minelab x-terra pro vs nokta simplex ultra depth test on buried targets. both looking great starter machines that pack a punch for the more affordable budget..
Nice video. While the Simplex looked good, anyone that has used the Minelab for any time knows they do terribly on freshly buried targets. They lose every time, but in a live hunt in packed and pounded grounds, the Minelab shines.
True, not many people know about that, my simplex finds freshly buried targets really easy. but the AT pro finds the old deep stuff more easily in heavy EMI..
I bought an X-Terra, really like the concept, 3 different frequencies and adjustable recovery speed, great build quality, minelab tones and back lit display looks great. When I originally tested the machine I was disappointed with the depth, the default ground balance setting was miles off for UK soil. After ground balance it improved a lot. Still not as deep as my original Simplex, but that's to do with the coil size, 9" across vs 11" on the Simplex. Both machines have their place - how lucky are we with these machines at the £300 price point!
Acho que está equivocado, o simplex é VLF e o x-terra pro e v-flex. Aumentando o tamanho da bobina não irá fazer diferença na profundidade em um objeto como anel, moedas no x-terra, mas no simplex sim.
@@marcelomigueldasilva7444 X-Terra é VLF como todos. V-Flex é a tecnologia da Minelab que permitia de trocar frequência trocando a bobina (no velho X-terra). Hoje a V-Flex foi melhorada e permite de trocar frequência sem trocar de bobina. Portanto sim, aumentando o tamanho da bobina vai aumentar a profundidade, especialmente com a frequência de 5khz. È possível utilizar no X-terra qualquer bobina do equinox 600/800....6-11-15
@@SandBoy408 x-terra pró não é VLF e sim v-flex. As bobinas dos modelos minelab desde o x-terra 705 vem com circuito eletrônico nas bobinas. V-flex significa frequência mista entre analógico e digital. VLF é 100% analógico
@@marcelomigueldasilva7444 Você tem um pouco de confusão na cabeça: a tecnologia VLF é a tecnologia que está por trás de qualquer detector, menos obviamente os P.I que são a indução de pulso. Vai ver a ficha do Equinox e irá descobrir que é VLF como todos. A tecnologia V-flex é uma tecnologia própria da Minelab, como o MultiIQ para o equinox ou o FBS2 para o ctx. VLF significa simplesmente very low frequency, pois opera na faixa dos khz. Portanto o X-terra é um detector VLF com tecnologia V-flex. O Manticore é um detector VLF com tecnologia multiIQ+ , o excalibur 2 é um VLF com tecnologia BBS e por ai vai...o Sea Hunter 2 da Garret não é VLF porque é P.I
They sounded about the same to me, apart from their different audio responses. Is that ground really mild? Noticed you didn't do ground balances on either machine.
Not a clear winner in my book... read my post from yesterday. He fail to adjust the recovery speed to 2 or 3. Why was it left in 1 which allowed the iron to mask the signal?
@@ParkMetalDetecting and he also doesn't touch the grass with the X-Terra Pro but Does with the Simplex Ultra when he sweep's the detector over the Target's and you can see that nothing moves with the X-Terra Pro Sweep over the Target's AND the Simplex Ultra is closer to the ground and Yet it does touch and move the grass with the Ultra and isn't a Fair Test...... AND NOT A SUCCESSFUL WIN FOR THE SIMPLEX ULTRA BUT A SUCCESSFUL DEFEAT AND A BIASED TEST TOWARDS THE SIMPLEX ULTRA AND THE VIDEO SHOWS IT AND IT'S IS THE ONLY THING THAT ISN'T LYING HERE AND THE SIMPLEX ULTRA IS NOT A WINNER LIKE THAT HE CLAIMS IT TO BE..... AGAIN PLEASE DON'T LET HIM FOOL YOU.... AND YOU CAN SEE IT and needs Someone else that isn't getting paid to promote the Simplex Ultra.........
