counterthe sub s they should be but remove damage saturation system from DD in return for balance reason
@@reinchans just give them the consumable. Damage saturation is a part of the core game mechanics so I don't think WG _can_ remove it anyway, and either way they need it to survive in high tier because _radar!_ (also make radar detect subs at periscope depth.) (I do believe keeping SS as a consumable in the deck is a good idea specifically because hydro DDs are very powerful in cap contesting and giving anti-sub DDs that power could be a bit much, but otherwise Hydro should be able to detect subs at any depth)
Um the Jack is the National Flag for Australia. What you put up was the Royal Navy Ensign. While the RAN did fly that it was changed In 1967 to a defaced British White Ensign without the cross. The cross is replaced with the Southern Cross and the Commonwealth Star/Federation Star. Please Wargaming give us the option of flying the navy Ensigns of the relevant Commonwealth Navies (Australia, India and New Zealand). I am enjoying going up the Commonwealth cruiser line. Working on my Uganda at the moment. However it is another ship line that drives subs either to the extreme range of their torps or out of the game completely. Given I'm only seeing 1 sub every 10 battles (over the past 2 weeks) I think they are a dying breed making these specialised ships kind of redundant (they are still light cruisers after all). I've given up playing my Japanese cruisers again because there are so few subs appearing (and they don't have hydro). The problem with increasing sub surveillance range (Cerberus does have 8km) and time length is that you will just decrease even further the appearance of subs meaning this line of ship becomes even less relevant. So you are killing not one but two lines of ships. I enjoy sub hunting and want subs to continue. The more asw ships the less subs we are going to see.
This ship was "designed" (lol, if you believe WG's nonsense) in like, the late 1940s... far before the Assuies traded in their old Ensign. But I agree. I wish there were more flag options and customizations outside of the aracadey crap we get
I so wish you would collect your inventory. My OCD is going off on level 10 :). I guess it looks good for a video standpoint. Onto the ship, I played her last night on the test server (which is easy somehow) and my lowest score was 120.000 DMG. I really liked this ship it's a massive improvement to the UK Heavy (jelly) cruisers. Submarine hunting is a bit of a joke as folk don't play them much and they are not a big issue in the current game (Thank god) But these are ships that can compete against them more than long-range cruisers who have the Sub survalance.
I played a match today where the single subs spawned at different flanks. They appeared at separate flanks after the first few minutes, too early to account for sub travelling across the map.
Agreed. I had a match a couple of days ago where that happened. Enemy sub went straight into a cap and was detected very early in the match. Its spawn point was clearly diagonally opposite, not mirrored on the same flank. Perhaps WG thinks it no longer needs to stick to the same flank rule after introducing the new ASW stuff?
If WG were to add a convey mode that pitted players vs AI wolfpack sub groups, then it would have more purpose. Sadly WG would probably rotate that game mode out every patch cycle..
22:10 It would only make sense historically if they had also been LIGHT cruisers, because I could be very well mistaken but a lot of convoy escort ships were ether smaller than DDs, DDs, or CLs. Weren't all that many CAs on convoy escort duty because you don't really need 203mm guns to deal with other small ships, and CAs are much better suited as part of battle groups not convoy escort duty. Also when you consider in the entire Commonwealth there was 17 CAs, yeah you wouldn't want to waste them on escort duty when they could be doing more important things. Honestly that annoys me so much about the Commonwealth line. HMCS Uganda as the T7 makes sense, but then suddenly we get into fantasy CA land, when not only did Canada have in our service HMCS Ontario the real life Minotaur class/Swiftsure class, the real life development of the Fiji class that could have served as a good T8 ship, then they could have been followed by a couple of blueprint CLs that stick with the triple turret layout. Rather than focus into fantasy CAs that no one would have seriously considered building. I'm sure there are plenty of blueprint designs that could have been used. At the very least us Canadians likely have a fair few, because we liked messing around and considering building our own stuff. CLs also would have fit the crawling smoke gimmick of the line SO much better seeing as CLs get far more out of smoke and could then play closer to the fight because their smoke fire penalty wouldn't have been so bad, but then because oh no smoke+15Xmm guns is so overpowered, they likely would have been put in AP only jail just like the Pan-American CLs were.
i dont think its worth putting the flower class corvettes (which nicholas montserrat captained 3 of) in the game tbh. it would be pretty much one salvo of anything and down except against subs
Smaller than DD: the Dutch had the Flores class gunboats which were like mini destroyers, armed with relatively large caliber (3x)150mm guns, which were build for duty in the Dutch East-Indies. They did convoy duty and participated in coastal bombardment during the invasion of Sicily and D-Day. Their guns needed replacement a couple of times because they became worn out with all of the shelling. They were famous of being very accurate with shooting.
