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World War Two Heats Up: The M1928A1 Thompson SMG 

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By 1939, Auto-Ordnance was thoroughly bankrupt, having about $400 in assets and a debt of more than $1.2 million to the estate of the late Thomas Ryan, it's original financier. Ryan had died in 1929, but the company shareholders had prevented his estate from forcing the sale of the company for a decade. In 1939 they could hold out no longer, and the company was sold to one Russell Maguire, a high profile corporate raider.
Maguire, however, saw the potential of a submachine gun company on the brink of a new world war, and negotiated a contract with the Savage Arms Company to begin new production of Thompsons (the original Colt guns from 1921 having finally all sold). Orders began to come in from Europe, and new Model of 1928 Thompsons were sold to France, Sweden, and most substantially, the United Kingdom. The US military would also start buying Thompsons in quantity (designated the M1928A1), but the UK orders (paid for in bullion) were a massive source of profits for the company.
Auto-Ordnance would roll some of these profits back into the company, buying an old automotive brake factory in Bridgeport Connecticut and tooling up their own production of receivers and trigger frames to supplement Savage's production. A number of changes were progressively made to the guns to simplify and speed up their manufacture, including smooth barrels, stamped ejectors, vastly simplified rear sights, and horizontal front grips. By the time the M1928A1 was replaced by the M1 Thompson, more than 1.1 million had been made by AO and Savage combined. The Thompson had at last found it's purpose!
This is the third of a 5-part series on the development of the Thompson...
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Комментарии : 652   
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 6 лет назад
1939 was probably the worst possible time to sell stakes at an arms company.
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 4 года назад
Depends if it's one that gets bombed out continuously for the next 7 years or one in the US far away from any damage but churning out the moneymakers...
@304Kid
@304Kid 2 года назад
Well, we have the benefit of 83 years of hindsight.
@floydvaughn836
@floydvaughn836 2 года назад
@@Ugly_German_Truths or one in a neutral country.
@floydvaughn836
@floydvaughn836 2 года назад
@@justforever96 what matters is what you leave behind
@petermuller608
@petermuller608 2 года назад
How 'bout 2022 ;)
@HomercidalOne
@HomercidalOne 6 лет назад
How to confuse someone in WW2: Ask him to get you a M1.
@alexguymon7117
@alexguymon7117 6 лет назад
M1 rifle, M1 carbine, M1 submachinegun, M1 helmet, M1 bayonet...
@ironraccoon3536
@ironraccoon3536 6 лет назад
M1 dishwasher cleaner
@MrS22222
@MrS22222 6 лет назад
76mm M1
@Walden-jx4mi
@Walden-jx4mi 6 лет назад
M1 bazooka
@PopeBombsThe1st
@PopeBombsThe1st 6 лет назад
To be more precise: "US RIFLE, CALIBER 30, M1"
@georgem7965
@georgem7965 6 лет назад
I may have been one of the last American soldiers to carry a Thompson in combat. In Viet Nam 1971 I left my Infantry platoon in the 1st Cav. Div. and was sent up north to Da Nang to the 196th Light Infantry Brigade and was assigned to Brigade HQ as the Asst. S-5 officer (Civil Affairs). We dealt with the relationships between the 196 LIB and the Vietnamese civilians. I spent a lot of time in the field in a jeep and an M-16 is too long to easily use in a vehicle and a M1911 isn't enough firepower. The office had a Thompson with the shoulder stock removed which was just about the right size to carry in a jeep. I used it several times to return fire when we were sniped at. I kept the 1st magazine filled with tracers because having tracers coming at you, even if they are just .45s, will make you duck or flinch a bit more and that is what I wanted, to distract the guy shooting at me while we evacuated the area as quickly as possible. I don't know where the office got the Thompson. I suspect that it may have been swapped for with some ARVNs or RF/PFs at some point. It wasn't a precision weapon with the shoulder stock gone but it served its purpose and I was able to control it pretty well, particularly hosing down a woodline. BTW, we had 4 30 round mags for it. 1 in the gun and 3 in a carrier.
@JUNIORK1974
@JUNIORK1974 6 лет назад
Thanks for sharing. Do you remember which model it was?
@georgem7965
@georgem7965 6 лет назад
No, I don't 47 years on. I just recall it as one of the WW2 versions with the horizontal forearm. We did not have any manuals for it and I tried to keep it as clean as possible without trying to strip it down. I was afraid to mess with it too much for fear of not being able to figure out how to get it back together.
@georgem7965
@georgem7965 6 лет назад
To add a bit to my previous answer: It was one of the later models because it did not have a ribbed barrel or a Cutts compensator and did have the simple rear sight. (not that the sights were much of an issue without a stock).
@sparkplug1018
@sparkplug1018 6 лет назад
Pretty interesting, I had no idea that anyone in Vietnam had one of these. But I can imagine that for what you were using it for, it was probably the best weapon for the job, and damn effective too. I am curious though, in Nam, how common was the M3? Were there a lot of those around or had they basically gone to the M16 entirely at that point?
