WUTHERING WAVES THIS IS A PROBLEM!!! 4 STAR ISSUE 

For as long kuro gave us guarenteed limited 5 stars weapon and not 50/50... Idc much about the f2p 4 stars...

The biggest concern here is not the 4 star weapon but theae types of people who keep complainin like bro they have stats its just that you wanna compare it with 5 star weapons like thats bs just save your pulls and be patient jeez (autumtrance) is a great example i think that one has crit rate... Damn bro on regards withs xp echoes thats fine i dont think they need to change that cuz first of all once u get a good stats u can just remove it and add it back you yap too much that doesn't make any sense and yap without thinking just imagine in a Business perspective if they increase the echoes exp given on tacet field and alot of people will get good stats then thats the end of it your just too lazy to farm u can just hunt a specific echo and maybe ur rng is lucky you get the stats you needed damn...

Tee o banner de armas garabtido e critico nas armas t5 sem garantidos, nos dá o luxo de farmar menos echos. O que torna o jogo no geral, bem menoa predatório em comparação ao jogo wue começa com a letra G.

I’ve lost 8 50/50 in a row btw WuWa and Genshin.

They should add a recycling option where you take X amount of echoes of the same type and get a new one but with the mainstat of your choosing, thatd make the elemental bonus misses while farming feel less frustrating given 3 cost echoes are the hardest to farm and have the highest amount of possible main stats to roll

I have more problem not being able to get echo xp trough normal domain but by getting more echo ENOUGH, I HAVE TOO MUCH, I CAN'T LEVEL THEM UP

i mean if other game five f2p play thier 5 star weapon and swap able in endgame content all 4 star will suck ass in comparison too

Yeah I agree tbh they need better 4star options man cause they all kinda feel useless

Echo xp is definitely the biggest problem it will also help with gameplay loop cause now I would be incentivized to go out in the open world and farm echos for the xp if I could sacrifice them.

I got the 5 star sword, gun, and rectifier. I’m hoping my Jinshi and Jiyan broadswords will get me through the next few patches and Xiangli Yao weapon will set me up for punch characters. I don’t really like the Abyss Surge weapon, so I don’t plan to get it. If anything, I want to get dupes for the 5 star weapons I already have.

I did a 40 pull on the standard weapon convene and all my 4 stars were characters not one weapon yet. It's a pain cause I'm stuck with crap weapons and no 4 stars from the banner.

2:18 Same so I'm planning on my free to play account to get mostly weapons and only build units that are good. My main 😂 account is in shamble even though i whaled only thing i missed was regretting yinlin weapon strimgmaster. Now planning for Zhezhi weapon it would look good on verina becuz of Flower pattern.

it makes sense that the 4* free options pale in comparison to the featured 5* and even standard 5* to get players to pull but yeah the disparity is pretty huge aside from Variation and to a smaller extent Overture the rest of the 4* just perform worse even at r5 also hoping they adjust it a bit I don't mind the stat differential but make the effects a bit more useful

Let me ask this, what should we choose? A very high chance of getting all standard 5* weapons the longer we play or we get a variety of 4* weapons that we would most likely quickly swap out for a 5* even the standard ones? The lack of decent 4* is compensated more than enough with guaranteed 5* limited and a selectable standard 5* plus the option to just switch weapons in ToA Right now I already have Yinlin's signature rectifier, Changli's sword, the 5* standard broadblade from the selector box and 5* standard pistol from the standard banner, I'm only missing the 5* gauntlet which is my target now and this is just 2 mos. in the game lmao

check the echoes they give away on that one mode. its an echo selector, it gives u exactly an elemental echo that you need. it helped me alot when i found out its a guaranteed element

even some Battle Pass Weapons are Atk%, why??? and some Standard 5 Star Weapons have C.Rate%, WHY ???

You can get multiple 5 star characters and 5star weapon for free how it's not f2p friendly 5star weapon in general should be a lot better than 4 star as 5star characters generally better than 4 stars 😑

4 star weapons are okay but I wish they were a little better, I also wish they had more four star characters

welll......... it only cost u maximum 80 pulls for a signature, no single 50/50 or double lose 50/50 like some gacha games so......

It is okay to bring out problems and hopefully kuru games will listen to players feedback. Acknowledge the problems and try to fix it make kuro game looks better than you know who. I agree with good discussion session instead of boycotting sht way. This game is not perfect but not so bad to get 1 star review.

Im free to play I still don't spend any money on the game. UN53 Only S class characters in game is Ling yang(not use), Jiaxin (Rover team buffer),S1 Jihnsi (Mainteam verina). My stats with Jinshi+her 5star weapon is 90%crit rate,238% Critdamage, 2.2k Attack. All I can say as F2P, you must know your priorities if you want to build all characters then you will a have hardtime getting your DPS built. If you are a F2P so you must understand that you can't get it all unless you pay money, the game literally said ''spend wisely".

