World of Warships- I Grinded From Tier I To Tier X In 22 Games 

Hey guys to clarify some things and address some comments. 1. “New players don’t have access to camo/flags” -This is true, but, the claim was that a new player who spends their money can buy booster flags/camos to fly to tier X. This of course means that they have access to these items. Most new players will stick to grinding at least for 20-30 battles which is more than enough to unlock the exterior tab with signal flags and camo (it only takes 5 battles to unlock this). 2. “You have games up to T3 in the IJN cruisers” -Yes, I do, I had to play a few when I grinded through the IJN BB line 3 years ago. But I only had to play one game in the Hashidate to get enough FXP to get to T4 (then using FXP from the containers I go to T5). Meaning I did not have to play T2-T4 during this hyper grind session. 3. “This is clickbait” -clickbait is lying in your title in order to get clicks. I grinded to the Zao in 22 games. You can check my stats to see that. 4. Some people seem to be missing that I did this to prove that a player with my resources; the money, knowledge, and experience. Using the system of buying containers to get signal flags/camo available to new players, can grind to TX in as few as 20 games. Of course it would take a new player longer, I even address that in the video. 5. “But you have special camos and credits!” Again....”With MY RESOURCES”. Plus, if a new player purchases Premium Time, on top of these signals and camo, they will have enough credits to continue. I know this as I have grinded many a line before I even started YT, and only had credit issues when I went full potato and barely did anything in battle.

Breakdown for anyone wondering: When in an all same tier match, you want to shoot the lowest max hp ship, as you get more for damage percentage. When in a scrambled tier, you want to shoot the highest tier first, but then the highest tier with the lowest hp. If you are t5, shooting a t7 bb would give more than a t5 dd, but if you have a t7 bb and a t7 dd, you will get most for shooting the dd

watches this video... looks at own 500-odd battles played as almost entire F2P player, and rather abysmal stats slowly heaped together over four years of intermittent gameplay... suddenly feels ashamed for being so excited for finally unlocking Fletcher my first T9 ship earlier today... slinks away to cry... I mean other than how much this hurt, it's a great video that gets the point across very well. Great job mate. I look forward to your next video, and congratulate you on your achievement!

I never doubt it would be possible with all flags, premium account and camos. Every time I get free premium for a day or so I also use all flags and camos and make like 30k xp per battle. (I keep the free xp for else) But having very few of these flags I barely use them and end up grinding Tier 1-10 in roughly 250 battles.

Wow i stand corrected. I thought there was no way you could grind so fast. I laughed when you said it originally

I think the biggest issue is the money. Credits are tough. Even if you make 1mil per battle and are in a max level clan, it would still cost far more credit than you could earn to make t10

What I see from my own play (30+ lvl6 ships) I have much more problems getting the credits for the higher tier ships, then getting the XP. I have the T9 soviet BB xp available, but don't have the credits. Same for the T8 British cruiser and one of the T8 DD's (not sure which one). I started dismounting modules using doubloons to save up on credits, starting using doubloons for retraining captains for the new ships, etc. But I am not using free XP anymore for getting to the new tier, not even for the hull upgrade. Can't pay for it anyway :) The main thing is with a player like Mountbatten and an average player like me (3 months in the game) is the lower amount of damage we do per game.

Yeah, Flambass did this kind of thing 2 times but I think he also fully researched each ship that he went through, could be wrong about that, and if memory serves he did it in 23-25 games

New challenge for you SeaLord. 1. Make a brand new account 2. Pick your favorite ship line and grind to T10. Then tell me how long it takes you to do this. I guarantee you it will be >200 battles.