Seen simplex in action my mate had it totally rubbish I even tried it my salf let my mate use my 800 and he sold the simplex next day lol and he's now got the new minelab x-terra Pro well better made and tones much more clear and you can here the iron better so you don't keep digging crap like you do with the simplex lol tried the x-terra myself and its bit like using a equinox but on a smaller scale hope that helps you decide better
Not a clear winner at all... ck my long post from yesterday! Biggest mistake was leaving the X-Terra in Recovery Speed 1 which is the slowest. It should of been also placed in 2 or better yet 3. As I belive there was iron nearby. Also at the end he ground balanced it over known metal? 😂
The X-Terra reminds me of how my Equinox responds to some deeper targets on my heavily mineralised/fertilised arable soil in Cornwall! It's bleddy frustrating I tell'ee.
confuse on the comparison...shouldn't the comparison be the Simplex BT (cost comparison wise?) vs the Ultra which is like 100 bucks more than that Pro?
Clearly nokta has made improvements on the simplex as comparisons with the old simplex favor the Xterra. Good job nokta! The only question now is how does the new simplex ultra compare in the wet salt water to the Xterra? If they can make it as quiet as the Xterra with the same depth it's a home run.
It is unlikely that Simplex will do as well on the beach as the X-terra is square wave driven and the simplex is sine wave driven. Square always gives better beach performance
The problem I Am having hundreds of hours on a Simplex on beaches and grass and the same on a Minelab 600 his depth here is misleading slightly when you actually use it you bump the ground Minelab hands down has always handled that better without falses , I just got the Xterra because my 600 is in for warranty I’m hitting stuff deeper and harder at beach and I’m wondering what’s the iron bias on these two machines ?
I will say that I don't like using the recovery speed of one on my Xterra as it will give you a lot of one way hits and bad tones for some reason. Using the middle recovery speed setting is by far the best performing setting on that detector in my experience.
They all say that. It's generally accepted that UK soil is so mild ground balance isn't needed. I'm not sure I agree with that but that's what most people roll with.
Sid , if like myself as the day gets harder on the arms, legs and back iffy signals are well left alone . From this test the nokta brand will stop me to investigate.
I've got a piece of really quiet pasture Sid hardly any mineralisation or iron with my 800 what sort of settings could you recommend mate as I'm struggling to find anything but the field next to it I've had hammereds etc?
I used the ultra on a old saxon/roman site and there was a lot of coke present, ultra gave a 15 tid on coke with a noticeable flutter in the audio, i was able to pick tiny targets at 15 that wasn’t coke out the area so can tell the difference… on the minelabs a tid of 1/2 is coke but not tells if good or bad…
I wonder why nobody ground balances the XTerra. After any change (Mode, Frequency, Recovery Speed) you need to ground balance for best performance. I like the XTerra Pro better. Nicer display and great depth and target ID in my bad soil.
@@toby000000 but it will help if he would have touched the grass and ground with the X-Terra Pro but he doesn't and Yet he does with the Simplex Ultra and looks like a great detector but at the end of the video, he was definitely using the X-Terra Pro and Was hitting the targets and started to fiddle with the X-Terra Pro button's to make it not sound good but for sure I will be getting a Minelab X-TERRA Pro and They have Now lowered the price of the Simplex + to be under the price of the X-Terra Pro and I have a Simplex + and I know what I paid for it and To Me that is a great sign of A of a better detector from Minelab and Notka Macro knows It. So they lowered the price to keep the sales of the Simplex good and have RU-vidrs promote the new Simplex Ultra as a better detector but re-watch the video and And the only time The X-Terra Pro touches Or even close to the ground is at the end of the video and it is sounding off on Every Target but he is also fooling with the X-Terra Pro button's All the time, but doesn't with the Simplex Ultra and the proof is in the video of the biased One Way of the Test Too promote the Simplex Ultra as a better detector but it's not and WHY would Notka Macro Product's lower the price of the Simplex+ . If it was a better detector and would of sold itself At the same exact price of $ 289. When I bought the + detector that It was before the X-Terra Pro Came Out and now it's the lowest price of $249. And the X-Terra Pro is $269.and that's great news for the beginners but to me that is a sure sign of weakness for Notka Macro And trying to get more Detectors sold on the cheapest price point of Detectors and people that don't show us the real truth that I caught him in his video of doing the biased test for the Simplex Ultra and the video is the only thing that isn't and will never lie to Anyone, but you have to go and watch the details and know that it's Works better to be close to the ground,when you find the target and then keep sweeping the ground to get more info from the detector and you can see that he is not close to the ground with the X-Terra Pro and he is in to promote the Simplex Ultra as a better detector but it's Not At All..... and Minelab X-TERRA Pro for the Win.........
