@John Rep I’m actually trying it again rn just messing around in unrated and I’m getting used to it but wrist aiming just comes much more naturally. Like I did a game test earlier while wrist aiming vs arm aiming on bind and got 35 wrist aiming and 23 arm aiming. Won both games and were against different people but I’m not terrible anymore 😂
I used to be a wrist Aimer but because my wrist started to hurt with my flicks I switched to arm aiming... it was a hard switch but once you get it it’s a lot easier to use.
I use both my arm and my wrist, making the load of utilization for both half. I like to use the wrist for small adjustments and also to reach a further flick.
Utilizing both is also an option in my opinion. Using mainly arm aiming to clear angles and moving around the place. And using wrist aiming ONLY when you want to hold an angle and need to do very minor adjustment when someone shows up.
@@ai7en that's great to hear for me! I used my arm for years for all the movements while incorporating my wrist a bit. Think: 85% arm and 15% wrist. Over the past few months I switched it to like 70% wrist and 30% arm and hitting headshots has become so much easier. I just need to isolate and improve my wrist more because my arm now naturally wants to do everything anyways so its been a pretty smooth transition so far! My wrist accuracy is still trash but isolating it and just practicing the small amount I'm able to has made such a drastic difference lol Things like, instead of doing a 180 with my arm and just practicing turning by shuffling my wrist on the pad feels literally like the equivalent of "staying on your toes" in football/soccer lol. That and intermittently taking my hand of the mouse and putting it back on and just copying a few things from the video has felt insane lol This is why the voltaic kovaaks routine had me plateau at plat. It is hard to only use your wrist in those scenarios they give so when practicing i was just doing the same thing over and over and over again instead of actively working out technique. My arm is great and consistent now no matter my state of mind, so that base is wonderful to have lol. But all of that explains exactly why id miss by millimeters when aiming for headshots. My dumbass forgot to use my wrist and fingers - huge technique problem. Luckily I write very neatly and quickly using my wrist and fingers, and I'm also decent at guitar, so I just need to refine my muscle memory for those purposes edit: and just to cover my ass against people who say muscle memory is a myth and its just mouse control, my experience memorizing specific movements and then learning to use them as a basis for control and then adjust it to the sensitivity or whatever says different lol. Even ball control in soccer you start of memorizing a basic movement. In guitar, your "wrist control" starts off by memorizing specific movements as a basis. So yeah, I don't want to hear that shit when i understand what its all about lol, theres a reason why s1mple recommends to learn to your wrist movement in the way he does lol. Theres a reason why a leading national scorer taught me to shoot in a specific fashion lol, and theres a reason why a reknown center back taught me how to slide tackle in a certain way. IDK who began that myth but I've seen it a lot in the aiming community
I used to wrist aim when I played MC a while back. I would often walk away from long sessions with bruised and sore wrists. It was not fun. Then I started playing more conventional FPS games, switched to arm, and my wrist is healing nicely. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to be able to use their hands within a month of logging off.
i tend to mix both and keep my sensitivity slightly lower than the typical wrist aiming edpi. i have a wrist injury back then while working out but since then its gotten better but i can still feel the pinch sometimes.
Only 2015? I used to play in the 4000-6000 range... that is until my wrist started to hurt every time so I had to switch to arm aiming. It’s difficult at first but it gets much easier as you practice. It just takes time.
@@_amitsingh5872 it took me about 4 months to get used to it, but I still wasn’t able to hit shots as well as with my wrist, so I chose a number in between high sens and low sens. I’m currently at 1.45 and that seems to work pretty well Update: as I’ve been improving with wrist aiming, I’m currently in the 1.17 to 1.25 range. It just takes time and a lot of practice, but it’s a lot better, I must admit.
