Would Derek Ever Buy An Electric Car? Your Questions Answered 

Yes, they are very different. Quieter. More acceleration. Less maintenance. Less smelly.

Shows that he has a closed mind unfortunately.

@@michaelgoode9555 as someone says on Utube,"future my arse"

@@michaelgoode9555 If the true energy cost of an electric car down to each component is so good why do we not have a myriad of in depth studies proving the case? We have countless studies that concentrate on a small portion of the overall life of an electric car and so a particular question can be asked in a particular way in order to get a favourable statistically true answer. If you have studied statistics you will realise how if you do not ask the right question you cannot get the right answer. For sure in the future electric cars may become more environmentally friendly overall but it is certainly not the proven case today. I think Derek, along with many of us, will remain sceptical at this moment in time until the technology and infrastructure are improved. Simply believing the diet of misinformation spouted by government and main stream media is naïve at best. My point is that neither are condemning the sale of carbon credits, the biggest bs environment damaging cobblers, created to let the real polluters, such as electric car manufacturers, off the hook!

Brilliant analogy, I'm going to use that one myself 😂

🤣 ha ha ha , brilliant analogy !

The same could be said about ICE,please don’t accuse me of being a JSO but there is another side to this argument,I collect vintage cars and motorcycles to.☮️this is an ecological disaster in the Caribbean.

Solar panels are from £75 each now at City Plumbing. It is happening!

Derek mentioned about electric but what about the battery Rare metals mining big holes in the planet throwing it off balance Whoops another wobble Earth quake?

Says two of you who've never had one 🤡

1000% agree

Well said Derek !! Electric cars rubbish Agree

I've never had one either,sorry but far too many negatives.

Never had my head chopped of but like buying an EV it would be stupid

He sure is. Someone who knows his stuff! 👍

That's what's called hitting the nail on The head Never any use Never will be🤓😁👍

Knows absolutely nothing about ev’s everything he said is totally wrong.

@@philharrison7886 please enlighten us then?

A lot of electricity is generated through solar and wind and to charge ev at home is a fraction of the price of petrol or diesel. I have a ev and it’s far cheaper than the ice vehicles I’ve had.

Except it clearly does not. Derek is enritled to his opinion just like anybody else.

@@michaelgoode9555 sure, EV's have their place for some people in some circumstances like city commuting, and i'm all for freedom of choice, but to try enforce it on a global scale just can't work, take industrial machinery for example, boats, planes, long distance driving, 3rd world countries who have even less chance of the infrastructure needed that we have in the UK, it's all a woke signalling and political football for control, and eventually when it's impossible for vehicle manufacturers to meet the targets for sales of new EV's, it will be multi national corporations who put the pressure on governments to change, the tail won't wag the dog. GL

and that's exactly the point m8, horses for courses, and if an EV works for you and your needs then i'm all for your choice, but when the majority are being forced to comply with an unworkable situation, then that's where the problems lie. GL

What is an ev haters favourite pastime? Talking bollox.

you aint my old science teacher mr Benson from the 70's are you?. he said the same, his point was how do you know for sure what makes it work? i prefer to think pixies do it myself too 😀

all those vehicles for one household, i can tell you're doing your bit for planet earth. btw i pay a similar electric bill for 2 of us in a 2 bed bungalow with a low tarif provider and no ev charging, id have to rig the meter to get near what you say you pay

@@Bob-ts2tu what can I say, check if you are on the best tariff, maybe you are overpaying? I have no-one home during the day and the three 'kids' are rarely there until late in the evening when they go to sleep. Most of the time the house is running on a few pence an hour. Overnight car charging is about £2.40 that's 4/5 a week. I drive EVs because they are cheap to run as daily drivers, never claimed I wanted to save the planet.

@@boothbarmy1882 we'll i am at home all day which will make a difference i suppose with the kettle and my computer, but all heating/cooking is gas anyway, and i'm with octopus which is supposed to be one of the cheaper options. by the by, if EV's work for you then great, im all for choice, but so much is pushed about that seems to be trying to stop people who they don't suit and it's always the same arguments about how dirty ICE's are while conveniently ignoring that EV's just kick the can down the road (i'm not saying thats you) but it pee's me off. I like riding my motorbike in the country, and a couple of times a month i'll do a 2-day 400 mile or so trip, or 200+ mile days out, which would be virtually impossible to do if i had to go EV. the wife and i share a car and have done no more than 4,000 miles a year in newish ford focus and fiestas before that for 25 years, but when we have weekends away don't want the hassle of finding somewhere to charge, range anxiety or have to buy an EV at a price we cant afford or dont want to pay in the first place, there's no need, what we have suits us, and that's the point, i want choice, and not forced legislation by a government using paid for statistics when it's really all about control - rant over lol, GL

