WORLD RUGBY SAY RWC FINAL MISTAKE WAS MADE | Ref & TMO were Wrong??? 

Fair play for being impartial

Sure you're a Kiwi 😅 , Frikkie.

And that is why we love you, mate. Well said!

Give this man a beer, he deserves it! 🍻

Also if south africa had gone for the corner like at twickenham things couldve been far worse for us.

I'd already moved on....now I am back to square one again! ;-)

That lost the AB the game.

If either of those kicks had gone over, the Boks would have gone on the offensive to score points instead of protecting their lead. It’s simplistic and naive to ever say a team lost due to a missed kick (the only exception being if it’s the last kick of the match, ie after the hooter sounds, and the points difference before the kick is 3 or less)

@@timbaker4253 You would never know that lol. Springboks had a one player advantage for most of the game and never pressed that advantage home. Regardless of how it happened, numerically it was 14 All Blacks against 15 Springboks for most of the game. Technically the Springboks should have been able to score a try with the one man advantage. Good game played by both teams. Looking forward to the next game.

@@timbaker4253 Definitely. Boks defended their lead, a very dangerous thing to do against NZ but they held on, just....

EXACTLY!

that wouldnt of happened because in actuality they returned for the infringement prior to the knock on

​@@Edgycoo they only found the infringement at the lineout because Barnes smtold the TMO to review the entire set piece as a whole rather than simply the knock on that resulted from it

@@ChrisBrown-or8ky If the tmo wasnt watching the lineout what is the tmo doing? If the tmo saw the lineout and only bought up the knockon after 5 phases, what is he doing? seems like the tmo was paid off.

after Wayne had clearly called no knock on twice in those 4 phases,

Weird paradox isn't it

good point.

Why don’t they just play the game then declare the official result after 7 days of off field scrutiny

Perfect point

probably because it's all hearsay. I'll wait for an official statement from World Rugby, rather than trust a tabloid

good discussion point

Rugby fans aren't becoming like football fans, but world Rugby has an huge responsibility in this actual bad trend. The lack of transparency of the TMO/bunker process gives the impression of a sort of lottery which is creating these reactions. That said, I don't think Safa fans are in a good position to lecture the World regarding Barnes death threats 2 years ago, Rassie Erasmus past behavior and boks fans "conspiracy" attitude during this World Cup.

I watched a documentary on the history of the AB/SA rivalry last night, showing the Springbok "haka" (sorry, I couldn't quite get the Zulu word). We have fallen so far.

I think the Boks kinda brought this on themselves by NOT putting the game to bed when they were 12 - 3 up and a man up after the Cane red card. They seemed to go to sleep after that with a "we got this in the bag" syndrome. Kolisi butchering a clear overlap try by not passing at that point would have put them 19 - 3 up, so yeah. The ABs are too good a team to go to sleep on.

⁠@@scroopynooperz9051 what point are you trying to make here? Blame for not winning by 30 points. You speaking like someone who’s never been put in a high pressure scenario in their life.

I am n Bok supporter and they did look at it and it was a fair try. The ball went backwards out of the hand and never passed the passing player. Its totally legit. The ball is allowed to move forward with momentum as long as it goes backwards relative to the player who passed it.

@@Jacolath How can a ball go backard from a player but travel forward in momentum? Thats not how physics works bru. If a ball is going forward it is forward, there is no other interpretation. The player passed the ball before the 5 meter line and yet the ball lands on the 5 meter before bouncing forward. How is that not a forward pass? or rather lost forward in the tackle.

@@tex4523ball left hand backwards…hit ground..bounced forward

@@tex4523 you are obviously not that into rugby if you dont know this. here is a 12 year old video explaining the "physics" (there are many like those even older ones). That's why a forward pass is explicitly judged in the rules by how it leaves hands of the guy passing it and where it is in relation to him. Player momentum is allowed to carry it forward as long as its backwards from him. According to your rational most passes would be forward then. enjoy ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-box08lq9ylg.html

where they the better team, or were they better because of the man advantage?

