WRATH: How Blizzard Began To TRANSFORM WoW: The Dawn of Modern World of Warcraft 

13:50 "The best game the raid has ever seen" hahaha. I love you Bel.

>Trial of the Crusader >Remembered for its music I don't remember this.. What music is he refer- >I AM JARAXXUS, EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION Ohhhh... Right...

No king rules forever, its been a long fun ride.. goodbye wow F PepeHands

That moment when you realize that 3.1 brought more to the table than the whole of BfA so far. #WishForWotLKServer

Who's here before Asmongold reacts to this?

Damn 3.1 had more content than 8.0 and 8.1 together...

The MMO are dying because new gen wants fast games, short queue times, lots of loots. and MMO needs TIME, is a more slow gameplay, take time forming groups. Most of players dont want this, and the other players dont have the time.

Over all World of Warcraft is the best game i've ever played. I started in WoTLK and yeah got called a wrath baby but I didn't care, had some real life long experiences in that expansion. Even to this day i'm still making tons of new experiences despite the lows and highs. Love this game.

They removed all the RPG elements of the game and dumbed it down to this piece of crap we have today.

The Argent Tournament was my favourite part of the entire game. The ambient and battle music is of unbelievable quality, and though the jousting mechanics were a little wonky, it felt like an immersive Medieval faire. Just look up Tournament of Ages, the RP servers keep it going every year and really make the most of the area.

I still remember the last moment when I felt that WoW was still on the rise. It was patch 3.1. After that patch, everything slowly started to get worse and worse. There were always little positives but the average trend from that moment onward was a slow downward spiral. I think people can say that Vanilla was best or TBC was best or early Wrath was best but they were all GREAT. The people that favorite one of those three can usually agree on stuff and find a lot of common ground. But the latter half of Wrath, starting with 8.2, is the point where most people collectively start complaining about the game going downhill.

Big ups to the green audio light in the background lulling me to sleep!

TBC still my favourite era of WoW. Hope se can have a tbc server in a year or two after classic

Trial of the Crusader was where all went to shit, they introduced gear that made the best Raid ever ignorable and a lackluster mini raid/instance. For me this was the beginning of the end for wow

Oh man, I remember doing 3 drake. Due to how pets worked at the time and how stats scaled with them, my guild had my pet (was a warlock) main tank the big dragon. My voidwalker had more HP then top main tanks at the time when I was in my stamina gear and also had a 95% chance of avoiding all AoE damage meaning it could cheese almost every mechanic in the raid while tanking. Goes to show, even back then Blizzard had no idea what they were doing when it came to class design and mechanics.

Gear score and io level are terrible and just serve to keep people from playing the game. Just like linking ATOC BS and crap of the same. All this junk needs to go.

So far i have watched countless videos but no one ever mentioned thr actual part content people enjoyed... Spirit beasts... Was a big thing to do Exlusive items like BMAH And TCG market blizzard droped these things long time now and its sad

He was rock hard? really?? .. lol

I think overall Wrath was a fantastic expansion. Arguably the high point for WOW (although I prefer TBC), BUT, I also think it was the beginning of the end for wow and starting with the tail end of Wrath Blizzard started to prioritize convenience over everything that made the game great.

God how I miss Old World of Warcraft.... Take me back to 3.1 please.

"Algalon was rock hard." Are we not doing phrasing now Bells?

This is when dailies didn't feel like a chore. To me anyways.

*sigh* this was my rookie time. I started playing this summer. Yes I know I'm a Wrath baby.

As Wrath lived it life, it also brought in player toxicity and elitism. It was the begining of the end for alot of things. Gearscore was the worst invention ever, a players skill was attributed to their GS, which was basically free to obtain.

Also, gearscore was the downfall of the entire system and was when we stopped looking at stats as a whole. It was a slippery slope. You can hear more about it from a dev that worked on the game: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAO0v7eiueQ.html

Guild wars 2 , just give it a chance ,and you won't go back to wow anymore.

Shout out to the players that were playing as soon as vanilla launched, its just time to let go no hate whatsoever, wow was a beautiful experience for my childhood. R. I. P

blizzard could remove all other expansions and roll back to wotlk

The one thing I hated about Wrath was the raid progression. One raid per tier began here. Also, I didn't like that the heroic dungeon in the Coliseum totally killed Ulduar. Back in Burning Crusade, raiders were still running Karazhan right up until the night before Wrath started... but in Wrath, nobody ran Ulduar after the Trial of the Crusader raid debuted. I thought that sucked.

I personally think ToC was the worse raid instance ever made.

13:53 "One of the best games that the raid had ever seen." ???

