WotC's Worst Product Ever 

This is what I was thinking. Like a really expensive power 9 proxi for those hyper dedicated EDH players who would like an "official proxy", steep price but I guess it could kinda make sense. But this, this is dumb

@@ProjectPTSheep given that Power 9 is widely banned in most playgroups, I would be amazed that people actually run them in their EDH decks, even if allowed.

Random PROXIES, not even legitimate Magic cards usable in a sanctioned game. For $1,000.

999 should get a full powered vintage cube in proxies,

WAIT WHAT I was honestly excited and ready to shell out a thousand bucks for the full set, thinking you get the full set in old border + 4 boosters which can contain new border versions. What the hell.

Rich AND stupid. The average rich person will look at this and laugh.

totally agree

@@proteincannon Agreed. Unless you're a scalper, no sane rich person is going to buy this crap.

So Magic then? Lol

same laugh that people who bought into CE are laughing?

Don't say this. You'll give them ideas. Same product but real not proxy, double the price. 😵

It just feels like one big game of "greater fool." I think nearly no one is planning to buy these packs, open them and then play with the cards they opened. If they wanted to do that, they could just spend a tiny amount of money on a proxy, or a huge amount of money on actual revised cards. Both are better than spending $999 to get random proxies. The only reason to buy this product is the hope that you'll be able to unload it on a greater fool down the line, who in turn hopes to unload it on a greater fool.

@@lightworker2956 the other reason to buy this product is because they will be collector's items. It's for the 30th anniversary and high price products automatically become "rarer" collectors' pieces because not many people will have the funds to buy this product so supply will be low. The collectors' market is one of the biggest reason alpha cards are so expensive so they created a collectors' product based around a collectors' product so they didn't actually solve anything.

They can't hear us over the sound of all the $$$$$ they're making.

It seems live it even travels around the Universe(s Beyond) and couldn’t hit the mark with GPS guidance.

Except the earth is flat. Wake up, Globie

Honestly this hits the market, 100% bullseye. So excited for this.

@@FriarPop then you're the problem

It doesn't miss the Mark Rosewater tho, that's what counts 🤡

they're reprinting that next

If I can afford 999 im getting some onslaught fetches

If i can afford that, I would put it stones instead of cardboard.

I'm building 10+ Digimon decks.

i can get a model for that for one night

There are 5 Laces that laugh at the value of those cards.

I hope this happens to everyone that buys this product.

force of nature and lord of the pit are pretty iconic cards at least. personally, i can't wait to rip a bunch of thoughtlace proxies.

@@BeefSalsaa I second this 😂 this is the most outrageous thing wizards has done that I can remember

Savannah lion was a rare in alpha, fucking imagien opening a $250 booster and your rare being a pauper unplayable…

Wholeheartedly agreed. I used to get on Konami's case about how they treat Yu-Gi-Oh! but this??? Konami looks like a charity now!

Do you blame them? I’d do the same thing they needed to make up for these the terrible sets

There are better proxy products at much better prices

I have a proxy play set of each dual land in 3 different arts and it cost me $30. Blow your money psychos.

I’ve always wanted a fake black lotus!

@@zillawith3zs234 from where?

🤣

even a full set of legal cards for that price would be a rip off. the secondary market bubble is not an accurate way to evaluate value.

If this had been just a regular booster box, aka a reasonable chance of opening P9, and not priced much higher than one either, I'd love it.

@Shores of Pluto "Gaming is really starting to suck" At the very least, please say "AAA Gaming". There are great games out there. Not all of gaming sucks, such a narrow minded view. 🙄

@Shores of Pluto I'm just sick of everyone saying that "gaming is dying/dead". Bullshit.

I’d have bought one and framed it.

They forgot Rage Inducing 😵

It'll sell out, because we have insane people playing this game.

Ive had this thought since before D&D set with the godzilla cards. I fear that the move towards collaboration products is proving that they are both having a hard time creating new ideas, and also getting hungry for more money. and thus drum up buzz by collaborating with other games that are admittedly bashing their original fanbases and desperately seeking new audiences. And with the social political direction Magic is choosing to go, it is likely we are starting to see one of those "get woke go broke" situations.

@@casualgoats well I sort of agree with you, but I’m just so hopeful (maybe too hopeful lol) that they’ll find their new direction. I mean, I didn’t have a problem with the DND sets since Wizards does own both games and there were a lot of people looking forwards to a crossover, and I did like a lot of the recent sets (for example Innistrad and Kamigaws were cool returns, the others I liked exempt most-like Capenna-felt too condensed). I just hope they can find themselves releasing cards like they used to, where they would be able to tell a good narrative over a multiple set block, and not have to release so many cards a year to get the public to buy them. Those are my only big issues right now honestly, the story which right now seems gone and the amount of shit cards they are releasing for the same expensive pricing. Maybe Dominaria United will help but only time will tell.