@@franzbrunner499 SA were better discipline wise and also took their chances better (although they also missed a few opportunities). So all in all, SA were better when it really counted. Can't blame SA for NZ's ill-discipline.

​@@franzbrunner499ah shut up would you. Should have been 2 red cards as we played an entire game with a hooker isn't a hooker due to the intentional injury frizell put on mbonambi.

They had two yellows so not much better?

They weren't the better team and a lot more opportunities either went against or were missed for the All Blacks then the Springboks. The officiating was atrocious and the game should be replayed. How can you go back for a knock on resulting in a disallowed try but not review a game changing penalty (Ardie legally over the ruck). The TMO shouldn't pick and choose when they intervene. Consistency is all anybody is asking for. Either go back and pull up everything or completely stay out of the game unless the referee asks for your intervention. Simple

At the time Barnes called that it was no knock-on, and he let play continue. In fact he said this clearly twice, firstly just after the incident when the SA players were yelling at him it was a knock-on, secondly in the ruck that formed a phase or two after. At this point he surely has made an on-field decision that should stick? This type of call happens countless times in games, such as a halfback or no.8 fumble at the base of the scrum, but this on-field call is almost never recalled by the TMO. So why in this particular case, where the referee had effectively called "play on" many phases earlier was it re-called? Yes, it led to an eventual try, but how far back is reasonable to assume the ref's calls mean nothing?

​@@n__mLet me guess. You're an AB supprter 😂

@@n__mexactly.

I was at both AB losses in Dublin and all the Kiwis I saw were very gracious in defeat. Strarting with Kieran Reid’s post game interview in 2018, true class👍

Yup its over guys finished be happy for SA, still have our forks out for Canes head thou 😂

Barnes hates us as well. There was good money flying as soon as we heard he was reffing the final

No blame on Barnes but World Rugby has a lot to answer for and not only from the final.

Well said mate

Tackles to the head is a no no, time to move on.

@@aughalough1 if you think tackles to the head are the only changes made to the game of rugby in the last 2 years then you’re ill informed…. You need to look more broadly!

Too many former players complain of headaches and such like and demand more stringent rules in the current format. I get what they intend to do but it is making the game of rugby into a farce. Too many nit picky rules

Yip!! My view as well

Clear forward pass, can't argue with the facts

You're missing the point mate

The argument is if it was the interference that caused the knock on for which the subsequent try was disallowed after being awarded then according to the rules of rugby that try should have been upgraded to a penalty try and Eben Etzebeth yellow carded. Had it been a poor decision in the run of play so be it, that happens, but this actual TMO ruling was not correct which is such a shame for rugby.

@diyguru9677 huh? Come again. Penalty try for interference in that position? What are you smoking mate? If the ref had seen it he would at best awarded a penalty to the ABs

@@nicobr00 Was a try scored? Yes. Was the try overturned due to a knock on in the previous line out? Yes. Were the All Blacks then awarded a penalty for the offside play by SA causing the knock on? Yes. If all of this is correct then please explain to me how that's not a penalty try according to the rules of rugby.

@@diyguru9677 It does not work like that buddy. You are making yourself look silly. Have you ever seen a penalty try awarded like that? If the ref had picked it up in play it would just be a penalty. There is no way the ref would have even considered that the interference from Eben stopped the AB's from scoring a definite try.

@@nicobr00 I have never seen a try awarded and then reversed by a TMO for the opposition illegally interfering with the ball from phases back either. I agree a penalty try would be absurd but disallowing the AB try for a SA infringement was even crazier.

So what say you on the Mbonambi/ Frizzell hit job ? I believe it was exactly that. How he ends up in that position can only be deliberate.

​@@jksinorbitTotally agree.

That's the attitude of kiwis generally. I feel sorry that this could reflect, in some people's eyes, on All Black fans, who are proper rugby folk!

Love the great sportsmanship, from RSA 🇿🇦

Look hopefully this does highlight the issues with tmo intervention and we can have less of it going forward.

I love the Freudian Slip, PSDT and not PTSD - well done with the subversive there ;)

This is true. WTF are we even talking about?

