That story about the captain pisses me off so much... It's so frustrating how militaries around the world are so determined to make themselves look good that they ruin the lives of competent troops...
Believe me, in my opinion every officer who court martial that man should be lined up and shot as traitors, every officer who let the distress call go without acting should have their rank revoked, be dishonorably discharged, and any awards and commendations taken away as well as jail time. What happened was criminal and in a morally just society should have had firing squads.
The commander of the so-called "Lost Battalion", in WWI, similarly committed suicide years after the war. Due to guilt over losing men. This kind of thing seems to be somewhat regular with retired officers who's units were put in bad situations & lives lost under their command.
My wife's grandfather was one of the 317 survivors. Archie Calvin Farmer, 87, of Keller, Texas, formerly of Hot Springs, Ark., passed away on Sunday, March 14, 2010.Mr. Farmer was a survivor of the USS Indianapolis, which was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine in the Philippine Sea and sank in 12 minutes. Of 1196 men on board, approximately 300 went down with the ship. The remainder, about 900 men, were left floating in shark-infested waters.The survivors were spotted four days later with only 317 men still alive. This was the greatest single loss of life at sea in the history of the U.S. Navy. 65 years later, Archie Farmer passed away on Sunday, March 14, 2010 at 87 God rest your soul Archie.
The story surrounding my good lady Indianapolis is fucking disgusting. How dare the brass place blame on the honorable Captain. How dare they Court Martial him with bullshit charges.
The Navy hasn't changed much since then. Look up USS Iowa turret explosion. Brass finally settled on one sailor in the turret who they strongly suspected of deliberately causing the explosion. They publicy savaged his character and memory. Turned out it was old powder charges that became unstable and exploded if rammed too hard.
Disgraceful treatment of the captain by the US Navy. i am glad you shared the story. however, the names of the officers on the Court martial who destroyed his reputation should be aired. I think thats my favourite scene from Jaws.
The navy's ego almost ruined the space program too. They wanted to send the first US satellite into the space without Dr. Wernher Von Braun but they failed pathetically with their Vanguard TV-3.
@@wisdomleader85 yer lol have you seen the video of that. Makes you wonder if they didn't do any Math and just hoped crossing their fingers would make it work
I'm from Indy and there is a memorial dedicated to the crew of this ship and it is located just north of downtown Indy. I've also met several of the surviving crew. The book "Only 317 survived" is also a recommended book.
Hopefully Wargaming will give us the USS William D. Porter, so we can have the most incompetent warship to almost accidentally assassinate the President... twice, and that's not even the craziest parts of her history. Jingles should talk about the Porter and it's ignoble service.
Today is the day HMS Hood was sunk by Bismarck. Never forget. Also this is really great vid, I did not know the story of Indianopolis. Thank you very much.
+Gman You clearly dont know anything about sinking of HMS Hood. It exploded so there were only three survivors who were picked up after two hours after of being in the water. And there are no sharks at Denmark Strait, so your comment is quite idiotic. And is there something wrong about commemorating those who lost their livesin a war?
***** Not saying that, I can tell you surly had those "nightmare" of seeing you best friend blown up by and IED, you say it with experience right, you sound like a damn kid who plays games and thinks it gives him the right to talk about things like this.
Speaking of HMS Hood, how do you think she'll be handled in World of Warships? Since Tier 6 through 8 are so obviously going to be Queen Elizabeth, Nelson, and King George V, I really hope they made a separate battlecruiser branch on the Royal Navy tree so that a ship as iconic as Hood can be a non-premium, and so that British battlecruisers in general get represented.
I am a Seaman in the U.S. Navy and that story disgusts me everytime I hear it. I just hope to God something like that never happens during my time in the Navy.
nepotism and scapegoating are ways of life in any old institution like the military. if you want a recent example, there's the story of the two F-15 pilots who attacked and shot down a pair of Mi-24 hinds flying in the no fly zone above iraq just after the first war. except that they were US Army Blackhawks. they wanted to kill something so bad they ignored all kinds of safety checks, performed one inadequate visual inspection (one of the pilots later saying he was sure it was a hind), then opening fire, and killing 24 americans and allies. the two pilots never saw the inside of a court room. the only one punished was a junior radar operator aboard the AWACS plane that oversaw the engagement. the air force even ignored a congressional subpoena for the pilots to testify.