And 2000 games later I'm only at the first T10. Not even bought. What have I done with my games ? /o\

People are still trying to talk about the technicalities of the "20 games to tier 10" but guys, even if its not 20 and its 60 games or 80 games it's still something you can do in 1-2 weeks if you play 6-10 games a day which probably only takes 2-4 hours a day. Even if you don't have the credits to buy the ships immediately if you have a t8+ premium you will at most need to add maybe another 50 games to make sometime like 25m credits to supplement the income from grinding the line. If you are willing to invest some money in the game grinding is still hella easy even if it isn't 20 games from t1-10. This is especially bad at tier 7-10 because that's when radars and CVs that actually start hurting appear, if you only spend 20-30 games from tier 7-10 you will not know how to deal with being constantly spotted and having to pay attention to radar ranges. This is likely why we see people running away to the edge of the map from the start of the game in BBs or pushing to bad positions and getting killed in 2 minutes in DDs and Cruisers at tier 10, they never had the time to learn how to use islands to push safely to firing positions, bait radars at max range then run away or stay together to kill CV planes before they can get more then 1 drop off. Some people might say that 1-2 hundred games is too much of a grind to unlock just 1 t10 line when there are so many more and i would agree IF the game had proper matchmaking which did not put a super unicum in the same game as a yamato player that averages 30k damage a game, however under the current circumstances the only thing that separates those 2 players from being in the same game is the fact that the yamato player probably has to grind 100 games to get to the yamato. In my opinion the current setup is really hurting the player base of the game, it's no fun when you spent 100 games to get to play the yamato only to be completely annihilated by a player who probably has 50x more time played then you and you don't even have the slightest clue on how to counteract what they are doing in game since you only have a handful of games played at t8+.

I do feel like a new player would not be incentivised to buy containers, 2 $40 dollar packs are no small amount of money for a new player coming into what is advitised as a free to play game. Even if they are willing to spend money day 1, they are much more likely to spend the money on some premium ships. Historically significant ships like the Hood, Graf Spee and so on are much more appealing to a new player than premium flags which newer players might not even recognize how good they are. Even if we assume that some whale decided he want to buy the containers for a chance at getting one of the ships, but at 80 dollars they would just go and buy the ship. Also, new players would not know all the intricate details of how income works in the game, nor would they have the skill to farm damage every game. If anything what you demonstrated here is what experienced players would do to re-grind techlines for research points, not something a new players would be willing or capable of doing. Speaking of personal experiences, me being a slightly below average player with about 1400hrs in the game, I only have 9 tier X ships, and if we take away coal ships (Thunderer and Yoshino) that number goes down to only 7. I distinctly remember that getting to my first Tier X Yamato took me about 350 hrs (granted I wasnt just going all in every game with the IJN BBs, but we can assume most new players wouldn't be doing that either) and throughout most of the matches I didn't even know how important upgrades, captain skills are, or have any camo mounted. Its safe to say your average new players would not be able to grind through an entire techline in 20 games or 40 games. Edit: after some thoughts I also realised there's the problem of credits, I recall the game giving you quite a handsome amount as a new player but that was all but depleted by the time I got to the Izumo, and without premium accounts or a perma-camo, you would be losing money on every game you lost or in blow-out victories when you don't get to do much. 17million credits for a tier X ship is no easy thing when you are a new player.

14:57 Magic shots incoming. Look at those tracers :D

To be honest, it is easy assuming that you have all the flags, camos and skill to grind from T1-T10. Most new players will not have those available and it will take them longer to progress. However can we see a tech line grind experiment with no camos, or flags?

Impressive, Sea Lord. That's crazy that you were able to do that from tier 1 all the way to 10.

While a new player will buy premium ships, I find it hard to believe they'd buy flags and containers, most people see these as a total waste of money from the onset. Do it without ANY flags except what you earn along the way...should take you about 150 games or so, and its annoyingly brutal and long to do. I know I'm done wanting to play most ships after about 2-3 games personally, especially if the ship just sucks, which MANY of the tech tree ships do. Also, only spend earned credits...good luck with affording a T8-T9 and T10 ship with only earned credits in a short time frame.

All these salty comments still are so fun to read. I've played this game on and off for 4 years now and while 20 battles is a pretty outrageous number, Sealord's point still stands. I have grinded many lines to t8 or t9 and just got bored because the crappy players in high tier games caused so many battles to be complete blowouts, whether it was my team or the enemy. Like it or not people, this game is filled with potatoes that pay to win or are bored, just like the fools that pay $20 every season of COD MW for the battlepass. So what if normal people don't have 100 signal flags or premium camoes. If you are new and buy a t8 or t9 premium, you can earn yourself lots of credits, and fail your way up to t10 in a relatively low number of games these days. Thanks for the thumbs down, and peace out.

