Wu Tang Forever shouldve been a WHOLE 4th SEASON, They did their best to Compact the whole Album Process in one episode which was executed well but I realize how the Whole album affected the Whole Group; It was some deep ish
Agreed. It would have been a perfect 4th season frfr. Let the 3rd season be about the solo albums and the process that affected the entire Clan. Even a little more Cappadonna
I agree RZA wanted to do 4 or 5 seasons but freaking Hulu. Yeah from what I gathered in the documentary and hearing interviews from the members after this album is when everyone drifted apart and wanted to do their own thing. The tour with Rage didn’t make anything better
I think he wanted them to see the process of where they could go with the music. But yea, sometimes as the producer you gotta set the plate for the rappers
@@xMister.Misterx thats actually a shit move on Rae's part. Nardwuar is one of the greatest interviewers in modern culture and has been able to connect fans with their favorite artists even more by harping back to old stories about the artists life we would've never known.
One thing I notice about Rza's character throughout the series is while he great ideas, but it isn't thought out well enough. And, unfortunately sometimes it leads to some form of repercussion. For example, here he is envisioning taking the Wu Tang sound to the text next level, and as he conducts and listens to the violin sound, he is envisioning a masterpiece, but he fails to realize that his friends need to hear something concrete (drum beats with the hip hop boom bap,) to write to, lol. The repercussion being that this adds on to an already existing issue Rae has with Rza (decisions being made without discussing it with the group), which leads to major push back from Rae in the final episode.
True... he made the mistake of thinking his friends would see things the way he saw them.. part of being a true genius is being able to understand your environment and move accordingly... RZA is a different cat. He knows what he sees and what he wants, but he may have not known how to express it to them.
Im telling you! This season felt outta place! If they didn’t do the imaginary episodes? And kept it half the season about the tour and second Wu album? It would’ve been fired, cause seriously I think everyone was outta place and it didn’t end like the season finale when they all took a thanksgiving picture
I’m with Rae on this one. Actually I was with Rae the whole season, Rza didn’t ask them what they wanted, and they majority rule in the Clan. Rza the only one that wanted that shit. If they compromised Wu-Tang Forever woulda been 10 times better
Now I see why RZA kept different MCs around.. because human nature will tell you that everyone had different tastes..I know RAE was going to resist..but I bet GHOSTFACE will kill any track..
A visionary is someone who sees things other's can't, so sometimes it looks like he's seeing something that's not there, when really the rest of us are blind.
Wu always used piano, violin etc..but yeah but hard to write rhymes without a beat .the production on Wu Forever is bananas and sounds ahead of it's time even now.
@@Da_Humble_LifeWhat?! So For Heavens Sake/Scary Hours/Visionz/MGM/Duck Seazon/Little Ghetto Boys/Severe Punishment/Older Gods/Itz Yourz/Bells of War/The City/Projects/Triumph were all “Wack”?! 💀
Shit, it’s crazy they wasn’t feeling the Shit cuz it’s some 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Ass beats on Wu Tang Foreva & people be saying they fell off cuz of Rza production, but as the show been telling they story! Everybody was going in they own way
@@metrowater2819 biggie hated juicy because it was an RnB sample that didn't have the same vibe as what he was originally doing. You see how changing it up worked for Big and Wu tho right?
If u were a fan of old school you automatically loved that album shit it started out with George Clinton on the intro just like doggystyle and all eyes on me
...do yall not realize this live orchestra is how beats like Reunited and Triumph came about?...smh....yall jumpin the gun the same way Rea & 'em was...lol
Naaaaah... Even with the second album the production started to become questionable. By the third album, RZA was gone. There was no more gritty production. 4th Disciple and TruMaster should have took over from there like they were doing on Cappadonna "The Pillage" album.