Uganda wasn't even a landlocked Ugandan boat, but actually a but a (British RN colony class cruiser, ( like Fiji etc. ) The UK RN's 'HMS Uganda' 'represent' as it were, at least for w.g's PR, the only link with the entire continent of Africa, so pivotal in naval and maritime historiography, ( the only continent without a wows server or ship or even captain, such neglect and disappointing disingenuous ignorance, despite the demographics! The African elephant in the room is ofc the USA.. that's right, the Union of South Africa, arguably among the most industrialised and richest, per - settler - capita, relative to the orher colonial 'settler societies ' or dominions, at the time, and with its comparatively advanced defence and industrial base , essential commodities, trade routes and lanes, and solid financial base relative to other conquests and colonial occupations of the British empire . As perhaps among the top conquered and occupied possessions , after endless wars on the local indigenous nations,and the nominally most important geographically, geologically and economically, this largest diamond in the empire (later commonwealth) family jewels in the crown ' British Empire, one of only four (self governing autonomous) dominions, the special relationship of Churchill and the field Marshall PM of that U.S.A.... (preceding the North American version). The African USA, as in the Union of South Africa, for a plethora of reasons, many obvious and self evident, was quite literally the jewel in the crown of the British empire - the later 'commonwealth' - from among the largest and longest modern industrial era land wars in British empire's ubiquitous ' unprovoked invasions and subterfuge in conflicts and its wars of choice and many interventions in other sovereignties, up to then, ( eg. deploying 500k infantry personnel over the three years of the second "Boer War" to colonise capture, theft, embezzlement loot and plunder of one of the richest states (gdp per capita) in the world at that time), right through both world wars (liberating of south-west africa, then later of abyssynia, and libya and north africa, right up to the 1950s u.n. police action or liberation of the Republic of Korea in the cold war.
Look at the three lines they gave ASW to. This one, Japanese light and Italian. All ships that you typically do not push a cap in. They did not want a ship class like DM that pushes up earlier. That would have made sub players upset that they had to think a bit more about positions, like DD players. They did not want to make the brain dead classes hard to play. CVs, AA has no effect, and SS, ASW is really kind of useless on the ships they give them to....
Why create a fictional ship which has the name of a ship that actually existed? There was a HMVS [Her Majesty's Victorian Ship] Cerberus, which was basically the first monitor that Australia possessed. Before Australia was a 'thing' there were six separate colonies, Victoria being one of them. In 1866, fearful of a Russian attack, and being flush with monies from the gold rush, the Victorian colony ordered the monitor built in the UK. Delivered in 1871, it spent it's career bolstering the defences for the Port of Melbourne. She was subsequently absorbed into the Commonwealth Naval Forces [CNF] in 1901 and renamed HMAS Cerberus in 1911 once the Royal Australian Navy was formed. By 1914 her boilers and weapons had become inoperable so she served as a guardian ship and munitions store. In 1921 she was retasked as a submarine tender and renamed HMAS Platypus II. In 1924, the monitor was sold for scrap, and was sunk as a breakwater off Half Moon Bay, where she has remained since. During her life, Cerberus never left Port Philip Bay, and never fired in anger. She is one of the last monitors, the only surviving ship of the Australian colonial navies, and one of only two surviving ships in the world with Coles turrets. I would have preferred to see her name gracing the ship herself on a bottom tier. She may not have been 'glorious' in battle, but she still deserves better treatment than this.
I feel like I get subs pretty much every T10 game here on the Asia server. I also feel like we get more than one sub fairly frequently, so i reckon it may be more useful on some servers than others. But we’ll see. Im an Aussie so I’m sort of obligated to get it.😂😂😂
The Cerberus has 3 km more ASW plane range than other cruisers. What server do you play on? I’m on NA and I would say that I average more than 1 submarine per game that I play. I have double sub games at the rate you say you have single sub in your games.
