OH MY GOD THAT'S ME!!! I've been watching for years, ever since the HMS Hood video (which, oddly enough made me decide to go into the Navy, Hooyah!) and sent in the occasional replay. I never expected to get featured, but this was one hell of a game. I was running my mouth a lot lol, but all that matters is who's standing at the top when the battle's over. Thanks for the highlight Jingles and keep up the great work o7!
I was a CV player before the rework. Sure, DDs might be a pretty hard counter but by the same token BBs hard counter CAs/CLs and most cruisers will hard counter DDs. It was a circle of hard counters that actually worked pretty well and made teamwork more important. The fact that some ships could enforce a no-fly zone just made things more interesting - aside from raising the skill ceiling, usually sooner or later enough guns would get shot off that you COULD approach them if you had to.
The game was about teamwork. Hell, the original beta trailer advertises it as a sort of complex rock-paper-scissors arrangement. You worked with others on your team to counter what you were good against, each covering one anothers' weaknesses. That's also why adding things like carriers and submarines was never going to work, because unless they were properly serving a support role they just don't fit into how the game was initially designed.
Another factor that made cross-dropping such a death sentence was the old flood mechanics. Even a single flood did massive damage, and if you got tagged with multiple floods, you either used your damage control or you died. (This also made torpedo boat destroyers much more lethal.)
The bombs aren't what you need to worry about, they have RNG so they aren't predictable. It's the tops you need to worry about, one good prediction drop and you're toast
My best CV memory was in my Minotaur when AA was still good. The enemy team had two T8 CVs. I shot down 81 planes and won the game in the final seconds by melting both CVs with my guns. Good times when the game was fun!
16:58 actually Jingles minefields have 40s activation time, so a BB has still time to create a safe path with depth charges through the mines and get into safety before mines activate
I haven't seen anyone splash 70 aircraft by themselves since before the CV rework. It's been so long since I've seen the fun police suffer death by a thousand cuts in that manner.
@@cipher34food96 My best memories of making CV cry was the Farragut with the AA hull. God damn that thing shredded planes and a lot of CV players didn't even see it coming, in more than one way xD
@@ainumahtar I still remember the captain skill that improves AA when you manually click the planes and my hipper probably trolled a lot of CV captain back then Cross dropping me ? Well good luck with your squad a 105mm flak is on your ass 🤣
What's more satisfying; death by a thousand cuts like in the video or DevStriking them out of existence from across the map? Personally I go for the latter
... until dopamine wears out from high numbers and you realize most of those are low highpoint disposable fighters and could be dealt by under-tier ship with worst AA...
The good news is that WarGaming are bringing back all of the Tier V, VII, and IX aircraft carriers, such as Essex and Taihou, into the game as escort carriers. However, both Essex and Taihou are going to be at Tier X. Also, all American escort carriers, like Essex, will have access to air-dropped mines consumable that can damage subs whereas all Japanese aircraft carriers, like Taihou, get access to air-dropped smokescreens.
This was a great game, but more importantly: I want to hear Jingles' "Never put your dick in crazy" Baton Rouge story. Plz Jingles, for all of us in the salt mines.
Hahaha never have wiser words been said. This is one of those life lessons that needs to be experienced, you can be taught it, but good lord does the lesson stick once you experience a crazy woman and the ensuing drama bomb
That was the most disgusting display of carrier abuse I have seen in a few years.... I'm happy now. Nice to see them on the receiving end for once. Thank you!
11:50 "How dare you not sink" I felt that in the depths of my soul Edit: also he would have maybe been better off going after B instead of hunting CV's at this point
Atlanta definitely can still be a no fly zone if youre up against T6 carriers. That infinite DFAA with a 60s cooldown (if you build for it) is outstanding
US BBs in WoWs used to be avoided by CVs as well, i had fun games in my NC and Iowa, ripping apart planes left right and center. And yeah, old Cleveland with full AA specc. 0 Chance for CVs, and you could give highly effective AA cover to your allies.
Jingles, I've shot down 50+ planes in my Halland many times. Think my high is mid 60s in it. It is better than Kidd vs CVs. Like Kidd, or anything else, if a CV focuses you, he'll likely get you, mainly because he'll keep you spotted for others to shoot at you. But most of them learn to leave Halland alone and go elsewhere. If you are not getting similar results in your Halland, you may not be doing it right :) Note Halland normally fights T10 CVs. Also note, Halland fires depth charges out front of it...which means it'll probably be a better counter to minefields.
