World of Warships - Pants On Head Stupid 

I mean considering that for years now sonar has been able to detect ships on the other side of an island. Not being able to detect a submarine with sonar seems pretty on point for War gaming.

Sonar not being able to do what it was invented to do, is hilarious

Summarising WG's attempt to shoe horn subs into the game perfectly there

Jingles says, "Hold my schnitzel..." Well, as a 22 year Navy veteran, I guess he would have experience with that... ;-)

Heavy is the head that wears the pants .

Now we need a replay by Bandit with smokey. together they go east bound and then down loaded up with Ap.

Jingles laughing so hard is entertaining by itself.

Jingles : "The Prinz Heinrich is a pretty good ship" *sad gneisanau noises in the corner* Definitely one of the rare moments where gneisanau is not made fun of

Submarines were what finally drove me away from Wows, between them and carriers it's just less fun now.

Yup. Navy vet myself. The idiotic submarine system in this arcade game was the straw that broke the camel's back for me and after many years of playing ... caused me to quit the game forever. It was fun while it lasted.

What if another company would make a similar game that has the best parts of wows and has fun hightier games, logical radar/hydro. And a mm where the player can set parameters to what to que for..

Thanks for posting my replay... and yes know i am not a good player XD.... to my defence... through much pain, i learned the the P. Hindrich has horible inaqurate guns at all but very close range, wich does the you get more consintant dmg with HE, un less you a soft cruiser ocf... But thanks for doing my replay... and it is okay to laugh at me, i do to XD

I've had this ship for a while now, a secondary build on it is HILARIOUS.

Two things why I dont play WoWS anymore, submarine and unlimited planes.

"Pants on head stupid?" *sees subs in this battle... "...oooohhhh"

I've been playing this game on and off forever, but I'm horrible...and I'm OK with that. Recently downloaded it again and I'm just grinding at Tier III and IV to try getting better. But...I start every battle with the following chat message: "DO IT FOR REAR ADMIRAL JINGLES!!!!!"

You gonna bring back the ELITE: Dangerous vids?

I love how I just don't sleep at night now and have been early for every jingles vid for the past month by sheer chance

Love your work sir. Just a side note on the Asia server. I re-started playing the game 2 months ago. In that time I have played exactly 4 games without CV's. Last Friday night there were 51 CV's waiting at tier 10... A lot of players need to get a life and stop this madness.

A couple of things re: the submarine: -Hydroacoustic search employs a hydrophone (i.e. is passive), and is not a SONAR system. This carries its own realism foibles that aren't represented in the Ship Game, but it's still an important distinction to make. -The submarine is most likely at 30 m or 60 m, reducing its detectability by hydro to 2 km. However, it can be detected by hydro if the ship is close enough. -Giving away your position by pinging that close is *begging* for depth charges right up your aft tube. That our hero today didn't drop both airstrikes on that ping source immediately is honestly a pretty big misplay.

Scharnhorst says: "hold my schnitzel" ! 😂😂😂😂😂

Hydro Acoustic search, specifically designed to detect submarines. But doesn't. Hydro is also not capable of seeing through islands, but does. Radar is also not capable of seeing through islands, but does. Wow! The realism! It's like they've really thought it through.

EH HEM! Well Jingles im glad we agree on something, SURFACE SHIP Hydro in World of Warships Will only detect a sub at 2kms regardless of depth, and EVERYONE thinks its fucking stupid. (because it is.) Meanwhile a SUBMARINES Sonar will detect a enemy sub out to 5 or 6kms, Let that sink in for a moment. A Submarines Hydro can detect a Sub at 2 to 3 times the distance of ANY Surface vessel even though said hydro can detect both torpedos and SHIPS though islands. (i suspect WG though that if Hydro could find subs at make range, everyone would ALWAYS pick hydro and subs would whine about it, cant have that now can they?) As for the homing torpedos, The Homing torpedos only home in to a Certain range and then stop tracking, I think its 2kms for battleships the tracking stops. The range at which the tracking stops depends on ship type.

I clicked this video 10 seconds after it became available. It already had a like. LOL. salt mine miners gonna mine.

Actually Jingles. I think at Periscoep the Sonar does Detect Subs at Full Range. And at below Periscope its 2km Range. And Funny enough that is actually Accurate. In WW2 Sonar was Expected to only be able to Detect a Submerged Submarine about 2000 Meters away :) So while this is likely a complete Coincidence. WoWs is actually weirdly Realistic there xD

oh god.. imagine how they are going to handle Italian light cruisers, 24 guns with 18s reload and 33mm pen

Yeah Jingles the whole Submarine/Sonar/Homing Torps/Depth Charges thing is totally borked and bears no resemblance to reality at all. WG really broke the game here, even more than they did with CVs.