@georgem7965
@georgem7965 5 лет назад
I never saw an M-3 in Viet Nam but they may have been provided to Vietnamese forces along with other WW2 vintage weapons. Also, the M-3 stayed in US service as the personal weapon of crewmen of armored vehicles until the Gulf War. So, there may well have been M-3s in service in Viet Nam in units like the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment.
@3.2Carrera
@3.2Carrera 6 лет назад
Back in the late 80's and 90's I worked with a WWI vet who carried a Thompson in the South Pacific. His main use them them was interesting. He mentioned that the Japanese would ambush them from the trees so his job was to spray down the trees with the Thompson and see "what fruit would fall".
@porterbennett7041
@porterbennett7041 Год назад
holy shit
@gyllkrans
@gyllkrans 6 лет назад
Speaking of european word for smg:s, ridiculously enough the Swedish word for it is kulsprutepistol, which roughly translates to 'bullet spraying pistol'.
@CaptainGrief66
@CaptainGrief66 6 лет назад
That's kinda accurate and funny.
@CaptainGrief66
@CaptainGrief66 6 лет назад
@@Laenthal I always thought that Pulemyot meant machinegun or device or something like that.
@rodrigogascagomez5190
@rodrigogascagomez5190 6 лет назад
In Spanish, it's called "Subfusil", which means, roughly translated, "sub-rifle" (the word "rifle" does exist in Spanish, and is mostly interchangeable with "fusil")
@jakublulek3261
@jakublulek3261 4 года назад
I think that for most continental Europe, "Pistolet-mitrailleur" or "Maschinenpistole" were the base from which theyr own word was derived. Like Polish "Pistolet maszynowy", which literaly means "machine pistol". But there are exceptions, like Croatian "Kratka strojnica" ("short machine rifle" in English), Serbian "Аутомат" (which relates to Russian more casual submachine gun designation, "Автомат", "Automatic" in English) or the most inaccurate one, Czech/Slovakian "Samopal", translating into English as "Self-firing gun" pretty much. It has mainly political and historical backround (for communistic government "assault rifle" sounded too imperialistic and aggressive, and Russian "Автомат" means anything "automatic" in Czech/Slovakian, not just machine gun), so designation "light" and "heavy" was used to separate something like SA 58 and vz.61 Scorpion. Than iron curtain fell and assault rifle is now perfectly alright.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 4 месяца назад
Meanwhile, the ATF: "they're all machine guns, that double barrel shotgun is a machine gun"
@Calum_S
@Calum_S 6 лет назад
The executors of the Ryan estate must've been kicking themselves, selling the company on the eve of the biggest conflict in history!
@tiaxrulesall
@tiaxrulesall 6 лет назад
Didn't he die in 1928, and then they fought over the rights for 10 years before WW2? so there was an intervening decade?
@aramondehasashi3324
@aramondehasashi3324 6 лет назад
And the guywho ended up buying it was a lucky SOB.
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 4 года назад
Well, to be fair, it came out of nowhere. Nobody could possibly have seen World War II coming... oh wait.
@cykeok3525
@cykeok3525 2 года назад
@@ZGryphon Not saying the signs weren't visible in the mid-30s, but it's probably much clearer to us in hindsight!
@trimule
@trimule 3 года назад
When I was a kid (1950's) there were "war surplus" stores everywhere - even my small town in Kentucky. I used to prowl around just looking at the stuff. One day I found several boxes of beautiful snap on style Thompson butt stocks. I still remember that they were very nice quality - must have been made for the early model and never used. Sat in a warehouse somewhere for years. I wanted to buy one because they were so cheap even a kid could afford it but I really couldn't think of anything to do with it! The coolest thing I ever found was a huge barrel of things that looked like a toy to me but now I realize were a horrible weapon. They were "bomb shaped" about 2-3 inches long. lead body (Owner was selling them as fishing sinkers) pointed steel nose and sharp bladed fins. I now realize that these were flechettes made to be shoveled out or packed into a bomb casing and dropped over enemy personnel. falling at 120 MPH on a slight diagonal would have been like being hit by a rain of .50 cal. bullets. Terrifying.
@williamsebestik5957
@williamsebestik5957 2 года назад
The flechettes also drop a lot faster than 120... it's a common misconception that people have. Terminal velocity is a product of gravity and wind resistance. The human body falls around 120. A lead projectile with much higher density and much lower wind resistance falls much faster.
@floydvaughn836
@floydvaughn836 2 года назад
Rumor has it, Russia is using flechettes in Ukraine. Reportage was via NPR, so...
@craigthescott5074
@craigthescott5074 Год назад
I own a WW2 Bridgeport 1928 Thompson and I absolutely love it. It’s a blast to shoot and a great investment.
@ChrisB2007
@ChrisB2007 6 лет назад
The developers of Call of Duty: WWII should have done their research before incorrectly calling the M1A1 in the game, the M1928.
