Xbox Just Made Gamepass Worse 

So like, you want us to pay a subscription for monthly content. Will you raise your prices? You provide anything? Will you make it worse?

No, thanks!

About discs... a lot more folks are not playing on a desktop pc but on a laptop, and laptops are now not coming with disc drives....

Don't know if you are aware of this, but in Gamepass Core are free to play games like among us in the 25 Games, so even less value

Overreaction

@@pupkevicius1 Having to pay to play online has already become a joke. Having to pay more for the same privilege is making ME the joke. It's not an overreaction.

@@mistersalesman you pay to watch tv shows and movies. you pay to listen to music. you dont want to pay to play games? it is an overraction since the prices are not even this high for the catalog they offer in XGP. 3x bigger catalog than in ps plus

I'm letting my PSN subscription expire in August, myself. None of these services or modern games really have my interest anymore. There are enough fun games on SNES/PS1/etc to keep me entertained for a lifetime, and I'm not subjected to the multitude of issues with modern gaming.

@LuFlame-os3bd I certainly advocate for people to spend their money as they see fit, and if you're having an enjoyable time on PC then good on you. For myself, I can't see that fixing things I feel are problems. Online-only, mtx-ridden, bug-infested games seem far too common these days, along with not actually owning your games, games being permanently in "early access" phases, spyware, and many other issues have simply driven me away from it all. I bought a copy of Secret of Evermore (SNES) last week, and I'm having a wonderful time playing through it again.

PSN requiring a monthly fee is what got me to start PC gaming back in the day lol

Ps3 psn had basically no social features. There's a reason it was free.

​@@AutismIsUnstoppable wdym

@@AutismIsUnstoppable If you're talking about party chat, no, that's not "why it was free". That's a simple backend matter to be solved in code. As evidence this isn't why it was free, the XBox 360 didn't party chat for a good long time, but it was charging that fee from the start. From Software's Chromehounds even had a unique mechanic that required a unit with an antenna array to be in range to enable voice chat, and you could get an advantage by destroying the enemy's communication unit. From Software simply killed off their online functionality in the game when MS brought in Party Chat, because it completely destroyed the balance of the game. Don't make up excuses for these fees. We don't need to rush to corporate defense.

You need the online service for matchmaking and anti-cheat. Ninety nine percent of the network traffic is peer-to-peer, my console talks to your console. It's always been a lie that they needed to charge for it.

^The way to gaming nibbana. I'm a fellow practioner and it works.

Sony sales is off the chain too and have a better catalog imo I got steam too but hmmm pc genres aren’t for me payed 2500$ 3 years ago for nothing unless I want to play old RPGs

My 6 year old copy of monster hunter world is a banger and since I last played it 6 years ago it seems brand new to me.

*Sony has left the chat

For food and shelter, or just games?

That’s the trick Slowly increasing that price One dollar or two every few years so no one bats an eye that they’re literally siphoning more money from you as the years go on. This should be illegal but unfortunately it isn’t We probably can’t stop it from happening but what people can do is save themselves Get out now

Have to??? No! I won't even go along with this proposal... Also I kicked MS to the curb even for OS already.... 🐧

In a few years? GP just raised the price for the 2nd time this year lol.

What sort of heresy are you spreading?

Oh, so you're going to tell us that not closing small studios that made award-winning games would solve the problem of not having small studios that make award-winning games. You'll _never_ be a corporate executive with _that_ mindset!

@@TheRogueWolf Isn't that exactly the problem

@@TheRogueWolfno one can stop me if i stop myself type shi

As much as I loved Tango Gameworks and Hi Fi Rush…they were not a successful studio in terms of financials. Every game they released (except Evil Within 1 and maybe Hi Fi Rush) was a flop…

All those Xbox stans though on how great and necessary this merger was though! And how it's not really a monopoly so nobody should've gotten in the way... etc etc ad infinitum.

People tried to tell them. And right before CoD drops, of course.

