@@kbr-health the problem is not the bluelight, but the refresh rate. Your screen is constantly blinking, but is so fast you may not notice, but cause eye strain
@@leandrocrs for you it cause eye strain. Not everyone is the same, do not assume everyone is like you. 28+ years of 14-16 hours a day in front of a computer, different screens as the technology changed, and never had any issues, no eye strain, no dry eyes. Of course, if you have a crappy monitor, or misconfigured screen (especially with "Dithering" option enabled, this can be modified in NVidia cards; it's auto-enabled on Intel cards on battery power for power saving), or bad screen backlit (eg. PWM-controlled) or bad room lighting (especially no small light BEHIND your monitor - there should always be alight behind it, e.g. pointed to the wall), then you can have some problems. However, E-Ink won't solve those problems. I love E-Ink, but because of other reasons. It's simply something different - a screen that doesn't need a backlight to be readable, a low-power screen, so you can read for hours on a mobile device, a screen that resembles a real book with real paper - just so you feel "closer" to the real thing. E-Ink is not your savior, if you have a bad room lighting, bad font setup etc. you can have as many problems with eink as any other screen. Start thinking, not generalizing and claiming other technology will be a solution to all your problems.
@@mble right, you sandbox apps on an OS level to ensure some base level of security. In comes this guy showing a lot of skin and wearing beads and says let's rethink OS security fundamentals. There's no way that Notion or any other app would want to build an app for your OS if you didn't have that protection, let alone, it goes against Notion's economic interest to not be walled gardens...
To play devil’s advocate, it sounds like what he might mean is there might be “abstract data primitives” (not to be confused with primitives in a programming context), like todo data, alarm data, notes data, etc that will be will be stored in a common location that all apps can access through a common API to allow for better ease of reusing data between apps that use common data like these primitives. Do I think this CEO explained it in a kind of silly manner? Yes. But, IF I’m correct in his meaning, I actually think that’s a cool idea. It’s not a technological innovation so much as it’s a process innovation by way of introducing a new standard, like POSIX (loose comparison). Does this introduce some new security considerations? Absolutely. Cool idea if it can be handled safely. EDIT: Some typos
I think, he means, to have a common data store for all apps instead of letting apps decide how and what they want to store. This way, a lot of apps need to think how are they making data store and process There may be two notes application, from different companies. Samsung notes and Google keep. Just imagine that your Google keep notes can be read and modified by your Samsung notes
he's talking about letting apps create native experiences, meaning to allow greater integration. I remember when I had docked winamp bar at the top and taskbar at the side. Quick access, always. You can't have that now. I also remember Samurize, where I had performance indicators in the taskbar. Can't do that anymore either. I always wished I could have a hot corner with an mp3 player, etc. That's what he's talking about. The way Windows and MacOs have a special calendar and clock that's integrated into the OS, and no third party app can work like they do. Now, achieving that while maintaining security is gonna be rough, but at least someone's looking into it.
If battery life is decent, (not talking like 6 months) then I’m “probably” fine with it. I don’t care that it’s 100% not the same as e-ink and I don’t care if it’s not new. I just care whether or not it is a product that I “would use”. I want Android so that I can still install a few things. Sure there’s other companies like Boox, so I am eager to see more details.
@@eccodreams I think they can still get away with calling it a new OS if they made a fork of Android. It’s not like that hasn’t been done before. The difference doesn’t matter to me anyway, but sure it’s still Android. To avoid ambiguity for any potential consumer who might come away thinking that I’ll agree with you though. Edit: their website also says that the OS is built from Android and can download Android apps. I see nothing nefarious about that point and actually a positive. They don’t claim it is e-ink and it is not regular LCD either. Some people just might still want to buy this anyway. I think that’s fine.
you gotta be like this if you wanna be the ceo of a startup on silicon valley: - talk about steve jobs - DONT wear shoes - look like you didn´t shower for years - talk how different and revolutionary your product is - weirdly have some boards on your walls
Bistability isn't _just_ for leaving it turned off for 6 months or more. It's for reading a page for 2 minutes and not having to refresh the screen, and therefor not have to use any battery. So, how is the battery usage?
That's the wrong question. How long can it keep the content on the screen without using a battery? That's the question. However, fast E-Ink screen is still impressive.
There is no nitty-gritty here, only buzzwords that sound nice to someone who knows nothing about the tech they buy. This display tech is not new, it's a transflective LCD. The only new thing I can see here is using an orange backlight.