Personal tips here from someone who was solely a wrist aimer who swapped completely to arm aiming... I swapped because I started to get a lot of pain and fatigue in my wrist when I started to play my first fps games and this resulted pretty quickly in me realizing I was complete shit at these games so I really tried to improve and grind in aim trainers to get better. Even with wrist aiming I improved very quickly at first, but my wrist hurt like hell some days and would really just ache and throb after an intense aim training session. So I decided to train myself out of wrist aiming not because I thought it was the superior method but just for health reasons which I think is the more important factor really. It took a ton of practice, but first off I had to have a setup that would allow me the room to put my arm up to my elbow on the table as well as a large enough mouse mat (in my case a desk mat). Once I had the room though and started practicing, I had to lower my edpi a lot, by more than half (I currently use 400dpi x 0.6 sens), this coupled with practicing on wide 180-360 degree aim training scenarios, automatically made me use my arm more just to get my arm used to actually moving as part of my aim. But especially in the beginning often I'd find that after like 5-10mins of practicing I'd get what I call "lazy arm" where I'd start to naturally go back to aiming mostly with my wrist even with my arm on the table and with my lower edpi, I'd undershoot my targets and feel the fatigue in my wrist. What I'd do (& still do) when this happens is I just have 2 dpi settings on my mouse, my natural 400 and a halved 200, when I feel my arm getting "lazy" I just go down to 200 dpi for a few minutes in an aim trainer and this forces me to make over-exaggerated larger arm movements than I normally would have to. Then I switch back to my regular dpi, get readjusted for a min or so and my aim feels much crispier & responsive and my arm isn't being "lazy" anymore making my wrist do all the work. This was something I had to do often, I'd be so focused on the scenarios in front of me that it wouldn't be until my scores started plummeting and my wrist was throbbing that I'd notice that I wasn't really using much of my arm anymore again. Over time I just naturally used more of my arm for longer periods of time until it became a lot more natural. I still get "lazy arm" sometimes, but a lot less frequently and it takes a lot less time to just readjust, like 30 seconds or so or even just a short break if my arm is fatigued and I'm back to normal. Also this seems like a no-brainer, but just remembering to set my whole arm up to my elbow on the table before I even grabbed my mouse for regular computer use or whatever was good practice to remind myself that I was trying to practice to switch to use my whole arm. Also using a lower mouse dpi with a higher sens in game will force you to make larger mouse movements when just browsing the internet or doing whatever you normally do on the computer, this can help you get more used to the larger movements with your arm as well. Side note; I'm not saying that arm aiming is better for actual gaming, or that you'll be a better aimer with it, this is just health related advice.. personally I've already had a massive injury and surgery to my left wrist (non-gaming related), where half my wrist & a few of my hand bones are fused together so I have limited movement on that side as well as chronic arthritis.. but having that injury made me take my health more seriously and think about what something that's just a hobby for me could cost me. Having 2 gimped wrists would really suck. Idk if I would be able to aim just as well with just my wrist today if I grinded the same amount of time, probably, maybe I'd even be slightly better not having to take time to retrain myself.. but in the long run it would probably end up being problematic with injury and stuff and sometimes there's nothing you can do to really help your wrist other than quitting altogether. So imo, if you play regularly, like multiple hours in a session at least a few days a week it's probably better to train yourself out of it while you can and have a healthier, less painful experience in the long run.
this is actually an insane answer, and I find I am very similar. my muscle memory has been built on approx 0.3-0.4 sens @ 800dpi, so a fairly average sensitivity - but i find that if i am feeling lazy i will switch from purely wrist aiming, to a kind of wrist/arm hybrid, which fits about right for my middling sensitivity, but is not particularly precise, so i often find myself either halving my sens to 0.2 or doubling it to 0.6 (using the upper and lower bounds of my usual sens "range", i fiddle with it a lot) depending on whether i felt like my mouse was dragging/too sluggish or if it was too snappy and all over the place! in siege, i learnt the game mostly arm aiming (3 or 4 sens which ≈ 0.25 or 0.3 in valorant at 800), and then the carryover to valorant was fairly simple. i struggle to decide between a snappier and faster 0.6 wrist aim sens, which feels better to play on, but my accuracy is awful, compared to 0.3ish where i can flick with my wrist and track with my arm, which i find to be a lot more stable in terms of crosshair placement shots and spray control
@@nyox2978 i dont think anyone ONLY arm aims, I doubt that's really possible. you're naturally going to use your wrist for adjustments. most people have to train themselves to use their arm in the 1st place. you'd just be crippling yourself to not use your wrist.. unless you're like in a cast or have your wrist fused there's no reason why you wouldn't use your wrist and fingers for minor adjustments.
