WTH Is Wrong With Jeep 

@IamGroot786 In my view, you'd have to be brain dead to pay $30k for a Jeep....that isn't even Jeep anymore. Jeep died a long time ago.

@@rvierra7235 So what’s it called?

​@@crabbymilton390Call it Fiat or Stellantis.

@@rvierra7235 Well you think way back. JEEP had many parents over the decades but for whatever reason, it couldn’t stand on its own. If it weren’t for CHRYSLER, JEEP would not have existed today.

@crabbymilton390 Give it up, you are hissing in the wind. Go drive your Subaru on the fire-road and claim you were out off roading.

Yes

Hell yeah!! 👍

you can bet these european ace clowns will take the solid front axle from the wrangler next

They didn't ask. We would have told them. I've had a TJ Wrangler for 25 years. Nobody asked me why I haven't replaced it. I would have happily told them.

To be fair, Jeeps are considered to be a luxury brand in some markets, especially Asian markets. But point taken and I totally agree

In Brazil, Jeep is a luxury brand

@@clebermatheuswhy? They’re pretty crappy. And not very luxurious

@@mongo64071 Because incredibly, these cars are good for the Brazilian market despite the problems presented in the cars, mainly in the T270 engine sold in Brazil.

If you expect to take a WRANGLER on an extended drive on the interstate, you’ll be disappointed. Not designed for that purpose.

They ought to ignore LAND ROVER and concentrate on FORD, GM, and TOYOTA as their principal competitors. The WAGONEER AND GRAND WAGONEER are meant to compete with the FORD EXPEDITION/ LINCOLN NAVIGATOR and CHEVROLET SUBURBAN/ GMC YUKON XL:/CADILLAC ESCALADE. LAND ROVER is in a segment by itself.

Jeep has really lowered its standards if it's trying to compete with Land Rover which is owned by Tata Motors Group. Land Rover has a significant history of poor reliability so from that perspective Jeep fits right in. If Jeep is shooting for being a "status symbol" vehicle like Land Rover, Mercedes, BMW etc, then it's a huge mistake on Jeep's end. The Jeep brand has historically never been considered to be or categorized as a "status brand" and quite frankly they should avoid going down that path. Jeep was built on the rugged outdoors, go anywhere mentality something that really no other automaker could come close to. Jeep should go back its roots and build quality off-roaders that can go anywhere and stop mucking around in the status brand genre.

​@@cbrue1896Jeep was a status brand only among people who are not into traditional status symbols. Driving a Jeep CJ or Wrangler said something about who you were and what your priorities were. You probably made fun of guys with fancy mechanical watches or girls with Gucci purses.

At the same time that Land Rover has been launching more stripped down and affordable models.

Jeep had the reputation of being unreliable, but easy to work on and inexpensive. Now they have a reputation of being unreliable, and overpriced and hard to work on.

@@RenlangRen Yet people still by the stupid things. But then again at least was shrewd enough to put the new SUV known as as the WAGONEER/.GRAND WAGONEER under the JEEP brand more or less instead of RAM or CHRYSLER. Personally, it wouldn’t have made any difference to me if I was in the market which name plate it had but JEEP people seem to have a bagaboo over that even though they are all sold at the same dealer.

Supply and demand isn't greed. If the price is too high, don't buy it and if enough people do the same then they have to lower price or drop the model.

@@RedHuntsman Say whatever you want about TESLA or whatever company you want. But you are correct. Companies have to pay bills and and suppliers. Sure nobody likes to pay higher prices. So many times the anger is directed towards the company. Blame the government for high taxes and regulations that causes prices to escalate. Not a TESLA fan but if people want to buy them, all the more power to them. The fact that people are buying them is not a bad thing. So what if many people who work for old Musk can’t afford a new TESLA? They are building them and there are people out there who can buy one. Perhaps the people who complain that they can’t buy one vote for Democrats who love to tax you silly hence less money to spend. That includes local and state levels not just federal.

​@@RenlangRen Spot on , my friend.

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I've got a Chrysler video coming out in the future; they've been "lost" for about 20 years now.