Pretty good salesman, but you can tell that whenever he holds it at an angle (typically holding it flat like at 6:31 where he's talking to the camera) that it isn't as reflective as an e-paper display and shows that it's just a transreflective LCD. He talks as if he discovered a brand new way to do e-ink, but what he actually did was poorly explained how an LCD polarises light. I'm guessing he did this intentionally to obfuscate that it's just an LCD so that he can market it as innovative.
He bought out a fruit company after taking the tech from a nerd friend, he was a hipster pseudo intellectual who was a great salesman @@vishalontheline
Kudos for trying something different. You’re not wrong about computing to be more polite and more like an executive assistant that makes our digital lives more efficient and more grounded in the real world around us. Will be watching the progress
Edit 2: This display is just a transflective LCD, and this technology has existed for more than a decade; see the Notion Ink Adam and the OLPC XO. Calling this new technology is literally false advertising. Edit 1: The title has now been changed from "World's first 60+ FPS e-ink display | Daylight" to "World's first 60+fps e-paper display | Daylight". OG Comment: Pretty cool, but the vibe from this guy is very much pandering to venture capitalists. Also not being bistable makes this inherently not e-ink, so the name of the title is misleading at best, and wrong at worst.
I mean if it has the same feel of e-ink with a good refresh hate some people might like a lot, the problem is battery use, does the refresh rate and the not being bistable increase battery use?
To be clear, Anjan says it's "like e-ink," and explains it's a new display technology they call "LivePaper." I just messed up in the title originally calling it e-ink.
@@Asak999 The "feel" of e-ink isn't the e-ink itself, it's the coating on top of the display, so this argument is already empty. Also, yes, because the display is refreshing 60+ times per second, it will have very similar power usage characteristics as a regular LCD display. All this display is doing is instead of blocking a backlight with a twisted liquid crystal, it twists to show the black surface behind it and reflects ambient light to show "white".
@@s3_build That's fair, and he does have a genuinely unique display here, but when you boil it down it's literally just a regular LCD with a black background instead of a backlight.
With a matte coating and no blue light apparently. Yeah this doesn't seem to be the revolutionary new eink technology they are trying to sell. I think it is still a nice combination of technologies to create a "traditional" tablet that is great for reading, but I wish they would be more transparent about this.
You know I really believed the video, but we should be aware of sneaky salesman, and I thought you people were hater but, really you're pointing out people like me to be aware of marketing gimmicks.
@@eccodreams regardless of whether they invented the display or not its still good to repurpose the tech for new applications. if a transflective LCD fulfills the same needs that drove the development of e-ink displays then why not use them? my question is what battery performance is like. i do know its better than traditional LCDs since you can turn the backlight all the way off when ambient light is present. but how does it compare to e-ink? i assume its worse especially if its running at 60 fps but what if the framerates were normalized to e-ink framerates?
@@0siiris The problem with this reflective LCD is that you will need to turn on backlight (Daylight will use amber backlight) more times than front-light on e-ink, because there will be a lot of ambient light situations where you can see e-ink text good but you can't see reflective LCD good enough. Also viewing angles are worse. So you use backlight more times, more power. On other side e-ink doesn't consume energy for static image, while LCD does. There is a type of LCD (Sharp Memory LCD) containing 1 bit memory for each pixel on display itself, so energy consumption on static image is very very low, no zero like e-ink but very near because external LCD control circuit can be off while displaying static image; but I suppose LCD used by Daylight won't be Memory LCD (in fact Memory LCD are manufactured in very small display size; years ago there was a 5-6 inches Memory LCD but it was discontinued because there was no demmand, and today bigger size is 4,4 inches), so it draws more energy on static image as it needs to drive control ciruitry. You can see Sharp refelective Memory LCD on Playdate console ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZGdP59hhiDg.html It is a very refelective LCD. On other side, when you turn on backlight on Daylight (and you will need to turn it on more time than on e-ink) you receive direct light to your eyes, even being amber light (not so disturbing like blued light), it is direct light. On e-ink, when you turn on light it is light reflected on e-ink, instead of light emitted to your eyes. I like Daylight and I am interestes, it is even possible I buy it after it has been reviewed, but it is a refelective LCD, no magic. I like amber backlight, it's much better than having no backlight, because being LCD you will need backligt in a lot of situations, and much better than having white/bluish backlight.
@@0siiris I'm not sure, but the attempt at trying to hide that it's transflective LCD and marketing it as a "60+ fps e-ink display" does give some red flags.