@TruthSeekerD
@TruthSeekerD 6 лет назад
Video game logic and historical accuracy isn't held to high standards.
@DudeInWalmart
@DudeInWalmart 6 лет назад
All the guns in that game are incorrectly drawn. It's really annoying.
@griz312
@griz312 6 лет назад
Chris Baker Call of Duty has always had some incorrect detail about the gun all the way back to call of duty 1.
@tenacious645
@tenacious645 6 лет назад
@@TruthSeekerD it used to be
@tenacious645
@tenacious645 6 лет назад
Sad when the very first game was far more accurate than any of the shit they're throwing out today
@Dirt_McGurt
@Dirt_McGurt 6 лет назад
I love it when Gun Jesus lets us time travel a day ahead!
@antonelloprodomo1473
@antonelloprodomo1473 6 лет назад
Actually 3 days, there is also the M1A1 and the shooting video.
@kaziklubey966
@kaziklubey966 6 лет назад
haha and i love it when i see morons waste money just for posting a meaningless comment earlier
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 6 лет назад
@@Kevin-hx2ky how can one be such an ass
@kallyv5963
@kallyv5963 3 года назад
Dirt McGurt "Gun Jesus" that's great!!! Much love Ian!! Amen!!!!
@nathathial2973
@nathathial2973 3 года назад
praise
@willsmith1170
@willsmith1170 6 лет назад
This Thompson series is some of Ian’s best work, imo.
@soham6649
@soham6649 6 лет назад
Ian you linked an unreleased video in the latest Thompson video :)
@matthewb391
@matthewb391 6 лет назад
It's interesting to note that Great Britain made their final payment on the WW2 lend lease on December 31st 2006, 45.5 million pounds ($83 million US). The total debt was 21 billion by the end of WW2, well that explains why I pay so much tax....😀
@SusCalvin
@SusCalvin 4 года назад
This already starts in the Great War. The economy of all the warfaring european powers take a hit as they spend currency reserves and take loans to finance the war.
@lioncelica5170
@lioncelica5170 4 года назад
Now all your taxes go towards housing, feeding, and giving free money to all the immigrants from abroad being imported by the droves into Britain
@corecheng4833
@corecheng4833 6 лет назад
World War two: Thompson boogaloo
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
They were used to kill Nazis, not to play 'weekend warrior' with them.
@agathacathartese7041
@agathacathartese7041 6 лет назад
Just realised i felt bad for a company who lost money because no wars were being fought at the time
@davitdavid7165
@davitdavid7165 3 года назад
Firarms manufacturing has some wierd morals
@cykeok3525
@cykeok3525 2 года назад
@@davitdavid7165 A similar situation for all sorts of craftsmen of arms throughout history, I'm sure. Like, there's probably some blacksmith in the 11th century who had a hard time making ends meet, then suddenly gets a lot of work and makes bank when some lord started a war with another!
@real3wcitizen
@real3wcitizen Год назад
That's life. John M Browning had similar issues as well. They played their part. Company's come and go all the time. Automobile Companies in the beginning were the same way. They had over 2000 companies when first started out. You see a pattern occur throughout history, and even now. Don't feel bad, embrace it, respect it, and understand that nothing is guaranteed in life (except Jesus Christ).
@real3wcitizen
@real3wcitizen Год назад
@@davitdavid7165 That's the human race my friend (questionable and weird morals), fools who think they know right from wrong, will always think they have authority to judge others. However the only one that has authority to judge everyone is Jesus Christ himself. He is our judge, and savior.
@davitdavid7165
@davitdavid7165 Год назад
@real3wcitizen nah, as an atheist I have to disagree. If anything this is just an example of the perverse incentive structures that could happen under capitalism. In this case the war industrial complex obviusly benefits from wars, so the solution is to make them public and heavily scrutinise their leadership to weed out corruption.
@barfingcoyote210
@barfingcoyote210 6 лет назад
Dad said , it stayed in and with the jeep . It and ammo was to heavy for any long dismounted patrol . However , it was bad ass in a street fight . No real failures other than dirt from massive heavy use .
@oberonmeister
@oberonmeister 6 лет назад
Well, now I feel guilty for not supporting Ian on Patreon.
@Mpeterson1286
@Mpeterson1286 6 лет назад
I have an irrational love of the WWII Thompsons.
@astragreen
@astragreen 5 лет назад
Yes so have I, in fact to the extent that it's along with the 1911 the best gun ever invented, because it could also be used as a rifle, all be it medium to low velocity, however if it hit you in the arm it would blow it off, yes I love the Thompson gun!
@benoorehek8475
@benoorehek8475 5 лет назад
I preffer the m1921 modelbut every thompson is high tier
@avega2792
@avega2792 4 года назад
Scott Brooklyn even in the mid 90s the Thompson was still very popular on TV shows I watched in the 4th grade. Everything from cartoons, movies, comics, you name it. We watched reruns of shows from the 50s, 60s and 70s that drew from the previous generations like the roaring 20s all they way through WW2.