12:45 As an actual new player and pretty much an average Joe, i can tell you that's impossible. I think i played at least 30 games in the New York alone to get the New Mexico. You underestimate how much skill and knowledge you have.

I mean anyone who doubted I think has never really had a supply of the good signals, because yeah. I've ground 3 t10 lines in the last two mohths playing "casually" - few games a day, running Frosty Fir and using all the economic signals. Flambass did a challenge like this as well, I think he did it twice and played like 27 in one round and 25 in the second or something like that.

You need to do this in 2023, pick a single line, start out with nothing except a tier 1 in the branch line, start with no bonus flags etc, only use credits and such that are obtained via matches and chests. It would now take you about 60 matches. Given that your experience and knowledge of ships and tactics, what ever number of games you end up with, add another 5 to 10 to it as your certainly not a noob. I dont consider myself a noob at all and most of my matches in 2023 without bonus flags etc range from 150 base to 250 base for a really good game, alot of those being operation games, random games generally score about 80 to 100 and coop generally gets me 45 to 60 which blows my ight when they have upped the bots AI and in some of those games I would have received kraken award etc for destroying 5 or more ships yet all I ended up with is a measly 60xp. Its like a lot of your matches have premium captains / commanders. No normal free to play player has these commanders so straight away your gameplay is way different to say my games play cause I dont have the use of special talents. I would like to see someone, who has the time, to compare apples to apples, start with nothing, dont use special things that havent been earnt , dont spend money, dont colab with anyone. Also my biggest annoyances with this game, - is uptiering ( now tier 5 can see tier 7 ), - clan ships provided to you that are locked to clan battle only, thus in most cases never used, - missions daily special and combat campaigns that require only random and brawl ( brawl currently unavailable or inactive ) or clan ( currently inactive ) - most random matches wait times go beyond 5 mins. Sometimes end up 17 mins and I give up. - good ships like Schlieffen being nuked down to almost useless due to uptiering and lowering of things like range and damage per shell. Schlieffen for instance should be 25km base not 18km range, torpedoes should be 63 to 65 knots not 50 knots SUBS - still to powerfull, they need some serious rethinking or atleast every surface ship have a method of erasing homing lock with a cooldown of 1 min unlimited use CV - squadron limited to a wait time after previous one launched. Cant line drop up, click mouse, press F launch next wave. Whilst squadron still completing attack run. say a 2 min wait time between squadrons, in reality, CVs took around 45 to 60 mins to organise the next sortie to take off.

I might point out that as an experienced player it's infinitely easier for you to grind to 10 then a new player.

From Tier 1 to Tier 9 in 0(zero) battles. Download, install and enter the game, purchase an Alaska, Georgia or whatever T9 you like for about 65 bucks. Et voila. ;)

What new player has 22 of one of the best camos

I appreciate very VERY much that you have spent your presious time and resources, to prove those cocky players who shame their own parents with their behavior (referring to how they treated you in the comments, eg. Kaz), that they are not as smart and wise as they thought. I have been treated similarly many, many times. Thank you boss :)

I don't mind noobs at higher tiers, they are a great farming source if they're on the enemy team, and if they're on mine, well they leave more kills for me :)

Got here today after searching 'How long for Tier X grind' out of curiosity on what it takes for the average player. I have never purchased flag crates for boosters. I did buy Premium 1year when it was half price. For the most part I just play once or twice a day (FP) and only have 20 T10 ships for 9383 battles. If you average that out, its about 470 battles per T10. I did find the joy of flag stacking when I went from T9 to T10 Shima but still I think it took me about 10 - 20 battles. That said, I enjoyed watching this video. It shows, if your happy to throw money around you can get there faster - but you still need to know how to play.