I get what he did trying to make LCD more like e-ink. This is all going to boil down to two things: 1) the display quality 2) the battery life Its a competitive market, but if he came up with a better widget I'm in. It's hard to evaluate in a video the quality of the screen. I'm looking forward to seeing one in real life. There's something magical about the Remarkable tablet. But the refresh rate is the last barrier to finally getting rid of all paper. If its better than my Remarkable then I'm all in.
Keep on making these videos bro, take any of the criticism in stride. I appreciate what you are doing on this channel. I enjoyed this one still for what it’s worth!
Mixed feeling about this one, but any attempt at improving the e-reader world is more than welcome, feels like innovation hit a brick wall ten years ago.
Doesn't matter whatever anyone says..I do think that this device and screen is innovative enough to change the way people interact with data. Wish you all the best and happy launch
@@eccodreamsYou feel smart saying that but don’t even know what a transreflective LCD is. If it wasn’t innovative, then why hasn’t a product like this been launched?
Because it's a terrible idea 💀 unlike e-ink, that is bistable in nature, meaning it can indefinitely display an image without consuming any power, LCDs will keep consuming power as long as the screen is turned on. Battery will take a MASSIVE HIT on these machines. Not to mention, LCDs also have poor viewing angles compared to E-Ink. This is just a DOA product and it's priced at 730 dollars for using technology that was used in the Nintendo Gameboy.
@@skryonline5825 oh yeah, you can definitely choose to be optimistic, although i don't think its a particularly good product. my comment was more so targeted towards @saantii than you.
This is exactly what I have always wanted! I own a Kindle and I only use it for light reading; mostly light fiction and self-help books. Whenever I want to read some technical book or something that I would need to reference multiple times, I buy it in physical form. I think I am still going to be buying physical books even if I come to own this device, but this is genuinely exciting.
@@tsymeh There is literally no e-ink technology available on the planet that allows for 60+ fps. If this video was proof of it, they wouldn't be vaguely beating around the bush, because everyone would know about it already.
Dont listen to all the hater tech bros in the comments. This peice of technology speaks to me. I am a full time professional artist, event corrdinator and film maker. I spend many hours on screens. I also happen to live in my van with for the past 7 years. Being in a beautiful place and having to stay inside cramped on my comupter sucks. I have minimized screen time as much as I can but I cant eliminate it. Also being a deeply spiritual person. Big tech is taking over and it's not for the better. Hearing a tech company that actually encourages organic thought patterns and doesn't want to just rip all of our creativity to feed AI is refreshing and I believe needed. Thank you for all your hard work and having the courage to do something different 🙏
I was annoyed a bit by the "next leap in humanity" sales bullshit at the beginning. But the moment he explains the trade-off they had to do within the first minute of showing the product, he had my interest.
This is exciting for many reasons. Is it as power saving as traditional e-ink, no. Is it better at power than an lcd or led... yes. I see potential and am happy to see someone as enthusiastic leading it. Just be sure of all the contracts you sign and be cautious about taking money from any VC. Look at their portfolios and the success they've had, and how long they retain their companies before gutting and selling.
9:16 I can totally understand your point, instead of screen glued to our eyes, instead it's screen plastered on the wall but it's not like screen screen, btu rather, imagine, something like calendar, you tap it and you can see the detail for todays event a big e-ink whiteboard where you can scribble freely like a normal whiteboard, but you can save it too (kinda like google jamboard but better) a painting that looks like a normal painting, but when you need it for something, you can change it temporarily the best thing is that, this won't waste any energy, because e-ink display use very low amount of electricity
like the guy, love the screen tech, hate the arguments about a new OS. Will keep an eye on it - best of luck! I guess I'll be a buyer by version 3 or so
@@oversovl To the non-tech-inclined, "a new OS" sounds like this revolutionary and incredible thing, but it's really just marketing and buzzword nonsense unless they have literally built an operating system and kernel from the ground up, which I highly doubt. Especially considering he didn't actually say anything **about** the OS other than saying "other OSes do this thing, ours doesn't". Other OSes like Windows and MacOS already run programs at an "OS level". Look up the "protection ring" Wikipedia article; if this guy is talking about running programs at ring 1 or 0, he's completely out of his mind and doesn't know jack shit about computer security. If he's trying to mystify running programs at ring 2 or 3 and beyond, he's selling snake oil with the pretense of some sort of "mindful" or "human" design or function. That whole section of the video is just full of Apple levels of smoke and mirrors advertising for their products, and it's really no surprise considering his clear appreciation for the company.