@thotpatrol9885
@thotpatrol9885 4 года назад
Please allow me to introduce to you then. . . The PPSH-41.
@Cheese21213
@Cheese21213 6 лет назад
4:20 that was very cash money of you France
@JackJohnson-tk4pv
@JackJohnson-tk4pv 3 года назад
I love your history of this wepon. My dad used one of these in ww2. although he said he never killed anyone. God rest his Soul.
@sonofnator6096
@sonofnator6096 6 лет назад
hearing Ian say "cash money" made my day
@kabced
@kabced 6 лет назад
That was very cash money of him.
@jonathanpresson777
@jonathanpresson777 6 лет назад
Ian, did you pick up a T.A.R.D.I.S. when you were in Britain? Because you're now transporting us to the future. What's next, guns that are bigger on the inside?
@rodrigogascagomez5190
@rodrigogascagomez5190 6 лет назад
Jonathan Presson Movie guns. Mags are bigger on the inside, at the very least.
@jonathanpresson777
@jonathanpresson777 6 лет назад
@@rodrigogascagomez5190 Ain't the truth. I was watching an old spaghetti western the other day and thought, "Wow, he's fired that revolver 17 times without reloading! I guess that ain't legal in California!"
@rodrigogascagomez5190
@rodrigogascagomez5190 6 лет назад
Jonathan Presson or the typical "spraying an area with an AK with a 30rd mag for half a minute"
@joegoodman4312
@joegoodman4312 6 лет назад
Absolutely outstanding video again. I’m now looking at my Thompsons and am learning their origins. Spot on, cheers Ian!
@TysoniusRex
@TysoniusRex 3 года назад
This series of videos on the Thompson was absolutely riveting. What a fascinating history of Auto Ordnance and the Thompson submachine gun. Very much appreciate the hands on demonstration of the differences between the various models, too. Thanks so much!
@nomadmarauder-dw9re
@nomadmarauder-dw9re 10 месяцев назад
Years ago I read The Gun That Made the Twenties Roar. There was a diagram of a frame with 9 Thompsons mounted in it. The idea was to mount the frame in the belly of an airplane and use 50 round drums for feeding. At CAS altitudes of 100/300 feet the beaten zone was projected as about the size of a football field. I say projected because as far as I know, it was never formally tested.
@Teguvas
@Teguvas 6 лет назад
Lugging this gun around in WW2 and the ammo must have taken a lot of strength/endurance. I was really surprised how heavy one was unloaded.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
Imagine it with a full, rattling, 50 round drum. They also made a 100 round drum.
@mikunan
@mikunan 4 года назад
Great review and history . Now ,I believe, Kahr owns Auto Ordinance and is still making a semi version.
@gunner678
@gunner678 6 лет назад
This is a great series, up there with your series on French rifles. Thanks Ian, I am really enjoying this!
@charles_wipman
@charles_wipman 6 лет назад
In Spain we call this cathegory of weapons 'subfusíl'; my fav is the 1928A, with the compensator the Tommy is über pimp to me.
@caprise-music6722
@caprise-music6722 6 лет назад
charles wipman cool! I want to have that version of tommy with the compensator in the new battlefield.
@kaziklubey966
@kaziklubey966 6 лет назад
fusil in French is rifle. Guess it's the same in Spanish
@kaziklubey966
@kaziklubey966 6 лет назад
So basically sub machine gun. Or subrifle (literally). In German it's Maschinenpistole (machine pistol). Machine gun (as you use it in the US as a legal term) usually always refers to actual machine guns (Maschinengewehre, literally machine rifle) such as LMGs, HMGs, SAWs etc.
@kaziklubey966
@kaziklubey966 6 лет назад
haha i know i'm actually half Swedish xD (and half Swiss). My Swedish is a little bit suboptimal (i wasn't born in Sweden and i don't live there, well only for vacation xD) but i knew that one Lol. Swedish generally speaking has very funny words. Not as funny as Dutch but it's up there
@kaziklubey966
@kaziklubey966 6 лет назад
SonsOfLorgar how hard is it to own guns in Sweden? Do you guys need a hunting license?
@victorwaddell6530
@victorwaddell6530 6 лет назад
Am I mistaken or is there a photo of Sir Winston Churchill carrying a Thompson ?