I stopped playing during war of the spark because I didn't like the direction things were going with the special japanese only alternate arts. And it's been a major downhill cash grab ever since. I am sooo glad I got out.

It’s like how much money can we squeeze out of are players with stupid bull sh*t

@@casualgoats no this is all signs that now wizards has Hasbro full backing and they are shoveling money to produce these products,,, basically they are covering production cost of all new products from now on ,,,so yeah it's not stopping anytime soon ,,,lol I don't even have enough money to play

This will make the proxy market boom!

I was at my lgs years ago and someone was gonna throw away a high quality proxy black lotus and mox sapphire, I asked what it was and he just gave them to me lol.

MPC will sell me a proxy lotus for much less, and with a 100% drop rate :P

And eBay will also give much better odds on a real lotus for also a much lower price, lol. Like, seriously, 40 packs of this isn't remotely a guarantee for a lotus, and the price of that is about what an unlimited lotus goes for right now.

Great tweet about it: “Do you want to spend 800 dollars on a real Underground Sea or 999 dollars for a chance for a fake one?”

50% of these will be opened by RU-vidrs, 10% by Giga-Chads, and the other 40% will be in Walmart Bargain Boxes in 2 years.

Is it really a pile of bulk if it's only 60 cards? That's like, a jumble of bulk at best.

@@themonkeyhand Honey honey honey no…these things are gonna be a “crown jewel” of sorts in LGS for years to come. It’ll be the “cool product” no one actually buys but wants to look at until some really high roller comes in one day to buy it for themselves for way over $1k. Things are priced at what people are willing to pay and given the state of mtgfinance right now, people will definitely pay it

If WotC ever delivers them

“I spent $1000 and I got a Thoughtlace…”

This is what it feels like... last feeble attempt to bleed a dying game dry.

Ive read before that having multiple crossovers is a sign that a game is dying. Seeing all the UB news worries me

It's because they are run by a bunch of Woke ivory tower ideologues who are out of touch with reality

literally every company is doing this, the financial system is in a death spiral

You can pay $0.25 per card from proper proxy companies and you can request specific cards. So you don't have to worry about not opening a cards you want.

@@proteincannon Got a link? I havent seen proxies that cheap and would be interested

@@dist0rti0n81 I second that.

@@proteincannon Yeah seriously, quit holding out.

@@proteincannon ...well?

I'll proxy all my commander decks from now on. Gonna save me from stupidly spending about 500+ € each month.

Selling for cheap so we can play? 😁

Don’t miss out! This is your one chance to get this rare product that all the cool kids will have. You don’t want to be the only one without not-quite-legal pieces of cardboard.

Same. I sold off my collection in 95 and regret it to this day, started again during Ravnica. I really like having cards with "value", but damn, I feel like such a mark buying all this bullshit they're pushing for more and more money, it's absurd.

I’d cation you to wait to sell buy lists are very low sell once the recession ends if you can afford to wait

It's so great how you can get trash rares, tokens, and basic lands 😄

@@butHomeisNowhere___ I mean buy a pack of Alpha and the rares are sometimes basics so they are just making things like they used to be!

@@majinshinsa Wow! A realistic 1992 experience! I should open these packs while listening to Alice in Chains 😂

You love it, then buy it. If you're not buying it, ya don't love it. Or if you do, then you clearly enjoy being taken advantage of and disposed of like a used condom.

@@mindlightwave you say that like it’s a bad thing

exactly. it will be even worse in 5 years

And as long as people keep fucking buying into this bull shit and standard they'll keep doing it.

It's not surprising now. I saw this shit coming when Modern Masters originally hit. Haven't given them money since.

@@b0xf0x13 For me it was war of the spark and all the modern reprint sets. Iconic masters, modern masters what ever other 5 fuckin sets they reprinted. Go figure WH40k pulled me back into the game. But I will be pretty much strictly commander from now on.

Yes.

Ya got that right Steve. It’s a big nothing burger.

This is a $1,000 nostalgia cash grab in proxy form.

And they are randomized. Never mind all the basic land and tokens that eat up the slots in those 60 cards, but you might even pull a llanowar elves!

For EDH

You serious? Mtgfinance scalpers are gonna buy all of these.

It's going to sell out instantly.....for proxies 🤣

cope

@@metalplaysgames the 93/94 community might welcome those as legal cards they did so with collectors edition

@@daftwulli6145 makes sense since the most powerful cards of the format can't be officially reprinted. Hopefully it's a testing of the waters and eventually the RL goes away and the new serialized and alt versions replace it one day

Just get proxies man. Its so cheap and just as good. Any casual game doesn’t care if they’re “official” anyways since you’re just there to have fun

Gouging*

@@raedien no they're gauging how much people are willing to part with

The price gouging is out of control. I wonder how many people will die without access to gold-bordered Lotuses.