I thought the final pass for the 2nd try was flat enough to get benefit of the doubt...and I'm a Bok supporter.

@@jksinorbit 50:50 for me and I'm a neutral

I think it drifter forward from Teala's hands before it hit the the ground. Some refs would have called it forward while others would not so it's 50\50.@@jksinorbit

@@jksinorbit no, was 100 percent forward. at least a foot; from the upper angle you can see this; it travelled in the air more forward than it bounced forward.

The thing is everyone is saying that it is a knock on but it was a penalty

@@iceswallowgum8540 right so penalty advantage should be played, and that advantage was over when the ball was knocked on. So come back to play the penalty as did happen.

The reward will be AI refereeing. That will shut up the whinging

Same ref and TMO too by the way - Wayne Barnes and Tom Foley.

Definitely New Zealand by 50. The Springboks dodged a bullet with that pathetic red card.

The Springboks got lucky. Except this and move on.

"Except this"? 🤦‍♂🤣🤣🤣 Exception made. 😉 The Springboks won an historic Fourth Rugby World Cup Trophy. *Accept* _that_ and move on! 😂🤣😁😉 @@JaemanEdwards

@@budyza180 Already have. All Kiwis have. We're pretty content with what our boys delivered at the RWC. And the world still understands who the best team on the planet is. It's the team who scored 49 tries to the Springboks pitiful 27 tries. It's the team who scored 100 points more than second most France. It's the team that scored a try against the Springboks while being down to 14 players for 50 minutes and simultaneously holding the Springboks scoreless. You Saffas will take any old shit served up to you on a plate. Kiwis standards are so much higher. We would not be happy for our team to be barely winning games scoring fk all tries. Rassie needs to learn what a rugby pass looks. And he needs to teach his team where the tryline is situated. You won because of girly interpretation of the laws. Five years ago that wasn't a red. The All Blacks play the game as it was intended. Run, pass, and score tries. Not maul, kick, and await cards or penalties. The Springboks winning in a tin arse fashion is bad for South Africa because now all you deluded fools think that fkn ugly rugby is winning rugby. I look forward to the All Blacks smashing the Springboks for years to come because we got the formula. You're just lucky some bobble heads at the NZRFU thought Fozzie wasn't an incompetent wreck. Under Razor we will lift rugby to unprecedented heights. Just wait and see Saffa. It's gonna be so enjoyable.

@@JaemanEdwards😂😂😂 You are obviously very bad loser hahaha

As an AB supporter l'm on board with much of your comment until you got to the 'no blow back part'. Clearly (irrespective of what happens on the field) this isn't a true reflection of what happens post game on RU-vid. There is always going to be blowback. I can accept that historically, the scoreline is always going to be what it is. At the beginning when Tim introduces as part of his narrative 'saltiness' it's too broad of a generalisation. Alluding to some unknown, faceless type of individual supports this over generalisation. While l have respect for his opinion ,one has got to be able in turn to respect those of others in the broader sense and let trash talkers sit around wastting their own time slinging mud just to get attention. Perhaps you can clarify what you meant in your comment about blowback. Just to be clear, were you referring to World Ruby's decision to call this like they have knowing that they aren't willing to go out on a limb and officially censure any of it's officials?

💯… both arms wrapped in the tackle. Straight up knock on. No forward pass “momentum” discussion necessary.

​@@teevis3620WR haven't called anything. This was a tabloid 'report' written about an anonymous WR rep speaking to an anonymous NZ person. Please man. This is a complete fabrication, from a salty NZ reporter who can't accept an SA win

Blow back as In the disgust shown by a certain NZ Ex coach that washed his mouth out and blaimed officials for not reffing to his liking.Look I understand ,he must be upset but the boks also got cards.I am sure the Springboks would have prefered having 15 for 80 aswell. And same for AB.Now with that disgust shown there and the level of scrutiny you will not see from a Ex Springbok coach.Rugby needs to be fixed in general.The goal line drop out for a held up is crap.You have a team going forward and they are being punished for trying to score a try.Bring back the 5 meter scrum.Also Tmo's need to butt out and let the Ref get on with it.The Allblacks put up a hell of a fight but Springboks made 209 tackles and had allot of turnovers.Just a pitty the day was spoiled with all the cards.AB had over 60% possesion in last 10min and could not convert.I am sure Allblacks will be back and rebuilt with the new Coach.All the Best .Springboks ❤🏆

​@@user-fz7yp3xk6wTypical deluded Saffa. Ya won because of a red card that 5 years ago would have been. You are definitely not the best team and the world knows it. Tin arsing is an art and the Springboks are the masters.