War Gaming has an arcade ship game. Cool. But sky-cancer and underwater-cancer not operating in any sense of the real world at all is very irritating. I played a game yesterday with a Cruiser, and each side had THREE underwater cancer-units, plus a carrier. Hilarity did not ensue. It was not technically a rage-quit, because I was just frustrated. With a sigh, I went to play something less broken.

Broken sonar, and the subs have Mark 48 mod 1 torpedoes in 1950...sounds about right.

Ah, they have taken a good game (2 if you include WOT) and made it crap. Oh to be able to have a version from however many patches ago without all the crap...

I would like to point out that the hydro special ability in World of Warships is - more likely than not - actually referring to the device known as a hydrophone, which is very much a different thing than sonar. Hydrophones are used to listen to soundwaves in the water, and detect ships (or in this case, submarines) by picking up on the noise of their propellers. As a navy veteran, Jingles should probaby have known this, so shame on you good sir, for spreading misinformation about what hydro is! 😁

Lol.. why would you ever think that WG would care about accuracy or balance..

I main German BBs and didn't know my hydro can't detect subs...

yes early morning Jingles vid. Thanks for the excellent content

Morning sailors 🫡

As a person who was in Royal Thai Ground Forces. I am pretty sure Sonar suppose to detect subs at certain amount of distance.

Actually Jingles, if the Submarine was at periscope depth, he would have been spotted by hydro since on the surface or at periscope depth, hydro spotting for Subs is the same as its max range. However, submerged subs can only be detected at 2km with hydro. So the U-69 was just spamming homing torps from underwater since that's the only way he can attack from that depth, not that T6 subs have regular torps in the first place.

Jingles, you mentioned the Submarine at 8:20 being spotted because it surfaced. That's not quite right. At 8:16, the friendly U-69 used their 'Submarine Surveillance' and as if by magic, the enemy U-69 appeared.

Could be worse. I had a total nightmare match with 2 CVs and 4 subs in a Kii.

if it wasnt for the fantastic commentary- this gameplay was horrible to watch - no AP - questionable movments and sheer luck in regard of having your enemies making stupid mistakes... nonetheless enjoying ! Thanks Jingles

Pretty sure the Nagato was attacking the other Heinrich because that was the one he had a firing angle on. To get that same firing angle on Smoky, he'd have to show completely flat broadside to the first Heinrich. Of course, he shouldn't have been trying to get all his guns on either of them, but even bow in, he'd still get more of his guns on the other.

Hi and greetings from Germany. I got a question for q&a . Have you ever been intrested in the british military governing of the nothern german states after ww2? I once visited a german museum dedicated to honor the british military, and i found it very intresting to learn how governing without politics looks like.

I love pants on my head.

Close but no cigar... That's what Monica Lewinski said to Jenifer flowers lol. For you youngsters out there: those were two of Bill Clintons ahhh... well you know... escapades? Conquests? lol

07:03 "Colossally dumb" Jingles don't you love WG physics? Don't you know the hydro effect is done for balance? Sarcasm aside, it is the same problem of detecting a ship either by hydro or radar on the other side of an island. It is just lazy programming.

I now aspire to be like that Devonshire. Nothing flashy, just doing what needs to be done. Also, Devonshire is one of, if not my favorite ship to play.

Have to disagree with our mighty overlord on standard battle "kinda sucks". Standard battle has facilitated the most entertaining battles in this game. It's the most difficult to have one sided games that end inside 8 min. It allows dds the freedom to do what dds do without worrying about caps. And it rewards patience more than any other mode which encourages a trait that seems generally lacking. Had more games take 20 min, stay roughly balanced in ship count, and come down to last plays point wise.(or at least be close enough that it's either teams game till the end) Just my opinion of course. I'll head back to the mines now. o7 Btw, hydro not detecting subs is enormously stupid! Even if the shorten the range a bit(6k hydro detects sub at 4.5k or something) that would work for me. I get that hydro is a mechanic thats existence and function wasn't designed with subs in mind, and therefore would be unbalanced for the sub player if they just flicked that switch. But to have it do nothing is...well, you said it best!😉

The German battlecruiser line was a lot of fun to play through - looove those 360° rear turrets! 😎 US standard battleships are simply too slow to escape when they're bottom tier and caught out like that Texas was.... about all you can do is hitch up your man pants and try to takes as many with you as you can.🙄

"How do you fuck that up?" (followed by satanic laughter of schadenfreude). Would love the T-shirt of that one!

