World of Warships- What You Need To Know In Order To Counter Submarines 

Meanwhile CV players: i dont need to know anything, it is automated

Honestly my biggest complaint is that it is another strain on damage con. It's already a skill to use your damage cons properly to deal with flooding and fires. This should have it's own thing - maybe a skillcheck?

How to counter Subs. Step 1: Exit the WOWS client. Step 2: Never come back.

But here's the issue that I find alot in many ships, the ASW plane's range on many ships are VERY short so short in fact that a lot of subs sail right outside your ASW range but they can still ping and torp you. I feel like alot of the ASW ranges should be normalized so you can actively fight back. If you try to sail towards them then you either get hounded by their team or if it's a sub with backward facing tubs, it can run away once you start getting closer.

So in other words if you get a double homing they turn into underwater AIM9-L missiles

My counter submarine strategy of taking a couple months off is currently at 100% success rate.

There’s a button at the top left of the WG Game Center that lets you avoid subs entirely. It’a probably the best feature in the game right now tbh

Yes simple on paper, easy to demonstrate in training room, but now try it in random and don't forget wg said they want them in ALL game mode so now imagine ranked, clan battle and king of the sea

The fact is, a standard subs player, shooting torps from long range ,undetected, deal 10k+ damages whether the target was angle or not and just used the DC , gave me chill and frustration .Don't tell me this stuff suits the game about ships maneuvering around the map for position while 1 guy could afk farming better and took less risk than a smoke up DD/cruiser

The arguments and examples of how to fight subs are the new version of "you can just doge the CVs planes" argument. Sure there are some things you can do in a 1v1 fight against subs. But what happens when you are already engaged with other surface ships. I'm order to deal with the sub you need to drop most other things you are doing. And only god can save you if you are in a ship that doesn't have airplane ASW

A bit of experience: subs at periscope depth are vulnerable to gunfire. Secondary guns on things like german BB or Massachusetts work really well if someone spots the sub

After a few days I can say one thing definitively. This game is deceptively simple looking but incredibly nuanced and detail oriented. Great guide.

Still think subs should take 4x fire and flooding damage. With flooding preventing them from diving of having to emergency surface.

Just do it like me man it's simpler Just don't login

problem with your solution to popping damage con is that the sub will have torps again in 30-ish seconds. What BB can escape from a sub in 30 seconds? so yeah, you will escape the salvo, but the next salvo will sink you.

That Marceau clip was awesome!

The issue is, like with CVs, you can barely counter them... WG either has to shorten the dive time significantly or just remove those stupid homing torpedos. Also, the faster a subarine goes, the bigger the detection radious should be, just like IRL. Just remember, when you play in a ship, you know have to pay attention to other ships shooting you, invisible DDs AND Submarines torping you and CVs murdering you from any direction above... FUN

I see a sub, I run away. WG wants passive playstyle, no problem. Your advice is good in general, but the limited ASW range, the limited time till you can react, the high speed of subs makes it almost impossible to counter them at T10. DDs should not even try to drop charges, that is almost impossible to get over a sub unless you are in the endgame and it has no support. Hydrophone is ridiculous too. It can detect you from miles away so good luck to evade.

How to counter sub 1:uninstall world of warships 2: profit

So group up to reduce damage. Seems like a familiar message that we got when another class was introduced. Lemming trains for the win I guess.

Very good and informative video. on a CA when you see the torps using dcp is already too late - they will still most likely hit you - just for a bit lower amount of damage. Also good subs that use homing torps are stagering the launch of the torps and the pings. They basically launch a 2nd group of torps at 20-40s after the first salvo. And kaunch the ping after the first pings get DCPed. Also they dont launch the 2nd group of torps before getting double ping on enemy so that they will be non guided torps for a while and switch to guided mode with the next ping after DCP

0:48 MB:"...what you need to know to send them to the bottom of the ocean and stay there" .... me: "OH NO, INFINITE BATTERY SUBS!" **boss battle music starts**

YOU FORGOT THE BIGGEST ONE: UK DDs are awesome at sinking submarines: Particularly Lightning! Lightning is super maneuverable, has deadly depth charges especially if you're using demolition expert which you should be anyway for increasing the already good fire chance of your HE shells, You hunt him with your hydro, even though you only spot him at 2k it's not difficult to find him if you've got a clue as to where he is. Your hydro lasts a full 3 minutes, I've sunk 2 "separated" subs within one hydro charge..."Surprise MFer"! You've also got smoke for in case you get spotted in route. Dude! Lightning hunts submarines like no other DD: other UK DDs are good but Lightnings' maneuverability/turn radius/acceleration reigns supreme. One rack of depth charges is usually enough, they hit HARD and because of your hydro are usually well on target. The new subs however have more HP so... maybe use both racks! Hint: use 3/4 or 1/2 throttle to tighten up your turn radius if needed. And hey... Lightning is a fun DD to play anyway! If you're playing Lightning in a sub game, subs are "your responsibility"!