Try 70 years.. All the Mopar guys love to tell people this "but yeah "real" Mopars of the 60's-80's were crap because Chrysler was small and broke" nonsense. Forgetting how deep the hubris actually ran, or that the vehicles were ever NOT crap after the 50's. They had plenty of money, just a TERRIBLE terrible management style. For example did they really need to blow half a billion in 50's-60's dollars on gas turbine R&D which they knew before they even started the project would never ever sell? How much have they wasted on putting prototypes into production like the Prowler and Viper. Yes I'm aware of the sales tool aspect, but buy ad time is always cheaper

@@Drmcclung I will concur. I'm not a fanboy of any brand, and in my opinion Chrysler products (I guess that would be MOPAR) are shoddy. It's a shame because they 'sometimes' have really iconic designs. And the interiors of Chryslers are always very nice for the money.

@@warrenny Definitely agree Chrysler had some fab interiors in the 50's into the 60's, that much I'll give them.

@@warrenny My grandparents had a 1965 PLYMOUTH FURY III when I was a little kid. I got such a kick out of that car and loved riding in it. It had a lot of rust in 1975 when they replaced it. That 318 had a very bad habit of konking out at the most in opportune times. But I also loved the sound of that gear reduction starter. One of the best ideas that CHRYSLER had that other builders adopted over time.

Don't want those bad heads, eh? Lol. Can't blame you. Late 90s interior aesthetic is just chef's kiss for me. My phase 1 XJ had its own charm, though.

@@ochiamu I have the 2001 XJ. Drove it 9 years with a cracked head LOL. I could never understand why the coolant expansion bottle was always brown and mud in the bottom of it. I cleaned it weekly. Finally I noticed that that bottle was always empty. The head gasket finally gave out. New cylinder head and gasket $1800. I rebuilt the cooling system while at it. The XJ has 276,000 miles now and I never have had any issues except that head cracking. It runs like a stomper and goes over anything. I will keep it forever. I am in AZ so not rust

@@utistudent099 someone T-boned me in my '96, and flipped me over. The wrecker brought it home and bet me it wouldn't turn over. It did, and drive around. Sold it to someone who wanted the engine- they ended up using it for a fishing rig for years, eventually it got through a rough truck contest and I believe they still used it around the farm afterwards. It had 246k miles. My 98 has about 230k now. It's nicer to ride in than some of the newer vehicles I've had, actually.

But they'll have "character"! :)

Thanks for your reporting - this confirms my suspicions.... To set this up; My son's 2018 Wrangler JLUR (Unlimited - meaning 4-door - Rubicon for those not familiar) has been problematic from the get-go. We bought it used w/ 47K miles for far too much in 2021 - the peak of used car pricing (price matched the mileage!). This was when he graduated college, and he needed new wheels to get to his new job because my old rusting Mazda 6 hatchback wasn't safe anymore. And, of course, he HAD TO HAVE A WRANGLER (was his life-long dream). It's all image to him - he'll probably never rock crawl with his new 35" tires and the electronic front anti-roll bar. Meanwhile, it's already had electrical issues, never mind the leaking right rear LED taillight it came with and eventually cost us $800 to replace. Starting out right away, we had an engine light where multiple dash lights came on, triggering many OBD II codes and system lockouts for stop/start, power steering, VSC and more. The Jeep dealer charged $350 to change a silly $20 CAN bus connector. I was convinced they knew what the problem was and fixed it in 10 minutes but charged us that much anyway. Grr! Had an engine light for "small vapor leak", and it ended up being the stupid charcoal canister purge valve. The canister on the older model JK was under the car, you didn't even need ramps. The new one requires rear passenger wheel removal, wheel housing splash guard removal, and pulling out the canister to access the valve. Another PITA. Had a random cylinder 3 misfire for a while. Changed that coil and plug, we'll see if that lasts. In the process of doing that I found oil seepage from seals around things poking out of the valve covers, meaning pressure build up, so I replaced the PCV valve (at about 70K miles and yes it was very sticky) which was foolishly located on the rear end of the passenger side valve cover, facing the firewall. That required lots of swearing, cuts on my hands, and an innovative use of pry bars and wood blocking to get enough forward pressure on the valve to compress the o-ring enough to be able to rotate the valve into position. TERRIBLE engineering. Oh, and I found a rodent chewed wire running from behind the battery toward the front of the bay. It was chewed near the positive battery terminal. The wires were wrapped in cloth-type electrical tape, and the red and orange wires inside were thin and the insulation fragile. Who knows what those wires were for. I had to strip, splice, solder and re-tape them. PITA. Now he's moved to San Diego, the engine light is back and so is the light showing a loose gas cap. I'm not there to work on it so off to the dealer if I can get him to actually make an appointment. We recently visited him out there, and noticed his AC was not cooling. He said "Oh yeah that started last week"... I poked around - the AC compressor spins by hand - with the engine off of course - so it's not seized. But the clutch does not engage even though the cooling system fans go into overdrive when the AC button is pushed. Seems electrical and it's not a fuse problem because I pulled the fuses specific to the compressor. The Jeep is at 75K miles now, and while poking around I noticed a flimsy little connector with thin gage wires at the compressor. Where the wires come off the harness, the weight of the short span of the wires causes a small kink where the wires are fitted on the upward facing end of the connector, and the wires are cracked and the copper exposed. Wiggling this wire with the AC on did not cause a change, so who KNOWS were the problem is. Anywho, there's a short synopsis of dealing with Jeep crap in a short 3 years. There's plenty more but no doubt most readers didn't get this far.

