Thanks for tipping me off to the speed diff between 1 and 2 tb card. Totally accurate as far as I’ve been able to tell. Super glad I went for the bigger, faster one!
I’m ok with my XSS 364GB internal storage but I don’t play Warzone, Apex and Fortnite on console. Got FH4, Halo Infinite, Destiny 2, FIFA 20, World of tanks and other 6 games plus couple apps. Xbox smart delivery is doing great job 👍 I’m gonna be good with 512GB expansion card for couple extra game pass titles downloaded for peace of mind 😉 Now you made me think because storage cards are expensive and with speed gains in might be better to get bigger card.
there is a difference between Gbps and GBps just so you know. 8 Gigabits = 1 gigabyte which means that 1.45 gigabits per second = 181.25 megabytes per second or .18125 gigabytes per second. Even if the interface for the expansion card is pcie 4.0 you are still getting worse raw read and write speeds then a pc gen 3.0 ssd with a raw 3500 megabytes per second read speed and 3000 megabyte write speed.
This is very interesting. Those copy speeds are still very bad for pcie gen 4 because those copy speeds are gbps not GBps. However, you probably won't see a difference in game performance since the read speed is what matters when they finally use direct storage to pull data from the drive directly into memory.
The 1TB card also does 6.5Gbps transfer speeds. I have one and have tried it out. Just transfered Watch Dogs Legion and it was hitting consistently from 6.28-6.32 Gbps.
As you have said, the new cards have new drivers that allow those transfers. The first ones memory cards have the limitation of reaching 2.5 Gbps and limited by heating issues. I repeat, this is a matter of new controller chips in the new production lines of these cards.
I have 1tb and I am only getting 1.41gbps which is very disappointing. Its manufacturing date is 05/2021. Does anyone know if I can get warranty claim from Seagate due to slow speed?
1.5 gigabits per second, not gigabytes per second (which would be 8x faster). In other words, It’s slow af. Thanks for pointing this out. I thought there was an issue with my card.
It’s crazy that 12 months ago if I transferred something and it took 30 mins I’d be doing a lap of ho our round the house now we’re talking about the difference between 30 secs and 1 mins 30 lol
Wow. I wasn't aware of that. Could you maybe make some tests if it would further improve loading times in games when you run them from the new 2TB drive?
Sry to inform you that you have an error in your video. It is not gigabyte per second (GBps/GiBps) it is gigabit per second (Gbps). So the 2TB card actually matches the write speed of the internal storage. The 1TB cards seem to have a reduced write speed. Maybe because the write-speed of the external medium is just not important for the console. Quick resume only uses the internal storage and only there the write speed is important. What is important for games is the read speed and that is more or less the same speed for all drives. E.g. that is why the PS5 has not that great write speeds (because it is just unimportant, is must only be as fast as the download-speed limits it) but a great read speed. Sony never planned for a quickresume feature so they just didn't need such a high write speed. The 6000 Gbps you see are about 750-800MB/s which is expected because both storage solutions (the internal and external) use the same bus to read and write the data and you loose a bit by switching between the modes. But I would also guess that copying files from one drive to another is not that optimized in the OS that it will use the full potential. It is more or less fast enough (for a "admin"-task) and so it doesn't need any further optimization.
HI i noticed the 2tb is hard to find in some places , thanks for the videdo will have to save my money for the 2tb version , there about $500 in UK prices
Hi.what is the date of manufacturing of your 1tb ssd? (It can be found on a white lable Oon bottom of ssd box as "DOM") My ssd's dom is 11/2021 btt it's writing speed is 1.4 GBps
Have you checked how game downloads fare on either scenerio when you have a game running? I was going to download Rogue Company, a 15gb game on my Series S while I had two games in Quick Resume and it said it would take an hour, which is ridiculous. I took one game out of Quick Resume and the speed hardly went up at all. I took both games off Quick Resume and then it said 6 mins to download. I don't really view this as a big deal, it's just interesting. My PS5 downloads games at almost the same speed regardless of what I'm doing. Granted, there's no Quick Resume, but there is the Switcher thing with your apps, and I often have Netflix or Hulu running in the background from when I was last using it on my PlayStation
I have Netflix or Hulu open while running a game, if I didn't articulate well enough that that was implied. It'll make the download speed slightly slower. Like a 10 mins download will suddenly take 20 mins, but nothing like on the Series S
I just picked up the 1tb expansion drive and mine is getting 5.5-6.5Gbps while transferring Sea of Thieves from the internal ssd to the 1tb expansion card. Maybe your 1tb is slower cause it's a first run,or maybe it was the game itself as I saw another video of the 1tb slowing down to 1.5Gbps on a Particular game,while the 2nd game he transferred was transferring at 6.6Gbps as well.