@thisnicklldo
@thisnicklldo 6 лет назад
Yes, but the the one's you see are a bit faked up, what would be photoshopped these days. He was inspecting some defences in northern England during the war, and they snapped him next to the soldiers, holding one of their weapons. Then they 'photoshopped' the soldiers out of it and set him centre-shot - makes it a much more dramatic picture. The Germans took the same shot, 'photoshopped' it in a very similar way, and used it as a propaganda poster to make him out to be a gangster.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
A few results from less than two seconds of internet search: rarehistoricalphotos.com/winston-churchill-tommy-gun-1940/ commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Winston_Churchill_fires_a_Thompson_submachine_gun_alongside_the_Allied_Supreme_Commander,_General_Dwight_D_Eisenhower,_during_an_inspection_of_US_invasion_forces,_March_1944._H36960.jpg www.auto-ordnance.com/winston-churchill/ www.ebay.com/itm/Churchill-Thompson-Tommy-gun-Keep-Calm-and-Carry-On-color-photo-I10105a-/223052538330 ww2f.com/threads/churchills-tommy-gun-found.53930/
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
I have one of the 'parts kit' Lend Lease Thompsons that had allegedly been sent to the USSR with Sherman tanks and M1 Half Track vehicles, then stored unissued until the 1990s in Ukraine. It lacks the original upper receiver (thus NFA legal) but came equipped with Lyman sight, finned barrel with Cutts, knurled bolt handle but smooth fire select and safe switches, two piece extractor, and non cross bolt stock. The S/N (Savage) is 68,797 below the one shown in the video.
@mrbcharrison
@mrbcharrison 2 года назад
I have one also. Have it mocked up on an 80% receiver. I wish I would have bought 2 but that was back in the day. The parts kit for these was never cheap but nothing like trying to pick one up now. There is a guy at our gun show (MI) who travels back and forth to Russia, etc picking up what he can and bringing back what he can. He said there are still crates of unfired Thompsons that they store very well deep in caves where the climate doesn't change. Can't bring them back, can't sell them, so they will eventually be 8 cents a pound scrap. Breaks my heart. I guess while we were friendly at a distance with Russia before we entered the war, we weren't friendly enough to supply .45ACP ammo.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 2 года назад
@@mrbcharrison The stories I've heard say that ammo was supplied, the Soviets simply were unimpressed with the Thompsons and the .45 ACP. Under present circumstances it wouldn't surprise me if local Ukrainian citizenry put those old 'Tommys' to use.
@GoreTorn16
@GoreTorn16 6 лет назад
The Thompson M1928A1 is what I remember distinctly from Medal of Honor (the first one) and Day of Defeat (first game). 100% iconic.
@yelastava6417
@yelastava6417 3 года назад
the one in dod i think i was a m1a1.
@cykeok3525
@cykeok3525 2 года назад
@@yelastava6417 Yeah, it was an M1 or M1A1. Had a forward handguard heat shield. No vertical foregrip.
@shadxwslash44
@shadxwslash44 Год назад
The Thompson started my fascination with guns. In all of the Call of Duty games I played as a kid, the Thompson was always my favourite.
@BillMcGirr
@BillMcGirr 6 лет назад
You’re videos are ALWAYS thorough and interesting. Great dialogue and visual. Keep up the great work Ian and company.👍
@hendrikschutyser6520
@hendrikschutyser6520 6 лет назад
This is sertainly one of my favorite videos. The story and the backround is for some weird reason so appealing and interesting to me . The way he narrates it is also verry pleasing of course.
@joepapp01
@joepapp01 4 года назад
These videos are utterly fascinating. I've only discovered forgotten weapons this week, but what genuinely compelling content.
@benoorehek8475
@benoorehek8475 5 лет назад
M1928a1 is the sexiest thompson Change my mind
@billb1725
@billb1725 6 лет назад
As always, terrific video. Detailed, smart and accurate. Your passion for this genre is evident and really brings me in. Preach Gun Jesus and we will come.
@CaptainGrief66
@CaptainGrief66 6 лет назад
7:40 Well, the italian equivalent for submachinegun is "Mitraglietta" as opposed to "Mitragliatrice", mitraglietta literally means tiny machinegun.
@benoorehek8475
@benoorehek8475 5 лет назад
Mitraljez Now i know from where we got the term
@DaveTex2375
@DaveTex2375 6 лет назад
It's funny to hear him say "Morphy's" , because it sounds like someone with a weird accent saying "Murphy's". Is it Just me?
@severianz
@severianz 6 лет назад
Enjoying the series. I have a great affection for these guns because cool and effective.
@jotabill
@jotabill 5 лет назад
I strongly recommend you read “quarterd safe out here “ a remarkable wartime memoir from a soldier fighting in Burma during WW2. He hated his Thompson. It was too heavy and rusted like buggery. At the first opportunity he discarded it in a river and armed himself with a lee Enfield. However this series is the most interesting and informative I have ever come across. I offer my congratulations.
@craigthescott5074
@craigthescott5074 Год назад
Hard to believe anybody would discard a subgun for a bolt action rifle in jungle warfare.
@Chu466
@Chu466 6 лет назад
yeyy two videos today! :)
@lampofexperience6296
@lampofexperience6296 6 лет назад
And auto ordanance still couldn't stay in business
@ChiTownGuerrilla
@ChiTownGuerrilla 6 лет назад
Love this series so much Ian! You should do one about the M16 in Vietnam
@ernst_junger
@ernst_junger 6 лет назад
So does the M1928A1 designation denote a model with the simplified features like the stamped metal ejector and stamped rear sight, or does the designation just refer to models produced for military contracts and all the simplifications fall under “M1928A1”? Were all those changes made at the same time or step by step and, if so, did each of those models with different simplifications have different designations?