Unless another massive war breaks out, I would say you are not likely to be aboard a ship that will see the kind of combat that potentially gets a ship sunk.
I am loving all the WoW videos recently. Your commentary on the battles and ship reviews are great. But what I really like are the history lessons and the stories about the what the ships accomplished in their heydays. Keep up the good work.
@@shaftoe195 Well, no arguing he has plenty of movies. I can't help but believe his Uncle Francis Ford Coppola had a little bit of something to do with that. It certainly didn't hurt Talia Shire, Sofia Coppola, or Jason Schwartzman. A lot of people like him as an actor, a lot of people think he's a terrible actor. Let's just agree he's controversial.
@@MartyInLa he is good when he get a good movie with good director He is bad when he accept what ever gig he get to paid off his massive debt due to his insane spending
Oh! Wasn't this the sinking that was first rescued by a Catalina? If I remember, that plane disobeyed orders- hauling up sailors until the plane couldn't fly- keeping lights on at night as to signal incoming rescuers.
Almost. The Catalina did disobey standing orders to land in the water and rescue survivors, 58 of them, more than a few tied to the wings with paracord. It was the USS Doyle who turned on their searchlights, while stationary (so as to avoid running over any survivors) in order to serve as a beacon for other rescue ships, in an area where a cruiser had already been sunk by a submarine. Brave men all.
I had to pause the video after you mentioned the fate of Captain McVay. Such a depressing story. Clenching the toy sailor that was given to him by his father? That's horrible. Jingles, you told us this bit of history exceptionally well!
I hate politics in the military. My sister was an MP in the US Navy. She detained a sailor who was drunk and trying to drive home from a party. Turns out he was an admirals son or something like that. She was dishonorably discharged
+TheRevention When did this happen? I have a friend that's an MP in the US Army stationed at South Korea. He told me in an email that MP officers like him were being introduced to Police-grade Body Cams, this was about a few months ago.
That admiral must have been a short-sighted one. Your sister may well have saved his son's life by not letting him drive in the state he was in, little consolation as it may be to her...
she was stationed in hawaii too. she was some sort of security guard there, but cool 4 days on 3 days off in hawaii? Its like the dream military job. I dont think they would wear body cams off duty
TheRevention Oh that's just unfair. But yeah, it definitely sounds like the work of a High Ranking official in the Navy trying to hide his son's disgrace. If she had a body cam on while off duty, she could have easily uploaded the video evidence onto Vimeo or here on youtube just as a back up.
I'm a late comer to both WoW and Jingles but I have actually spent more time on this channel and listening to all of this incredible background than playing the game! I am a recluse when it comes on online gaming, I follow 1 channel (this one) and this would be my first comment. I hold this channel and Jingles in the highest esteem. I will be watching many many more (probably at work), I haven't found a video I didn't like yet! Keep up the excellent work.
Being a naval enthusiast from Indianapolis this new addition excites me a lot! I had the pleasure of doing the repair work on a 15 foot model of the Indianapolis that my school was temporarily hosting before it was put in a museum. She's an absolutely beautiful ship. Fantastic review as always Jingles.
I feel that Jingles' voice closely rivals the soothing tones of Morgan Freeman. The only way I'd ever watch a soccer game (my least favorite sport), is if all of the commentary is Morgan Freeman and Jingles.
You should shoot ap shells at battleships if they're broadside on (expect with the smallest of guns). Just shoot the upper structure of the battleship and you will do more damage than you'll get with HE. Though it lacks the nice bonus of fires, if you want to reliablely damage battleships who are broadside on shoot the upper part with AP. Don't aim for citadels, because you will bounce. Hope this tip helps someone out there!
Jingles, thank you for the fascinating review of the USS Indianapolis. I always enjoy the background information you provide on the ships you review. I knew of the story of the Indianapolis, but didn't know of the travesty of Captain McVay's court-martial. I'm glad that he was finally exonerated, albeit many years too late. I enjoyed the inclusion of Quint's monologue form Jaws. Keep up the good work, man!
once again jingles another fantastic episode, i love the details you add ever episode. the emdem episode actually drew a tear, as did this episode when i read into the treatment of capt. McVay. you are the only youtuber that gives us the history of these fantastic machines. please keep bringing us these fantastically interesting history lessons with every new vehicle.