@@Bob-ts2tu I agree about choice, that shouldn't be taken away. Honestly a 400 mile journey over a couple of days wouldn't be a problem, possible in one stop in many cars, maybe an overnight charge or when stopping for dinner. The inconvenience is over-hyped but I understand if used to a diesel it takes a mind shift. An EV doesn't give the thrill of a sports car though and I imagine an E-Motorcycle wouldn't either.

very true, it's the same why you shouldn't just turn over the engine of a stored motorbike and let it run for a few mins mid winter, you need to get it hot, and you can do more harm than good, but when i watch B&C and see them try get cars out with rusted in parts i think why couldn't you at least keep it covered up, turn the engine over and move it every now and again instead of letting it get into such a state by being unattended for 30 years - i suppose it's the worst of 2 evils.

Of course, that sort of thing never happens with oil, does it? I mean, apart from Buncefield. And any others.

Volvo retracted that later as it was from flawed data. The consensus from verified data seems to be a break-even mileage of 17,000 miles.

@@johnenglish2702 lol they were ordered to retract because it goes against the elites money making racket

@@johnenglish2702 17.000 miles lol, Flawed Data lol, Volvo is owned by the Chinese, I don't believe a thing they ever say, they have more invested in this push to drive EV's than anyone, The Chinese are massive polluters too. Just saying.

@@johnenglish2702 hahahaha unlike all the flawed data we are subjected to on a daily basis by the EVangelists, governments, and corporations with a lot of financial skin in the game who conveniently ignore the costs of producing 'green energy' you mean

@@johnenglish2702 the 'verified' data is statistical. Someone has paid for those statistics. In the real world the person that pays for the study receives the answer they want or else the question is asked in a different way until the answer is favourable. How do I know? Just from studying statistics at uni and having a partner that works in a university statistical unit. Before believing a headline statistic question the data set, are you aware that statistically a data set of just 22 results is considered valid by statisticians (very convenient for those making a living out of statistics)?

Hear Hear. Sorry to be pedantic.

and unlikey ever to have one, and as for the 3rd world? how's that going to happen

i think so, and i recently flew to greece and hired a motorbike there - your point being?

Except they ARENT cheaper using public chargers and you have to sit there for 30 mins at least, IF you can find one that works. Instead of them being forced down our throats all for the Net Zero rubbish, let the market decide

@@originalshadowfax Are you sure? Let's see. My EV gets at least 4 miles per KWh (it was at 5.9 briefly yesterday). Public charges costs varies, but I haven't found one that costs more than 80p/KWh, so that is costing 20p per mile. My Diesel car does 45 mpg max (usually less than this) and Diesel costs £1.45 per litre. So that translates to £6.70 per gallon. Which means that it costs 15p per mile to run. So far so good - cheaper per mile if you find the cheapest Diesel compared with the most expensive electricity. Now factor in service charges. My Diesel car cost about £600 or more each year to service, not including tyres. I don't know, yet, how much my service costs will be for the EV, but from what I understand from other people's accounts, it should be considerably less. I shall see, of course. As for waiting 30 minutes, yes, it takes longer. I have had to charge at a motorway service station. I plugged in, went and bought a hot chocolate and brownie (you can never have too much chocolate), and by the time I came back to the car, it had charged up more than enough to get me home. I hadn't even eaten the brownie or drunk the chocolate. And I didn't have to stand holding the fuel pump filler in place while the tank filled. OR get my hands dirty with Diesel fuel. As I said, currently not all electric cars will suit all drivers. But they are superb for the vast majority.

@@steveknight878 brilliant and very informative

@@steveknight878 Pretty crap for a diesel if its only getting 45mpg max (sounds like a big 4x4?), my 2014 2.0 508 Peugeot gets over 65mpg on a motorway and 55mpg around the doors and there's many many petrol and diesel cars out there that are far more efficient on fuel than yours, so for mine at a conservative 60mpg, its just over 11p per mile. As for servicing, its done according to mileage and doesn't cost 600 pa, as being a diesel things like oil changes are at much longer intervals, tyres, brakes and such like are the same, plus I don't pay rip off main dealer prices which you are in effect forced to do with an EV. And all EV's will have to start paying road tax "Petrol and diesel are horribly polluting, in the initial extraction, the refining, the transport to the forecourt and finally in the burning" (Diesel and petrol are so much cleaner that they once were, as evidenced by the road/emissions tax so NOT "horribly" polluting at all). So are EV's in the initial extraction of rare metals and how its being extracted, still has to be refined and transported to the forecourt and battery disposal is going to be a real issue in the future. If you can meet the conditions in my original post, then fine, not "superb" and not "vast" majority. Let the market decide and make their own choice, unfortunately that's not happening and we are being propagandised that EV's are the only way to go. I think we are sort of agreeing, but from opposite ends :)