Which crates contain are the best to buy when you want to try something similar

The biggest struggle (which I am currently experiencing as I could get izumo, Halland upgrades & thunderer upgrades) is credits. Exp doesn't even need flags , you'll always have enough exp but never enough credits, the rate of credits is much slower.

Wow. It took him 22 games while i was like 1k games to get to Montana.

Started this game about 6 months ago and ,yes, I have spent money on the game. Bought several premiums, mostly ships that have historical significance to me. I am retired Navy and I work in Las Vegas at a casino, make pretty good money and except for 2 car payments, am debt free. Got tired of throwing my money away in slot machines, so I figured that putting money into this game wasn't quite as bad because I was, at least, getting some value and getting to go to battle in some of my "boyhood dream ships". Love playing the Bismarck and Tirpitz. My other favorite is the North Carolina since I was born there and have visited it. Also bought the Arizona because I have been to the memorial in Pearl Harbor. Eerie place... My first ship in the real Navy was the USS Mullinnix DD 944, a Forrest Sherman class destroyer commissioned the same year I was born, 1958. I was GMG and worked on the 5 inch gun mounts and really loved it. After that, I commissioned the USS Scott DDG-995 as a GMM as well as the USS Vincennes CG-49. Anyway, I spend hours playing the game and watch tons of videos on RU-vid to improve my understanding of the game. Still a below average player, but i am getting better. Play mostly BB's and CA's. Have 2 15 point commanders so far, and am trying to get them to 19. Like doing the campaigns and like the asymetrical battles, not really into this new theme they are pushing right now. So, yeah, I have money to spend and don't mind spending it on something I really like a lot!!

So watching this video, does anyone have any advice for grinding UK and GER ships without spending money on the game since I need to focus money IRK right now? I’m T5 Ger BB, T6 UK DD,CA,CV,BB and T7 CL and I’m burning out. There’s no one I can division with, the only way I can get Premium is by completing operations and I am unsure of how many special flags I have (with next to no camouflage) I’m just so tired and I’ve been around since the closed Beta. Sorry, I’m just ranting now but I’m really burning out.

i just recently grinded the french BB line in 2 weeks, i thought that was fast. but wow 22 games? thats insane!

I did the math, it takes myself (between noob and average = below average) 85 games on average to get to tier 10. When I was full-on noob that number is closer to 125 games. So really the current game would take about 300 games to get the first 3 tier 10 ships. In my opinion that's WAY too long. But I also think 20 games is WAY too short for veterans. I think what we need to do is cut the experience in half, but the veterans should have to gain 10x exp to get ships.

Sure, if you have plenty of money and flags to throw at the problem. In most cases, that's the only way you can get to T10. But most of us don't have that luxury. I sure don't. Try doing it without a premium account, high-level flags or fancy camouflages. I've been playing for two years now and I'm stuck at T8 because I won't throw money at the game for premium play and doubloons. Most random games at T7 and T8, I struggle to even make a profit in credits.

When I started playing last June, it took me probably 200 games and 6 months to get GK, and then I learned all the advanced mechanics for the game. I did, however, make a free alt account and got up to Benson in about 15-20 games, but I knew what I was doing.

Got to the MvR in 42 battles Granted I’m an above average player with lots of camos and flags. But the mere fact that I can be in command of a weapon system as influential and game deciding as a MvR in as little as 42 battles is pretty alarming...

I think if anything this should highlight how difficult it is for a new player without access to these tools to level and grind this game and how it's hurting wargaming bringing in new players by forcing them to spend money to achieve this, even for old players this can be difficult because they spent all their credits on shiney new tier X Leveling without all these tools hurts, it's a painful grind and most people who are new get turned off and leave around tier 6 to 8 because it's to much But let's face it, wg don't watch RU-vid or read our comments because it's not in their spreadsheet

Nice proof of your point, and considering you gave new players more than double that amount of matches to get to T10 in your original statement... my respect dude