DRIFTY if your table/mouse pad is small it is harder to arm aim because if you flick you will run out of space so either your mouse will fall of the table/mousepad, only way i can arm aim with my setup is if i get really high sens and im already comfortable with mine so yeahh
To switch from wrist aiming to arm aiming, I went into Aimlabs and used the Valorant settings (EDPI 400) and just drilled different exercises for an hour. Following this I went into Valorant (800 DPI and .5 sensitivity) and went to the range to test it. Sure enough, my times for 50 targets were the same as they were before- 57-60 seconds. Obv it'll take more time to make it second nature, but sticking it out was worth it imo
yes, i have the same edpi except with a +8, the wrist feels natural to shoot with flicks but when it comes to jetts updrafting on you, you might have the reaction time but the slow edpi might not make it. Try testing arm shooting and see how you like it
Me too, I was so used to very fast and relaxed mouse movements on league. Now on Valorant I play at 1.800 sensitivity, my friends think that it's too fast but for me it's just normal
I’m a wrist aimer & personally, it’s always BEST to warm your wrist & fingers. Also i learn sport science, arm aimer may potentially have a risk of aching your entire forearm or shoulder without you realising it. It may even stiff your shoulders as well. Eitherway, do whatever kinds of warmup you’re comfortable with for your hands as it will help greatly & also reduce the risk of injury
imo the best is a hybrid between wrist and arm aiming, i use kind of a medium high sens (380 edpi) and i mostly aim with my wrist because ive been doing it for 10+ years but i use my arm muscles to do big flicks and 180s, ive tested many sens since the beta and seems to me that between 300 and 400 edpi is the sweet spot to use both wrist aim and arm aim
@@iLikeRevenge. i havent played in a while but i did manage to peak at diamond rank with that sens before stopping and my aim was really consistent. keep in mind i used to do lots of aimlabs on a daily basis tho
Me arm aiming: *Swipes left and hits keyboard* "FRICK!" *Dies* "OMG!!!?" 2nd Round: *Swipes left but lifts mouse up and smacks monitor* "FINALLY! I didn't hit my keyboard. Let's get it!!!!"
I've always used a really high sensitivity, whether on a controller or mouse, so I naturally found wrist aiming more comfortable. I use 3200 dpi with a .6 sensitivity which is equivalent to 2.4 sens with 800 dpi or 1920 edpi. I know that sounds like a lot but I think its related to my extensive time on controller as well as my COD trickshotting background. Essentially, good trickshotting requires max sens on console and I didn't want to switch to a new sens every time I hit last so I just started playing on max sens all the time and eventually got used to it. Max sens on console combined with great spin timing from years of trickshotting allowed me to perform insane flicks on controller that allowed me to compete with pc players but now that I use KBM for most competitive shooters, I use wrist aiming combined with high dpi. I think the reason for this is because it sort of reminds me of aiming with an analog in the sense that I'm doing insanely small inputs but still rotating my FOV a lot.
To those who ask. You can’t limit yourself by using only aim or wrist aiming. Should do both. Arm aiming when checking corners and wrist aiming when point to enemy and adjust your aim. It’s called “micro aim adjustment”
I'm a wrist airmer who is desperately trying to arm aim but man it's so difficult I always end up switching back to wrist and raising my sensitivity. I am slowing adjusting though. I went from 1600 dpi to 800 dpi in valorant in game sensitivity 1.61.
It's probably harder because you didn't lower it enough to really use your arm. 800dpi 1.6 sens is still a very high sensitivity that I wouldn't even arm aim on . You need to go down to like 800dpi .5 sens
Same here I have been a wrist aimer for around a decade and I don't think I'll be able to switch so easily. Current playing with 2600dpi with 1.0, 1.2 (scope) in game sens
him: explaining how you usually have higher sens while wrist aiming since you can't make big movements easily people who use mouse accel: i'm 4 parallel universes ahead of you
Sameee, Ive using a edpi of 1900 and trying to use arm aiming, i'm gonna try a lower one to see if it's better, your comment it's 2 months ago, what have You done about your edpi? PD: Sorry for My Bad English, i speak spanish xc
@@Framax00 oh haha it looks like you had the same problem as me, I just started off using around 800 edpi, and kept lowering it down to what felt comfortable to me, while using arm aiming. I also checked out what edpi my favorite pros were using and tried them out too.