Blizzard removed the RPG aspects of the game and made it more Action RPG

I always thought that Cataclysm was the begginning of the end for World of Warcraft, not Wrath of the Lich King.

Why should i watch this when i could watch Assmongolds stream hmmm??

2018 wow RU-vidrs: "How BFA will change the game!!" 2019 wow RU-vidrs: "How BFA has changed the game..."

Hope i can see my own comment after this video content has been doubled stolen from the guy making asmongold videos

Their fatal misstep was getting caught in the accessibility trap and playing towards the wants of whingers too much. LFG / LFR / Sharding / Cross - Realm micro servers instead of just merging smaller realms together. They also used to care about pre-expansion events. The best event I ever experienced in WoW is still the undead plague, it was just fun and, yes, annoying as hell. The real truth is though, life is annoying, it's supposed to put obstacles in your way, and by overcoming these obstacles you find meaning and satisfaction. Blizzard just took all of the obstacles and turned them into tiny hurdles that you could walk around in most cases.

With the mention of Citizens of Dalaran, I was yelling. With the play of that audio, I was *screaming*

The same week Icecrown Citadel was introduced I came to the troubling realization that *WoW was eating my life* and even negatively impacting my RL job. I suddenly quit raiding, dropped out of my guild and vowed to only play casually a couple times a week. Completely missed Icecrown Citadel. Never even saw the inside of the place until spring 2018. So, looking forward to learning about it in your next video =)

i have been playing wotlk content lately because BFA is borrring. Nothing to do & i'm not a raider. i miss the old days

Raiding should never have had a Heroic mode imo, but if there is a way to make it harder to get access to more loot Raids should have continued with the Ulduar “hard mode trigger.” Why they didn’t follow that model greatly confuses me.

I miss the badges that you used to get from doing raids and dungeons. But now we have the gods of RNG to rule us. lol

My thoughts when watching this? Jealousy, depression, wishing I hadn't been so late to WoW...

ah the memories hit me now...and yes, onyxia was such fun...super epic...u gather a group of people from the server( bring server community back and quit guilds) and go have fun basicly

WotLK was amazing, a millions times better than everything we've gotten after And I still remember being disappointed with it, and I still think I would be going from Vanilla/TBC

WoW is just a history lesson at this point.

There was something so satisfying about finding 4 or 24 other person and traveling to instance entrance.

Early Wrath was what you get when you throw a little spice in to your favorite dish, 3.2 and especially Cata was what you get when you dump the whole bottle of spice on your dish.

I loved soo much those days... Even being casual, it allowed me to do raids and heroics which where fun and entertaining. By the way, I play wow since patch 1.10 LOL

So artificially stretching out content ist GOOD? Come on NO! Hard modes? Cool! Extra bosses? Cool - but not time gated ("You only have an hour each week to try this boss!" - Sorry, but that is not player friendly! Yes I am not a friend of the over-casual experience WoW is now (I loved wow best in WotLK and I didn't get to see much of the high end raids, but I am still no friend of artificially putting the brakes on players!)) ps: I don't like Ulduar (Titan instances don't do it for me in many cases...I prefered the atmosphere of KARAZHAN or the Tempest Keep or Sunwell)

April - August is not 5 months, it is 4. Time between 3.1 and 3.2 was just under FOUR months

Just my opinion, but I don't think they cut the life of ULDUAR short by releasing trial of the crusader. I think many guilds found ulduar intimidating due to it's size/scale/time involved, and also much more difficult compared to NAXX. Big change from Naxx easy mode to Ulduar being hard even on regular mode. If anything, I think TOC extended Ulduar playability at the time before the release of ICC. Reason being people could knock out TOC early in the week, and then work on ULDUAR the rest of the week. TOC got many people back into raiding that ULDUAR was just a bit too overwhelming for them. Ulduar still had so many cool things to do, achievements to earn, etc... that TOC gear helped people progress on it that perhaps struggled before. I think it paired quite well together before ICC came out.

20:35 this is what I said in my tweet today to watcher and the dev team. I said "how I long for the days when you actually had to work for your ilvl (vanilla, BC). before you could step into naxxramas: dungeons < MC < BWL < AQ40 < naxx. same in BC. But now in BFA: Heroic dungeon < Battle For Dazar.. There is no progression anymore." 23:55 ywah, it blew my mind so much, I instantly quit the game after hearing about what cataclysm was going to be, I didn't play WoW again until patch 5.3 or 5.4. I instead waiting almost a year for the long anticipated Star Wars the Old Republic and it after almost a year of waiting, it did not disappoint, it was so much fun, I didn't miss WoW at all. after about 2 years of playing it, finally had enough for a while after bioware nerfed all the classes I likled playing, the game wasn't as fun anymore. long story short. Cayaclysm was the beginning of the end for WoW, 12.5 million subs at the end of Wrath and they have never reached that number since, I think they got 10 million in Legion, but now we must be below WoD numbers for sure.

