Would Bobby Fischer Still Be in the TOP TEN Today? 

I'd be amazing to be in a world where Bobby was one of my contemporaries... instead of 9/11 breaking him (and to be sure, it's a key moment in the collapse of Western Civilization), he might be even more brash about how even the most honest and transparent symmetrical information game on the planet was being rigged and massaged by FIDE et al.

Yes, those who consider Carlsen the best ever disregard the fact that that he has chess engines. Fischer did his own analysis. If World class engines had existed in Fischer's day, you can be sure he'd have had a few computers running around the clock to perfect his game.

@@zanti4132 Carlsens opponents also have engines so that argument does not count and is not an advantage for him relative to Fischer. In my opinion Fischer, Kasparov and Carlsen are on the same level.

Nobody more driven to play chess then fischer? Ever heard of Tyler1? 😀

@@crocothemisfisher was so much better then second place carlson had had multiple world champ matches go to rapid run outs. huge difference

Fischer vs Geller in 1967 Fischer 17:exf7??? 17:Rook f6!! wins easily! Fischer vs Stein famous Bishop f5! But earlier 26:Knight f7! Or 26:a3! wins easily! Fischer vs Larsen game one 1971 Bishop f3??? Bishop d6!! Wins easily! Fischer vs Spassky in 1966 olympiad Queen a6??? Rook e3!! wins easily! Fischer beat the weakest chess World champion Boris Spassky only 17 wins 10 losses! Capablanca would beat Spassky easily 8 wins 6 draws zero losses! Carlsen would beat Spassky easily 6 wins 6 draws zero losses!!

Stockfish 16 would beat Fischer 999-1!!!

​@@RaineriHakkarainenBorris Spassky was literally best in the world second to Fischer, you act like the WC was just given to Spassky. Check out his beautiful games and wins even against karpov. The weakest WC to their time period is easily Liren. Also capablanca played for some time after he lost his world championship, it's not like he was super dominant for a long period of time.

​@@builderphill1361 Spaskys Kings Gambit games were brilliant, worth looking up

@@RaineriHakkarainenstockfish would destroy anyone including Magnus what’s your point

It's scary imagining a 20 year old Fischer using Stockfish ! lol

@@davidgothard3055 It is indeed.

Fischer would battle it out with stockfish

Fischer was the chess engine back then

you mean if fischer was born 1990? he had been 2900 or 2920 according to the stockfish channel

He might finally have had some competition. Same with Morphy.

@@evelynn4273 Well said!

Would you consider the last great chess players before the chess engines got really powerful to be the true last "human chess" players?

He stopped playing in the 70s there were no serious engines

@@maestromind9244 no one said there were?

Bobby never mentioned chess engines. He sure said chess was becoming a memory game.

​@@crocothemis Back thrn he didnt, but there are a couple of videos of him talking about engines. He lived well into the 21st century.

Well... the same could more or less be said about Paul Morphy.

@@davidanderson_surrey_bc One of Fischer's chess heroes, & from whom he took parts of his game.

First time I've seen that question flipped around. Nice thinking!

and what peak elo will prag get in the future do you think?

Come on! Bobby Fischer beat the weakest chess World champion Spassky only 17 wins 11 losses! Carlsen is 100 times better than Spassky! Capablanca would beat Spassky easily 8 wins 6 draws zero losses! Carlsen would Beat Spassky easily 6 wins 6 draws zero losses! You can not lose 11 times against the blunder maker Spassky like Fischer!!

​@RaineriHakkarainen Obviously you are clueless as to the abilities of Spasky. Why type such immature nonsense.

Bobby would have manhandled Carlsen, like a little bitch if he was playing to day

Mikhail Tal

With access to todays tools (databases of opponents games, engines and so forth) Fischer would most likely destroy them. He had a measured IQ of 180 (probably needs some adjusting, but everything above 145 is more than three standard deviations above average and definitely far beyond Magnus and Hikaru). Magnus and Hikaru are spoiled kids compared to Fischer

No, Fischer was ranked 2789 after he won the world title in 1972. It was an amazing achievement : as you said, he was more than 100 points above Spassky, who still was number 2. No doubt Fischer is the chess GOAT. Kasparov was the first to break the 2800 wall

@@fredericpelloud7536 Can't legit compare ratings from different eras.

I'm sorry, but chess engines simply DESTROYED chess, by totally depriving the game of the PRESTIGE of the human thought that for centuries was associated to the figure of chess players. It makes no sense to remark that chess engines have solved several problems of the past (such as in complex Queen endings, or by "revitalizing" some old lines of chess openings). That's totally negligible. When Fischer was playing, in 1960s and 1970s, even good "amateurs" such as good chess players of club (whose rating was around 1700-1800 Elo points) were respected by less expert players and novices, who used to ask them advices and submitted them their games and positions. But now even a kibitzer can take the game of a GM, or of a world champion, and after submitting it to a chess engine they can mercilessly find their mistakes. NO MORE RESPECT FOR HUMAN MIND! In the past we used to buy Chess Informants, as we were fascinated by the good analysis of many prestigious GM: Tal, Huebner, Korchnoi, Kasparov, Anand, Petrosian, Geller, etc. etc. and that was also an important source of income for them. But now NOBODY is interested in analysis of GM, only to those of chess engines, those useless engines and their STUPID names: Stockfish, Houdini, Fritz, Rebel, etc. This irreversible LOSS OF PRESTIGE made today's chess simply irrelevant as a mediatic sport. In the 1970s and 1980s chess was present in reportages of TV and newspapers, I remember that even the Guinness Book of Records used to devote at least a couple of pages to chess. But now chess totally disappeared from the radar of media. EVERYBODY knew Fischer, Spassky, Karpov and Kasparov. Today NOBODY knows Magnus Carlsen. I personally and randomly asked 100 people: some of them told me that he is an actor, other people told me that he is a politician, other told me he is a scientist. NOBODY GAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER. Who is the culprit of this situation? The culprit are those chess players, chess organizers, chess managers of FIDE and federations, etc., who at the end of 1980s did not STOP the use and advertising of chess computers. They could easily imagine that in less than 10 years chess engines would have prevailed over human chess players. But Kasparov and other GM went on by promoting those stupid matches versus Deep Blue, and other super computers. They earned a lot of money, but in the meantime they DESTROYED chess.

@@Albert-ct6tt Bravo!

What you call psychological issues are the consequences of intelligence, experiences and an extremely critical mind far beyond what you could imagine. Fischer was less crazy than you think, the world is more crazy than you think!

@@mircopaul5259 I said psychological issues, not that he is crazy. Pressure of social media would make him would not play for the world championship IMO. Denying the holocaust would make me take him less serious outside of his chessmind. It took alot of begging/money to bring him out to play Spassky. And I would say that after 72 Fischer lost goals. It was only downhill from there on because he could potentially lose to Karpov( I'm not saying he would lose in 75 but Karpov in 5 world championships vs Kasparov was something like 2 points difference. So Karpov was a big challenge to anyone

The chess wouldn't just speak, it would deliver a speech for the ages at jet-engine decibel levels.

That is correct.