@@oversovlI checked their website and it says that "Sol:OS is a custom Android OS carefully crafted to minimize distractions, with a clean, intuitive interface that keeps you in the flow." So it's literally just Android with a custom skin, which is not revolutionary in any way. Calling this their own OS is not only stupid, it's blatant false advertising.
@@eccodreams Thank you for your great efforts in looking into it, even their marketing so far hasn't given us any "meat" in the sense of genuine innovation.
@@eccodreams Just because you use android to build your own OS, doesn't mean you haven't built your own OS.... You call Android an OS right? guess what android builds off of...
I don't understand the amount of negativity in the comments. I think calling it a "transleflective LCD tablet" is disingenous, because this looks genuinely incredible imho. Sure, contrast and viewing angles aren't the best yet, but that's how every single display technology started! Lcd had poor viewing angles and really bad contrast, e-ink needed multiple seconds to update, and looked more like a newspaper than a book, whereas some modern ones can achieve 20+ fps and have great contrast. My point is, this looks like a great middleground between an LCD and E-ink, and if it doesn't go down the path of "unnecessary ai hardware", and rethinks software in an organic and way, (especially if opensourcing stuff,) I think this could have widescale adoption, and I'm all here for it.
I’d bet on this guy. His passion and enthusiasm is oozing from his being. Stoked to follow this company. Also this seems like a scene from Silicon Valley show 😂
...which should give you red flags. As others have pointed out, this device uses a transflective LCD screen -nothing new about that. Seems like he tries to sell smth old as smth new to ppl who aren't tech savvy and eat it right up. I dunno, but some skepticism until this thing is actually out wouldn't be a bad idea imo.
People will always find a reason to complain and hate, shows in the comments. I like the guy, super laid back and has a vision. It only plays in the favour of consumers to have as many tech companies because that creates more competition. So what if it is an lcd display? As long as it acts like paper, that’s all I care about. Plus this is a first iteration, if his company is successful, they can invest money into developing something even better.
2:52 I was think the same. instead moving particle and have it one particle= 1 color. better have one particle = 2 colors A sphere where half is white and half is black, one is negative charged and the other one is positive. so only have to flip not to move.
Don't get the hate in the comments here. I for one, really enjoyed the enthusiasm shown by the founder of this product. Yes, it uses old tech but so does every good product you use today. This is like saying capacitive touch screens existed years before the iPhone which is true but extremely basic assessment of a revolutionary product.
The problem isn't them using old tech, the problem is trying to sell the old tech as new tech while praying on the tech illiteracy of the target costumer. The iPhone did used old tech but they didn't went around saying they invented that old tech, they were selling you a innovative way to integrate old tech.
@@Ik0As lol... iPhones (even today) say that they 'literally' invented that new tech which has been used for decades. IDK if you have ever seen an Apple ad.
AGREED! The hate in here is wild! I found this to be a fascinating interview and to see someone who is TRULY passionate about what they are working on - was very cool. I really enjoyed this episode and I love hearing someone nerd out on tech stuff. Ha!
If it is book reader with higher fps and can be seen under sun it already good enough for me. Way of innovation always super hard, i hope you ready that you will receive more critics in your address that that compliments because it always like it.
I'd love to hear more about his ideas for the operating system. I feel like the software is what's gonna make or break this product, regardless of how amazing the hardware is.
Super cool first look at this, I’d love the option of having an E-ink screen but I do have to wonder how necessary high refresh rate is for an e-reader. I think there may be some cool opportunities that are only enabled by this unique display technology but I didn’t really hear them in the video. With that said I’m excited to see the tech advancing! Even if the killer feature is just really good battery life that could be massive.
This would make a good business computer monitor or something that is always plugged in. The trade off of not being able to keep pixels displayed without power is to great for a Kindle type experience. One of the most valuable parts of an e-reader is it's long battery life.
what? he is exactly like the rabbit ceo! a whole new os(this is an android fork), a whole new screen or form factor(this is just transreflecrive lcd not even epaper) , marketing on how it can increase productivity (which is very subjective) No discussion on battery life (which is exactly what you need to compete with remarkable/kindles)
So it’s a reflective LCD like on that $100 laptop thing? Data stored on OS level? So like a traditional desktop computer? Floating buttons for touchscreen? Is this a joke?