@@carolrice2063 I was sharing my experience, not making any comment on the test. I don’t think there was any agenda TBH. Both are nice machines, but the simplex will be deeper because it has a bigger coil. You can’t argue with the laws of physics
@@toby000000 but If the test is done with a one sided favoritism and the video shows it to be a one sided and the video doesn't lie then Yes but when the coil is not even close to the ground and one coil is then that is not a Fair Test and can't be called that. Even with a bigger coil but at the end of the video he Hits all the Target's with the X-Terra Pro and the video shows that.... But you must be close to the ground to get a honest Test no matter what.....
Many thanks for your time in doing this test Sid. Very interesting. I've got a Simplex and it's always been good. Thinking of upgrading to either a Nox 9, Deus 2, or the Legend. Would appreciate your opinion Sid mate. Many thanks.
I'm in the same boat. I own a Simplex and Gold Kruzer already. Looking for something that will do Salt water wet sand too. It's between these 2, would include Quest V80 but not sure when it'll be avaliable in the States.
The legend is the best bang for your money, deus ii is good but im not as impressed since the last two updates have took a step backwards imo… im currently using the nox 900 as my main machine since having from January and i am absolutely loving it…. All the machines you mention are a great choice and very similar in overall performance but if money wasnt a point id pick 900…
@@englandshistory Many thanks Sid mate for replying, I value your opinion. Have they sorted out the build issues from the Nox 8?, coil lugs, water ingress?. If so, the Nox 9 seems to be the one.
@@hptcollete1957 the first thing you notice when taking 900 out the box is the build quality, its exactly how the 800 should of come out first time… not heard of any lugs going yet either
Coils have a lot to do with that. Nokta has put a better coil on stock then the Minelab. What is Nokta 11" round coil? The Minelab is 12×9 elliptical. I bet the Minelab with there 11" round would be a more fair test. But that's what they get stock for the price.
Most people won't have that coil if there starting out got to test with what it comes with, got to say the new LG30 is every bit as good if not better than the stock LG28 on the legend but good point 👍
I think the pro will still be a popular machine, just seems a little slow on recovery speed and capability of unmasking… but still only initial tests and more to be done
I have had both Q30 and original Simplex - sold the Q30 on, it didn't have the same detection depth. Still quite a nice machine & something a bit different, build quality very good.
But you are stuck with the single frequency of 15 MHz on the Simplex Ultra and the X-Terra Pro is a totally changeable single Frequencies Detector and it will open up the permission again.....5-10-15 And 8 MHz for the Beach, compared to the Simplex the X-Terra Pro has more possibilities.....
@@carolrice2063 when I run my Equinox in single frequency mode, I feel that 15 KHz is the best. It’s the most stable and has fewer problems with EMI. I’ve used the Ultra several times and it’s an impressive detector. I feel like I made a good choice
@@mreinhardt9686 And what is the sensitivity settings for the 800 and I have the X-Terra Pro and I have mine at 12 Sensitivity and I Did have the Simplex + and it couldn't handle any kind of EMI and totally dysfunctional when it's close enough to just hear it and I was told by Notka Macro to just do a frequency shift and that is a joke and I have went back to the place's that was giving me the most EMI Problem's using the Simplex and the X-Terra Pro just walked in and held it's head up and then got to work And I wasn't a fan of Minelab At first and I was using the Simplex and I then I went to the EMI park and I knew then that I was going to get a better detector and the X-Terra Pro wasn't out yet but the equinox series was on the radar to get but Now that I have the X-Terra Pro getting a Equinox is a back burner to get and the X-Terra Pro is a Top of the line Detector's that has a cheaper price and I love the X-Terra Pro ❤️....