I'm not entirely sure what you were going for here. Was this supposed to show how quickly someone with lots of resources can grind the line? If so, why not use your existing free xp and make it to tier 10 in zero battles? Also, if you have so many resources available, why did you buy $80 in containers? Or, was this supposed to show how quickly new players can make it to tier 10? If so, why did you ignore the credit cost for the higher tier ships? In my playing experience, it's typically credits that are the limiting factor anyway, since there are so many different xp boosters, but far fewer credit boosters available. Surely that wouldn't add any battles played since you can buy credits directly, but it was never mentioned. There's a lot of good information in this video, I'm just not sure what point you're trying to prove with it is all.

i heard your original comment, read the replies, and got ready to grab some popcorn. well done man, honestly didnt think you would pull it of... nicely done :P

There's one major problem with this. Camos and Sigs eventually run out and I do not have the financial resources to be able to buy containers. Highest tier ship atm is Yorck, which I researched and bought last night at T7. I have run out of special sigs on the NA server and am low on them on EU. Plus even if I had them I doubt if I could end a battle with 12-16k free XP the way you and Flambass did

Idk how to feel about this. I have 4000+ games played, mostly at T8 and up. Yet I’m a f2p. It took me 400 hours just to get Iowa. My first teir 9. Another and got Shima at about 700ish hours. Now at 1400 hours and I have finally researched my 5th T10 ship unlocking research bureau. I’ve only bought premium time from tax return and birthday, along with a few ships. Bottom line: I think it’s absurd to spend more than $20 on a game that you already own. So to spend $80 just to get to T10 is retarded.

So heres a problem. You claim you've never touched the Japanese cruiser line before, but you'd at least have been at tier 3 already- since you have the japanese battleships. Looking at your profile, I can clearly see you started playing at tier 4 or 5- since the first bought ship would be the Furutaka. That right there already adds 10-20 battles for a starting player. Take into account that starting players cant even equip signals and camos when they start playing, and i think you're looking more at a minimum of 100 battles for a tier X should you dedicatedly grind 1 single line. I'm willing to take up this challenge, and I'll stick to my word that I'll do it as fast as possible on a new/ non-played account, but I'm gonna support anyone who called BS on you before, since you effectively prove it through this video, clickbait much. Also; your presumption of access to camo's, signals etc for the sake of showing how quickly a new player can go to tier X is so false I really can't wrap my head around it. You should try making a new account nowadays- you can't even fit signals & camos till you've played like 50+ battles. And.... while you can buy signals, where are you going to buy Spring Sky camouflages? > It's good content IMO, you're proving some point, but not the point you're trying to make, really its not that easy to just jump to tier X in one day.

That is not really a "new player who is willing to spend" strategy though now? I mean it takes some 10 or 12 games to even get access to a captain and to be able to mount modules on a ship.

So, this is a confirmation that this game is basically pay to win/"grind". If you want to get a tier X ship without spending more than $10 (premium) you have to play for weeks, at least. I remember getting to Bismarck and to upgrade to F.d.G. I played A LOT. Then I quit the game for months and when I come back, after using all the signals I got for paying premium and containers, I got G.K. in like 4 matches. Personally I prefer to pay $60 once and grind like everyone else, to have to pay monthly $30 or so to be able to have fun and don't get frustrated.

Thanks for the vid dude! Got my first and second tier x with your technique!!

you cant do this now right coz u cant stack econ anymore.

I am seeing and hearing this and I can only think that it's just sick - mind you, I believe you, but I just see that I'm doing something horribly wrong, I get 3-600 XP (unmodded) on my Tier IV German Battleship... I only wish I knew what. Nice vid though!

I feel like a time-lapse of these 22 battles with results screens would have made for a better video. "I rebuilt the engine in my car in 3 hours. Here's a video of me pruning my hedges."

So you mentioned on Furutaka you splurged for the better guns. What do you upgrade on each ship? Do you just do research and not buy anything for the ships and just buy the next ship ASAP? No Upgrades or mods?

I think this video is contradictory. In the last video you were complaining about the poor quality of play at t10 and you said one of the reasons was how fast and easy it was to get to t10. Now in this video you show that a good player that knows how to farm can get to t10 in ~20 games. That's great and all but how can you claim people are good enough to grind that fast but not good enough to play well at t10, it doesn't make sense. I agree that t10 player quality is low these days, but tell me honestly do you think those potatoes you see at t10 who are averaging 500xp at t10 were getting 20k xp a game while they were grinding? How does that make sense? I know what you're trying to prove in this video but I don't think you proved it.