I greatly preferred the old RTS style of carrier gameplay. Because it felt like what managing a carrier would probably be like. Managing your squadrons, trying to coordinate the timing of your attacks to make the most use of them, having to be careful what you attacked because AA cruisers would make some attacks far too costly... And having to be careful about not depleting your plane reserves. Instead, we got floating plane factories that can ignore AA as if it was just a cloud of bubbles and then nuke whatever they find. This kind of shit is why I'm glad I stopped playing WoWs and WG games in general.
The Kidd won against two CVs, but it was soooooooooo boring. It took just over 5 minutes and the two carriers were on their own for most of that so best possible conditions for the Kidd.
i play the filthy casual way, on PlayStation. and the pan-euro/swedish destroyers will wreak havoc on any carrier planes that get too close. even more than American cruisers.
Ah good times, i remember watching and enemy cv send his entire plane payload over a mountain to kill a montana, then he discovered the desmoines behind that island with a full AA build, he lost all his planes after about 5 seconds, good times
mine will always be a tier 8 CV sending planes over my fully AA specced Queen Elizabeth and suddenly finding they had very few planes left. The Queen Liz, when specced for it, was an AA monster and often took CVs offguard. It was her 'trade off' vs the Warspite who had much better turret traverse time and a better heal but worse AA.
@luketfer oh yeah I remember that, you actually had to think about who to attack and the specs of the ships to do good, now it's just braindead play style
AA builds used to be so much fun. I remember playing an AA spec destroyer (I think it was one of the American ones), and while it wasn't amazing in a gunfight, the reverse ambush of planes when they're engaging a seemingly easy target and suddenly they're getting scattered and shot down by a surprise destroyer.
Remember the day before the CV Rework, was in a full AA spec Minotaur and 2 CVs were trying to kill me but couldn't. They lost over +50 planes between the 2 of them. I beat my AA Defence record that day. Good time, good times
Been playing this game for 8 years, and can confirm that WG is still working hard to throw this game under the bus. But cheers for the vid, Jingles, entertaining as always! 07 old man
Yeah that is true , I have clan mate that was off line for 1142 days , in 800days he was gone I have write him and massage in game that i hope he is fine and did not died on corona or something , I had no hope he will ever respond , and he did in Saturday , he have writen that he got married and had daughter so he quit game , but now he is back ... I have call him fool for getting back to game ;)
@@ninobixio6156 I feel excactly the same way, I tried War Thunder, but it proved to be not my cup of tea. I remember I quit playing WoT a long time ago for the exact same reason that I see WG is doing to WoWS now. But there is really not any viable alternatives out there for me. In addition, all my friends that I socialize with, is built around playing in divs in WoWS while chatting on Discord. There is a social aspect that is suffering hard nowadays too, as a direct result of WGs ongoing efforts to ruin this once wonderful game. I know a TON of good players that have just quit playing wows over the past couple of years, and thus they're never on our Discord anymore. It's really tragic!
OK, I guess I am an insensitive capitalist pig, but I truly do not understand the blatant hostility WG have for the players that are paying them money. Also in since closed Beta. But I still enjoy the game. I just play around Tier VII except for Ranked and other events, to avoid the high tier fantasy ships. There are a significant number of experienced players in the mid and even lower tiers.
I loved old style CV RTS gameplay exactly for how different it was from other ships. The tense standoff with opponent fighters, trying to outsmart opposite CV player. It was interesting, unlike current mode.
I preferred the old one as well. Especially as you could build either for airsuperority with lots of fighters or strike with more bombers. Think also the idea that you could assign a squadron to provide cover for an allied ship was a neat idea. And do not forget that carriers were vulnerable back then. Being caught alone in the open was a sure way to get killed. Now they are imune to fires an flodding most of the time. Have automatic defenses against other planes and subs. And the russian carriers can nearly outrun a destroyer.
Never tried to play the old style CV but could appreciate the skill involved when a good player showed up so somehow that meant being sunk by them wasn't so bad. Todays CV's? Not likely! I'm afraid I have no respect for any CV player simply because of the mechanics of the game - like Subs (urgh) they are too easy to play well and have too many gimmicks going for them. If I wanted to fly aeroplanes I'd play a flight-sim. If I wanted to captain a sub I'd play a sub-sim.