@@originalshadowfax well, it is 17 years old (Ford Focus 2.0 Ghia), so not all that surprising - especially here in Devon on country roads - winding, hilly etc. You are certainly not forced to go to main dealers for servicing EVs - indeed, most of the servicing is really straight forward. I shall found out, eventually. Yes, EVs use more resources in the original build - but it doesn't take long for that to be negated by the lower emissions for the EV. Yes, of course EVs will have to pay road fund (next year, I believe) - which is only fair. In my case, I pay 7.5p a KWh to charge the car (it will be 7.0p next year), and I get at least 4 miles out of that - so something under 2p per mile. Not bad, really. It accelerates faster than my Focus (not a huge amount faster, but quite noticeable). Don't get me wrong - I have always loved driving cars, and trying to get the best out of them (for the conditions). I used to buy all the car magazines back in the 60s and 70s. Driving the EV isn't as much fun, in some ways, as driving the Focus - but actually I get faster A to B times on country roads, if I want to. It doesn't handle quite as well - more roll, and the seats aren't as supportive, though that has nothing to do with whether it is an EV or not. But the instant torque is really nice, particularly when cornering. I have talked to a number of random people who have an EV (in carparks, mainly) to see what they think of them. All of them have been very enthusiastic. TBH, unless you do a lot of long-distance driving then I can't see any real disadvantage to an EV, and an awful lot of advantages. Most people drive around 100 miles a week or so, and for them an EV will do the job admirably.

as with the majority, but you can't convince the EVangalists lol, however i suppose anyone who pays all that money just to lose it on massive depreciation and no 2nd hand market, will feel the need to justify themselves, even if their arguments are based of false premises.

There are dozens of sound reason to avoid EVs

I am happy to be a luddite then.If anything,hydrogen should be the future.Electric cars are boring shit.

@@Baldieman1 I very much enjoy driving my Tesla, it very fast, handles well, has fantastic throttle response and is smooth and quiet on a long run. I am driving from Perth to Lyme Regis over the next couple of days and it will be an enjoyable drive. Hydrogen has a lot of problems and I doubt that we will see it being used to any great extent in cars. You have to use electricity to create the hydrogen, transport it to a storage site, distribute it to a filling station, transfer it into a car and then convert it back to electricity, this is extremely inefficient and it would be far better just putting the original electricity into an EV. Hydrogen is also highly flammable and tends to leak away due to its extremely small atomic size. Hydrogen filling stations don't exist in any number, electricity is everywhere and hydrogen cars still need batteries.

Have you considered what else is manufactured from oil? Petrol and diesel could be considered byproducts.

@@wheater5 It might seem impossible when you see some of the incredible materials made entirely or partially from plant-based plastics, but plant-based plastics are plastics derived from plant material like corn, starch, seaweed, sugarcane, tree-pulp, bamboo fiber, and more.

@@rodden1953 But the road surface that all vehicles need, irrespective of what powers them, is made from oil. I haven’t heard of any alternative made from plant material.

Narrative shifting is standard practice by EV advocates. Ofcourse there are huge environmental factors to oil extraction and everything that goes with it, that can’t be disputed. But to believe that electric cars are the solution is beyond ridiculous . I truly believe that in years to come, the environmental impact of electric cars will be far worse . The impact of extraction of the materials to manufacture the batteries is beyond dubious, and the biggest problem which hasn’t reared its head yet fully is the recycling of these batteries . Major fires at recycling plants are becoming worrying frequent , there needs to be stricter rules regarding the disposal of E waste. EV’s are a disaster waiting to happen, hopefully sense will prevail and they become obsolete.

@@mikeolly67 You have the full bingo card of EV myths, electric cars are NOT the solution, Public transport is. can you show me a gallon of recycled petrol ? Chemistry is making batteries smaller and lighter. minerals are changing , The oil companies are running out of wells . Do you smoke ? thats banned in public . i love old cars , i had them , but i don't want another.

Synthetic fuels which are net zero are already here. That is the future.

You do realise a Hydrogen car is just an EV with an added fuel cell. You still have all the same bits with a smaller battery. Just one that several times less efficient as it takes several time the electricity to get the Hydrogen in the first place.

@@Anonymous-ib8so Dude seriously how much energy do you think is needed to make the Synthetic fuel, use it directly in the EV instead and you'll be going a lot more miles.