Sounds easy.... until you note the Sub while you are already engaged by a CV or a DD spotting for snipers.

I think a better way to say it is “ once you damage con, they continue on bearing”, they are not “homing” anymore at all unless you are able to get a ping again.

Thanks SLM, will try these tips out and expect better results countering subs.

Excellent teaching job sir!

thanks for the input

Omg that destroyer chase ... I'm dying here ...!!!!!

Playing in COOP forces you to decide whether to run or fight the sub. If there is more than 2 ships and the sub then I run. I die when I make the decision to fight, which usually means no credits are earned or very little. Add into this the CV. A Star Trek Kobayashi Maru no win situation.

I found a better way to counter subs, Started playing other games. First time in a while I played another game more in one day than World of Warships, Assassin's Creed Black Flag is better than I thought, had it in backlog for years.

In a BB i'd rather deal with a sub than a Nakhimov or Haku dedicated to sinking me. But i'd rather deal with any other CV than a sub. And that's with tier 8 subs. Also DDs get the shortest stick here with ship mounted DCs. Nothing more fun than having to charge into an enemy you can't see that can shotgun you dead with 2 torps that go 70 knots. Might try open water gunboating agaisnt a thunderer too at this point.

'Lets Dive on in!' hahaha. Nice one

Counter submarines ? The single most important thing: *ramming speed* Edit: This video is excellent and very informative. It's PQ "Aiming guide" level of quality. Keep up the good work and thank you !

Thanks for the video. The best way to learn to fight against submarines is to play them yourself and learn their characteristics. Same with any other class.

Just dodge...just like CVs.

step 1 change gamemode to co op step 2 play game , step 3 ram sub win xD

Awesome vid

Thank you for the helpfull tips, could you do a video on how to play each nations subs and what there strengths and weeknesses are? Thanks mate.

Radars work very well on vertical metallic uprights, such as yacht masts and submarine periscopes so subs should be detected by any non fully submerged submarine.

Main problem I see is that you hae to be focused on dealing with the DD, while dodging/firing at other surface ships/islands AND planes

The best way to To Counter Submarines ?? Do not play World of Warships. if enough of us will do that - submarines will go away. simple.

I got lucky and sank two subs in one battle with my Tier VII german DD Maas yesterday. If you use depth charges, try to charge the sub from the side if possible, since it cannot fire at you. Also try to close distance fast. Use damage control when the torps are close and evade. then DC the sub. I must add that I was lucky, but they are not as overpowered as they once were.

Oh yes ship debth charges let me sail straight at the sub who can just shotgun me...

Useful! More please! ('returning player)

Are they going to out sonar on DD's? I find it interesting that we have subs with homing torpedoes, but no sonar on DD's and maybe CL as well. Make it so that deploying sonar forces the ship to go slower or whatever, but spot subs a ways away. This way, a team can take out the sonar boat more easily, but the sonar boat can spot the sub.

yeah but subs sit outside of your ASW range. It is a thing at t6 it is a thing at t8 and even at t10 many bbs can not target a sub player who uses its range.

4:30 I thought I was watching a Yuro vid for a second

great surprise to hear mötley in the middle of a wows video

Any moderately competent player in a submarine can easily kill any DD they come across - they can outspot by a mile, they are at least as fast, and to kill a sub a DD must aggressively push into it. By shotgunning bow or stern torps at close range en masse you guarantee a devstrike. The only chance a DD has of killing a sub is if they surprise a sub and essentially end up literally on top of it before the sub can react - which sub players will quickly learn how to easily avoid by simple map awareness. This totally negates the value of DDs in caps and spotting. Subs do indeed get dogpiled if they are spotted, early in the game - but a prudent commander will wait until half the ships are left / distracted and then they can just clean up the middle of the map, wipe out any remaining DDs, etc. This makes submarines extremely frustrating to play against as a DD - I for one will never, ever make the mistake again of chasing down and trying to kill a sub in a DD. Now if one spawns on the same side of the map, I know my game is going to be much worse and much more frustrating. Relying on an enemy's stupidity and mistakes in order to have a fair shot at them is never a good engagement and is exactly why CVs are so widely hated still. Despite the power to easily kill any DD in the game without running a risk of counterplay, a good submarine player still usually has little impact on the game. They may go through a whole game without having a single meaningful interaction, and even if they do, many of those interactions will be a one-shot, one-kill dev strike. So submarines remain incredibly unengaging to play despite the absolutely massive, unhistorical and downright ridiculous buffs they have been handed one after the other. WG has openly stated their logic for balancing subs is not based on interactions, but on the number of players playing them. If

15:18 how do I counter shotgunning if my cruiser doesn't have airstrike asw?