@@jackaubrey8614 True, and the real problem is CVs and Subs make destroyers more or less useless. They both can spot better, both can do stealth better, The only defense you have in a DD is speed and stealth and both classes more or less negate that advantage. Not that it was not hard enough already with all the Hydro and Radar. And nowadaays nearly every ship has torpedoes as well, so another reason for a deastroyer is gone.
The CV rework ended the game for me when WG decided to push ahead with it despite the testers and the community were opposed to it. I haven't played it since then and watching the replays from the Game of Throws doesn't make me miss the game at all because the game I knew doesn't exist anymore.
The worst part of the rework for me was that I had just unlocked the Bogue when they did the rework. As a strategy player by nature RTS carriers were the love of the game for me.
The Kidd is actually supposed to be going into dry dock soon as soon as the Mississippi River rises to release her from her cradle. Nice to see a replay with her.
As a pre-rework Hiryu captain main, I will say that I didn't mind that I couldn't sink an atlanta. That's what my team was for. I just cleared the way for them.
In retrospect, Id rather have seen the RTS CVs with plane HP and stuff like that. Just improved the old model. But when one CV player knew how strafing worked and one didnt ? Damn one team was giga-fucked.
@@IIIJG52 I know. Strafing was silly, only put in because WG decided they had both an "automatic" and a "manual" attack for the bombers and torpedo planes, so fighters had to have one too... regardless of how silly it was, from the perspective of reality, balance, fun, or anything else.
@@TheMouseMasterYT IF both CVs were skilled, it was fun though. Trying to bait each other into getting their fighters strafed and then going for complete aerial domination. Pre-rework CVs were fun honestly, because there were hard limits to what you could do.
Jingles missing that the concord bridge also dropped torpedoes with the Lexington to make the 'cross drop' has to be one of the biggest Jingles moment in history
naw, it's all the time irl Jingles has spent doing the voodoo rituals to get better matchmaking and skills in game in wows that has zero impact on the matchmaking or game skills. ;)
What about bottoming out a nuclear submarine in Cold Waters, dragging it backwards across the mucky hill, "taking off" at the crest of the hill to regain "flight" and power his way up to a shallower depth so he could pump out the flooding and continue his campaign? Ya know, his iconic Jingles Landings, in a fuckin sub.
Read the title and was instantly hoping this was a Vampire replay, since HMAS Vampire was nicknamed The Bat, and The Batmobile, and the first thing I though of when reading the title was one of Joker’s catchphrases from the 1989 Batman movie: “Have you ever danced with the Devil in the pale moonlight?”
😂 Jack Nicholson is the best Joker, imo! Just like Danny Diveto played the Penguin perfectly and I can't see anyone else in the role! My favorite Cat Woman is still Eartha Kitt! And Wonder Woman played by Linda Carter!🤤 That was the best time to be a kid! 😂
@@paulvamos7319 for me the best Joker is hands down, without a doubt Mark Hamill. Just the fact that you can’t even spell his name without Arkham is nothing short of incredible. It’s a shame he announced he will no longer voice Joker because Kevin Conroy died, we lost an undeniable legend when he shuffled off this mortal coil. Man fuck cancer. In terms of live action, while I appreciate Nicholson’s take, you just can’t beat Heath Ledger. Joaquin Phoenix takes second place purely because of the raw emotion and cadence present with his delivery, with Nicholson in a close third because he was more obsessed with Vikki Vale instead of being a threat to Gotham, Cesar Romero takes fourth mainly because whilst he had plenty of funny moments, he didn’t leave that big an impact like Ledger, Phoenix and Nicholson, and the less said about Jared Leto the better.
Jingles - I loved it in the beginning of carriers at tier 4/5. I could always sneak around a map corner and slaughter a carrier in a Destroyer, And I did it too, many times. Back in the days when Carriers were not so OP. Also, you need to add some to the story of your Crazy Louisiana GF in your next Mingles. 😃
This trail deal with the mines and smoke planes had me pulling the same thing several times with my Cleveland. They’re so busy playing with the new gadgets they didn’t see 152mm of pain aimed right in their sides. Kept air striking in front of me to clear mines and kept pouring the beans to them. It was glorious 😂😂😂
Fun fact: The current Executive Director of the USS Kidd Veterans Museum is also a member of the exploration team that found the wrecks of both the USS Johnston and USS Samuel B Roberts.