@@mreinhardt9686 And the Simplex Ultra is only using the 15 MHz frequency and the X-Terra Pro you have a Great Single Choice of Frequencies 5-10-15 and Beach 8 and the Simplex is only using one and then when you get to a place that has a lot of EMI and it's dysfunctional and no detecting will happen but with the X-Terra Pro and the Many frequencies that It has that you can avoid it And change it up And what is the advantage that you think 🤔 That the Simplex Ultra is a better detector than the X-Terra Pro ????
Larger coil on the Simplex Ultra. Round DD coils are superior for raw depth. There may be a slight advantage in target seperation with the oval coils so many say but I am not convinced. Oval DD coils produce diminished results and are hiding that detectors capabilities. You have to put the Equinox 800 coil on it to be fair. One reviewer stated that a larger dedicated DD coil may be coming. I hope it is a 12" round DD.
For me the X-terra pro sounds so much better than the simplex. The simplex is just too stressful for me and it sounds like a pesky insect. I really enjoy using the X-terra Pro as my backup detector.
I personally do prefer the ultra… more responsive to targets and more stable TID… there both decent machines though. Great options for the entry level market
They have no more Updates for the Simplex + and it's on the Discontinued Detector List as of 2021 and I have recently went there to see if a update is available but To only Find out that's it's not a Valid Detector Anymore..... And I love the X-Terra Pro ❤️.....
Hello from Greece, I am a vanquish 540 owner and I want a waterproof metal detector in order to search in salt water beaches mostly but also in the parks and in the fields. I was looking to X-Terra Pro but I saw some videos about the jumping vdi numbers and poor performance in contrast to other metal detectors. About Simplex new generation metal detectors I do not know much. As I told you I have a vanquish 540 which is good detector with stable and reliable vdi numbers but it is not waterproof. I am very confused and I do not know what to buy X-Terra Pro or something out of the three new simplex series? My budget is 300€. Since I have noticed you have used them I would like your suggestion. I am waiting for your reply, thanks in advance.
I would go with the X-Terra Pro and it's a water 💧 proof detector and I have noticed that ALOT of people that are making Video's of the X-Terra Pro, have the sensitivity on the full sensitivity and the jumpy VDI is very much present but I don't know of any kind of detector that will work on the Full Sensitivity and Not be unstable and Jumpy VDI and when I was using the Simplex + I would have to be at 3 bars and anything higher it's the same exact thing as the X-Terra Pro is doing but NOW that I have the X-Terra Pro and I have mine set at 12 Sensitivity and I don't have the jumpy VDI until I get a Junk Target And it's a nice feature to have and I love it ❤️ the X-Terra Pro and I would take 10 more X-Terras than 1 Notka Macro Product's.....
I didnt like the xterra pro.. too erratic… the new gen simplex ultra is a good machine, im not sure about on salt water beaches though.. for a dedicated beach machine you may be about to get a used equinox 800 for just a little extra on budget, its worth saving up that little extra as 800 is a great beach machine
@@vambiros And Everyone that is trying to show and say that the Simplex Lineup is a better detector than the X-Terra Pro and I know that the X-Terra Pro is a little bit more powerful than the Simplex and I don't have to be at Full Sensitivity to get it to work and I'm at 12 Sensitivity and sometimes 15 and I still able to get Targets that are in the 6-10 inches deep range and I don't have to be able to Dig a hole to China Anyway and when I have a coin target it's right on and when I get a Junk Target it's Jumpy but also the Tone's of the coin's are loud and my trash to Coin Ratio is ALOT better with the X-Terra Pro compared to the Simplex + and I Had to dig everything just to get a idea of what it was but the X-Terra Pro I can get the idea just from the jumpy VDI if it's not a good target..... and I also have the Horseshoe Button On and All Tone's on the X-Terra Pro, and on the Simplex Ultra it's a Single Tone and it's not a added program but it's single tone program and then the X-Terra Pro it's additional information about the target and I use to have the Simplex +and then it's a 5 button push to get to it And a Single Tone And the X-Terra Pro it's a Single Button Push and it's also what you have chosen for the Tone settings, 5 tone And All Tone's And Depth Tone and then it's a broken signal Tone and the X-Terra Pro is a more versatile detector than the Simplex lineup and I love it and I'm still amazed by using it and the knowledge that it will be giving me...... Edit And the X-Terra Pro has multiple single Frequencies and the Simplex Ultra is a only A Single Frequency of 15 MHz and the X-Terra Pro is 5-8-10-15 and it's very easy to change it up and still be able to keep it in the park Settings and Or Field Setting but for the Beach settings you only have the 8 MHz and I have used the 8 MHz for Park and that's why it's a More than enough features that are capable of being the best Detector out there with the Single/Multiple Choice Frequencies Detector.......