Interesting point. I myself have not had the heart to watch it again, but if you're right it would definitely help settle the matter (which is actually already settled)

​@@UglyKidJoe71 I just watched it again. He is wrong. You might be able to argue the first ruck was purely a double tackle, but it's PSDT coming in for a quick jackle in reality. The next three are 100% rucks where SA loses their feet.

dont add facts to this we want outrage.

We just want feel sorry for ourselves

@@rjbutt3rz as I have just replied to you in another thread, there was not a single ruck from the time the ball left the lineout to the time it was dotted down. Not one.

Yeah I said the same thing. Guess no one talks about it because winners don't need to whine about incorrectly allowed tries...

It travelled backwards and bounced foward

@@harrymac5229it did no such thing. The rules are pretty simple. The ball went forward.

@@harrymac5229 imagination is strong with you

@@harrymac5229 The only way a ball can travel forward is off the boot. As hands were the last thing to touch the ball, the forward movement made it a forward pass.

Yea you were lucky boys I know who the real winners were

​@@mercedessl8718South Africa

@@mercedessl8718 Yes! The Bokke!! Regardless of Beauden's forward pass try, Richie's missed conversion or Jordie's missed penalty!😂🤣

​@@mercedessl8718poor All Blacks fell so sorry for you 😢😢😢😢 NOT 😂😂😂😂😂

@@mercedessl8718 care to inform the rest of us who the real winners are? Maybe consider Bryce Lawrence history when you give your answer.

Amen brother .

The TMO did raise the knock on as soon as it happened. Barnes missed it and called 'no knock on', this is a pure example of human error, it happens. My problem is that had the ABs played for 10 or 20 or 38 phases in lead up to a try. Does the TMO go back throughout all those phases to the original knock on? Id say that would do more damage than having a 2 phase or less rule for the TMO. For the sake of the game - Keep it simple, let the ref on field be the Lead Decision Maker.

That knock-on call against Samoa, was that the one where they scored a try, converted it and then was disallowed ? I thought that was one of the worse decisions during this WC. I'm still wondering if that kind of call would have been made against any of the top 5 teams - me thinks not !!

And yet if the TMO had stepped in and overturned a certain try in the 2007 QF, New Zealanders would have been pleased as Punch and SIR Graham Henry would not have accused Wayne Barnes of matchfixing in his biography. So what do you want mate? Surely the right decision is always the best decision. So is it okay to ignore the facts when it goes in your favour? If the Boks had scored that try would you have been happy with it or would you again have accused Barnes of matchfixing? New Zealanders were happy when the final England try was overturned in the Womans' final and that was for a player being in front of the kicker three phases (real one's in terms of the law, not imagined ones in terms of what pundits and fans think) before the score. Not a single pip from the New Zealand media. NOTHING!!

@@TipOfAfrica0010 Yep - and I'm English too - the rules are 'If it's obvious' - if you have to spend 5 minutes reviewing footage, then it's clearly 'not obvious'

@@MajesticDemonLord EXACTLY !!!

I actually thought that the TMO influence was good as it got things mostly right

you dont know that

@@robertmcdougall3520 You also don't know the outcome if the first try was allowed as Tim highlighted. When the Boks played France they hit back every time France scored. They had a strategy to defend unless chasing the game because that is what wins World Cups. Graham Henry and Ritchie McCaw both admitted that this the All Blacks tactic in the 2011 final which NZ also beat France by a single point.

what ever you say dont give up your day job just yet@@bunnychowmuncher

@@robertmcdougall3520 neither do you. Some NZ fans recon disallowed try is why NZ lost the game. If the try was allowed game would have played out different and NZ would not have scored the same allowed try…

@robertmcdougall3520 Guess who is upset because they are not winning anymore? Foley and Barnes were the TMO and ref in the Ireland game too. Guess who didn't complain because they won.