Oh my god I just realised, the reason for all the shit expansions in this game, was because they were trying to copy all the good expansions instead of trying something new, if they followed the saying "new is always better," we wouldn't have the WoD's, we wouldn't have the BFA's, hell we probably wouldn't even have the cata's (though that failed because Blizz was over-ambitious). That's why Mists and Legion succeeded, because they tried something new, granted they also referenced older expansions in terms of story but still, they were innovative, and THAT'S what makes them GREAT!

Raids were and are fine, but hardcore raiding has NEVER been the domain of the majority of wow players. The issue isn't a lack of raiding. The issue is there is NOTHING else to do at max level besides raiding (PVP is an unbalanced mess) because they have removed so many rpg elements, open world experiences, flight, and class depth. In place of all they removed, they added in massive time gating to increase the time played metric. In short, Blizzard's philosophy became, "players need to experience game content only the way Blizzard wants or our dev's feelings will get hurt."

Ok how you fix WOW, stop doing LFR,normal, heroic, Mythic stuff. Delete LFG and LFR, Stop cross realming. Make the game slower again and dont just run and dodge and make max dps, thats not what wow is. Thats it It would fix the hole game this are just a few thinks blizzard need to change to get back the great wow.

In the previous video, you precisely -- and I think, uniquely -- contrasted Wrath's popular and effective progression pacing with modern WoW. This video, you totally resist conventional wisdom about Argent Tournament and recognize it for the triumph of setting and theatrics that it was. Bravo.

Watching this makes me think of what could have been - if Azjol Nerub had been a zone and 8+ boss raid, between Ulduar and Icecrown (perhaps instead of Trial of the Crusader, despite my personal love for that raid). It would have been epic, like the adventurous maze of BrD in raid form!

You're experience in Wrath is completely 100% exactly how mine was. Awesome Video Bellular!! Oh and I have the Swift Horde Wolf you get for the old achieve. "A tribute to insanity"

Wrath had the best damn soundtrack, RNGod bless

I... what? Ulduar was literally the instance that made me quit because it turned healing into such a spiky, frustrating chore. Your reverence confuses me. :< (RU-vid feeding me your videos about how classes played almost got me to resub to play shadow priest last expansion.)

Yeah I don't know why people remember Wrath so fondly, maybe because they were young? teenagers? Myself I was in my late 20s when Wrath hit and honestly AT and ToC actually made me quit the game. I didn't come back until Legion.

I think you missed out on something with the approach of Cataclysm. The player base despised a lot of the proposed class changes. The forums were on fire about many of them. Which is one contributing reason subs fell so sharply. I'm sure there were many others. Hunter changes and the addition of focus + casted shots is a good example. We all absolutely abhorred some of the class changes and pleaded, threatened, cried, complained, posted and screamed about them to no avail. You might have been too young at the time to pay attention? However the vibe from the Cata prepatch was that. Dread, not hype. We begged and pleaded for a lot of changes to be reverted. Didn't take too long after it launched for the numbers to dive. The game for many of us just wasn't fun anymore. I don't recall hype, I recall a lot of very loud "this isn't fun" complaints. Let's not forget the last dance of the trees in Dalaran. Some changes just didn't make sense. Still don't. The game was and still is somewhat less fun than it was in WotLK thanks to those class changes. That's the vibe as I felt it. It's obvious other people saw different vibes at that time.

I dont get it, they have the Lore and game design top notch. Why not make an xpac with loads of new content like BfA but with a TBC style of progression and gaming? Why not remove shit like LFR, and everything people despise nowadays. Its as almost they want the game to go under. */shrug

Quality of Life=Erosion of sense of world, immersion, and sense of gratifying progression. This video made me realize that WoW was truly an immersive, epic and meaningful MMO experience from launch until the release of Wrath.

TOC Didn't have to have BETTER loot than Ulduar it just had to have different loot. I really wish Blizzard made interesting gear instead of here's a higher ilvl this patch and next patch and forever!

In Wrath, Blizzard should have added an item called "Magical Earplugs" that gave you a perma-buff that lasted through death and prevented you from hearing the boss kill callouts.