The biggest problem is the credits. How did you afford all these? Grinding the credits for all the tiers would likely add 100+ games in a premium onto the total…

Well done .wow.

As others have noted, The XP isn't the issue, it's the credits. Most of the time you've unlocked the next tier ship, especially tiers 9 and 10, but you don't have the money to actually buy it..

I honestly would rather put that 80 dollars to a tier X premium ship if any of them look good to you. I first got into the game because my friend bought me Atago (well, paid for a ship of my choice) and she is still my favorite ship to play. If you are a completionist trying to get every boat then I understand the choice. Just my two cents :)

I started playing this game in Dec 2019. I have yet to reach t10 in any line of ships. 1. because I am enjoying the game and trying not to burn out on it but 2. because earning the silver takes more time then earning the XP to research the ship. My question is how much silver did it cost you to purchase the ships and upgrades to get to t10 and did you use previous earned silver in this video or did you use the silver you earned like you did with FXP?

I played, from tier 1 to tier 10 with no flags, got my first tier 10, 6 MONTHS LATER, also found a friend on WoWs who taught me how to play wows correctly, so i have him to thank for why i still play and somewhat enjoy the game

So you have to be unicum (avg 100k dmg) on all those 22 match with all the economy amd special flags...

Step 1: Have enough credits to purchase all the ships prior to starting the grind Step 2: Mount everything Step 3: Don't die early

I agree with you there, American Heavy Cruisers, Battle Ship (Colorado Grind needs fixing) French Battle Ships. I suck in a Destroyer.

Welp, I know what I’m doing tomarrow

But that’s the problem, normal players don’t have every single flag at every single time

I saw you in one of my random battles! Woot. Nice job. I have been trying to give Wargaming some cash here or there to support the game since I've played 2300 battles or so and I've never really "paid" anything despite playing since Closed Beta. I'd love to try something like this with birthday money or something. Just drop 80 bucks and go nuts with all maxed flags etc. Your flag stash makes me jelly. o7 sir.

WOW amazing you should make video series calling it from I to X ASAP

Well done! Wouldn't have bet on it but now I just feel silly for not rushing to get the Moskva ealier this year.

I'll come back to this video in a few months when I get a computer that can run wows decently and with it looking nice too. I have a small amount of knowledge thanks to wows console so I will probably be okay on the pc version when I get the chance.

That's actually impressive, when I grinded the Japanese BB line (with premium account ofc) it took me 34 games to go just from tier 8 to 9, and I have nearly aimbot aiming skills :'(

The issue though is the credits. you are making about 500-700k per game, which is really good, but that's not even enough to just buy the t10 on it's own much less the others. That being said you could probably go free xp only and play a premium t8 and do it in not that many more games

From the point of view of a person who had never a penny in this game, 22 games can only get me to T4. Using the Brits BB as an example, I used nearly a year to get to the Conq and I even started at Orion. Sure I played only a few matches (no more than five) per day and from the Monarach to Lion and Lion to Conq I did used a lot of FXP(80k for 8 to 9 and 110k from 9 to 10).I seldom had premium account and I had just 2 premium. However I'd been in the game for more than 3 years. Sure if you are an old/rich player you can do that but for me, nah. First I don't have access to such great amount of camos/signal, so do premium account, which would lead to some credit/Fxp problems as far as I can remember, I'd never make profit since T8. The last problem is the captain, correct me if you started out from a Lv1 captain cus from the start I think you are using a 19pt cap, which could bought you huge advantages compared to your teammates who may just running 7pt cap and don't even know about captain skills/cap build.

t6 bayern to t7 GN took me 4 games random running every flag going....i believe him .definately possible. i like your channel man nice cheers from london uk.