"We have no plans to increase the price for gamepass [for12wholemonths], no it'll be $15 for a long time" >_>

Yep. Microsoft has been hawking game pass at me for years at this point. I pay for online multiplayer and I'm thinking of cancelling that because I play online on PS5. My series x is my single player machine mostly.

I got to play 120 hours of persona 5 for $10, it was a pretty good deal.

Yes building a physical collection which serves as a store of value is a better deal than subscribing to a service just so you can be obligated to play games you arent willing to buy.

Unless you're buying physical copies you're not collecting anything

Fr, between Steam and PSN I have probably 70% of the games games pass offers, Gamespass it's only worth it if you are kid or someone with literally no game library, for ppl with decent libraries gamepass it's pointless.

"You will own nothing and you will be happy"

Paying more for less? Don't u get new games on game pass?

exactly MS games are pure trash any ways not even worth it for .99 cents a month they have pretty much ruined all their franchises any ways

@@cherryrook8684 The people who said that will have their time soon.

More for less?? It'd cost you over a £1000 to play the games you'd play /get with game pass.. All for about £200 a year..

Fitgirl for the win

Just because it isn't theft doesn't make it legal or morally right. If everyone follows your lead and it leads to the collapse of the industry your methods aren't good.

Great rebutal. Did chatgpt write that for you?

@@jiggerypokery2962when companies with over billions are involved, their morals are probably out the window first. So honestly, you shouldn’t care. Boohoo the rich companies are losing money 😭

@@justadood6329 I'm not worried about rich companies money. I'm worried about games getting made that I derive value from.

Everything I've played online recently has been stuff like Smite or Warframe that I don't even need PS+ for... it's been years since I had a subscription.

​@@Paradox-es3blI never buyed an online game for console so even on free weeks with multiplayer I dont have games to test it. I would feel like a looser paying for multi access to game that I bought. Multi is on pc only.

There is XDefiant which you don't even need online to play and I'd rather just have physical media games

same here

Or go PC and never pay to go online.

Yar matey seems like we have to sail the seven seas

True, the only thing they did right in the past decade IS game pass. Just about everything else has been shite

DRMbox One

People often blame Don Mattrick, and he has indeed completely tanked Xbox's reputation with the Xbox One reveal, but it's been a crappy console in the decade since. Phil Spencer is NOT the savior people thought he was.

They went downhill since the kinect!!

If you buy digital, you don't even remotely own them, anyway. They can just pull your license. Technically, I'm pretty sure a disc only gives you the license, too, and they can do a recall like they did for Too Human... but if you don't send in the disc for them to destroy... hey, I think Too Human still works on my 360 lol. (I'm not the one who bought it. I don't have the disc. But last I knew, my father's ex's son still had a working disc. The game is still playable, since it wasn't "online-only" I think.)

@@Paradox-es3bl Its called GOG and where i buy my games. id pay that little more they cost for me to dl the installer and own tha game.

Everything is going digital now, physical disc doesn't even help with owning it, just the a box with a picture of the game. Need better ways to preserve games digitally like emulation

@@Paradox-es3bl I haven't lost one digital game in my steam library in 20 years.

So starting in October is the greatest 3 months in GP history - I dunno man, gamer IQ has to be at an all time low. COD, Indiana Jones, Stalker 2, Avowed = $280 GP Ultimate through Oct 2025 = $240 The idiocy is mind boggling, even if Xbox releases no games on GP for the 1st 9months of 2025, line absolutely nothing you're still winning.

We pay for the right to play 800+ games.. Digital/physical= you pay for the right to play the game. You dont own it.

with paying for games without game pass. you still dont own tham. but with paying for the game you get a lifetime license to a game. its still better but you still not own any of your games.

More naivety then idiocy, after my experience with stadia shutdown. Ain’t ever going to use game streaming ever again

yep and the price increase isn't even that bad saying it is double is a stretch at best, and an outright lie at worst (I'm personally leaning towards "deceptive and misleading") meanwhile, when Sony not only increased the price of PS+ by quite a bit more, but also increased the price of the consoles, the media was almost silent oh, and that doesn't even get into how Xbox is actually adding value for the price hike, something PS+ utterly failed at

It already wasnt at its initial price. Xbox just raised gamepass prices last year. This is yet another price increase.

so are grown men with anime avatars.