@@josepha5146 Lack of third party choices, way too overpriced, you can get better speeds for the less than what Xbox charge you. Yes, they’re very easy to store but that’s not why they dropped the ball.
The Xbox internal storage speed is 2.4 GBs. 1.5 Gbs = 187.5 MBs 6.2 Gbs = 812.5 MBs It's surprising how slow these ssds are for the price. The 1 tb has to be faulty since some HDD drives are on par with that transfer speed. You can buy a kingston m.2 drive right now off Amazon that is 1 TB and has a read speed of 2000 MBs and a write of 1600 MBs for only $90. You can buy a brand new Seagate hdd drive 4 tb 180 MBs read 180 write for $65.
@@edgaredge3971 hdd suffer big time with access speeds. Milliseconds vs nanoseconds. Not defending this expansion card, it’s slow af, but there is more to nand storage besides raw throughput
@@brkbtjunkie I agree. A lot of factors come into play tho 3rd gen m.2 have came way down in price even for the best ones on the market. Even tho some say they can handle 3.2 GBs it only can sustain those speeds up to a certain capacity. Game consoles really don't need a high capacity unless you plan on transfering games off and on the storage device constantly. The transfer capacity of the Samsung 1tb 970 evo plus would put those Xbox expansion cards to shame on transfer capacity for the speed advertised while only being $107. More cash and better storage controllers. As much as I am an Xbox fan it's a shame they didn't just leave a spot on the series x that you could just install an gen 3 m.2 drive like how you can install a gen 4 m.2 on the ps5. I love Xbox but they have a bad habit of always putting out storage expansion options that you have to buy from them for over priced. I believe the og xbox 360 had one and the Xbox 360 slim had an internal one. I'm aware I don't know everything to do with storage so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'm sure I've used the wrong terms or something in this lol.
I bought a 1TB expansion card as soon as they were originally released and was on the fence about upgrading to the 2TB but now that I've found out that the new cards have newer better controllers and are over 4 times faster transfer speeds than the original ones I'm now sold thanks for the video and information.
I am on the same boat as you. I just picked mines up from target using price match cuz they’re currently $360 and brought it down to $280. Now seeing that 6.5GB transfer speeds I was like holy cow!!! This is wayyy faster and I was genuine shocked and any second thoughts of “Do I really need a 2tb SSD” went out the window. Edit: I do have the 1TB Seagate SSD expansion card. But the speeds are definitely faster in the newer 2TB SSD
It's gigabits per second not bytes so you have to devide the number by 8 actually the cfexpress 2.0 connection supports up to 4GB/s (bytes) means 32gbps and these two cards are far from the maximum theorical data movement speed
@@Borex2 doesn't effect games 2tb version isn't a bad value but I guess if you don't need a 2tb storage it doesn't make any difference in load times , ... It's Just better if you move a lot of files
I just got the 2tb so I'm transferring everything off my 1tb to the internal the speeds are pretty good. From my 1tb to internal I get 3.95-4.05Gbps from internal to 2tb I get 6.38Gbs it was much easier and faster this way then re-downloading the games. I just wish there were 2 expansion card ports. For £377 it was worth the price. Peace!
Interesting, I just got back from Best Buy with a brand new 2TB version and I averaged about 3.45 Gbps going from internal (Series X) to 2TB drive. Still pretty damn fast but I wonder why it's half the speed of yours. Ah well, I notice absolutely no difference between internal and external when actually playing games or doing quick resume so it doesn't matter too much.
@@frogboyx1Gamingh my god please stop!! I thought the same! I would jump for joy!!!! You think its possible to kickstart it? Maybe even a 4 TB version?
Also if you are like me and was thinking of buying an adapter and 2230 ssd,I wouldn't even bother with that plan.eveeyone online are asking outrageous prices for the ssd,to the point that you can find the xbox ssd at much cheaper prices.
It also depends how much storage is available and how much data you transfer at once, if you do 20 or 30gb it goes fast at about 5.5-6.5 Gbps! But try a game like CoD cold war that is around 200gb or more than it goes straight down to 1.5 Gbps Max! It depends on luck in the way how it handles the card and how hot the cards get they heat up very fast, point 2 is the big factor and that's how big is the data package because the cards are getting to hot and than the Xbox protects them from overheating! 👍👊
Larger SSDs are faster in general. You wouldn't even need a test to know this would happen. Nothing to do with new controllers or manufacturing dates. Lots of misinformation in the comments not knowing some basics about SSDs.
It looks like WD's 1tb expansion card is faster than seagate's 1tb card because I just tested mine and got an average speed of 5.5Gb/s. (FYI the only card I tested was the wd 1tb because I don't have the wd 2tb card.)