Spending $80 to get to T10 is absurd to begin with

Good Video, and yes if your willing to spend money, one can advance faster, but it's fun to just grind it out, and watch video's like yours and others. I find it harder at the lower tiers because without flags and so on the point's add up real slow. I have a challenge for anyone who has the time. See how long it would without any special items other than a stock capt, and only the flags and camo you win in game, to grind the American DD line from tier 3 to 10. I am trying myself, and it's not easy. I'll let you know how I make out, Thanks and keep the videos coming.

flambass did this in 24 games without buying any containers, using an of the camos and signals that a brand new player would not have and researched ALL components on all ships. When i first started it took me approx 240 battles for my first Tier X. It's just too easy now.

How many games it will take you when you start new account and without paying WG a dime?

Hmmm, well, that may be for an average player but suppose we have a newbie who doesn't realize that random battles are probably easier to play than coop battles (because you have less of people shooting, torping, and ramming you)? How long would it take for co-op battles? I will attempt to answer that though I am a below average player thanks to loss of sensation in left fingers. I will start a new account today and play 5 battles a day with no financial investment to see how long it takes. You can consider my results a pretty reliable "floor" on the matches for Tier 10. 1st day tier 2 2178 XP to tier 3 2,254,000 credits. Using Dresden.

Should I feel bad now that it took me 500 games for the same grind?

Is there a differenc if I play "Co-Op Battle", "Random Battle" or "Ranked Battle" ?

I unlocked the Zao about a year or more ago when you could only put a few flags on your ship. It probably took me a month playing every day to get from tier 1 to 10 using only free consumables and premium time. They should only allow the unlimited flag stacking to tech tree ships after you've unlocked the last ship in the line.

Meanwhile, I just started playing again and have 31 battles in the Benson alone and no where close to next tier

People shouldn't be surprised. Flambass already showed it can be done in 20 games, in his case due to signals, flags, camo and his skills. People who don't understand the game mechanics will protest but that's how it is atm. Flambass didn't start with 70K FXP but like you said, it doesn't make that much of a difference.

This guy goes from tier 1 to 10 in 22 matches, and there is me who’s done 750 battles and not at a tier 10 yet, though tbh I have stopped at tier 7 and 8 for some lines as I found it unfun and I have as my luck is in the negative. The highest I’ve reached is tier 9 lion before you all ask.

You are making me seriously consider giving warships a go again after like 2yrs of letting it collect digital dust... albeit it much caution; and yes i'm more of the "somewhat average joe" not "paying to win", don't use camo's, flags etc... and my 2 single highest are the French T6 Cruiser(which i really enjoy playing despite it being a touch squishy) and the American T6 CV(had it before the CV rework and did trash due to how high skilled they were then and kinda afraid to play it since the changes and the toxicity they attract). Should i give Warships another chance??

i never used flags before so i didnt know you could stack them, that is op. also being able to get 70k free xp from $80 in containers which also give you the ability to get 12k xp/free xp per game is strait up p2w. i imagine getting to t10 on f2p account could be kind of fast still, but not nearly as fast as you have to go earn all of those flags or pay the price in silver

It took me 2003 battles to get to my first tier 10, although I have progressed to tier 8 at least in most of the lines

How many credits did you make along the way? XP is not the only factor in limiting levelling.

I can get 40-50k a battle with mosaic cammo and flags and im not a great super uni player

Good going. Only possible with the spring sky camo tho. A camo which I have yet to see in my inventory despite being a 5 year veteran in this game. How does one obtain that one?

Sea Lord is correct on this. My win rate is around 60% and I can finish a tech tree in around or under 20 games with no issue. The idea this is only a thing unicom or super unicom players can do is inaccurate to say the least. If you run any match maker program in games above Tier 8 you will find matches with multiple players with under a thousand games on both teams. Worse is CV players having under 500 games in CV. Even if the CV player on the other team is average at best with over 2k battles under their belt this places a hudge advantage to that team. Games at Tier 7,8, and 9 tend to be the sweet spot. Tier 10 for the most part is awful as this is the tier many new players aim to achieve and rightly so but without even the most general understanding of game mechanics. The player that shoots a broadside Yamato with HE from Kremlin, the 150 battle CV player in Shokaku that cries in chat DD Tier 10 AA is OP when trying to strike but not understanding the Kremlin and Dei Moines next to him creates additional AA bubbles not to mention do not fly through flak, the player that shoots AP to the bow in Salam versus using HE. We have all seen scenarios like this and it has gotten worse being a large factor for blow outs. Another subject on this not touched is some argue for skill based matchmaker. I am strongly against this. Having a team of all unicom players or bad players will be boring. What I am in favor for is using skill based formula to ensure we do not see matches of like two divisions of unicom players face a team of mostly reds. Win or loss that scenario is not fun with the match ending relatively quickly. As long as the skill based matching ensures the skill balance is not overly tipped in favor of one side that would help.