​@@InexplicableBill I feel your pain. 2018 JLU Sport, between 70k & 80k I have racked up about 10 grand in repairs, including warped heads because coolant was leaking in. No rock crawling only daily driver. The only thing that was covered under warranty was the catalytic converter that had to be replaced. I've got an oil cooler leak, two coolant leaks, a rear main seal leak, and of course the rear axles are leaking. I bought the can bus myself at dealership for $70 took me 5 minutes to replace. Because like yours my dash was lighting up like a Christmas tree and my shifter was locked. Well anyway good luck man I know I need it. 😔

HUGE point! I have noticed the same with younger relatives and coworkers.

It's not just 15 year olds, but 25 year olds. Vehicles are expense, and a lot of people don't enjoy driving, and don't feel freedom on the open road.

​@@MarkRose1337probably because all they want to do is play video games

The Uber generation. As Klaus Schwab says "you will own nothing and be happy"

​@@MarkRose1337as a lifelong detroiter, I see a MAJOR collapse of the auto industry on the horizon... Again 😢

The difference in quality between AMC Jeep and Chrysler Jeep is astounding. Plastic in Chrysler Jeep is more brittle and looks cheaper than AMC ones. AMC definitely knew better of what quality was.

@@nowiecoche AMC executives ironically were the ones controlling the combined company. The quality improved right before the merger then Daimler cost cutted them to death.

@@colinschmitz8297 So that's why the XJ up to 1996 and the YJ had AMC parts in it.

@@nowiecoche AMC became part of Chrysler in 87. AMC in many cases used parts bins from all three of the big three. That's why you would find distinctly GM parts like the Chevy 2.8 V6 and GM steering column, keys etc. in the XJ before Chrysler bought them out. Then for a bit they would have the Pentastar logo on distinctly GM keys, then eventually switched to Chrysler keys, etc. one of the ironies about the XJ was during AMC Renault, it used a Chrysler automatic with a GM V6. When Chrysler took over, it used an Aisin Warner transmission and AMC straight 6 until Daimler killed it off.

chrysler jeep ruined mercedes.

Because you can get the HiLux and FJ40 equivalent. The US keeps those vehicles out for "safety" or "emissions" to protect American Brands and Americans still consider Jeep American as well.

You got Nissan Patrol and FJ 70 Toyota which we don't get in the US.

Apparently everywhere then. Why should anyone be surprised at that?

I haven't had a problem with my JKU. Maybe the new ones are crap?

Please!

I still have a 99 TJ 4.0l 6, 5 speed manual, soft top I bought new. They stopped building anything I really wanted, whey they went to the JK. So I throw parts at the last real Jeep, that's already in my garage.