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
M1928A1 was the designation for Thompsons that would be built after existing stocks of Colt built 1921 models that had been converted to 'M1928' configuration were finally exhausted. New production would be built to the M1928 specifications and was thus dubbed M1928A1. The economizing changes came bit by part, so a late production 'Tommy' would appear rather different from an early unit. The M1 was a complete redesign (by Savage) of the upper receiver and internals.
@vthegoose
@vthegoose 3 года назад
To give some context, $200 in 1940 is equal to *$3900* in 2021. That’s about the cost of 4 m4 carbines
@hk_4014
@hk_4014 6 лет назад
Hey Ian if you could only have 5 guns which ones would they be?
@Statusinator
@Statusinator 6 лет назад
Three different Berthiers, a Chauchat, and a Bergmann
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL 5 лет назад
druming maniac What could Gun Jesus do with only 5 guns (and 2 mags)?
@tabaccopuro
@tabaccopuro Год назад
Amazing & informative series on my fav, the Tommy. I missed out on buying one 40 years ago. It sat inside a red-felt musical instrument case as I remember it. The shop had it sitting on the floor behind its counter. I'm sure it was much cheaper back then.
@jonrunnells8127
@jonrunnells8127 Год назад
Thompsons now go for $2450 (semi auto models) to $25k (1928 full auto models)
@GiggleBlizzard
@GiggleBlizzard 6 лет назад
Why did they change from the vertical grip? I'm not very aware of the pros and cons of the two styles of grips (vertical and horizontal) but I am under the impression that vertical foregrips are generally considered superior?
@jasonirwin4631
@jasonirwin4631 6 лет назад
For military use a vertical grip is something that can easily break. Horizontal grips are less likely to break and are easier to make. The 1928A1 was the start of the second batch of manufacturer and was a rushed war time build. So a easier to make part was needed.
@konstantin.v
@konstantin.v 6 лет назад
For added convenience when using it prone or from inside a trench, maybe? Which becomes more likely during the war ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@ridermak4111
@ridermak4111 6 лет назад
Cost and manufacturing speed. Same reasons as the other changes. The war needed a million, right now.
@Rydeman2
@Rydeman2 6 лет назад
The straight forearm was also easier to mount a sling to.
@burlatsdemontaigne6147
@burlatsdemontaigne6147 6 лет назад
Vertical grips (and magazines) impede firing from the prone position. One of the reasons the Germans liked using captured Stens was because they were a better weapon for urban skirmishing when crawling around on your stomach.
@g24thinf
@g24thinf 6 лет назад
Another excellent episode Ian, wasn't the removable stock done away with in the later 1928's also?
@madacro5671
@madacro5671 6 лет назад
Maguire was definitely a lucky guy! With his previous business ethics did it catch up to him or did he die rich?
@MrLukealbanese
@MrLukealbanese 6 лет назад
Fascinating history for the 'typewriter'.
@bobs1150
@bobs1150 6 лет назад
Oddly enough, I was just listening to "Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner". Great song.
@bandysxxx
@bandysxxx 6 лет назад
Bob Stinson Warren Zevon. Totally cool song.
@pstrap1311
@pstrap1311 6 лет назад
Norway's greatest son.
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 6 лет назад
Very cool. Nice weapons. In comparison I once read that the US military paid approximately $54 dollars apiece for M1911A1s during WW2.
@Duransurik
@Duransurik 6 лет назад
i highly enjoy these series that cover in depth the history of a platform very informative
@kaziklubey966
@kaziklubey966 6 лет назад
Gun Jesus! I love you! Greetings from Switzerland
@alexandrupopescu7097
@alexandrupopescu7097 6 лет назад
Kaziklu Bey Switzerland fan ! Yey !
@kaziklubey966
@kaziklubey966 6 лет назад
at least you're a fan! i'll give you my Swiss passport for your US one ok?
@Angelum_Band
@Angelum_Band 6 лет назад
Ian your videos have become more and more historically detailed. That is very much appreciated.
@sureshot8399
@sureshot8399 Год назад
Among a whole ton of guns - including homemade submachine guns - I got to shoot a later model Tommy which was one of many captured terrorist weapons in Northern Ireland. It was a really fun weapon to shoot and is probably my favourite of the many I got to use over the years. Very little recoil and very controllable in the right hands. This series Ian put together was a very good history of the gun.
@bolawdean
@bolawdean 6 лет назад
Great video series Ian...would love more series like this of the development of iconic firearms
@LoneWolf051
@LoneWolf051 6 лет назад
so are we gonna get a complete rundown of the other US subguns to accompany the Thompson? Reising M-50 and M3? I know you've done individual vids, but not in extreme details like this series
@williamprince1114
@williamprince1114 6 лет назад
Did the Germans, after defeating and occupying France, take any of the French Thompson's into their inventory of substitute standard firearms like they did Stems and PPSH? What nomenclature did they assign it?