Very interesting... my x terra performs so much better? I've up gunned to the 14" X 9" coiltek... this transforms it far more in every way... depth... sensitivity etc... compares well to my deus 2 !
@@MrJasonsprattAnd the X-Terra Pro was off the ground and not even close enough to the ground to touch the grass and he says it in the video. But every detector that I have used you need to be very close to the ground to find the target and the X-Terra Pro hit every target but If you keep watching the video and then you will see that he has the X-Terra Pro Way above the grass and called it struggling with the target but also you hear him saying that the Simplex Ultra needs to be touching the grass to get the same exact target but the X-Terra Pro got the Same Target above the grass but the video's Will NEVER LIE no matter how much you want the other Detectors to win......
💯 the simplex ultra banged them out with ease and I was expecting the xterra to perform extra well in this test then it struggled to get a lock on the target not really what I expected but the simplex omg that had no issues and its a prototype
Just ordered the MINELAB XTERRA PRO to use with my older Simplex and Qwest X10 Pro as the new Simplex Ultra balloon sounds would drive nuts :-) my guess is MINELAB will come out with a software upgrade to tweak up the sensitivity in the price war between MINELAB and Simplex
@@ParkMetalDetecting and If you watch he isn't hitting the grass with the X-Terra Pro but he is with the Simplex Ultra and it's not a Fair Test At All.... And you can definitely see that he doesn't and is favoring the Simplex Ultra with the BS test..... and not My opinion and the video shows that he didn't...
These kind of tests make me wonder say if the ultra came out first then the xt came out later I wonder who would show the better? We've all read posts about guy gets a new detector and goes back to a park that's so called "hunted out" and kills it. Hey look the deepest machine IMO is the sovereign GT if you can still find one, just saying.
I had the elite which was virtually same machine… great at depth especially on the beaches… but slow on the old separation though… both the above machines are ideal for beginners and my preference was the ultra out the two
Simplex all day long, I have an X-Terra and agree the numbers are all over the place tones good but numbers 👎👎 I also like the look of the Simplex and of course Nokta are a brilliant company who seem to care about there customers, think I might be selling an X-Terra 😂😂😂😂
Se você viesse na minha região e fizesse os mesmos teste, te garanto que seria totalmente diferente o resultado dos testes. É preciso passar para nós com teste do detector qual o nível de óxido de ferro no seu solo, pra termos uma ideia.
The X-Terra Pro has a one inch smaller coil thus giving the Nokta Simplex an unfair advantage. 12" x 9" coil vs an 11". The first detection stage circuitry in the X-TERRA PRO and Minelab metal detectors are already maxed out, the sensitivity adjustments are only for the final stages, which is why raising the sensitivity levels on the $1700 Manticore will only result in feedback.
PRO is too heavy for dry land. Can't they give us a land version? That said,volume at maximum and an inline limiter or a USB rechargable Fender wireless tone torqing wiggy (about $100.00 U.S.D.).
Isn't the new simplex ultra supposed to be getting new coils....or are they now keeping the existing simplex coils? I think the simplex won, but still lost on the sound.
both sounded crap TBH thanks for doing a comparison. Real targets matter✊ not freshly dug holes. A beach comparison also would be good. Just watched CALABASH DIGGER ADVENTURES , Totally different results.