💯 - NZ knock ons should *not* be called!

I think I took too many pinches of salt.

right coming from a SA think if that call went against you, you be having a different thought

​@@robertmcdougall3520we would be complaining as you are. So we understand where you coming from.

You mean their mistakes like the knock-on and missed kicks took them out of the game? (Also, Barnes didn't apologise to Ardie ... not sure why this lie keeps getting repeated ... he said "I'm sorry Ardie, I didn't see it that way" ... polite disagreement != apology.)

@@ballasgleek - regardless Barnes made the wrong call but the TMO didn’t do anything to rectify it . The knock-ons and missed penalties would most likely be due to tiredness while playing with 14 men. Barnes penalises frizell with a yellow card and then the TMO doesn’t upgrade to a Red cause it was accidental ? So the question is should it just be a penalty not a yellow. Etzebeth leads with Elbow which connects with Canes face, ref was close and it was not looked at by TMO…. I think the NZers were harshly done by the TMO inconsistency. That’s all I’m saying .

@@towbiyah998 right … and whose fault was it they were down to 14 men? At the end of the day, the result was bang on. That’s my point.

@@ballasgleek - not too sure if English is your second language , just highlighting the TMO inconsistency, that’s all. And i think giving out Red cards should change and be determined on how reckless it was and or whether it caused injury to a max of 20 mins or at least 10 where the red carded person can not come back on this should be left to the Ref to decide if it’s a red card as he’s the one to judge the severity of it.

Much respect from a SAFFA for this comment!!!

What a gracious sentiment. All respect to you as well as the All Blacks . We're also asking Tim nicely to cover the Ireland tour of SA next year! 🙏I'm sure there's folks who can offer accommodation, hospitality etc. But rugby will not be the same without his content after this world cup, that's for sure🙌

I say the clear knock on try by the Kiwis was in favour of the KIWIS and Barnes refused to take it to the TMO hmmmmm!!!!

Clearly rugby is important to New Zealand and indeed they can’t handle a loss. While that sounds bad it is in fact a good thing and it’s just the one in a thousand bad sports that’ll make something of this. If SA had lost our bad sports would be making waves right now. It’s just part of two great rugby nations make up.

Wayne Barnes is totally overated

Yeah! NZ should only ever be ref'd by Kiwi officials, like the AB's, their the best, and like the AB's deserve special treatment!

Wayne Barnes made to many mistakes in final...totally overated

Wayne Barnes looks like he likes dressing in women's clothing in his spare time. Does he wear eye liner ?

The knock-on rule, for example in Cheslin's case is as dumb as can be. Player is in his own half trying to intercept the ball to go score a try - how the hell can that be a deliberate knock on when a potential try is on. This is one rule that has to be the dumbest in rugby - frustrates me to no end

Exactly you can have one or the other, not both. Perhaps the conversion of the Smith try might have failed, we will never know. Yesterday's news.

I tend to agree with you on this far more than the people calling for getting rid of the video refs and allowing the ref to make mistakes and live with it. We should 100% be working to make the TMO more seamless so the correct decisions are made wherever possible. Yes cut down the waiting and delays as much as we can and the bunker is the first step but there's no way that I want to go back to a fallible ref on the field making decisions from his viewpoint when millions of fans can see all over the world that the decisions are wrong with the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion. For those worried about the 'product' of rugby this helps make it faster paced with less delays and those that prefer games not to be decided by ref mistakes or lack of information are more likely to have the players decide the outcome. It seems to me to be an utterly illogical position to want to revert back to incorrect calls being the expected part of the game. That said - I do hate how many cards have been injected into the game and the influence they have on the outcomes. Red cards were always used for intentional foul play where the intent was to injure other players. I completely understand the need for the sport to try and control head injury due to lawsuits and how devastating CTE is - but we really need something new to adjudge intent in high tackles rather than trying to crowbar them into the old foul play red card mechanism. Whether it is replacement of a red carded player on the day with lengthy bans for poor tackle technique or some other mechanism, I don't really care. But Cane getting a red in a world cup final should be the turning point for laws in this regard. I'm a bok supporter but I don't think the laws of the game should leave a team with 14 on the pitch for a tackle like that. I completely understand why it was a red under the current laws of the game and Cane's technique was bad but he only had a split second to react to Kriel's change of direction - failing to do so is not foul play, it's an impossible to eradicate consequence of the speed of human nerve speed conduction and muscle reaction time. There needs to be a better accommodation of this physical reality in the laws of the game.