Exactly! There's no mention of battery life in the video. The beauty of an e-ink screen is that it is idle most of the time and wastes no energy. If you give up the most important feature of such a display as a frozen image, then in fact it's a regular black and white glorified LCD. And in video he is drawing in well lit room so no built in backlight too.
@@goldmax1412 There is, in fact, a built in backlight. If you took the time to read the specs you would've known this. You don't know what you're talking about.
You can tell exactly the type of person this guy is, and more importantly the type of person he _thinks_ he is, by looking at his wall of notes. In his mind, he's god. This is more an unintentional documentary of the self-obsessed, narcissistic founder than the product.
I like this, this guy seems really genuine. You can tell he's excited for the possibilities of where this could go but you can also hear a bit of nervousness like he's not sure IF it will actually get there. I like what I've seen so far, and hope it does well
Kinda conflicted about this. I think if this new display technology is as effective as they say it is and it has comparable energy-consumption to conventional e-paper it could be really cool! But I'm just so wary of any tech company that 1) builds its entire premise around "productivity" by selling you a new piece of tech to do the same stuff you can do with other tech you already have, and 2) claims to be reinventing the entire landscape of computing as we know it. Especially with all the horrendous AI integrations happening rn, ie the rabbit r1 and the Humane AI Pin, I'm just so disillusioned with any tech that's posturing itself as the next hot thing. But again, that hardware looks really impressive! I'm hopeful they're not super closed off about it and allow it to be iterated on outside of their tablet. Hobbyist-accessible e-paper displays with high refresh rates would be such a cool milestone, certainly more so than a roided up kindle.
The software seems closed off since they are claiming to integrate app's data to remain in the OS itself so you probably can't export it to another OS.( unless there's a cloud connection). Product isn't revolutionary but i like variety so looking forward to this since normal displays cause eye strain for me
@@keerthan7558 yea I wouldn't be surprised, but again I think this specific device matters a lot less than the screen hardware. I just hope it's not patented into the ground and it's generically accessible in the same way LCDs and e-paper are
@@Lep_19 The technology already exists from a long time it's called trans reflective LCD so I don't see how they can patent someone else's innovation. Just like Tandem Oled tech has existed wayy before but used for in business solutions or automotive industry.
This is such a charming CEO! Upfront about the process, talks of ideas that are genuinely innovative and novel rather than following trends (Lock screens being the habit you want, app data stored in the OS to beat vendor lock-in, etc), like I've never come across these ideas before! But also other things like really thinking about the history of computing and the philosophy of what computing should be, in a very Steve Jobs reminiscent way, it's just all so compelling! Not to mention a product that actually solves problems and has a use case! (Drawing/notes with proper refresh rate)
I find it hard to see the guy as charming when he's busy quoting other CEOs to compare himself to technological achievements that those people were really only partially responsible for.
No Bistability means much worse battery life, so that's still tbd whether it's worth it. On the other hand, I would LOVE this as a TV if the backlight could be turned on when things get dark.
Instead of a tablet they should make a monitor. They can't compete on battery life with E-ink on tablets, but they could destroy E-ink monits on the desktop.
This is a game changer… nothing changes the world like Hardware startups, we gotta have more of them. I was thinking instead of a flip with 2 states, if they can have a 4 sided CMYK and have color, I think that would be great
thank you for being compassionate and encouraging. yes, once first stage wins, color lcd may be the next logical step. that will happen only if we all support the hardware startups!!!
This display tech already exists. It is a transflective LCD. Nothing here is new except the hippie techbro flavor splashed on top of an otherwise low-end tablet.
I think the distraction-free lifestyle is cool. But you need amazing software to do that. He’s also trying to bundle a vision of an “OS for the people” by having more personal workflows. If you are serious about that vision you need to open source the code.
Display tech looks great. Just hope the software matches the same quality - he has a lot of interesting ideas, but not sure if completely reinventing a tablet is really needed, I think most people would already be happy to just have Android but with this great eink display.
Precisely this. No one needs a reinvention of something that was invented within the last 15 years. Tech moves at a rapid pace these days, yes, but this goal is completely insane and not feasible, at least not within the next decade or two.
Screen tech is super cool and I would love an e-ink display like that on my tablet. They would probably make more $ if they stuck to licensing and selling said tech instead of pushing all the way to "rethinking the operating system". If it took you 6 years to invent an android tablet with an (admittedly super impressive display), how long will it take you to "reinvent operating systems"? Love the screen tech