@@mikewazowski8329 yes XS, thanks for the reply, i did the same and it feels waaaaay better now ^^. I didnt check the edpi of My fav pros, i should do that thank youuu, have a Nice day ;)
I used to be a wrist aimer but 5 years ago I found out using your wrist mainly will increase your chances of carpal tunnel so I switched immediently and I've been an arm aimer for many years now
i do both wrist and arm aiming. Ive been wrist aiming for about 7 years and tried arm aiming for the first time about a year ago, i had no issues when wrist aiming, tho, i had this problem if i aimed too much with my arm, i feel tingly cramps around my forearm. This has been going on ever since i started arm aiming.
Aiming mastery is hidden in combination of both wrist and arm aiming. Let your wrist do the work localy and move your wrist with an arm where it needs to work.
@@JPshowsports mine is like 3k lol but my friend give me his 400 dpi and shii it’s hard I wanna switch to my old dpi but damn I played to much on 400 and my aim is on 3k is bad 🙁so I’m stuck atm
I was always used to high sensitivity on desktop, LoL, arcade FPS like CoD etc ... Didn't even know that some people use the entire arm to aim, now I understand why I struggle with headshots. I checked, and I was playing with 1800DPI and 2.2 sensitivty in game, so almost 4000EDPI
So true, i've been doing wrist aim since i was 10 now im 25 and i felt my arm and cromion destroyed after 1 week of arm practicing without any chance o kill anyone, now 2 weeks later i can get more than 50 kills, i made the mistake of raising my hand to aim so needed to add other 3 days to reload my arm to the desk, then i included wrist aim for far and conglomerated enemies so I couldn´t kill again lol, it took me another 2 days to handle how to switch between them depending of the circunstances, also add 1 more week due to sensivity changes and 360/cms modifies, all its about practice im really obssesed with this but now i finally stand out on the scoreboard
brother you are the most usefull and helpful person in my whole life.. you always clear all my problems in valorant,... thanksyou so much... btw is 1.56 sensi (my sensi with default dpi) too high?
i’ve always used wrist aiming but i had no clue what that even meant thx for this video(also for the health part because of i sense i’ve always used my pinky finger to slow my mouse aim for hard shots and it hurts
somewhat both, although i use more of my wrist i actually use my elbow and kind of a achor and i only bigger swipes as i slide my elbow across my desk and for very small and slow movements i use my wrist
I've been a league player for 10+ years now and have achieved the top of the ranks and also competed locally in big tournaments. Now I wanna try a new challenge with fps games that I've never touched. I wanna try arm aiming hehe. Wish me luck
I'm surprised that people didn't go straight to arm aiming I have been on pc for about 4 months now and I couldn't only use my wrist it felt so bad and I felt more consistent with my arm only thing is I have a small mouse pad meant for wrist players so I hit my keyboard all the time lmao but great video!
Ans then there's me who has a EDPI of 3200 in every game. Guess it's just years of practice with that DPI that I just don't like any DPI lower than that
I do both use my arm to cover large distances and when the crosshair is at wrist distance of an enemies head I stop my arm and use my wrist. If I need to adjust up and down I use my fingers, so my shoulder takes less of a toll.
It has been a subject of debate whether relying predominantly on wrist movement for aiming in gaming can lead to potential physical strain. While acknowledging the validity of concerns related to potential harm, I firmly hold the belief that viable strategies exist to mitigate this issue. One such approach involves integrating targeted hand and wrist exercises into one's routine. By incorporating a comprehensive workout regimen, individuals can enhance the endurance and strength of these crucial anatomical components. This, in turn, can contribute to fostering a balanced aiming technique that minimizes the risk of strain associated with excessive wrist usage. It is essential to recognize that achieving optimal precision and comfort in gaming necessitates a holistic approach that encompasses both refined wrist movements and the engagement of the entire arm. Ultimately, through a combination of ergonomic practices, exercise, and mindful gameplay, gamers can strike a harmonious equilibrium between wrist and arm utilization, thus promoting both performance and physical well-being. I hope this helped young gamers.
was a wrist aimer, now I'm both wrist and arm. since wrist only kind of restrict movements, I use arm when I need to make wide turns. I can neither play with too high sens nor too low sens and nor can do a lot of mouse movements, so I balance between a lot of movement and a lot of sensitivity which is 800dpi, 500hz, 0.45 in-game sens in valorant.