@@Narapoia1 agreed 100%

But what has not changed is if you drop the ball its a knock on or if you miss kicks for poles its missed points as is electing to kick for touch. As much as the laws have changed poor basic skills and making bad decisions like not taking kicks for poles but opting for touch will still lose you matches regardless of how worse referees are. If a team has flawless passing and skills and nails all its kicks still loses to something weird then you have a point. The All Blacks knew the Boks had very good defence so they should have taken three points every time the opportunity presented itself. The other issue with the All Blacks has been poor discipline for quite some time even before the final. None of this is really about reffing in this case because both sides had to deal with it.

@@bunnychowmuncher but in the old way that dropping of the ball would have been missed, im glad regardless of who is on the receiving end of a correct decision that they don’t like, that the correct decision is being made

It does matter in the rules because if the ref misses if and it goes after 4 phases then the try should stand Don't matter cause I'm South African 😂😂

I laugh at how the Springboks can't score tries. Pathetic attack.

@@JaemanEdwards you obviously don't watch rugby.

@@wjmovies3874 I watched the All Blacks sores 49 tries to the Springboks 27 tries. I watched the All Blacks score 100 points more than second most France. I watched the Springboks lose to Ireland, tin arse a quarter final against a clearly superior France, tin arse the semi final against a godawful England who outplayed them for most of the game, and then tin arse the final against an All Blacks team down to 14 players for 50 minutes by one point scoring no tries. I watched all that.

@@JaemanEdwards good for you,that's your opinion.The better team won at the end of the day playing to our strengths.

@@wjmovies3874 Good for you.

Bravo!

And the conversion.....which would have been closer to the posts? Did you conveniently forget that.....?

@@markwairepo2871 Aaron dived right in the corner mate

@@riri1718 take another look mate, he was 7 metres inside the touchline after receiving an INSIDE pass from Mounga, specsavers have an office in your town....

@@markwairepo2871 you're crying for a 50/50 conversion from a 100% knock on. Speaking of 50s, Springboks won 50% of the RWCs they took part in. And since they joined, they won it twice before NZ could touch it. Maybe they know something your boys don't. Be humble and learn some knockout lessons from the Bokke, likewise the world is learning attacking running rugby from NZ.

Nor are they talking about Ebans forearm to Cane head which would have put SA down to 14 men.....Shes a funny old game. It is what it is.

Ball was lost forward in a TACKLE so no try . Whether there was a an attempt to pass or not (ball ended up halfway between the tackled player and Barrett who came in halfway to pick up the ball) is of no consequence.

Truth. Test rugby style

Nice little dig at Fozzie at the end. What a pillac you are.

At the time I thought Frizzzel's actions were dirty play and actually warranted a red.

​@@nic0072 I'm interested in why you think that. To me, he attempted a legal clearout and failed, and the refs seem to think the same thing. If he'd targeted the leg, he'd have received a red. What are the physical actions you think he's done to deserve a red?

@@ChrisBrown-or8ky It didn't look to me as if he was doing any clearing out. He was standing there to the side, then did an inexplicable neck roll and then followed it up by flopping onto the injured player with his full weight. When I saw it the first time, I thought it was dirty play and I still think so.