To put this all in perspective when the game first released I got it and bee lined straight for the midway (Sorry was pre rework carrier scum) on a standard account with premium from halfway through tier 8 onwards. This was with almost no signal flags except those gained on the way. This was with the old US aircraft carriers tier 4 to 9 with 30 games to tier 4 so im using wargaming stats for me so they are accurate as I haven't and now cant go back to play them. It took me 569 games to reach tier 10 and now some people can do it in 22. To be fair this run by mountbatten cost $80 and his premium and pre existing equipment so is incredibly unrepresentative of most players. But the difference of first run to one of your last tech tree grinds is mad

me still being at T9 after 400+ games Mountbatten grinding a T10 in 22 games

I'll never spend that kind of money in a game to reach tier 10 only to have the ship nerfed. Enjoy the content and the game but not their game prices

Yeah it is pretty easy to do this. With good camos and the special flags like Ourobors and average player like me can do 10k-20k of both normal and free XP per match. That is 20-40k exp per match easy. The problem is getting hold of those flags because they cost serious money to get. Also another issue is credits, you would have to buy credits for cash as well. Overall if you were a new player, it would be my guess that you would have to spend something like $400 buying boxes and credits to do something like this. That is too bad because the grind is pretty miserable without the flags if you ask me.

I have over a 1000 games now and still don't have a tier 8 lol. Mainly I keep trying different lines and ship types. The peak of fun for me is around tier 6. After that the CVs and Sonar ships just suck all of the fun right out of it for me.

Now try doing it with no premium, no special flags and a camo like ocean soul and you'll do it in 100+ games... Welcome to the hell that is free to play

I don't see the kreigsmarine bundle/container. Did it get removed?

I can confirm that what you say is true as I got the same amount of rewards after mounting all the flags on my Akizuki

Now try to doit without a dime... Just pure stock ships... That's for true men's 😎

In October of 2022, I wonder if this can still be done. 🙂

That's absolutely possible, especially with the soviet bb line, vladi took me a while, but i think i only spent 3 or 4 matches from Soyuz to Kremlin. One shooting t10 cas really help

Actually, Sea Lord, you did it in 18 (unless WoWsnumbers is lying to me, which I can believe). But the main issue with this is that, technically, you handicapped the wrong resource. Sure, only using FXP from the battles and containers makes sense, but there's also a monetary concern you didn't have- credits. Credits are by far the most common gate, both to upgrading and uptiering ships. It used to be worse before the consumables rework that made all consumables premium and free, but there's still probably a few extra battles being played for the express purpose of grinding credits that you could skip because you play the game so often and have all these premiums. Even Spring Sky + every special signal in the game on a 100K+ T10 battle can't match up to a T9 premium's credit earning potential (and if you have the Missouri, that's even more credits differential). I'm not trying to take away from what you did- the XP gains are absolutely ridiculous- but I'm pointing out that having so many credits beforehand also kind of makes a problem for itself: You aren't taking into account extra grinding for credits to buy upgrades and the next ship in the line. This is _especially_ true if you have a ship you like and want to keep, like I did with Bismarck (my favorite ship ever constructed). It took me forever to grind out the credits for the FdG after grinding the XP, even with playing multiple premiums, because even with the discount my clan gets me, 11 million credits is no easy sum to get. Again: Not taking away from what you did. Just pointing out that credits are a much bigger hassle than all these powergrinding videos make them out to be.