It's not just that but with SSD the more free space they have to work with the faster they go thats why when you fill up a SSD to near compacity it slows down compared to a SSD with only 30% utilization
@@frogboyx1Gaming I’ve just ordered a 1TB I will perform a speed test as you did to see if newer Ones have faster speeds and I will also do a teardown to confirm if it’s using a different Controller. If i recall it’s designed to match the internal speeds but that 2tb Card is performing faster. It is possible that Microsoft wasn’t telling the full story when it comes to speed. High end PCIE gen 4 drives normally run at 7000mb/s and series X/S is indeed using gen 4. And I remember the Analysis to all that Software they was using to boost SSD speeds and adding up all the data etc brought the SSD speed up to 13GB/s when using the software. And they are trying to keep that internal Storage Pretty cool so I think there is something going on here
@@Borex2 it does indeed Transfer Data At 7000+mb/s However with all SSD’s. Transfer Speeds can Indeed slow down With A lot of data Stored. Which has Happened to me Now transfer speeds is around 4000+ Mb/s still very Fast.
How do they sustain those speeds for so long, how big is the d ram cache or does it somehow just not use one at those speeds and pulls just from the mass storage. Like don’t it have to have a map of where everything is on the drive to pick it up and transfer it? I’m so confused. Those speeds are crazy.
To save even more money...take advantage of the Microsoft rewards program...just by doing the daily games and incurring points I bought the 1tb card on Microsoft points....200k equals to $200 dollars...now I am going to save towards the 2tb card
It’s because the older/release SSD’s was using a “customised Controller to support PCIE 4” which was a PCIE 3 originally if you looked up the controller itself on the Internet it’s spec was pcie 3.0. Now it appears they are using true gen 4 controllers in newer models of both expansion cards and internal SSD. And think about it Microsoft has got softwares and API’s working to boost SSD speeds if you add up the total amount it turns out the drives can run at 13gb/s. If using said software and compression etc. which means It is faster than the ps5 SSD. But look at gta 5 loading time no SSD is faster than the series X it is literally Instantly loaded I’m not sure if there is something else going on with the console version but ps5 doesn’t load gta 5 like the series X does, and they are taking cooling very seriously on the SSD as you can see from teardowns they are using copper and the entire metal frame as a HeatSink. There is more going on than Microsoft is telling us.
Has anyone done a speed test of this 2TB version vs the internal Series X...from an actual game load time perspective???? Curious to see the results of that!
What i like on the SeX/ SS Box is the fact, you can actually connect 2 8TB HDDs simultaneously!! 1 TB internal SSD is too small, we all can agree on that. The 1 TB external storage is just prolonging the invatable for some months. 2 TB is a beginning max. A 4 TB external storage would be great. 8 TB would be killer!! But i would be satisfied with 4 TB! You think they do one?😊
@@frogboyx1Gaming I did not hear anything about it. You have a source? As i know at the end of 2021 (beginning of 2022?) the 2 TB launched for ~479€. Now its ~379€. The problem is how many people are willing to buy it? 4TB would be about 800€/$ if not 1000€/$ or more. As time goes by Storage goes down in price rapidly even despite inflation. In this area we are seeing a DEFLATION currently. Like i said, the question is how many people are willing to pay 800- 1000 bucks on a giant memory card (4TB) if you want to call it like that? Because if everyone waits till price goes down it won't make them any (sufficiant) money.
Typical. I purchased the 1 TB when it first came out for the x box series x. And just purchased another 1 TB last week. The 2TB seems quicker by a long stretch. The problem with the x box series x ssd is you have no choice to shop around. You are stuck with Segate and that is it. And it’s quite expensive ssd per 1 TB. It’s a very good ssd. I can swap that with the 2 x box series x consoles I own. But there should be other company’s making the ssd for x box. I have a ps5 and have a 2Tb ADATA XPG s70 BLADE which is cheaper than 2 TB ssd for x box series x.
its about $100 over priced if it ws $199 for the 2 tb Im sure alot more people would be happy to buy it but almost the same price of the xbox makes it greed.
Its an amazing result, but unless it comes with a 200$ hooker im not even considering spending 400$ on just a memory card, no matter how great it is. This is microsoft, i expect affordable quality. This is basically saying its okay to raise the price for a console up to pc price, not gonna happen. For 900$ per console at that point im better off spending an extra couple hundred bying a gaming pc thats just as fast and includes more storage. Rule nr 1 in life is to first look at cost, than the product, otherwise where does it end? At least thats my opinion..