And don't forget... their first pampered class can easily take out their new pampered class; automatically.. Also... bashing new player's again, Jingles?

I am the undisputed KING of missing torps from short range. I am terrible at judging where ships will go and underestimating their turning ability. So I can understand missing those torps.

Sonar + WG = Pants on head and pencils in your nose time. "Wubble. Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a "man's a mushroom."

Just 20 seconds into the video, but with a title like "Pants on head stupid", I already know it's going to be a good one.

He shoot another... Witch is full health.... :D :D :D :D So close range... They cant miss.... Right... :D :D :D :D Aaaahh this video.. One of the best 2022 :D :D :D

Fun Fact, the Ship that in WoWs is called "Prinz Heinrich" is a Yorck class Battlecruiser. The Ship that in WoWs is called "Yorck" is a Prinz Heinrich class Heavy cruiser. Yes. They, for some reason, mixed up the names. WTF Wargaming???

years ago. my T5 Minekaze wrecked an enemy team in a T7 fight. I left 1 enemy DD on the map and 3 allied BBs. LITERALLY THE ONLY WAY TO LOSE was if all 3 BBs were sunk. we had too many points and they were too slow to get out of range far enough that the DD couldn't draw them off, circle around and cap before they got back and chased him out. I wish I could remember the DD class but we LOST with less than 5 seconds left. All 3 BBs tried to chase a DD and ate his torpedoes like the hungry hungry hippos they were. Team Chat was BLOWING UP on them, they did not listen. ALL Chat was BLOWING UP on them in Mockery, did they learn, they did not. I hated the player base so much by the time I quit playing this game.

Thank GOD Modern Warfare 2 came out and I can finally break away from this shit game. Thanks WG. You made ActivisionBlizzard look good, by comparison. GGWP

Pretty good imitation of the sound "Kijkduin" Now get rid of the "j/y" sound. (not Kijkduiyn) :) Keep trying and you might even speak a civilised language :D Btw as a brit shouldn't you say ASDIC?

@ 10:00 'Actually Jingles' the Scharnhorst has a 26mm upper bow and stern not 25mm like the German battlecruiser tech tree line @ T7... Jingles what are you doing with that shot gun... nooooooooo

Actually Jingles No German Battlecruisers sacrificed Armor. Thats why the German BCs battled the Hrabd Fleet head on and survived, bar one, while British BCs exploded when you looked at them funny (yes ammo handling was also a problem, and the Germans used pretty resilient cartridge charges, the british used Bagged charges. The German BCs sacrificed broadside weight. Basicly while the british build a BC by stretching a BB, loosing Armor and loosing a Turret, the Germans stretched it kept the Armor, reduced Gun caliber and lost a Turret. Only the Derfflingers had the same Gun as their parallel BB, loosing only the 5th Turret. Before them BCs had 281mm vs 305mm, after it was 350mm vs 381mm, the Mackensen class vs the Bayerns. After that 381mm to 420mm, the Ersatz Yorck, the Last class of Major German warship actually built, if not finished, vs the L20e Battleships. Which were not even named or started.

A bit of a rant here, read if you want or not. I always like historical accuracy, and also not for it at times when it comes to games, like World of warships (and yes I'm talking to those who think that shells in WOWS needs to be like World of Tanks, there's a reason why in WOT's the second shell is considered "premium ammunition" and "credit eaters" I don't think we need THAT in WOWS just for "historical accuracy") as well as War Thunder, because at the end of the day, it's a game not a history book. However! If there was one thing, I wish that was historically accurate, it would be the dam sonar and Subs....I like subs, I find them fun, but seriously man...they are TOO overpowered either playing against or as Subs. Usually I just guess were the subs are (because of the water dispersion) and make my adjustments, but even then. I've had games where the Sub was literally like 5ft away from me, but I couldn't do anything about it. Because...being in tier V with no way to kill said tier VI Sub while it's underwater, because ships like Omaha don't have Depth Charges etc you end up dying because repair party is on CD. The only way then is to get so close to them to force them to surface or to literally drown them viva ramming. So yea, I wish Subs were changed because atm they are too overpowered and not really fun for those who play them and those who go against them. Also What's next? Oh wait yea...we're getting "stun bombs" for CV's soon so I guess we don't have to wait for more stupid crappy overpowered stuff to make this beloved game more unenjoyable. This is what I joined the game for back in 2014 on CBT...overpowered Subs, paywall events and Stun Bombs..COOL. Anyone remember when you could farm for events just by playing the game? Like the Benham or the Hill during the Master of the Water World event? Now if you want the ship from said events, you need to spend over 25-30k doubloons for it. They love adding stuff that no one asked for but the actual stuff people ask for gets ignored. Sigh, WG when will you ever learn?