My method? Exit Game. Uninstall.

oh, yes, if you play a CV (yeah, of course no one does that :) ) and you spot a sub without other enemy ships close by, just drop some fighters on the sub. Their AA is normally abysmal, so, for the next 1-2 minutes, if the sub does not dive, it will stay spotted.

Thank you for this explanation. My biggest problem with subs was consistency. I never knew what was going on. Knowing is half the battle...

I mostly use BBs, and have had great success, sinking many subs using HE, and setting the secondaries on them... HE rounds have a "blast radius", and there is even a Captain skill, to make that radius larger...at the expense of something else... HE kills subs!!!

Can you do a how to play the tribal class destroyer that was in the Puerto Rico event. Commonwealth destroyer Huron?

The most stupid thing is the dds cannot launch AS charges ahead ( with one exception, I think) . A dd should be able to target the depth charges 180º or even 360º, in ww2 the worst enemy of a sub was a dd, in this game, a sub can prey on dds at will with those underwater cruise missiles, and the dd little things can do to fight back... such a dumb mechanic !

I've been keeping with my buddy, or a random guy, and if a sub pings, he dies. very helpful

Best method, have most ships in the rear sniping and behind islands but relatively close to the objective then have a sonar DD available to hunt them.

Does deep water torps affect subs?

Should not have homing torps. Just manual once like all others

The Ping "mechanic" is what killed my will to return to the game

Tbh. The subs make an equal impact on the game as a bb or a dd or a ca does. In good hands they can be deadly so can be a bb or a dd or a ca.

do you need to ping your torps or can you just let them go straight?

another tips would be , if you run close to a underwater sub ( from the side) like it as been spotted and you arrive from the side from behind an island for exemple) try to stay on top of it. sure you take a risk that the sub want to surface and ram you, but as long as you stay above or in 2km around or even a bit more, the sub need to either surface/ periscope to launch dulmbfire torp. or back away to use the guided one from deepth

Nice video what the song for the DD chase? I do not hate the adding of subs or carriers as this game seems to be based in WW1, and WW2 navies. And these are as much apart of navies as Battleships, cruisers, and destroyers. Thought I get the hate for them as the game is favoring them to heavy, the other ships have a hard time countering them. With planes some ships lack of AA guns, or the guns they do have got nerfed, and planes always getting a hit no matter what. For subs a lack of ships dedicated to countering them. Now none of this means get rid of them, just fix it. First I think they need to add a refit option for the ships that why players can put on AA guns or add more. For the planes always getting hits AA gun training to give ships a better hit chance to give both ship and plane an equal chance. The ships to shoot all aircraft down or the planes to hit. Second put in corvettes, frigates as they were in WW2 made to hunt subs. Also when a player uses one he gets a group of three ships to command. As sub hunting is never done by one ship. In WW2 the US navy for anti-sub work wanted three or more ships on a sub. This way subs are giving more to worry about and players who hunt them have a chance, with three ships under them.

a vast majority of people don't want them in the game.

Simple, if i'm a sub, i'll just use long-range torps and just salvo them from outside detection range and run away BEFORE i get detected, while staying on the surface, like a DD.

Fundamentals yes.. But as long as the submarine got hands it's impossible to hit, since most at this point drops torps and pings while moving. When the ping in some instances is inacurate, it is a nightmare and you give up. I've seen pings from submarine views, and when it goes from on top to 5-600 m behind, it becomes extremely frustrating. With CV this is about to kill the game. That's why WG started with cross-server, and we see quite a few russians on the EU server.

but did you watch the clip of ahskance getting shotgunned by a submarine, and at 2:08, i thought weegee removed the ability for surface ships to see pings in the water and we can only see that slight underwater visual effect when they ping?

Its 12 months later and Im leaving War Thunder as a Naval Main because y'all have Submarines!!!

yep that Desmoines that "sailed away" got away right?