Algalon didn't unlock from beating Yogg btw. It was a quest dropped by the harder Hard Mode of the Assembly of Iron that required you to beat the Hard Mode of all 4 Keeper bosses.

wow sucks dead game grrrr!!!!! dont suddenly treat wow like its the worst game in existence because of a shitty expansion. anyone remember destiny? their dlcs were even shittier, but they finally stepped up with forsaken. give wow some time, the game is still amazing anyways

Say what you want, but the Argent Tournament was shit. I hated it at the time. I hated grinding the same crap every day/week in the one spot. That entire patch was to fill in for the ditched content that was the underground Azjol'Nerub Zone/Raid. It was a let down at least for me and my guild. I hate seeing people giving it praise now when it was literally just filler.

Lol hard-core game, wow has never been a hard-core game compared to the mmo's that came before it. Wow when relaxed was considered the most casual MMO on the market. It's also why it became so popular. Bel you should know this mate

I was sure that I was going to re-sub when siege of dazar alore comes live but... I just don't want to, and I want to play wow ! feelsbadman when your game doesn't exists anymore :(

I highly dislike gear score. I just don't like characters being know by number rather then well there character. Game design helps influence what players do. I wish WoW was less so messy, especially with timelines. I have void elf, they are going back to the past to level. I wish instead the game focus more on just incorporating story and content. Some don't seem to care about this, which makes me wonder why they are playing a game in general. What are they doing makes them not care about the game they are playing.

Fantastic work with this documentary series, it’s informative and compelling, I’ve loved all the ones I’ve watched

Thank you very much for these videos. As someone who wasn't allowed to play WoW during that time, being able to see and experience this through someone else's eyes is greatly appreciated!

You forgot about the tabards reputation system on WOTLK. I think it was the best way blizzard created to work on reputations ever.

I don't think it's fair to refer to the early hard-modes as "heroic". While both systems were designed to add an extra level of challenge to the game, the implementations are completely removed from one another. .. And yes, the hard-modes were better. No argument there.

Old WoW was full of homoerotic propaganda. Dont kid yourselves. Modern WoW is better.

WTF who has the chutspa to downvote Bel? They should have had a rogue gouging their eyes!

I really miss... the gear stats you had to balance. Instead if just "here is epic lewts! Have fun stats only kind of mattter... jk... get haste and crit!!"

I wonder how/if the future course of the game would have been changed if they'd kept their finger on the pulse and delayed Call of the Crusade until Ulduar had been more thoroughly cleared.

Please fix your channel logo to a proper PNG with no background. It looks tacky overlayed in the bottom right corner of your videos.

I know its a tiny thing, but theres' a green flashing light in the bottom left of the studio shot that's REALLY distracting. Can you cover it next time?

Hard raids and really low drop rates are no way a solution as some people tend to believe either. It is a boring and superficially padded way of designing a game. I truly do not believe anyone really enjoys doing the same shit 50 times to get the gear they want. There must be diverse ways of earning good, top tier gear, rather than just trying to grind through raids. Sure, the latest version of raids and dungeons are a joke, but going back to Vanilla raid system would not be that great either.

Ugh I hated gear score so much... I had taken a break from the game and when I came back everyone was talking about gear scores and then no one would let me raid which really pissed me off because they were raids I was used to being top dps in and now I was being told I wasn't geared enough to join and I was just so dumbfounded and angry...

If I hear the Dalaran speech one more fucking time, I'll start thinking That our lives... Are not worth living.

LOL way to sneak in an sponsorship AD 3 minutes into this instead of having it at beginning, you have learned well from Activision and Blops4.

Uld 10 was WAAAAY more difficult than the 25 counterpart, same with ICC Bell

Hmm, April 14 to August 4 is just under 4 calendar months, not 5. So even quicker than you said in the video.

OMG that back ground music just gave me chills. So many hours of my life spent listening to that. I miss those days.

you forgot to mention that they originally remade the previously level 40 mount of 60% to level 30, before changing it again to level 20.

Great vid. Well done.. like.. more than normal.. like.. weller done. r rr

You forgot to mention developers like Eyonix leaving at the end of Ulduar and the subsequent drop in raid content quality.

Correction: "The Dawn of Garbage World of Warcraft"

Stars is the same end game guild from Everquest on the Tunare server.

Dat sneaky commercial insertion! You’re a commercial ninja. Love it! 😆👍🏻

What if the protoss and nephilem got involved, thus a Nexus MMORPG started?

Oh blizz please you gotta launch a wrath server it has to been done wotlk was just the best time in the game best raids and quests,class design,talent tree etc , come on blizz wrath server do it asap

too late, i just quit playing, they can take their carrot and stuff it, I am tired of dailies, and unless you are a mage, your dps will suck

Man i love your content but 25 min is too fucking long to say what you've already said previously