Err Halland with the special captain will monster any CV. Mino's are also a good bet if you can stay alive long enough. The Kidd isn't the only ship that can give CVs a hard time
@@jaquigreenlees Also if the CV is tier 8 and doesn't have an armored flight deck, ends up in a tier 9 game, they need to be careful of Musashi with spotter plane. Several times I've had our CV spot the enemy CV, see they aren't moving and within one or two salvos suddenly there isn't an enemy CV anymore. Sadly if it's a Brit CV or against the tier 10s this isn't effective because they gave them armored flight decks...much sadge.
Yep. Halland, petro and mino are some of the few surface ships capable of neutering a CV. Petro actually excels with an AA build because if you can bait a CV into focusing you with the AA captain skill you get a significant reload boost for your radar and dfaa. Downside is no hydro, but it's a petro and that thing is a beast. Halland is halland and eats planes for fun. Mino is like petro in that it gets the extra range needed to deter a CV but personally I'd only take the AA flag and spec mino for your playstyle because unlike petro, mino likes to have quite a few skills.
@@luketfer new mexico, 1 broadside and full health serov went to the bottom. pensicola, 2 full broadsides and full health serov went to the bottom. both were my personal battles a while back. you get a cv in range of your main guns and they are having a bad day. this morning, ryujo went from full health to 25% with my dallas dumping he into her bows. then the sub on my team nailed her with a torp and she went to the bottom. victory as last ship on other team.
The USS Kidd is open as a museum ship in Baton Rouge, LA. It's the only Fletcher class destroyer still in it's WWII configuration. Great musuem, if you're ever in Baton Rouge stop by.
"Kidd might be the only ship in this game that carriers might want to stay away from" - Friesland, Groningen and De Zeven Provincien want to know your location
Sure it was, and wargaming actually listens to player feedback and cares about the players and wishes to provide a good experience with out gouging money from people at every possible turn
@@mirandela777 More fun maybe, but you dont grind faster. Ops give more exp than Co-Op, but significantly less than Randoms and this new game mode. Plus Ops is way too dependant on the team playing the objective, which most just dont do, especially in Cherry Blossom.
@@richardwinstanley8219 - Dude I get 10-20k XP on op.s, and 500k - 1 million, credits, when performing decent. "Plus Ops is way too dependant on the team playing the objective" - Random is way more, lol, here you get things right at contrary lol ! In Ops is only 7 guys, AND you know what you need to do. In random, you have way less control.
"The Enemy Kidd's running off his mouth too much." Kidd: *Solos two aircraft carriers and downs an entire air wing's worth of aircraft.* [Insert Spongebob muscle picture meme here.]
Just took a trip to USS Kidd this summer - it is well worth the visit! If you can't see her in person, USS Kidd does have a RU-vid channel (and a website with a virtual tour) - all sorts of great stuff. Thanks for all your great content, Jingles
Okay Jingles BULL SHIT! As someone who dabbles into Carriers once in a while i can not let that comment on AA stand. The Black having the best AA? Not even at its Tier. There is someting called the Öland (Pan Euro DD T8) that actually IS an effectiv no Fly Zone. Followed by the Östergotland (T9) which is even more proficient at whiping out entire Squads in a matter of Seconds. The Kidd is more at the Level of the Kansas, the Harlem or the Harbin.
That could actually be a cool mechanic, maybe difficult to implement well, but if done right it could be a some benefit to staying in a group, vs being an easier target for torpedoes etc.
Well i missed out on the first one, but looking forward to the next one. Since the Mines will also be able to deal with Submarines. Edit: Jingles have you never played a European DD? They got the BEST AA IN THE GAME. But the Kidd is a AA boat as well. The US Dreadnaught line also seems to have decent AA as well.
Yeah the EU DD line are fucking brutal against CVs, surprisingly so. Especially the tier 9 and 10 and, like the Kidd, can absolutely shred through 'Aircraft that matter' to the point where you're better off just sending your planes after something else.