Not sure how I missed this video. Possibly because I bought a 1 TB just about a month after the console release. A 2 TB just wasn’t in the budget. And this would’ve pissed me off. Making us pay $220, then coming out with a 2 TB card that runs at 6 Gbps! 😠
curb your expectations of what yours will perform like,as memory manufacturers change components all the time which usually results in slower memory. The main reason the 1tb is only getting 1.4Gbps is most likely a weaker and slower memory controller, heat,and the fact that it only has a 7gb dram cache!! I have a 1tb USB 3.1 type c sandisk extreme ver 2 ssd with mine and it gets 2.5Gbps through usb until it hits 11GB of data then it will suddenly drop down to 800Mbps-1.4Gbps,and that's because of the Dram cache has been used up. But this usb ssd of mine vs that 1tb xbox ssd proves that Microsoft is Intentionally software locking us out of playing games from USB devices,Rather then speed being the issue. Most likely the 2tb xbox ssd is so much faster because Seagate had time to improve the design with better components.BUT I'll bet ya that in a few months time newer manufactured 2tb xbox ssds will become slower as costs are cut.
2TB is only worth buying, i have Kingston SX2000 1TB External SSD for 160$ transfer speed 2.8Gbps, but its not consistent everytime. Thanks for the video man
Hi brother great video I test the speed for the 1TB expansion card and the speed was good like 6Gbps I like it and I make and post a little video your the brother brother I like your videos 👍🏻
Just to let you know...it's gigabits per second and not gigabytes. It's fast, but still not gigabytes...divide the gigabits by 8 to get it is mega and gigabytes.
@@frogboyx1Gaming it also depends how much storage is available and how much data you transfer at once, if you do 20 or 30gb it goes fast at about 5.5-6.5 Gbps! But try a game like CoD cold war that is around 200gb or more than it goes straight down to 1.5 Gbps Max! It depends on luck in the way how it handles the card and how hot the cards get they heat up very fast, point 2 is the big factor and that's how big is the data package because the cards are getting to hot and than the Xbox protects them from overheating! 👍👊
Honestly I think it was because the card I was using was the one I got when the series x launched because my second 1tb card speeds are exactly the same at 6.5.
I’ve had as high as 3.0 Gbps transfer rates stated, but as it’s transferring, the visual number doesn’t correlate to the actual being transferred. At the speed stated, a 3 Gbps rate on a game that’s 30 GB should take 10 seconds. Yet it takes up to 5 minutes sometimes. I’m so tired of moving games back and forth. I also have a 4TB external drive for all older generation games, but even that’s getting full.
That's because GbPS isn't the same as GBPS. the lowercase 'b' stands for bits, and there are 8 bits per byte. Just like how your internet speed is measure in megabits not megabytes.
hmmm I just used my 1tb expansion card to transfer jedi fallen order (50gb game optimized for X) and I was getting speeds from 5 to 6.5 gbps as well, unless I got the 2tb card and noticed it jumped up to 12 gbps...might just be a bit of luck as well as other factors like which games you're moving , how much space is on each drive etc
My 2nd 1tb card that I got a few months ago has the 6.5 speeds as well. The card in this video was the one I bought at launch so maybe that has something to do with it.
@frogboyx1Gaming did you notice any burn effect on yours? Mine on the metal bit looks stained and looks like a burn effect. Apparently some others have it, who knows if it's a issue or not because it is still in one piece lol
Thanks for the info on this. A lot of things the box and adverts don’t tell you. Can finally have the chance to get a Series X again in NZ before the scalpers. The 2TB looks like the way to go although it costs the same as a Series X console itself here. 🙃 Yikes.
@@frogboyx1Gaming so the speeds reflected here aren't what I should expect with a normal 1tb? I've had my series x since launch day but I'm getting sick of having to re-download my son's games and shit so thinking about getting the 1tb finally but if it's that slow I'll just keep on doing what I'm doing haha. $400 isn't worth it to me for the 2tb
@@jrpeegy8294 please pay attention to my sarcastic lol at the end of my comment bro those rifts could have been achieved on a Samsung smart fridge I’m well aware lol
Checked it on my own today. On first try with my Halo SX I got the same results as in the video: 1,4 for 1TB card (from release) and 6,3 for 2 TB But after testing it in another SX (normal one from Day one) both cards had 6,3. So overall I would say its a big spread but no major changes at all.
They must have installed better controllers on the newer cards as I got my 1TB drive last week and it is getting upto 6.22Gbps write speeds. What's interesting is for the drives to get 6.22 write speeds, the internal drive is able to read data at that speed as well which is faster than the PS5 internal drives 5.5Gbps and almost 3.8Gbps faster that the advertised speed of 2.4Gbps MS gave about these drives.
It says Gbps so it's bites, Gbs would be bits. Either way the new cards are more efficient at read and write speeds. I do notice a difference in loading but nothing earth shattering.
@@frogboyx1Gaming lower case b is bits, upper case B is bytes. Gbps = 1/8th of GBps You can tell from the interface, the size of the game eg. 11GB is transferring at 6.5Gbps. The first is Bytes, the second is bits. Otherwise it'd transfer in under 2s flat.
@@hmoham you're mixing them yeah, sorry. The PS5 is supposed to be 5.5GB/s (capital B for Bytes) whereas transfer speed on the Xbox interface is measured in Gb (lower case b for bits).
