WXLW AM 950 Indianapolis Indiana 56 Street Tower. November 3 2015. Project designer and supervisor Ron Crider. Tower was built by World Tower, erected by Tower Works.
I know it’s already been said in different words, but... a guyed tower is held upright with guy cables, also called guy wires or just guys. They are not guide wires because they don’t guide anything, they guy, which is to say, they brace the tower. Of course I understand when people say guide instead of guy, it just makes me cringe a bit.
I understand completely. Don't know why but to hear things called something wrong, especially by someone who should "know", grates on my ears that much more. Guy wire it has been, Guy wire it is, Guy wire it shall always be. Don't know why he wants to call them guide wires as he explains, may be a regional thing.
@@The_DuMont_Network No, it is an ignorance thing. If he insists on calling them something else, he should have chosen "stay", such as the mast stays on a sailing vessel. That would be more appropriate, since masts and guys serve the same function.
@@buggsy5 I could even understand "stays", a primarily nautical term, to be sure, but us swabbies have different names for things. For example, I amuse myself by asking people in restaurants and the like "Where is the head?". And guide generally implies movement - guides keep moving things in the proper path
@@warrencorcoran9824 Guy wires on electric utility poles serve only one function, that is mechanically anchoring the pole against the tension of the wires to keep it from tipping over. The electric neutral conductor is not the guy, it is one of the wires running from pole to pole. You are probably thinking of the ground connection, sometimes called an earth connection, which runs down the side of the pole from the neutral (if there is one) or just from the top of the pole to the ground underneath the pole. This wire is for lightning protection. Likewise, the guy wires are connected to the grounding system for lightning protection.
At one point it appeared that two people where giving hand signals to the crane operator, not the best work site practice Couldn't tell(perhaps because o the wind noise) if the narrator was saying guide or guyed, of if he was using both terms. A guide wire is on thing, a guy wire is an entirely different thing. This is a guyed tower, which he may have said distinctly at least on one point point.
Wow! more than one "guy" (couldn't resist) giving signals to a crane operator who is in plain sight? Ahhhrgghhh! A recipe for disaster. If the crane operator cannot see the site, I might see the need for a relay, but this did not appear to be the case here.
@@The_DuMont_Network There are often rigging helpers that think they are doing something useful by trying to signal the crane operator. Usually, the operator knows who is the actual person in charge of the placement and ignores the other people. The operator needed directions when setting the sections, as he cannot see clearly enough at those distances to precisely position the sections.
Yep. It they were "guide" wires, the the tower would be a "guided" tower, which is nonsense. But he is pretty ignorant about the whole thing anyway. He said that the rigger on the tower pulled the lifted sections into position and the bolted them. That is absolutely false, all section positioning is done by the crane operator. All the rigger does is rotate the section as necessary to align the bolt holes.
@@fourfortyroadrunner6701 Yes, some of my fellow hams are pretty ignorant and most are NOT in the tower/antenna erection industry. A few of them have probably not had an original thought in their lives. The totality of their knowledge is what the heard from someone else or read when studying for their license exam. Most have never built or repaired a piece of electronics equipment - although that is why the government set up the Amateur Radio Service in the first place. I believe he stated that the tower is grounded. If so, it would be the first commercial radio station so grounded. It has an insulator at the base so that all that expensive tower can be used as part/all of the active radiator.
buggsy5 Don’t be so bloody know all pedantic. Of course the rigger guides the sections together to some extent while the crane does the lifting. Jasus Christ almighty the crane driver can’t see if the bolt holes are lining up. What a moron . Plonkers like you are everywhere. Cut people a little slack for Jasus sake. You might want a bit of slack some day yourself.
that happened to stumble across this video and while I was watching it I noticed you said while narrating the video that you purchased this Tower from a company in Mayfield Kentucky and Mayfield has unfortunately been all over the news lately because of the terrible tornadoes that went through there chilling over 100 people our prayers go out to them makes me wonder if it destroyed the building this Tower was manufactured in....
@@bj3431 stay strong 👍💪 I'm from Richmond, Kentucky and I've lived in Madison County all my life. With one exception. That's the 14 months of my life I lived in Florida but KY is my home. We've had our fair share of tornadoes here in Madison county too. I was just looking at you replying in my notifications today and it's so hard to believe that post has been a year ago already.!! My comment on the video was misspelled pretty bad.. I use talk text a lot that's why there's so many typos. I wish you all the best thanks for your response
"Etection"? Is this a new word you just made up? Is daytime power still 1K watts? The cell tower is going up where the old directional antenna was, isn't it?
Your anouncearater is mispronouncing the technical terms, they are "GUY wires," not "guide wires" the GUY wires are broken with insulators because the shaft of the tower is electrically energized. The crane did not pick up the "base section of the tower," it picked up the bottom four sections of the tower. Guy wires do not keep the tower up, the tower stands on it's own. What he calls a "lift" is really called a "pick." Below each stack of sections hangs a nose bag with the hardware to bolt that joint together. Ron W4BIN
Yep, That’s just me. I’ve always said Guide Wires, because they guide the towers stability. I realize what i’m saying. After numerous callouts i’m beginning to use guy wire. Thanks for noticing. I’ve designed and built 100’s of towers from 2,000 feet to 30 feet. It’s been a fun ride.
At AM band frequencies the wave length is so long that the whole tower is an active element, unlike the VHF frequencies FM and TV broadcast on. WXLW is on 950kHz so this tower will give slightly less than a 1/4 wavelength element. The old 258 foot tower was a full 1/4 wave. Unlike VHF transmitters AM range transmitters are very dependent on proper grounding and the ground elements affect the direction the signal propagates. It's like if you want the signal to follow the earths surface the ground elements buried in the ground around the tower encourage that, rather then letting the power go out into space. AM transmitters are often sited near rivers or tidal basins in order to get a better ground plane as they do not depend on line of sight signal transmission like higher frequencies. It is almost like they transmit through the earth as much as they do through the air.
Pete Stark, Hey Pete. Well that depends. The guy wire actually guides the Tower, right? It’s a Ron Crider thing. I have been using the words interchangeably for years. My pet peeve is “Hot Water Heater” No, no. It’s “Water Heater” you don’t heat the hot water, right? Have a great 4th if July.
Ideally I was told that you wanted a fraction of the wavelength such as 1/2 or 1/4. The old tower was close to 1/4 and the new one is more like 1/4.5. it seems like the engineers always are going a bit less than the 1/2 or 1/4 number. KFI built their new tower for 640KHz to near 1/2 but 768 feet was cut to 685 feet. It must be easier to match the transmitter to a slightly shorter antenna than longer.