You're correct. I drive a 1975 CJ6 and later I bought a used JKU Wrangler. The CJ is fun to drive and is a mountain goat, but so is the JKU only way more comfortable. The AMC, 258 engine in the CJ6 is FAR easier to work on than the V6 Pentastar in the Wrangler. And just for that point alone, if I had a choice between the two I would choose the CJ6.

"Mall Rated". Oh, that's great!

Biden tax

yeah, more like 120,000.

I walk and talk based on memory. The Grand Wag starts way below $100k, and I wasn't positive off my brain how far over $100k it would get, so I hedged my words here and ended up with the worst of every option! :)

@AllCarswithJon I wasn't trying to pull your card. I just wanted to strengthen your point at just how crazy Jeep has gotten with the pricing. The video had some good talking points, and I too wonder what they're thinking with Jeep. Chrysler has let Chrysler wither and die on the vine, pretty much Dodge too. They've sunk all their eggs into Jeep and Ram (Ram has what, two models?). If Jeep is sliding they've got some problems.

@@arieljones4595 It's all good. I was trying to explain why I said it the way I did. :)

For the life of me, how the Ram 1500 hasn't been offered as a Jeep for all this time, is completely bonkers.

@@AllCarswithJon I don't understand that, either. Jeep used to sell great pickups. I would love to have a used Comanche(especially a 1991-1992 model). A used J-series pickup would be an interesting project truck for me.

@@AllCarswithJonThere are lots of Ram 1500 pickup parts under a Jeep Gladiator. It does not use the same chassis as the wrangler. It uses many of the same body parts as the wrangler though. The drivelines and axles are a mix of the two.

Well, there's a lot more to car buying than she gave it credit for. I wonder if she learned anything by her mistake.

I don't see this as accurate except for the financial part. Also, Millennials are in their 30s and 40s now. Tons of millennials are into cars. Jeep as a brand is having issues because they are trying to compete with premium brands where they should be the brand for average joes.

He's the guy who made the decision to sell the Fiat 500 in the states again, right? If correct, definitely bold move.

He is also the guy that killed Fiat and Lancia.

@@nowiecocheHe said it during the introduction of the 500 that’s he doesn’t expect volume sale from the Fiat brand. He already understood the market but brought Fiat over anyway because that was his darling brand. If he wanted volume sales, he would’ve brought over the Tipo and other regular models.

@@scottyg7284No. Fiat was rescued and began thriving thanks to his new product line and effective cost cutting. Fiat never was meant to sell volume in the US. In other markets like Europe and South America, Fiat is a dominant brand. On the other hand, Lancia is like the Chrysler of Fiat. I do believe Marchionne had a plan for Lancia, like I also believe he had a plan for Chrysler. He passed away too early before he could really set those two brands in the right direction.

Agreed

Well said.

And most of the time, sedans contain just the driver.

He's turning all right. More like turning in his grave.

Why? Do you cringe when you see a four door coupe😂 Yeah those CJ's were nice Jeeps for sure for their time, but man did they rust like crazy!

Well, you put my 3 Jeeps I've owned to shame. Back when I was either 18 or 19 I saw a WW2 jeep at a used car lot. Priced like it was made of gold. The salesman left us to poke around it and get it started, which it wouldn't do. It cranked, but wouldn't catch and I remember under the hood some electrics started smoking! Salesman bragged that the owners son had been driving it, even driving it up creeks. Once we got it started, it wouldn't MOVE! Took off the 4wd and it would go, but turns out something in the front drivetrain was locked up. We suspected that 'creek driving' had ruined either the diff or front axle. I offered them like $500. Needless to say, I never bought it. :)

I'll add to your thought that Tavares is very concerned about the coming wave of Chinese EVs (as are most CEOs), but isn't it interesting he's talking about cutting *costs*, not *prices". He's trying to dig in for profit margins, when part of the problem is overpriced vehicles they're having trouble moving.

Who's decision is that?

Interesting.... Thanks!

My brother just bought a 75 Dodge Dart with 28K on it for $14K . Too much you say?! Try getting a new car today for 3times that and he can work on that slant six himself.