Letting people use unupgraded gold echoes as exp would break the echo system. It would allow people to infinitely farm echo exp and quickly obtain +25 echoes with nigh perfect substats. This would also put a larger gap between players who do and do not have time to farm the open world. Honestly I don't think that there is really a problem with the 4* atk weapons because: Early on they are just a placeholder until you get a 5* weapon. Which doesn't take very long. And once you get the 5* upgrade of that weapon you can use the 4* as exp to quickly level up the 5*. And later on once you have good echo quality and the 4* weapons are at R5, some of them are actually decent. Assuming you care about the endgame content; currently you only need 3 dps''s to clear toa. That means ideally you only need 3 5* weapons max (if none of your dps's share weapons). All of the supports and sub dps's can use the various supportive 4* and 3* weapons. A free to play who has reached ul 45 should have at least 2 standard 5* weapons and enough pulls for at least one limited 5* character with their weapon (even if they lose 50/50). That's 3 5* weapons for 3 dps's in a relatively short amount of time. After that your account should be good, and you can just save your pulls for a character that you really want. Free to plays shouldn't be investing in a lot of characters early on anyway since they will not have the resources to do so. And there is no rush. Most players won't be able to 30/30 toa until they reach ul 60.

If you are free to play and don't have enough 5 star weapons for at least your main team by now (presuming you started at 1.0), I genuinely think you have a problem. I only spend money on the battle pass and $5 thing and I currently have six 5 star weapons. I knew weapons were more important than characters and I prioritized them over getting the standard characters. Now that I have them, I can happily pull for the characters without any worries.

Leveling echo is the main struggle on this game.

The weapon banner is not even 50/50. I don't really care much for 4 stars weapon that much since you can just swap weapons between units.

Good point, but even if they improve the 4 ⭐ weapon ain't no way I'm gonna used it and max it. Materials are so limited, u better used it for 5 ⭐ weapon standard- prem. Because at the end of the day stats matter.

Yall have issues I feel and get what yall saying but don’t pull most new characters and go for some weapons once in a while and then you will have more better weapons for the characters u do have then later u can save for a good character

Eu considero tranquilo essa questão das armas 4 estrelas, mesmo para quem não compra o passe, já que o banner de armas é garantido! O grande problema são os personagens 4 estrelas, que estão se repetindo de mais entre os banners. Mas isso se corrige com o tempo, e só sermos pacientes pessoal. I really hope that my comment can be translated in english, lol.

Not a problem cos you will get most of the 5 stars because it’s guaranteed. And eventually they will introduce more 4 stars it’s just 1.1 ffs 🤦🏻

Just pull or save pulls for standard weapon banner. Forget about the standard character banner, I mean you will eventually lose to them in 5050 if your unlucky🤣🤣

Oh 😮 I got all the standard weapons except the broad sword but I got Jinhsi weapon

echo exp is my problem , i can barely upgrade my echos Kuro should implement unusable echo or echo we don’t need to be as exp also

What is the link for the og video??

The defensive 4 stars weapons (Dauntless Evernight and Amity Accord) are only good on Taoqi and Yuanwu because of the DEF scale. Concerto weapons are great for sub DPS. Although I agree that F2P are kind of left behind in terms of damage, at the end of the day, they're 4 stars. Treat them as placeholders; don't invest too much into them. That said, I agree with 4 stars having more optimal DPS options because everyone can benefit from it.

worst part i think is the skills level up material, start from level 6 need weekly boss material, and u need up until level 10, wth, 1 week 3 rewards maximum give u 9 material, so meaning one week u only can up 1 character 2 skills to 10level

i have 5 5star weapons as f2p, 2 emerald genesis, 2 guns, and jinhsi broadblade. yes i rerolled and focused on weapon banner, yes i got lucky

i tried the battle pass , im ar 50+ it helped a lot , i say good purchase..

I kinda regret I didn't pull for jiyan or jihnsi's weapon. But I got terrible luck on character banner, lost 50/50 with high pity, so I though shouldn't go for weapon banner. So I don't have any limited weapon now.

Up til now, my Jiyan ain't built properly, god, I regret pulling for him and his weapon, and to think I have been farming solely for him every time and still no good enough cost 3 roll. lol rng hates me.

You can easy have 2 5Star Weapons as a f2p.

The Weapons just feel useless

I play Genshin since 3yrs. After a period you play a game, you have many 5star weapons and characters. Anyways you don't even look at ur 4stars weapons.