You're not very bright, huh? That orchestrated song RZA wanted them to write to is in the time Signature of 3/4. It's basically like a waltz. 3 beats per measure as opposed to the usual 4 beats a measure most songs (especially rap songs) use. You try rapping yo 3 beats per measure and see how simple it is. RZA's power has gone a bit to his head here and he's kind of out of touch with his own group. Let's not insult a bunch of people who agree with Raekwon. Raekwon is right. RZA is buggin.
@P-Jay Wade ...yea...we can all agree Rza production started declining after Forever....but im just speakin in context of THIS point in the show that this clip depicts....they hadn't heard the final results of what this orchestra and Rza sampling live instruments to make beats did for the beats on this album...like the few I mentioned that turned out to be some of his best ones...
Rza is an artist. The clan is rappers. And ghetto ass rappers at that. He should've known not to mix the two. Still use the instruments, but don't present anything to the clan musically until it reflects something they have the sense of comfort to at least identify with
@@RedRanger_ All the more reason to halt on the idea of showing some hood dudes who rap a fucking white symphony. Then literally expect them to write music to it ??? What other reaction did he expect.
Honestly RZA was right seeing how Wu Tang Forever ended up , and how many more producers ended up utilizing live sound and orchestra in their production adding that cinematic feel.
(Born U Truth) but in the end, Raekwon was right. Eventually RZA's Mozart shit fucked up the Clan's sound & that's why Rae had to come back with Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang after the 8 Diagrams Album cause that shit was wack and so was everything thing else as far as RZA's production. I'm a fan as since day one till the end, that's just how I see it.
It is crazy that after everything RZA did for them they still cannot trust him. He needed them too, to an extent, but RZA could have given his beats to literally any rapper in New York in the 90's and anyone worth listening too would have killed it.
Well Raekwon was right; it didn’t even have drums on it 🤣 It would have been easier to sell if he had made the beat first. But whatever he did it all wprked out in the end. Wu Tang Forever was their BEST album!
Idk why Raekwon was tripping on rza finding a new sound the album literally went number one on the billboard people for what rza went through the man literally had a flood and could of lost everybody album but he went in that water and got everyone out and still sold came on top despite everything he believed in his boys
@@tdup191it’s the fact that they even got to that point w that many different personalities in one group. It takes a special king of person to pull that off
@@Jay62812 the beats are dope but they don’t make the full product rza wouldn’t have been shit without them either. Rza wouldn’t even let them rap on other people’s beat and once he did they all took off.
I mean.. the instruments aren’t the issue.. plenty of the best beats have classical instrumentation. Rza’s goofy ass just told them to play some random garden music classical that doesn’t really translate towards their sound. If they played something more minor key/darker the rest of the gang would’ve taken to it I’m sure
Dude playing raekwon🤣🤣 he makes the show for me they all do they thing....I get where rae was coming from tho wu forever was good not great....and the sound change had alot to do with it...
@@Presice it became the number one album because it had a cleaner and more mainstream sound that was palatable to people who didn’t appreciate their best material
@@mistahmst Lol Wu Tang Forever Mainstream? What radio were you listening to in 1997? Bad Boy was Mainstream and that's who ruled Billboard at that time. If you wasn't there, maybe use Google before you get to typing. 9 dudes rhyming on a beat with no chorus is not Mainstream. It was never Mainstream. It wasn't mainstream with Protect Ya Neck and damn sure wasn't mainstream with Triumph. Yet that's exactly what Rza orchestrated AGAIN, the difference being he OWNED the sound this time around. Less sample clearances. But to you internet dudes that's "cleaner and more palatable". Lol
@@ahk7137 it wasn’t being played on the radio like that, but there ain’t no denying that it had a more mainstream sound than the albums before it. Not “shiny suit” mainstream, but the beats weren’t as hard as on the previous albums. Obviously less sample clearance was a better business move, but the sample based beats sounded better. The songs didn’t age as well.
These dudes could’ve all ended up in jail or worse had it not been for RZA I understand they were all young and headstrong. But not to trust him. After he just made u famous and now is trying to make u rich too. Cmon man. U must be kidding me. But we definitely now know who was right