It's not actually a Sonar Consumable, its Hydroacoustic Search, meaning its a Hydrophone its sound detection

Speaking of shit that doesn't work the way WG thinks it does, have you seen the Devblog for the new Pan-American cruiser line? It reads like the front inside cover of an alternate history novel; you know, like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. They will be adding more magic spells to these ships and calling them "Battle Orders" or some other tripe. You see: A battleship at max range. Roll for initiative. I started playing WoWs right after launch in the Friendly Fire/Enabled, RTS CV, no concealment penalty for fring your guns era of the game. You know, when you could sit at 14km in a Khaba and farm a Montana to death without him ever seeing you? If WG offered that version of the game to us, a Vanilla version if you will, I would play that game all day long over today's version. How about you?

Jingels i love your content but seriously you go for HOLD MY SCHNITZEL to refrenz THE land of beer ... as a german i formaly protest 😉

The day wargaming starts making its game off real logic is when real better players such as myself and Jingles would enjoy the game if they did but this is Wargaming we are talking about 😂

Yes! World of Warships! Where sonar sees through land but cannot see through water! (and as far as what is going on in these battles goes, most players are now noobs, with less experience, as most of the veteran players have left, having become fed up with all of WGs crap. So expect to see more noob mistakes in your next "MANGLES WITH JANGLES" video!

Playing ranked T5 is more enjoyable than CV+Superships+Subs at high tiers, and T5 ranked is a shitshow.

@The Mighty Jingles 4:12 The ship Kijkduin sounds closer to "kike down" rather than your "kike dine".

I didn't know that people played this game with a controller on PC... Seems like a major handicap. But GG Smokey.

13:09 oooohhhhh yea. Please excuse me whilst I change my trousers. I pissed myself with laughter since sonar doesn't do the thing it was invented to do and jizzed myself at the bitch slapping of GARGANTUAN proportions on that Ranger.

Sonar does detect subs but ship and sub speeds determine how accurate that detection is..

Heinrich is a ship I have love-hate relationship with... The armour is OK, but still has a nasty tendency to eat weirdly huge chunks. The main armament is deceptively weak - German battlecruiser AP is absolutely horrible - so against battleships, the odds are massively stacked against you - because you have to rely on relatively low damage German AP. Secondaries are fine and torpedoes are also wonderful. So you are, in theory, a well setup brawler. BUT there comes the speed. 28 knots is just barely enough - most of the ships of the same tier already reach similar speed, and from Tier VIII (which you will see A LOT), you will see a lot of battleships that can either reach, or significantly exceed that speed. That means, that Heinrich kind of fails at key principle of a Battlecruiser - being able to effectively disengage when outgunned - in fact, almost every tier 8 outperforms you in terms of speed. So, this means, you are often forced into HE slugfest instead of brawling, because you are not fast enough to get in, and definitely not fast enough to get out. BUT, when stars align well, and when you get a map with decent amount of cover, and you can surprise the enemy or somehow force them to short range engagement... Heinrich can punch well above its weight thanks to secondaries and torps, if you can aim you main gun AP onto softer parts.

Its been 4 and a half minutes, in a top tier P Heinrich, and hes still firing HE...when he overmatches everything in the battle.... I would argue that subs are in somewhat decent state, if they arent played by someone who knows what they are doing, IF and only IF subs wouldnt completely ignore proxyspotting, normal spotting by subs, or hydro at distance above 2km when lower than periscope depth. Its ridiculous. They do die quickly when spotted though.

Wargamming also believes that hydro & radar which can see through islands... It's always been stupid.

The argument about the hydrophone doesn't really have any bearing in World of Warships... a game where subs can't one hit anything, radar penetrates MOUNTAINS, and carriers are only capable of engaging at gun range with a single squadron at a time. Realism went out the window when the game released It's also fairly realistic that the hydrophone might not pick up a sub at that depth, but again... realism doesn't exist...

Battlecruisers are not defined by the size of their Guns. The Prinz Heinrch, had Imperial Germany survived, would have likely been commissioned as a Linienschiff.

How do you Fup a torpedo launch from such a close range? With 280ms of ping and an inaccurate torpedo lead indicator because WG don't give a f to fix it. So you just hope and pray and like every time before you miss. Because WG.

the worst part is, the yolo Kijkduin who died first (surprise surprise) ended up mid in the team score. This only cements his believe, this is the way to play the game. That mutsuki at the end on the bottom.... with only slightly above base 200xp for a participating win.....