Shaw's performance is, indeed, excellent in that scene, and throughout the movie. Due to the problems the shooting suffered (mainly due to the malfunctioning mechanical sharks) tempers frayed a few times on set, and Shaw's drinking didn't help. However, he redeemed himself in that scene, as he had taken Ray Gottlieb's script for it and reworked it himself, then delivered it in basically one take. Keep up the great work, Jingles!
FYI, iChase had confirmation from a RU dev over the weekend that the armor was bugged and the ship sat too high out of the water, and that would be fixed before release - so the armor should perform much better than shown in the video - iChase as well said that if the armor bug was fixed, this ship would be well worth purchasing.
iChase mentioned that as well - but that upon testing, he found that the well around the aircraft hanger was an empty hitbox - same with that flat area of superstructure under # 2 turret - iow, they won't be citadel shot traps.
Pensacola, once again I'm coming to her defence, she is more than a competitor to the Indi. She is a hard ship to play, but most rewarding when you get it right. In fact she is the one US cruiser I bought after reaching Des Moines, because I felt like there was more fun in her than any other cruiser (save maybe St. Louis and Albany). The way to play Pensacola is to constantly look at map and look for isolated targets, which are NOT Battleships. Whenever you are dealing with cruisers, load AP, her guns penetrate even at high angles and their citadel potential is awesome. Since there is a distinct lack of CVs I opted to get the gun fire modificaion which increases her accuracy even more, and you can get "laser like" shots even at extreme range. The second most important thing in Pensacola is learning how to aim. It might sound rough, but most people suck at aiming, because Pensacola's predecessors require only pointing guns in the vague direction of enemy and firing, if you miss it's no big deal, you have another salvo in 6 seconds or so, but in her, if you miss you're in trouble. From the 10 shells you fire 6 hits are a must, 8 should be a standard, if you're aiming at cruisers and BBs. Ok so now how to deal with each ship you may encounter. BBs. Avoid them if you can. If you can't, look at what tier that BB is, if it's lower or you can get plunging fire (DANGER, explained later) stick with AP. There are Colorados which citadel said Hi to my shells on more than one occasion, if closer load HE and ALLWAYS wiggle. Staying at exreme angles helps as well, but be careful not to sail too close, wait for a BB salvo, then turn around and continue to wiggle and wiggle and wiggle. Now to the danger. I have bounced BB shells in Pensacola. Don't ask me how, but it happened, however the most dangerous thing a BB can do to you (aside from you showing her broadside, which is your fault) is plunging fire. Any hit from above is a citadel. Doesn't matter where the shell hits, it will penetrate deep. Cruisers. Hunt those buggers down. Keep your angle and you can laugh at the enemy because they will not expect bounces from you (especially german cruisers are yummy) and BE PATIENT. It is no good to blow a salvo on an enemy who is turning away, look for broadsides and exploit them to the max. If you know where and how to aim you can get mutliple citadels in one salvo (usually 2) and after loosing 11K hp any cruiser would think twice about engaging you again. DDs. Anticipation is the key here. You can't reload your guns as fast as you want to, so load HE in advance. Then you have to learn to lead well. Don't zoom all the way in, use the mousewheel to get a bit further, since the DDs are so fast you might not see what he is doing, when you aim. Pensacola's guns are extremely accurate at closer ranges and she can (assuming that you are at angle where you can fire all your guns) sink a DD in 1 - 2 salvos or 3 salvos when using only foward guns. Pensacola is also suprisingly maneuverable and she dodges torpedoes like a boss. CVs. This is basic... Use AA consumable when there are TB in range and DON'T FORGET to set TB as main priority for AA, lastly turn like hell into them even if that means you have to expose your broadside (you're taking a chance with the enemy who is shooting at you versus a certanity of a torpedo hit). Lastly her secondaries are ok as well, especially if you take the captain skills that buff them (as well as AA), so if you are in trouble they might save you bum. Overall I am in love with this ship. She packs enough punch to be a threat to every ship she might encounter unlike NY or Baltimore who have to deal with much larger healthpools than Pensacola and their guns are not much of an improvement.