@@5GTrevorno, more people that didn’t expect this would happen

But if you buy the movie you watch it over and over again or what?

@@dusermiginte4647 That's why DVD and blu-ray sales continue to nosedive.

@@Cantimule yep.. Blockbusters vs Netflix.

And PC gamers wonder why they have to port beg

@@Mark-sd4hv As long as the console players keep their cheeks lubed for the corpos, PC gamers will be fine.

@MrSpiritstealer that vision is fine, they couldn't make ground. I meant their vision for games. I don't know where gamepass is going. I didn't even play the Tango game but it ticked all of their stated goals and they still shuttered it while keeping The Initiative and 343 around that have been, from a management standpoint, a shitshow. That is a lack of vision to me as a consumer.

@@Fabierien Don't forget Bethesda and their newest hit, Emptyfield: Loading Screen Edition. I think Xbox lives in a reverse dimension, where they bank on the worst games, while immediately discarding the best. Or maybe its like Adam Sandler and his friends, where the strat is, who cares how good the movies are, just include the same 5 people in every movie and consumers will still give them money and they can share it amongst each other, so there's no reason to put forth any effort. Phil Spencer is apparently close to Bonnie Ross and Todd Howard, which is why despite both of them heading studios that make games that are colossal failures, he keeps them around, but fired Tango for giving them their one and only banger. Head of Tango must not have been close enough to Phil Spencer to be worth keeping in their little money circle.

@bradams1854 The decisions definitely don't make sense from the outside and that's bad messaging. Especially not when they go do a townhall the next day and say they need more projects like the one they just shut down.

You're not thinking like a stock holder! / sarcasm Greedflation is all the rage if you have an ROI goal to hit🙄

Can also benefit from not having to replace poorly designed and tested peripherals every 6 months-year.

Busy switching over to pc too Great discounts from epic games and free games from epic and the high seas Just beats console nonsense and stick drift stuff I'm so sad I was a sony fool 😂

No, no, you misunderstood. It's the consumers' fault that their business model is unprofitable.

Not really. Just look for the word "Nintendo" and you get top tier games. If you haven't figured that out yet, that's a you problem

@@Mark-sd4hv Because the 2-3 single player games a year that Nintendo drops should be all anybody ever needs right? Like, I enjoy Nintendo as much as the next guy, but being single player, generally level/story driven games, they have no replay value, so unless you only have 100 hours in an entire year to play video games, Nintendo alone isn't gonna last you.

Nice grammar

Yes, I refuse to pay an extra $2 a month, I’m much happier paying 30-120 for every game I buy from here on out

@@SubiKinubishocker people rather own games instead of subscribing to a service for it

@@C2190 nobody tell him you don't own anything if its digitally downloaded...they can just turn it off

Yeah i only use it to play old games but i dont need them 🤷‍♂️ they aint getting my money

What most people do on pc is buy the odd game or two, and then when the summer/winter sale comes round- spend a tonne on great games. It's a shame you just missed a steam summer sale. They run loads of smaller sales all year round though. Imo, pc game pass still sucks- my reasoning is the games rotating off mid playthrough means you have to buy the game anyway... so why not just buy the game on a decent sale- I end up getting more out of it :)

Don't buy the PC pass; The MSoft store is terrible, you get next to nothing for your money... and that's if the game even downloads correctly and doesn't fail at 100%. The MSoft store uses the winupdate framework to distribute it's games and it shows: It was never designed for downloading games.

Between GOG and Steam sales, bundle sites like humble bundle and giveaways, its pretty easy to play frugal on PC.

It's a waste of money. Like others have said, steam sales, gog and humble bundle are going to be cheaper in the long run.

​@@buddybleeyesis the summer sale still the steepest discounts? I feel like you can find similar deals on steam about every month or two now, just won't be the ENTIRE platform, or your seasonal sitewide sales are about every 3 months.