@Clipgatherer
@Clipgatherer 7 месяцев назад
The ‘AC’ probably stands for Al Capone. He did buy a few Tommies. 😊
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL 5 месяцев назад
Might be a slight chance that it stands for Alternating Current.
@maxsmodels
@maxsmodels 6 лет назад
I have frired a 1928 and an M1 Thompson. The difference was substantial. The absences of the Blish lock, Cutts compensator and the smoothness of the 1928 was noticeable. The M1 worked OK but it just felt cheaper. Sort of a Cadillac vs Chevy kind of thing. They both did the job.
@mfree80286
@mfree80286 6 лет назад
I would rather not sound like I'd strapped a maraca to my webbing. When Ian says the drums rattle, it's an understatement.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
@@mfree80286 The 1921, 1928, and 1928A1 models could be fed with drum or stick mags. Many GIs threw away drum mags as soon as they could get several stick mags for the very reason you mentioned, as well as the fact that drums are a pain to reload.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
The M1 and M1A1 models had entirely different upper receivers and reciprocating parts than the previous models.
@edogould9865
@edogould9865 2 года назад
Definitely one of my fantasy wish list toys. If someone gave me anyone of these I would say thankyou!
@troy9477
@troy9477 6 лет назад
Good times. Sounds like Morphy's has quite a batch this time. I know some of the history and differences, and i knew about Savage, but it's great to have all this detail. Especially side by side comparison. Great video as always. Thank you
@jesusisalive3227
@jesusisalive3227 4 года назад
The Thompson is my favorite gun with the Browning BAR coming a close second!
@floydvaughn836
@floydvaughn836 2 года назад
You know the Devil's Brigade? The Canadians liked the Garand, and everyone liked the Thompson. But the Canadians begged to swap BAR for Bren guns. Not feasible, since the Brits didn't have any to spare, none were being made in .30/06, and command didn't want to complicate logistics with a requirement for .303. And rightly so. What about the Johnson, you say. The Johnson was the Stoner of it's day. Of course, upon arriving in Italy, the Force learned to love the MG 42.
@ljc7738
@ljc7738 6 лет назад
Nice video Ian, now we need a CZ sa vz.58 video, or a FN 49 video, or a FMK 3 vid
@real3wcitizen
@real3wcitizen Год назад
Thanks for making this video. Your knowledge, and history of this firearm is outstanding. You were able to convey the illustrations of the past without even incorporating photo stock of those times, and yet I was able to clearly see it in my head. You have a gift as a historian, and a storyteller. A lost art these days.
@SootHead
@SootHead 6 лет назад
Great series, Ian. Very well done! Tommy guns rule!
@Sean-lt1gg
@Sean-lt1gg 6 лет назад
I love your channel, I will shoot myself if I have to sit through another one of those trump ads.....
@finnmcool2
@finnmcool2 5 лет назад
It's impressive that Auto Ordinance could was able to adapt to the change in demand that quickly.
@AR-ng4gr
@AR-ng4gr 5 лет назад
The thudding noise at 15:17 is from the video that’s not the ghost in ur home. This is for the ones living alone and watching with a stereo sound system and heard that noise coming from the end of the dark hallway ..
@TheComet55555
@TheComet55555 4 года назад
Who holds the gun for a year after you win a bid waiting for the permit
@craigthescott5074
@craigthescott5074 3 года назад
The dealer or the original owner until the paperwork is in your name.
@AnimeFan_2013
@AnimeFan_2013 6 лет назад
I prefer the horizontal forend over the vertical grip
@sandmansleeping
@sandmansleeping 6 лет назад
At one point, you refer to the finish being applied to sandblasted metal, although some viewers might not know that the surface you were showing at the time is clearly milled, with rough mill marks.
@SPRKH69
@SPRKH69 6 лет назад
You can sand blast milled pieces though
@sandmansleeping
@sandmansleeping 6 лет назад
@@SPRKH69 at 7:40 for example, you can clearly see roughly milled non-sandblasted surfaces. Sandblasting will remove these tool marks when done after milling. The large radiuses are what I am talking about: they are from the milling tool cutting from one side to another. This is apparent in all close shots, and there are no apparent sandblasting marks. Sandblasting was also relatively rare pre 1960s. Edit: never mind. I did some searching, they evidently spared no expense and did some light sandblasting, which wouldn't remove tooling marks but would make the finish stick
@GeraudRulz
@GeraudRulz 6 лет назад
Loving the series Ian! Would be awesome if you finished up the series with a shooting video with the awesome slow-mo you have been doing lately.
@dgiorgi1725
@dgiorgi1725 Год назад
Nice presentation of these Firearms Ian, what a great job, thanks
@deedeeramone7964
@deedeeramone7964 4 года назад
Why would they cut the compensator off for the police?