Methinks the ABs were hellbend on taking out Bongi or Faf within the first 10 minutes and risk a yellow since the Boks opted for a 7-1 split. They managed to get Bongi within 3 minutes and it paid off. This was no accident and disgusting. Karma is always lurking and the tactic backfired spectacularly when own captain got a red. Boks got zero 50/50 calls from the 31st minute and with two yellows still hung on to win. The best team won, full stop. It appears some NZ fans just cannot lose without someome to blame, like the mystical person names "Suzie" who allegedly "poisoned" the ABs in 1995. Pffft

Agreed. Reeks of 'fake news' to me. But if WR come out with an official statement then we can debate it. Still, a knock-on occurred, so in a way it's moot

It's TMO Protocol, it's Law.

Appreciate that insight. Like with England we seemed under the cosh so I don't know. The weather dictated our play I never felt like we were going to look to score because of the closeness. But if you guys had gon two scores ahead I do think this team is different to Springbok teams of yesteryear.. Maybe they would've still won, maybe not. But that France game showed we can out-try a try scoring team if we have to.

Exactly this

LOL, Maybe World Rugby should just engrave an asterisk next to SA's name on the cup, with the word 'Lucky', then everybody can move on.

@@jkmb5758 Agree. An asterisk in 1995 for food poisoning. An asterisk in 2007 for Barnes reffing NZ out. An asterisk in 2019 for losing to NZ in the pool round. An asterisk in 2023 for winning by 1 point. .... wait ... I'm spotting a trend here ... and the trend is All Black whining.

I think the video is more intended to raise awareness about the Laws of the game, and trying to revert back to simplicity

As long as the ball is thrown backwards from the hand it doesn't matter how it gets there.

@@OzyMandias359 thanks, ye great Ozymandias!

My question is how far back should tmo go in the lead up to a try, to pull up missed infringements/foul play? 5, 10, 30+ phase plays?

@@johnr2387 Good question but it's not easy to answer. For all we know, the TMO might have called the knock on the instant he saw it. How many phases behind is the TMO? All the 4 cards given in that final were looked at a few phases after they had happened. 2 phases should be the maximum for disputable knock ons. Any clear + obvious foul play that leads to a try should however be recalled as soon as the TMO sees it, if that's 4 phases later, so be it. In anycase, someone gave the definition of a phase and they were not more than 2 in the build up to the AS try.

Questionable, the 2nd 3rd and 4th plays can also be considered rucks as they all had players from each team on feet closing around the ball on the ground. But this is the point that Tim is trying to raise, the laws have become too technical which has impeded on the simplicity of the game. Now we have rugby pundits questioning whether or not the phases leading up to the Smith disallowed try were even phases. Also I'm more in support of reverting back to the simple game, the ref on the field should continue as is and be the Lead Decision Maker. All match officials including tmo are only human and miss infringements /foul plays, it happens@@riri1718

Add to that, the Kolbe incident was given as just a knock on until the TMO intervened, but as it turned out, the Boks had a man down for the rest of the game and if Jordie had kicked that goal then all this talk would never be taking place. It is really only going on now because Barrett and Mounga missed their kicks otherwise Kiwis would have been well pleased. 12 successful kicks from 22 attempts against top 10 teams in the tournament, and it's all the TMO's fault?

its important to note that TMO still miss infringements and foul play due to human error. All match officials do, but should still respect the ref on field who is the lead decision maker. My question is how far back should TMO go to pull up missed infringements and foul play? 2, 5, 10, 38 phases

@@johnr2387the point is, ppl complaining about the TMO only do so because their team lost the game

​@@hanoitripper1809 Agreed, people still care about the game though. Tim's point in the video is that the laws have become too technical and have impeded in the simplicity of the game, now we have rugby pundits questioning whether or not the phases leading up to the Smith disallowed try were even phases. Can't believe its come to this point.

@@johnr2387 yeh you know it’s in a bad place when supposed knowledgeable ex players and one eyed fans are wanting the ‘try’ to stand when it’s a clear knock on, by desperately counting the phases with some even calling for a penalty try from the lineout.. they did however get awarded a try shortly after which was clearly forward. Those same fans who complain about the TMO forget that Kolby received a yellow card when Barnes missed his slap down but the TMO saw it.

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