I am a mixed aimer. I have a lot of space where I game but I don't game on a desk atm so at times I use my wrist only and other times I use my arm and wrist. working on getting a desk tho. (the desks at my house have a glossy finish and my mouse cant track movement on glossy surfaces. Also, I don't have a mousepad yet :( This will change soon)
I was a wrist aimer for a year 800dpi 1.6 sens and now i switched to 800 dpi 0.506 and i see consistent improvement , before someday i was a vct player another day i saw grass everywhere but now i am better than yesterday at the end of the day flicks are cool but cannot always make you win always
If your wrist hurt you are probably playing the game with low sensitivity DON'T i play with the wrist i still have 0 problem after 6 years of wrist AIM so pls if you play with the wrist use a high sensitivity . Thank you
There is no combine both. If you do both, then you are an arm aimer. If you use any combination of the two you are arm, if you use only wrist, you are wrist.
I like really high edpi and the people think I’m strange. (I mean, they’re right, I use 4000 dpi with 1 sensitivity) But I can only do a 180 if I really force my wrist
I have a decent space for my mouse, a 30x80 deskmatt, minus the full size keyboard its a decent space, i do arm aiming but sometimes wrist for very small movement
I am both of these, as I use both of them depending on what I need them for. Since I play Valorant I need little Arm Movement, but my EDPI is 400, with a Sens of 0.5 and DPI of 800. I used to be wrist only gamer as I had little space to use, and my sensitivity would be 1600 and DPI of 1000, which is insane as I can no longer make those movements, but the more I get used to an EDPI the faster I feel with it going out of control. I have changed my sensitivity 4 times within 1 year.
as a wrist aimer for a long time. i hate being high sens but im used to it. sometimes my wrist positions in weird angles because i rarely carry my mouse or my hand gets awkward positions which sometimes hurt and forces me to reposition my hand which loses my focus. the inconsistency of being a highsens is more. on a good day i feel like a god but shortly after i turn into a bot and viceversa.
Do note : IF YOU ALREADY HAVE GOTTEN COMFORTABLE WITH A WRIST SENSE, DONT CHANGE IT. you are going to ruin your muscle memory, you can still do what arm aimers do with your wrist
Hey i just wanted to say i like your vids and i think one video that would help me and a lot of others would be using your keyboard i know it sounds like a bad video but i have searched youtube and found nearly none and i think it is an important mechanic to learn especially on how to use it with your movement to better help your aim.
im literally flicking my wrist out everyday and it never did hurt whatsoever, like i dunno how you've gotta play to make it hurt from just flicking around
Tbh, arm aiming is more relieved my wrist than wrist aiming. However, my desk is pretty small. That there is no choice I should do in wrist aiming and increase my sensitivity around 1.5
I used to wrist aim cause I had a tiny notebook as a mousepad, but recently I bought a big gaming mousepad and my aim has been getting worse and worse so I tryied changing sensitivity (before I had 1800 dpi & 0.35 sens now I have 1500 dpi and 0.3 sens (450 edpi)) I have also tryied arm aiming but that just makes it even worse, cherry on top is that idk why but sometimes my mouse stops detecting that its over the mousepad and stops working, resulting in my aim freeze some seconds
I'm a (failed) guitar player who had elbow tendinitis for using my arm too much when playing. Elbow tendinitis is no joke, I mean, every tendinitis is fecking bad but on the elbow is like a curse, there's no position you leave your arm to even alleviate the pain. After it I could only use use wrist or even only fingers, so I can't play any FPS game with my arm. TBH I'm also a failed player, but after such pain I would never go back into doing such things again. That being said it's not like playing instruments and playing games are the same thing, but, your mind tricks you sometimes, y'know.