For all people going this tech tree... DO NOT I repeat, DO NOT grind for Schlieffen - you will be sorely disappointed (maybe not in rankeds, that I do not know) in Randoms as anything and their mom that takes a potshot on you will chunk you and it will chunk you heavy - your main battery is shitawful and if you decide to get up close and personal to use the nice secondaries, you will get smashed to pieces due to BAAAAD armor on that ship - not worth the grind at all

Jingles, have you seen the latest dev blog on Pan-American Cruisers? It will make you laugh...not.

Every good game requires three ingredients. First, it requires luck. Second, it requires skill. And third, a good game requires an opposing team composed mainly of butt-reaming morons. Considering the developers, this makes perfect sense.

Well jingles, RADAR has been seeing through islands since it was introduced. You and I being in naval services knows damn well how RADAR works and it's not magic.

Thanks it's not a simulator-game. It's an arcade game. It do have some bullet trajectory where most FPS don't.

I don't think I can remember a game where I have been yelling "Switch to AP you lazy git!" at the screen more that this one.

At times I really do wonder how players of Wargaming titles can be so, so unbelievably bad at the game. Like, I'm serious - it's a huge problem. I've played multiple online multiplayer games throughout the years and bad players are nothing new, but they seem to be a whole new level of horrible when it comes to World of Tanks and World of Warships.

WG Logic: A sub in hydro range is invisible...the much smaller torpedoes are visible to the hydro as soon as they leave the the sub's tubes. Because, of course, that's how hydro works.

Why should ASW be able to Fight a sub? That would bei as If AA guns were able to shoot down aircraft. The sonar has been invented to tell a sub where the ship actually is. Such as AA guns are just producing flashes of light for aircraft to find the ships. Or am I mistaken?

Wows is devolving into World of ASW, with the subs just being a bucket of gimmicks to piss off surface ship players.

Hydrophones can't hear submarines and AA can't kill planes. What else is new? They should've just stuck to artillery boats and added maps and modes. If they need money, sell skins and boosters that don't suck.

Sonar and radar detecting ships kilometers away behind an island... Check. Sonar detecting a sub that people could see with a naked eye... What sorcery is that!?

Man I'm really glad I stopped playing like 2 years ago, when the Puerto Rico fiasco came out, and every now and then I watch wows videos and I'm so grateful I don't play it anymore

The subs as they are are complete garbage I refuse to play them, I see where you can screw up and get wrecked but I see the 1 sided good sub player to and it's kinda dirty Hydro NOT Doing What It Should is definitely part of that BS

So sonar can’t detect a submarine…even though it’s underwater…and subs makes noises…as a submariner, I am disappointed and disgusted by that inaccuracy. I will now be playing subs without fear of destroyers using hydro on me

I’m going to give a rundown on basics of sonar, to settle some discussion in here. I am a prior service US Navy sonar technician. Passive Sonar provides data on incoming sound, which usually gives only a bearing towards that sound, but with enough time and tracking, can give a range. Active Sonar sends out sound, which bounces off of a target, and returns. This gives both bearing and range to the target. So the only way a submarine could be completely undetected by sonar, would be to use environmental surroundings to hide. Or… shut down all sources of sound and hope the hunter is not using active sonar. Shutting down all sources of sound would include anything that taps, bangs, or vibrates. Even completely on battery, passive sonar detects rotating electric motors and propellers.

Every time I see a gameplay video of WoWS nowadays, I am strongly reaffirmed that the decision to drop the game back in 2020 was a correct one.

Honestly I love good submarine games and it’s for that reason I loath submarines in wows they are so badly shoehorned into the game they are just boring to play and make the game more annoying for the surface players. Typical WG I guess...

Sonar being unable to detect submarines? Ha! Next you’ll be telling me aircraft carriers have an endless supply of aircraft at their disposal, thus rendering them immune to being deplaned.

A couple comments about submarine dynamics in the game. I the initial torpedos were fired at Heinrich from below periscope depth (notice the change in the size/shape of the tracking dots as they rise to the waterline), and isn't in-game hydro only supposed to spot subs on the surface and at periscope depth? Hydro against submerged submarines I think is also given a shorter range than against surface ships. The torpedoes may not have been homing; there is a minimum distance the target must be for them to do that and he was close. Torps also can only turn so quickly allowing a successful dodge if they were launched too far off from a good initial angle.

I let it slip once, I let it slip twice, but calling this Battle Ship a Battle Cruisers three times within a minute and a half (3:52/4:44/5:11) - is just taking the piss old man! Or, is this a definition I am just unaware of...?

Err actually Jingles, sonar is not the same as hydro... Which for me means that if you are within hydro range but with engines stopped, you shouldn't be detected if you're a sub or a surface vessel.