I can't imagine the prof would be willing to support this slap in the face.

@@raedien Gauging is the correct term here. This is not price gouging. This is not a necessary commodity in a time of crisis, it's a fucking card game that no one has to play. Players are bitching and moaning about WotC this and WotC that but we are the ones with our foot on the pedal. WE determine the prices by our purchasing decisions. If we refuse to buy this, they won't do it again. But when we inevitably buy every single one of these, we will only have ourselves to blame when they do it next time for $5000.

lmao because you can't afford it?

@@nettlesomereflexion I can afford it and this is such a terrible value proposition that I'd rather buy 1000 dollars worth of glitter and have it delivered through your letter box, you greasy corporate bootlicker

@@nettlesomereflexion because; 1. They cost the same to produce as a standard set 2. They are proxies, and not tournament legal There are plenty of more reasons but I think those are the main reasons. I'm sure it doesn't help that these are reserved list cards either.

@@nettlesomereflexion why would you want to? Just buy third party proxies for less than 1% the price. They are still proxies

@@Wicked_Carnifex these aren't proxies smh

Welcome to the club brethren 💪🏾

More like completely stupid, officially licensed proxies are still proxies, are they not?

except the 93 CE “proxies” are worth a ton of money….

@@nettlesomereflexion this is true, but my statement still applies, people that pay outrageous prices for cards that arent tournament legal are out of their minds, ofc this is just my opinion, which is worth less than proxies, so wtf do i know lol.

@@nettlesomereflexion Are you out of your mind? They're "worth a tonne of money" because WotC said so. Secondary markets will decide, based on the price of the product, that these reprints need to be worth something because otherwise there'd be no point purchasing them. The playable black lotus cards are expensive because of their power as a game piece and their genuine scarcity - they weren't printed with a price tag in the thousands, but their value comes from the shared concept and understanding that these pieces are just that special. The scarcity of these "collector edition" game pieces, which as a reminder aren't legal in sanctioned events, is artificial and intentional, based on the secondary market value of the real pieces. These might as well be forgeries sealed in packets that imitate the originals from the 90s. I'm sure some people will buy them, directly from wizards or second-hand, but at comical asking prices like $1000? What a waste that will be.

Exactly.

I hate to say it but I have to imagine this is going to be profitable for them. They keep moving in this direction so they must be getting feedback in the form of purchases that this is what some amount of people want. I agree it’s not a good thing though.

@@PhantasmalBlast with it being limited run I feel like its hard to not be profitable. its 1000 per 4 packs how expensive can the cardboard and ink rly be?

just like politics. the disconnect is so real

@@PhantasmalBlast they make money out of whales but the whales alone don’t sustain the market, the prices would drop of average player just abandon the game

@ Close. Whales do pretty much sustain the market. If the average player abandons the game, then the whales lose people to play against, and outside of collectors, there'd be no reason to buy those cards. That's the way it is in any whale-based economic structure. Non-whales are literally content for the whales, too.

Whatever Pokemon are doing is working, cards retain value, are relatively easily obtainable and provide a pretty well balanced metagame.

LEGO ftw, hope the rumor of LOTR sets returning is true

I will be honest I was thinking about going back and buying all the old school Pokemon cards that I grew up with and some of the new ones look so good I just don't know anything about the Pokemon market. I would love to get into it at some point and the rate Wizards is going I might be getting there soon.

I've had the opposite effect in that they've helped me realize collecting anything is a huge waste of time and money.

Just play casual commander with cheap decks (under 100€/$) and the fun will come back.

My friend ALI can get you some on the cheap with EXPRESS shipping!

l'ETSY what all the hubbub is about proxy acquisition!

it'll definitely still sell out

The print run will be way smaller though

@@nettlesomereflexion thats not a good thing. nor is is an excuse.

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 feeling entitled to every single thing hasbro makes isn't healthy

Honestly it would have sold like hotcakes at $15. You wouldn't have been able to pay me to not draft it.

Man reserve list jumpstart could be fantastic.

I can see it now. Noobs buying a jumpstart vintage box to learn the game and they start slamming black lotus's down on each other

Jumpstart deserves to not exist.