The problem with your great guide: Most of the time there IS no isolated target and you are a big fat visible target for everybody, so multiple enemys will go for you very soon. You are top priority for battleships, so good luck avoiding all of them. And proper aiming or waiting for the perfect shot is the last thing you can afford when targeted by multiple enemys.
This all is avoidable - at the start of the battle you simply can't go all ahead full, you have to stay at BB levels or as a second line cruiser, abusing your excellent accuracy. Jingles states that Indy is nimble and maneuverable and unfortuntely I can't compare her to Pensa (since obviously she isn't avalible yet), but from playing a lot of Pensacola, I can tell that you can and should dodge incoming shells from BBs. Once the big boys are duking it out between each other, you have multiple choices... Support your BBs agaist enemy BBs by providing HE hell and if you can reliably hit plunging fire, you can stay in AP mode. Second thing is hunting cruisers... Once someone is engaged with your other ships they are not likely to switch to you. Third is protect your BBs against destroyers - while Pensa doesn't have the radar, she has more turrets and can "spray" an area better than Indy. The only obvious drawback to Pensacola is her concealment raiting, which I simply can't comprehend... She has a light cruiser hull and practically a BB concealment raiting.. Why?
Islands. They're OP. Use them. The only times I really struggled with my Pensacola were games on Ocean (because no cover) and Strait (Because first cruiser spotted unless you do a u-turn at the start) and T9 battles (which is normal for a T7 cruiser)
Ah yes, the Pepsicola. The guns were nice but compared to other cruisers, it really became a matter of not being in line of sight of a battleship who wasn't in a BB duel. I play BBs primarily and I always turn my guns to a Pensacola because citadel penetrations from the front never get old and a decent salvo can one shot them. Sold it for the NO as soon as I could. It played better than I remembered from CBT but it isn't a ship I'd keep in my port. I'm liking the New Orleans better armor vs cruisers and radar abilities. Too bad CV players are a dying breed; I heard that the next patch is going to buff AA firepower along a broad spectrum of ships. Don't know how true that is, they frequently lie in chat. :P
dear jingles as a normal person who enjoys watching video games and history i thank you very much for making and putting the time in to show the historical events that happened to that ship. i had no idea before today. :( your a good man jingles.
if i ever find jingles in a random battle of world of warships, im gonna write in the chat "TRIFFILING GNOME !, YOU FACE JARAXXUS !, EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION !" ( i hope jingle gets the quote...)
+The Mighty Jingles As much as I love most of your videos Jingles could we War Thunder fans get more than two every eight months please? I'm not currently aware of any reason you might have for why there's been a prolonged lack of
There's also the fact that he keeps getting spotted on War Thunder and can't have a decent game on it because of dozens of players either following him or singling him out to destroy..
My father served 20 years in the US Navy, my brother was in the Navy and my grand-dad was a Marine, so I knew I was joining the Navy. Until I saw Jaws. I spent 25 years in the Army instead!! Once you get ankle deep in the water, you're now at the >bottom< of the food chain! Cheers!!
A wee bit of trivia: these alleged shark attacks are far more likely to have been sharks feeding off the corpses of already dead sailors and a number of so called 'test-bites', whose wounds certainly can be fatal (and were in some cases), but are not to be mistaken as an attack. That said, the shark species most likely to have been the main perpetrator in the sinking of CA-35 is believed to be the oceanic whitetip shark, which is known to be very liberal in its choice of food and can descend into a feeding frenzy (due to the general lack of readily available food in the open ocean, so get what you can when you can). Whilst certainly still not even close to the much propagated killing machine stereotype (whitetips don't prey on humans, our low content in fats is an alien taste to most shark species and would be like a human biting into ... whatever alien stuff you don't typically bite into), a feeding frenzy on say drifting dead sailors is very likely to have been the cause for the much inflated horror stories about shark attacks on the surviving members of CA-35. Why might this be interesting to know? Because 'Jaws' is a bioeconomical disaster whose (umintended but nontheless tragic) misrepresentation and subsequent paranoid public reactions and shark hunts caused were an almost extinction-level event for shark populations worldwide. Also, don't eat sharkfin soup. It's bad for you (no really, it is, shark meat is rich in mercury and incorrectly processed meat is also rich in ammonia). Oh, and Jingles, actually ... there are sharks around in the british waters. Most of them a seasonal visitors, but that's not the point ... Jingles? Jingles, please put that oxygen tank away, Jingl-
I don't normally comment on your videos and i doubt you'll see this but i wanted to say thank you for your incredibly informative reviews of new ships. Your reviews and information transcend the divide between pixels and numbers and what these ships were in the real world and what they meant/mean to so many people. You bring them to life. Keep up the excellent work mister ;-)
+mulletbaby01 King ought to be posthumously stripped of all rank and accolades. Anyone aware of his actions should have the same consequences. He directly caused the death of an honorable sailor due to his petty vendetta.