Wise choice.

Good luck with hackers lmao

@@Ultecponot a big deal with most modern titles. Console had the same issue with older titles no longer supported like on pc

Welcome to not owning your games. With consoles (except Xbox) at least you own your games, you can play them without internet AND you can resell them.

@@melonelon7590wise choice - Steam Deck is cool but not for playing on a big screen unless you're a fan of 💩 resolution.

well ps+switch+pc = best combo

@@pjisleta1994not even. 90% of PS games are on pc. So it’s more like PC+Switch which is the best combo

@@bandanna2388 well true thou but u have to wait for 2 to 3 or even 4 years if u want to play ps games.... gotta ask nixxes devs for that

LOL, who pays 120, and why? To get the game a couple of days early? Those are certified suckers.

The old way. You get to own the games you actually like, and not play the 95% garbage that nobody wants anyway.

Or the internet is taken down during international conflict...

you cant pirate on xbox one or pirate an xbox one or xbox whatever these days

​@@joshallen128lol, imagine being a console pleb

Also, we are blessed by GOG

@@aznhomig hey you owned nothing when you are born you'll leave with nothing when you pass.

@@joshallen128 cope harder

Also, with consoles (except Xbox) you have true 100% unlimited ownership of your games. It's another tradeoff. I would love to pass on PC but I can't renounce my game ownership.

thats your opinion. its $12 and there is enough to be worth it for many.

@5GTrevor That not opinion. That fact. There is nothing worth playing on PC game pass except for maybe Diablo 4.

You right, if they were putting out bangers once every 3 months it would be worth it. Now it’s gonna be cheaper to just buy Doom and Gears

They actually got a fkton of good games but I'm just not motivated to play them

@@Aggrofool I know, often I see something interesting that I plan to play down the line and before I do, they pull it from Game Pass.

Hadn't looked at console title prices in a while, when the hell did we start hitting R1500+?

240 dollars per year is less than my food per month cost. People bi**h about anything. I mean this was a known thing it would happen... In the Xbox community. Plus who wouldn't see it coming? Do people believe sub cost on any platform stays the same? Not defending I wish everything was at same original price or free but we don't live that type of world. People QQ and still sub on Netflix, Spotify, youtube, onlyfans, twitch.. donates...

​@@tkraft1442People are not smart. Why do I need to pay Sony or Microsoft a monthly revenue for essentially doing nothing? I just buy my own games and I might even resell them when I'm finished/if I don't like them.

Since free-to-try demos are rare, deciding whether to buy or not now comes down to watching streamers play the game for enough hours to see the reality versus the launch hype.

Agree 100% with you.

🤡🤡

it's for a year, and it looks like UK if i was paying attention correctly

Yeah we have gone from 14.99 to 19.99

If you want the same features it's from 9,99 to 19,99 so that's as good as double..

There have been two (or more) price hikes, in case you missed it. The cost went from 9.99 to 19.99 for the same exact stuff. Videogame prices went from $60 in 2005 to 70 dollars today, that's an 11.5% increase in around 20 years, while game pass increased by 100% in just a few years.

I did a test and used one 4 or 5 months after I bought

rubbish but i bet 100% u were a subscriber to it

@@frankkent5567 how was it ever rubbish lol? Even with this minor price increase, it’s still incredible value. This service is amazing for people who have just gotten into gaming or people who are completionists and want to play as many games as possible. Saying gamepass was rubbish from the beginning doesn’t sound like a well informed opinion at all and more like a fanboy riding the “Xbox bad” bandwagon to sound cool.

​@@christonchev9762no he isnt, he is a super poony with zero clues of what he is talking about.

That's why I burn my media to m discs and store in protective cases ;)

only if you have ultimate.

As someone who has used it for 4 years I strongly disagree.

@@Strait7050 You're opinion is subjective, and so is mine, because everyone has different tastes. I felt like it is trash, but you and many other I'm sure, think it's great. I wouldn't pay for Gamepass unless it was $5 a month.