It's not exactly a fun format to be honest

The only way the booster box game goes more than one box is if he gets old border power 9

with this move from wotc i don't see any difference to buy from them or the Ebay guy my thoughts on this is "WHY?" cuz they just make proxy a "good" thing to have now

@@hydracollector3588 i mean, they aren't making proxies a "good thing", they are explicitly saying these will not be tournament legal, and going the extra mile updating the card frame and font to ensure you cannot pass these as the old collectors edition cards. They are just making the most blantant and gynormous cash grab ever, basically offering useless art prints for a grand. If it was just the power 9 and the 10 duals for a grand? Maybe. At least you have some cool "original" proxies. But as a random thing that 94.7% of the time will backfire on you, i will stick to my cool foil Trop

Hell, the proxy guys are doing it better than WOTC nowadays anyways. Lmao. I like my foils flat anyways.

Do it.

not just vintage, every format.

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 I mean, with WotC removing most tournament support, there’s not much they can say about it anymore

@Shores of Pluto Imagine being the decision makers at WotC and a) removing the only incentive you can provide people *not* to proxy (the promise of sanctioned tournaments with a professional-level payout structure that you can only play with real cards) and b) implicitly endorse proxies by printing official versions of RL cards, but price them out of everyone’s accessibility. If you were trying to drive people into buying counterfeit cards you couldn’t plan a better way to do it.

We should just play flesh and blood

They're not drunk on greed, they're drunk on suffering and require funds to keep going. there's a few people who've put videos out there on the supply and demand. basically they're making to much to fast, quality is down and with the inflation? recipe for disaster, more to it than what's stated above but yes... they're dying.

I would love to draft Vintage Masters

Realistically it would need to be 3-5k for a booster box, just to keep it in line with other premium collectible products. Ultimate collection by upper deck is 200 for a 4 card pack. Stature is 220 a pack 8 cards a pack.

you don´t want to draft this set believe me

It’d be nice if everything is free in the world, but it isn’t. Lol

@@deleteduser6074 At last a realistic comment! This is a completely optionnal collectible (Not playable) product, you won't miss anything gameplay wise if you don't buy it and anyone wanting ultra collectible stuff can get it.

Lost my sides

alpha has the power 9, the og duals and a ton of other cool rares like time vault, and let us not forget they actually have a ton of cool uncommons like demonic tutor. So the chances you just wiff on all 4 packs is pretty small

@@daftwulli6145 its actually not The whiff chance is extremely high like Higher than just opening a single actual alpha pack

@Always On It OP talked about hill giants, are you saying demonic is just like a hill giant ? And demonic was just an example there is a ton of cool uncommons in alpha, maybe look at the set list.

@@daftwulli6145 And you aren't getting any of them. Just a proxy that will nosedive in value the moment you order it.

@@V2ULTRAKill LOOL how do you figure that the wiff chance is higher then an actual alpha pack ? An alpa starter was recently auctioned at 100k, at that point it is basically lotus or bust and they only have 2 rare slots. Actual alpha also has the infamous island rare, where you can get a basic island in stead of a rare. You clearly never opened alpha.

Got a set of Japanese style duals off there, super nice

@Sid The sloth exactly, I mean hell I have a proxy of Bayou that is much darker than the original printing and has the proxy maker's logo in the bottom right corner, my old group didn't care about it at all and let me use it, not to mention that if you touch it out of the sleeve it's actually pretty sticky

i think you're missing the point... look at how valuable the collector's edition cards are. these are an "investment." there's very little play value in this edition. you buy this to horde and sell later to another nut. they're not proxies, they're not even magic cards.

@@nettlesomereflexion sealed playable product is an investment, the original collector's editions where you have a full set of the cards are an investment, this is wizards testing the upper bounds on what they can get away with

@@poolfuhrer while i agree that this is a product wotc is using to gauge interest (which i'm guessing is very high and will continue), i still don't understand the vitriol.

where would you recommend looking for those?

@@voland6846 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--dlyGCdZt8Q.html

@@voland6846 Places that sell printer ink.

@@Supernov4 places that sell printer ink have staff artists who do beautiful fantasy art...?

@@voland6846 Not the sharpest tool in the shed huh

That was my HUGE regret. Regular boxes, great value for me as a newish player. Wish they would’ve just done set boosters though. Not making the mistake of buying proxies.

I'm a new player and thought those were something I should buy :( I have no idea what's valuable or what I should purchase for the game. Right now I just get precons for fun

Every box will sell. Because of course they will. There are people out there with the finances to buy this purely due to the scarcity. Mark my words, not a single box will remain unsold.

@@TaskMaster5 Yeah this will definitely sell out. I’d rather buy $1000 worth of regular Magic product personally.

100usd to have a real feeling lotus? Hell ya, everyone at my local would have a lotus in their commander deck just to say they had it!

@@SatinFoxx it's not even guaranteed, it's $1000 per 4 packs. For a CHANCE.

@@LoxeBi exactly! Fucking crazy!