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
The Cutts Compensator was a 'cost option'. Auto Ordnance, Stoeger, and other ads of the 1920s and 30s offered Thompsons without compensators at $175.00, with compensator for $200.
@Papafreud94
@Papafreud94 6 лет назад
"Oupsie"
@tenacious645
@tenacious645 6 лет назад
Those aren't as cool as the the M1A1 imo
@dkoz8321
@dkoz8321 6 месяцев назад
My question to OP and well as bring open question. How did residents of Sigma Iotia II get tooling to manufacture this weapon. Why did they manufacture original M1928 and not A1 variant? is it true that Sigma Iotian version had SN starting with TOS? I do beleive that price of Sigma Iotian variant was other worldly.
@tonylam9548
@tonylam9548 6 месяцев назад
The Thompson was the American equivalent to the German MG 34. It was high quality, but complex and expensive, but it provide a gun to the Germans and Americans till they design something more suitable, and cheaper. The Germans the MG42 and Americans the Grease gun.
@J4Y84
@J4Y84 Год назад
Wah.. haha can take Drums too!! Alright Rev2 : "Machine Pistol" Confirmed!! & they say it couldnt be a Thompson on imfdb!! 😀😀
@garyneilson1833
@garyneilson1833 6 лет назад
Am I the only person who thinks Ian should be wearing a pin stripe suit and federo whilst narrating this series of videos
@varuug
@varuug 5 лет назад
And a cigar..
@lionplateado3306
@lionplateado3306 6 лет назад
the late production M1928A1 looked really interesting. The removal of the fins on the barrel makes it look a lot better.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
Opinion.
@craigthescott5074
@craigthescott5074 Год назад
Na the fins look way better.
@henryhorner3182
@henryhorner3182 Год назад
l always thought I'd like to own one. A firm sold replica (non-fully automatic) replicas in the 1970s. But I couldn't afford one at the time.
@tessalyyvuo1667
@tessalyyvuo1667 4 месяца назад
Certain Private Pike very much liked this gun... Rest in peace Ian Lavender. 7:36 This includes Germany and Finland.
@Blitz350
@Blitz350 6 лет назад
Rule of Acquisition #34: War is good for business.
@omartorres5688
@omartorres5688 2 года назад
Thompson: High class quality engineering MP40: Section 8 El cheapo gun by comparison
@fullretardcustomguns837
@fullretardcustomguns837 6 лет назад
I do have a desire to own a registered full auto Thompson. Please support my GoFundme page at "I wanna shoot fast" also any funds for ammo would be mighty appreciated!
@meansartin
@meansartin 6 лет назад
I thought Singer Sewing Machine Co. made Thompsons as well during WWII
@johnrecknor925
@johnrecknor925 4 года назад
Singer made a run of 500 1911 A1 45 autos.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 года назад
No. Auto Ordnance and Savage. Colt built the first batch in 1921.
@royalcityman
@royalcityman Год назад
I always refer to the version without the compensator or fins as the A1. At the point they were building this, it was just about utility and economics at the cost of slightly reduced effectiveness.
@Jimmie-y7e
@Jimmie-y7e 5 месяцев назад
Print says 125 finish or better. Millhand is gonna send them a 125 finish. He don't wanna take blame for any profit margin loss.
@Oblithian
@Oblithian 4 года назад
So Britain ordered just a few then? lol
@anthonyfoutch3152
@anthonyfoutch3152 5 месяцев назад
My father carried one in WWII 1930s criminals loved the Thompson and the BAR.
@zachariaszut
@zachariaszut 6 лет назад
I don't know if I am allowed to post links here, but here it goes: bimba.info/en/car-news/2016/06/09/classic-rolls-royce-silver-ghost-comes-with-own-arsenal-of-weapons
@jwdickinson1
@jwdickinson1 6 месяцев назад
I’m betting the Thompson family rued the decision to sell the original A.O. company.
@LarryGarcia-p3j
@LarryGarcia-p3j Месяц назад
Its a heavy, bulky piece of crap. It may look good, but looks dont save lives. Enough said...
@coldwarrior7812
@coldwarrior7812 3 года назад
I had a chance to shoot a 1928 in Panama after we took down Noriega. It was the "heavy" weapon in an almost deserted police precinct out on the edge of the Darian. It was in great shape, vertical front grip looked like really nice walnut. Police had one drum and two 20 rd stick mags. I got to shoot it because I fixed several 30 rd mags that had been damaged (bent/crushed) some years previously. Ran like a top. Also saw several in the hands of Turkish soldiers, along with M1 rifles, while in Turkey in '87 or '88. They were our "bodyguard" detail to protect us from Kurdish "bandits" while on NATO exercise in eastern Turkey. Of course they were in great,if well used, shape.
@vampolascott36
@vampolascott36 4 месяца назад
I love that little bit of USMC history. I served in the Marines and yeah, it's obvious to me why those guys loved them.
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