Nah, blaming the ever bad Russian is easy, everybody likes it. Actually accepting that your own Navy is so bloody corrupt can be very unpleasant. HBO is after the hype, so they like to tell stories yielding universal approval from their main audience - American/Europen viewers.
Jingles, why did you use a picture of the I-400 class subs for the I-85? Also, have you seen the leaked WoWS screenshot of the Arpeggio of Blue Steel version of the I-401?
There aren't a lot of good pictures of I-85 when I looked on Google, so I assume he used this as a substitute. Also, as some folks mentioned in other comments, he mixed up his numbers, he said that I-85 sunk the Indianapolis when it was actually I-58 that did it.
+Turbo furry Wow, I watched a documentary on that about 3 years ago and I remembered that? Weren't 2 built? But the Japanese scuttled one and the Americans sank one to stop it getting into soviet hands.
these movies are not bad because cage, these movies would had been bad with every actor, cage just loves to be in bad movies and make some of them better :D i mean srsly cage isnt that bad
I liked him on Face Off. But yeah, his choice of films to star in just makes people scratch their heads in puzzlement. Why in the heck would someone want to star in a movie made by a washed up child star (Left Behind)?
My history teacher's father served on the U.S.S. Indianapolis between July 23, 1942 to July 30, 1945, he was one of the 317 survivors. He came in and told a few of his stories, very kind and openhearted person.
Man i loved the movie Jaws. I was 5 when i first saw it. When my father took me and my siblings to Ocean City, my dad would make us sit down and watch that movie before we went to the beach. That seen you played was my favorite part. Still one of my favorite movies of all time.
Anne Alexander eh? if it's 'a' bismarck you want then buy the tirpitz, she's a bismarck class battleship. identical to the bismarck in every way that matters.
There are two things of note. After the court-martial, Fleet Admiral Nimitz refused Captain McVay's sentence and kept him on active duty. McVay retired four years later as a Rear Admiral. Second, the wreckage of the Indianapolis has been found on 19 August 2017.
WarGaming bring out another new premium ship. Yet they have still not rebalanced the Atlanta to make it more competitive. Oh and don't send me the link to how to use the Atlanta. I know exactly how to use the Atlanta. It's still garbage.
Ehh.... I fear her if I'm in a Destroyer, but in anything else... AP melts her if it's anything smaller than a 203, and 203's and up will citadel her easily. I've heard she's a fun ship, but a good one? I dunno. All she has is the ability to wipe out Destroyers and rain HE on other ships.
+Phoenix jz try AP into brain dead IJN cruisers that turn broadside to bring all their guns on you, at 7km you can start hunting cits on cruisers and your INSANE dpm will just melt them
When they're behind a good island cover and I can't get an approach to engage, they rain HE death on my Nagato and other BBs. Not under-powered, situational.
Great history lesson, shocking, but really enjoyed it. And Robert Shaw's performance in that scene always makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
Some of the best work you have ever done Jingles. Very nicely done. Thank you! Also I think that whole monologue wasn't in the script and was improvised.
I think I was 13 years old when I saw that movie, funny thing was I went swimming at a local beach about a week before I saw it... and that is the very last time I ever swam in the ocean. To this day I will not swim in a sharks house...I am now 53....that is one hell of a powerful movie.