Honestly, when I play this Commonwealth line of ASW cruisers,, I see a but maybe once every 8 games or less. When I run a normal cruiser I'll see a sub or two maybe once every 3 or 4 games. So, let me say I like it cause I don't see many subs in it.
I am curious on the heavy AP commander points. In the line up to t9, I use my AP next to zero unless something is close in which case, I dont feel a need that extra 5%. After you played a bit do you still like that, vs playing into the HE and fire chance (maybe even ifhe just for more alpha) and consumables? It is such a fire monster when stuff is in range. But yeah...I felt this line was just a lesser version of the British heavys
Yeah, the Heavy AP Shells skill in my opinion is a trap skill for most Cruisers. If you do 200,000 damage with AP, HAPS increases the total damage to 210,000. I think dropping HAPS and Swift Fish for Top Grade Gunner would be a better idea.
For those who didn’t know. You can change flags in Pan/Commonwealth ships. Just go to exterior and change it. Please, I am so annoyed to see people using Pan Asian lines not changing flags is kinda make me cringe a little.
"Submarine surveillance won't detect subs on the surface, because reasons" I mean, that would be pretty overpowered, plus we already got RADAR and HYDRO for that. Also subs are not often found on the Surface. If you Hover over the Continuous Damage (shows you all the AA rings and AA Accuracy) and Shell Explosions damage (shows number of Flak Puffs), their is a BIT more information that gets revealed. Id imagine she probably has 95% AA Accuracy or something on the higher end of AA Accuracy (80 to 95%), that matters ALOT far as AA effectiveness goes.
I like the Cerberus. Why? Because when I take it, I rarely ever see a sub or if I do they'll avoid me like the plauge. Same as my Worcester, I rarely see or deal with CVs. 🤭 Take these cruisers when you want to deal with subs less, not necessarily because they're great.
Why do the turrets have to turn so slow, bs balancing? The sub features are kinda redundant now subs changed so much. Would have been interesting before the recent sub changes. Thanks for the review.
the tier 9 is a better ship, simply because its not a mass shot trap. Cannot believe they used the County class as the basis for this ship with its giant freeboard. the 'spaced armour' does nothing The ship is simply way too big
Havent touched the game 11/2 year...I am a premium player still...seeing your footaged shows me that there is still the same Shoot and Pray gaming....sorry but I dont care about new ships anymore...I am going to go online to see for my self that my impression was right. Take care and have fun.
Ummmmmm .... Yeah ... right. And the US line was supposed to be the AA line and we all know how well THAT works whenever a US ship encounters an enemy CV. From what Mountbatten said ASW is going to be exactly as effective at killing subs as AA is at killing planes. At least dead subs don't regenerate .... yet!
hindenburg with the dps build is pretty damn good. can rack up good dammage with HE spam and some AP but you have more detection range than most battleships though
Your cinematic skills are not properly recognized. Love how you get these camera angles. Shocked that the art department's work is not as visible as it should be.
I only played the T5-T7 and found them to be a lot of fun if your mission is going after a sub. The ships are very much like the British light cruisers with smoke and hydro, the crawling smoke is better in my opinion though). I go with the dark blue camo as it matches close to the water color making it harder to see from the enemy. I was disappointed WG did not make the historical commanders with unique or seasoned characteristics on their skills. I went with the strength of the ship and used Sub Surv Mod 1 to lengthen the time the mod is active. On skills pretty much same as your's SLM, except i have learned to use radio location quite well so i did not choose swift fish or heavy AP skills. Appreciate the review very good job !! I think there are more subs at T5-T8 so you have a point at T10 with fewer subs and not going with a ASW build.
The problem with the Spanish cruisers being ASW boats, is that they would be too good at it. The point isn't to make the sub utterly useless and instantly dead, it's to add counter play. Between crawling smoke and sub surv the commonwealth cruisers can negate the subs spotting advantage and provide spotting to a sub that is consistently chasing either themselves or a teammate, if they sub surfaces they give up their advantage, if the sub leaves...well, congrats, counter play.