@@mwdavis77 Ik I'm just saying

Lol, Ive been subbing to Game Pass since launch and youre lying..

@@dusermiginte4647 nope. I think it’s trash, it’s subjective opinion.

like renting from redbox or blockbuster or gamefly

I mean, they TRIED to convince everyone it was a no brainer, good deal.

Is that why they went from owning 22 game studios to 15 game studios and lost 1/3 company value in a year... Oh no, thats sony.. 😂

That has nothing to do with Nepotism.

You're right, it's jewish

@@TheSolMike Spoiled people put into positions where their mistakes cost the company egregious amounts of money which they don't know how to come back from because they have no idea how to earn it back aside from passing the bill onto others. Sure sounds like the fallout of nepotism to me.

​What mistakes?

I mean, to be fair, you shouldn't be listening to the Sony boss on this matter cause of the conflct of interest and the simple fact that it was obvious gamepass was going to only go net positive on what were essentially the tranches of budget games.

Except it is sustainable lol. Last we heard, GamePass had 25 million subs, at $15 a month, they are coming out to $375 million per month. Obviously, different tiers, different income, so give or take a few million on the outcome. If you can't sustain a 100 game catalogue with $300 million per month, while your games last on average 3-6 months, there is a logistics problem, not a money problem. Sony doesn't like it because in order to be comparable they would have to offer their games as day 1 releases on their service - THAT is the part that isn't sustainable to them since their player base is large enough to spend $200m making a new God of War and come out ahead on Day 1 in revenue. It's not hard to gather some facts before looking like a moron.

@@WeinerTouchyfinally, someone with isn’t jumping on the band wagon and using common sense when talking about Xbox. I salute you.

@@WeinerTouchy "It's not hard to gather some facts before looking like a moron." Hmm, $300 Million a year at the highest tier you say? About that - 5 second lookup from a gamespot article discussing the Xbox leaks. Game Pass "Expected Partner Ask" (via NextGenPlayer) Lego Star Wars -- $35 million Dying Light 2 -- $50 million Red Dead Redemption II -- $5 million/ month Dragon Ball: The Breakers -- $20 million Just Dance -- $5 million Let's Sing Abba - $5 million Return to Monkey Island -- $5 million Wreckfest 2 -- $10 million-$14 million Baldur's Gate 3 -- $5 million Gotham Knights -- $50 million Assassin's Creed Mirage -- $100 million Suicide Squad -- $250 million Star Wars Jedi: Survivor -- $300 million Mortal Kombat 1 -- $250 million GTA V -- $12 million-$15 million/month "They seem to be only expectations of what a deal might cost from Microsoft's perspective. And even beyond payments, there would surely be a range of other factors at play for a company when deciding whether or not to launch their new game into Game Pass. With those caveats out of the way, the document mentions what's described as the "expected partner ask" for a range of games in 2022 and early 2023, as well as games already released. The spreadsheet also included columns for "likely to close" and "wow factor." For GTA V, Microsoft was expecting Take-Two to ask for $12 million-$15 million per month. The game has been added and removed from Game Pass multiple times over the years, and it's back right now. For other games, only a single payment was listed, like $250 million for Suicide Squad, $300 million for Star Wars Jedi: Survivor, and $250 million for Mortal Kombat 1 to come to Game Pass at launch. Assassin's Creed Rift, the codename for Mirage, was listed as $100 million to get it on Game Pass for release. The document also mentions a new-generation version of Red Dead Redemption II, with Microsoft expecting Take-Two to ask for $5 million per month to get it as a day-and-date title for Game Pass. Rockstar has not announced a new version of Red Dead Redemption II. Baldur's Gate 3, from Larian Studios, is also listed on the document at $5 million. Larian co-founder Swen Vincke seemingly reacted with bewilderment to this news, posting on Twitter/X, "I'd love to meet that analyst."

@LeMicronaut I never said I "listened" to tbe Sony boss on it? I just pointed out how Phil Spencer was full of it and gave context on why he claimed it was sustainable. So no you weren't being fair in your "to be fair"