She's so beautiful, even though I bought HMS Belfast I still keep drooling over Indianapolis but I think it's a bit overkill with two premium tier 7 cruisers when I've yet to unlock a single BB at higher tiers. She's still beautiful though...
I had a teacher, years and years ago, that said that the original message was probably ignored because of the top-secret nature of its original mission. They weren't "supposed" to be out; her mission was too secret. On the other hand, the idea that you talked about, gross incompetence, is easier to understand, and even easier to believe.
Awesome insight and review of such a historical ship. Unfortunately Indianapolis had such a tragic ending to its ship. Thank you for your videos they are fantastic. Enjoy your day Jingles.
Hey Jingles, I live on Martha's Vineyard and am old enough that I was alive and a kid when Jaws was filmed on my island. You mentioned the filming scaring you and keeping you out of the water. Me to : ) I did not swim for the entire summer. Another thing, I remember fishermen who were very much like the character portrayed by Robert Shaw in the film. His character is an accurate portrayal of a type of fishermen back then.
Wow. Great history lesson. I Looked this up to learn more about the ship i just brought. And how to play it properly. >_> I will forever remember this every time i play this ship. God rest the souls of the USS Indianapolis. o7
"The Devil's Voyage" By Jack Chalker is an absolutely hair raising account of this debacle. Historical commentary on this one is very divided. Keep showing us where we've been.
My parents took my brother and I to see Jaws while on vacation on the outer banks of N. Carolina. And what did they do on the way back to the camper (caravan) . Yep, you guessed it, a midnight stroll on the beach. Of course wading thru the surf over the objections (crying and screaming) of my brother and I. I could be found at the pool for the rest of the vacation/holiday. Thanks mom and dad. Thanks a lot.
Jingles, I've had some great success firing AP at battleships in the Pensacola, which has pretty much the same guns. The key is that it only really works well against Japanese battleships since they tend to have less consistent armor. I sank a Kongo from full health in my Pensacola once, with several citadel penetrations, firing pretty much only AP. You'll also get decent damage firing AP rounds into the superstructure on some battleships, if it can pen, you wont do citadel damage of course but you'll get around 1k per hit, which is better than you'll do with HE rounds many times.
Hey Jingles, nice video and great historic review. What the Citadels of this Ship concerns is not the Bow or the Stern. As Flamu greatly explains in his video is, that its the Midsection with the open Space where the cranes are located. You see the Funals on each side of that Midsection. If you get hit from Behind or from the Front in that Hangardoors or what that is, it will penetrate the Boilers below the Funals causing max Citadeldamage.
I remember watching mission of the shark. It was a good movie actually and went into good detail of the event. If I recall right Mcvay was made target despite his senior officers defending him, due to his family having powerful enemies within the US navy and it was somewhat a witch hunt. It certainly a sad event. Just being in the salt water that long can kill you and be quite painful as your skin peels away from your flesh. Plus the hunger and thirst. By the way there are many sharks around the UK. The Porbeagle looks like a mini great white. Seems to me the best way to play her is the same you play a Pensacola...dance like you never danced before. Fire, zig, then zag then fire again. The Pensacola is a GREAT DD hunter. I expect if used right the Indianapolis will be a great DD hunter too. Few know how to make the Pensacola shine, I have a feeling few will be able to make this ship shine too. Pensacola is deadly to anything she faces too, I sink BBs in my Pensacola all the time, her AP can pen up to Colorado deck armour. More I see of this video the more I see her as an improved Pensacola. Don't get concealment on your average cruiser...you want xp? get those guns firing and keep them firing.
I was going to try and be scathing when I first heard "I-85"... but good ol' Jingles, you not only recovered, you went on. Thank you for the information regarding the loss of the ship, and anyone reading this comment wanting to look further into the story, I highly recommend the book "In Harm's Way" by Doug Stanton. Warning; it is very, very graphic. As for the ship herself in WoWS... I'm not sure if I'll cough up the money. I think I better just grind towards what could have been her sister, the USS Minneapolis (CA-36, a N'Orleans class).
+The Mighty Jingles One thing to note on the loss of life for the sinking of the Indianapolis - it was the greatest loss of life AT SEA for a US Navy warship. More people died on the Arizona when she went down (1,177) at Pearl Harbor after the Japanese blew her up at anchorage.