Of course, when homing torps were a thing, they often turned around and hit the ship that pinged (the sub that launched the torps) - make that a thing and see how many continue to play the cancers ... I mean subs. Not to mention that even before homing torps were common, there was already ways to negate the homing effect, again - this is apparently too complicated for anyone in Wargaming to comprehend (that means to understand). They already have 1940's subs doing 2020 subs speeds. There was a reason subs primarily attacked merchant ships as once they were discovered they were dead by any real military ships -they NEVER outran even the slowest BBs let alone DDs. They are just so fake and so unreal, let's just add UFOs to the game next. Subs biggest fears were planes, yet CVs have had almost zero effect on subs and planes called in over radio can only go a few feet from the ship - that makes so much sense. It makes us wonder if anyone in wargaming graduated the 3rd grade or has an IQ over 60

I think they need to do away with the homing torpedo's all together. Just make subs fire dumb torps like the rest of the ships in this game. That way your not burning a repair especially on ships that only have a few repairs available. To me WOW implemented subs all wrong. Biggest frustration in this game.

Comment section has some pretty interesting take or maybe a lot of people are venting which is understandable. Great Training video and hopefully this helps a lot of the player base to help understand subs and make adjustments. It won't be easy but videos like this helps a lot.

All this is well and good, but being in a BB and getting pinged from beyond you ASW plane range is stupid. I can see the ping origin and not reach it. I burn my damagecon for first lock and now a whole new set of homing torps!!!! thats Got Damm ridiculous. I was on top of a sub with a Fletcher it took 11 depth charges to put him down. So much for the DD counters subs.

I take it that if a sub is at periscope depth there is absolutely no point trying to shoot it with your guns? The only time you can shoot is when the sub is fully surfaced, otherwise you have to do the lame boring and time wasting dance with depth charges?

Subs are zero fun to play and prevent offensive game play for everyone as well. Sitting in a BB in the back for most of the game for example. Then the repair nonsense, the maneuvering to avoid torps and get slapped by others instead. So positioning play gets destroyed as well. DD gameplay against subs is useless as well. You have to be very lucky to survive a sub engagement in order to destroy them. It sucks to have them in the game! WG stated for a very long time, implementing them, would break the game. It did. Well done WG!

imagine has to deal with sub in real situation while fighting with surface ship have to look at sonar ping sonar wave oil leak like fighting up there is'nt busy enough and have to deal with this shit

Is this Chase Gaming channel because sure sounds like the guy

4:40 Sidewinder torpedoes not real they cant harm you :D

It really looks like the sub at the start is not even aiming at the battle ship.

as a sub player I can confirm this

SLM doing his best to keep a positive light on his side income. Talk about polishing a turd.

I take it this is your how to play subs video?

Players spam the asw planes against other ships to have a greater advantage

What about using guns on subs?

If you really really hate subs grind the German dd line they get Hydro to help spot them and drop boom booms on them

I had a cachelot ping me (undetected U-boat, no prior detection or pings sent by me) twice whilst I was undetected and there was no submarine surveillance or hydro on at all. The commander skill says it gives position away when an ACTIVE sub surveillance is on. So this cachelot guy hacking?

Good guide but i feel i dont like the game anymore, i play less and less everyday.

Im still at the phase when I just had to wrap my head around the loads of bullshit that has been put in the game to make subs playable. Example sonar ping is supposed to be audible, in the game is visible. Also the sound travels with different speed, determined by nation also ignores water density and temperature. Not to mention the speed these vessels capable to cruise around is incredible, compared to reality. Let alone the efficiency of those torps regarding their speed and range. But this is an arcade game, so we just need to get along.

playerbase: how do you counter submarines? Weegee: thats the neat part, you dont

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Wait... there are subs in world of warships? When/how are they unlocked?

4:30~4:54 XD LOL

Thank you for this. I have no intention of ever playing a sub (nor ever sending WG a penny ever again. This IS a betrayal and I don't forgive). I have willfully ignored studying the counters as the half-life of that info has been about a week and the cycle repeated endlessly. Now is the time to figure out how to live with them.

I make extra effort to sink subs and their OP torps and game mechanics. Their was not a sub in ww2 that would do 28 knots not even close. Slow BBs have no chance. Period.

U missed out hydro and radar detection for subs

Nice tips.but goodluck dancing with a undetected reaper + a very annoying CV + half of enemy fleet that wants a piece of you.☺️nice tips tho if its you vs subs only

great, now we have to learn how to do this while half there team is shooting at you. this will be so easy to fight these subs they will have no chance to get a torp of. WG subs need a buff.