@@carlarrowsmith If you understood thectetm net zero youbwould realise synthetic fuel os 100% carbon neatral unlike electricity which can never be carbon neutal, Incidentally you do not know me so do not call me dude. You ignoramouse

That's exactly right, Build the EV, then make ICE's the problem, its all a con and many folks just seem to be easily led down the road with the idea of cheap charging, they cant use logical common sense thinking. 2 years ago I was told by EV owners that Electricity would only get cheaper as EV's got more popular lol, these people Con themselves. Years ago the British Govt wanted everyone to use natural gas for their homes, electricity was so expensive, Its still expensive for the masses, very few have access to Solar panels and they aren't cheap plus they will need replacing causing even more pollution.

My sentiment exactly well said,these anti Ev’ers don’t even know what Ice runs on,clowns.🤡🤡🤡

if by 'daily driver' you mean a short journey commuting & shopping trolley, you have a driveway to charge it yourself, as well as the money to afford one & lose on depreciation in the first place, then great, it works for you, but the majority who can even afford to run any car need them to be more utilitarian, and don't have the luxuries needed.

@@Bob-ts2tu FYI, my journeys vary considerably and are a combination of short and long trips. Both work equally well in an EV. For the first 9 months of ownership, I used a public charging point and managed quite well, thank you. I now have a home charger so running it is even cheaper. I didn't buy the car new, I let someone else take the hit on depreciation, just like I've always done on ICE cars. I'd never buy new. I paid 17.5k for a top of the range model just 2 years old that cost 38k new. Plus, in Scotland, we can get interest free loans to buy new or used EV's. 😁😁

@@michaelramsay-fraser7076 i've never condemded those that choose an EV, just those that use it as a stick to beat you with on how good they are and how bad you are, using flawed statistics and brainwashing climate change arguments that support political agenda's. I say that if an EV works for you and suits your lifestyle, then great, it's your money, your choice, and you live by that decision, but for most people the cost both of purchase, ability to home charge, range etc means it's not viable. I say that there is room for both, and maybe like the VHS v Betamax war in the 80's, one will come out on top based on what the consumer wants in a timescale they want it in. personally I don't think battery technology or enough charging infrastructure will ever be possible to suit the ranges needed, and we are seeing now that the charging costs away from home is really getting up there, and how is any government going to fill the billions of pounds lost in petrol excise revenue? - you know what's going to happen if ICE's disappear or are made impossible to run and you have no choice don't you?. GL

I am one of the very many drivers who have never bought a new car, initially because I couldn't afford to, but nowadays because I have little taste for modern cars, either electric or otherwise. There are so many ways of wrecking the environment that it seems futile to try to fix the issue by targeting just transport. Excessive use, whether driving or flying, is the key, as are all the wars around the planet that consume so much energy for so little result! During WWII there was a well-known poster asking, "Is your journey really necessary?"

Touché

The ICE is far from over and won't be for many years yet.

Not in the real world. Dream on.

Mechanics will all slag ev’s off and don’t blame them as they won’t be making thousands out of serving ect.

The internal combustion engine will be with us for many years yet.

More toxic junk for landfill

Utter nonsense.

@@mv4ago A wind turbine pays back its CO2 footprint in around 6 months. A solar panel takes two years. I'd hazard a guess and say the waste created by a nuclear power station is small, compared to the electricity produced.

Now even I know that’s garbage. If it’s green energy it’s probably even more polluting e.g. think about those non recyclable blades eh?? Total nonsense.

@@tonymarkey6525 You want to compare wind turbine blades to gas flaring, seismic blasting, oil slicks, oil rig disasters, pipe lines, rising global temperatures, declining polar and glacier ice, rising sea levels, rising ocean temperatures and increasing ocean acidification?

@@Richard482 Yep. Shall we talk lithium mining as well😂😂😂😂

What's wrong with the batteries ?

@@stoop25 They are incredibly heavy, expensive and terrible to produce. Unlike an ICE, you have to choose between having decent performance and range vs being compact and lightweight.

@@stoop25 how old is your mobile phone?

Out of 35 million cars in the UK roads only 1 million are EVs so more fires for such a small amount, Sorry If planes crashed that often I wouldn't fly..

Charging an EV to fully charged from a home solar setup would take many weeks. People really need to do their homework and understand what a KW is and take their heads out of lala land.

​@@jontheodore8450🤡

​@@cliveargyle5237What a total load of utter nonsense. This is the 21st century come and join it.

​@@cliveargyle5237you should do your homework! Many people charge with solar, it is rare for a battery to need charging from full to empty, most people only put in a top up each day easily by solar or cheap rate electric.

EV's will never be mainstream either.