I'm currently in the process of building a home server (using the first used enterprise gear I've ever bought). Your previous videos covering the topic of XCP-NG and its features (especially for virtualising FreeNAS) were really helpful for me, and I've made a fair amount of progress based on those and the XCP-NG documentation so far. I've not finalised my configuration yet, but I managed to get PCI passthrough working with no problems to pass an LSI HBA connected to a disk shelf through to FreeNAS. Thanks for the XCP-NG videos and tutorials you've done so far, and I'm looking forward to some more in the future if you've got other topics to cover.
VMWare is good ( its way better than hyper-v , hyper-v is pathetic ) it has many amazing features, horizon is very good. But , i get a nasty taste in my mouth every time i log into the console , not sure why.
@@olivierlambert4101 If you pay for support and not the license the support has to be amazing or you can tell them to fuck off and get a 3rd party in who knows the system well. I hope its the future.
*Thank you. Very interesting insight and good video!* One thing I noticed is that the audio is a bit out of sync (?) maybe I am mistaken. This was not bad in any way, please see it just as a remark.
Proxmox has everything Lawrence is talking about. Except it doesn't have a desktop application but the WebGui is enabled with more than enough option for day to day operation. Edit : Sorry Lawrence commented way before I finished the video. :)
Obviously you never explored Xen Orchestra UI ;) Continuous replication, DR, delta backup, multiple schedule, key backups, ACLs, Netdata integration etc. So the web GUI of XCP-ng is really able to do tons of stuff.
@@olivierlambert4101 I never said Xen Orchestra is bad or it couldn't do stuff I merely said Proxmox can do everything that Lawrence has talked about in this video. :)
Hub is XOA only as I understand. There is no plugin available for building. A bit like the netdata implantation, which is great but annoyingly you can't enabke the handy button in OX, you have to go to port 19999 manually. It's still a great combo though, and I've had less crashes than with esxi and its awful halfbaked web interface.
Love your content on all sorts of FOSS projects over the years. XCP-NG works well.. i'm running it home labs over vSphere due to licence nonsense also. BUTT, can you speak to the current known security vulnerabilities? can the hypervisor be hardened properly aside from control-plane isolation?
We are working on XOSANv2, that would be easier to deploy (less complexity). With it, you should be able to follow any existing tutorial for GlusterFS. Obviously, a turnkey version (just few clicks) will be available in XOA so you can setup easily, bundled with support for production env.
I realize this is a bit old, im looking at switching to proxmox for our home lab server setup, seems that Xen Orchestra is a must, what's the most cost-effective way of doing this realistically, and not wish to be rude, this is new for us don't really want to spend a lot until we know what we're getting into.
Very nice video, every minute I watched, I grew more enthusiastic to try this. Certainly will try it out. How easy is it to migrate virtual machines from ESXi to XCP-NG? That is the only unanswered question but very important.
We move our office servers to XCP-NG one year ago and with the pandemic period and all the home work to set up for our employees i have too say was the best decision we ever made in the IT department. We scale up our internal server to external server for home work lighting fast and manage all this with XO from home. Maintenance cost are damn low, performance and realibilty are at the state of the art. Support cost are ridiculously low.
Thank you very much for the channel - it is amazing! I am starting with the virtualization, and I would like to know what would be the order of watching the first several xcp-ng' movies so to configure the lab properly, with the storage, fault tolerance etc.? Thank you! Best Regards
4 года назад
I am still trying to test xcp-ng, but I can't make it work as a vm, tried with Hyper-V and it doesn't boot (already enabled the cpu extensions). Any idea how to create a virtual lab to try this out? Thanks
Hi Tom. Thanks for a lot of high quality videoes with very user friendly explaining :) If i were to setup a server with 8 hdd and were planing on using both FreeNAS and Xen, in which order would you do it and why? Many thanks :)
In version 8 the GPU exposure seems to be built right in, or it was a checkbox during install. I had a few old Quadro cards that I stuck in my test pool servers and the few VM's that I built showed those cards. Lots of learning to do. You mentioned the constant licensing phone home stuff, have you looked at Zentyal as a small Windows server replacement? I just started working with it in my home lab, but haven't really set anything more than DHCP up yet. Group policy is my biggest question with Zentyal (Samba 4).
I struggled for 2 straight days to get XCP-NG up and get XOA on there. I can log into the webUI but when i try to register I get "unknown error from peer". I tried to SSH to the XOA vm and try registering via CLI, same thing. I tried creating a ISO storage location, same error. I went to the xcp-ng forums to find a solution, after i created my account it made me log back in: credentials invalid. Its been 3 hours and the forgot password link still hasnt arrived. This close to scrubbing the whole damn project. Anyone know why im getting this message?
I downloaded the xen orchestra ova file and when I verified the md5 checksum it was different(verified using 2 different way). I did notify them though
I planned to go XCP-NG for a server updated last year, but things were to critical to catch up on learning XCP-NG enough to migrate to, plus is would not support the older systems I'm forced to run still. VMware, somehow, supports older hardware than XCP-NG. Maybe next time. VMware wasn't too expensive for the small setup I needed and it took only a few hours to migrate from an old dieing cluster to a newer one. Things had gotten too critical due to budget problems.
@lawrence we recently deployed on 5 noides and run around 100 VM's, but i have never found a good backup solution that can do incremental backup, i do not want to use delta backup since it has to keep a snapshot all the time of the VMs.
Hi I'm having a lot of trouble with xcp-ng and would like your help if you can. After installing xcp-ng I imported the XOA, so far so good but it doesn't ping even with static ip and doesn't pick up dhcp, I also tried to install a vm windows and without success I can't ping out.
Great informative video! Question... Can i run NCX-ng on a laptop and also access the virtual machine, interact, from same laptop? I am looking for a solution for a laptop that i can load a Hypervisor, Type 1 BUT can also interact with the virtual machines from the same laptop... Possible How? Thanks!!
There is one big difference between VMware and XCP-ng not mentioned in this video. One feature VMware has and XCP-ng does not, and that is far more better High Availability. VMware keeps a shadow VM in one other host's RAM, and if the host fails the VM fail over is seamless and without reboot, but on XCP-ng the VM reboots on other host, and you get 1-2 minute server downtime with possible issues do to VM force restart.
I would love to start using XCP-NG but there is no way I can make it work on a virtual environment with hyper-v (nested virtualization). I am not new to virtualization by any means, also I already checked instructions on how to make it work but had no luck so far. Without testing I cannot go further, unfortunately.
How well would this work with a BHyve like model? Where I run FreeNAS as VM on the XCP-NG platform, and pass through the Disk Controller to the VM and provide a NFS/SMB/iSCSI drive for the rest of the VMs to run off of?
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Is there a different OS that you would recommend to provide the Base ZFS enabled storage platform instead of FreeNAS? Maybe Something like CentOS setup with ZOL? Edit: This is what I am going for: b3n.org/vmware-vs-bhyve-performance-comparison/
@@Nagilum3 More or less experimental than FreeNAS? Lawerence stated that he wouldn't recommend FreeNAS in a commercial Environment, would you recommend an experimental ZFS system in the same situation?
I thinks zen is falling behind. With VMware now supporting native containers and kvm has for a while this is going to be a test. I really hope xcp does well though. kubernetes being all the rage in the enterprise these days. Don’t get me wrong it’s a really good product but I had to switch to esxi so I can run GNS3 eve-NG
Don't be tempted to repeat what you heard ;) There's the "public trend" (Kubernetes) and there's reality. First, Xen (and not "zen") is not falling behind. Quick example: AWS just hired a LOT of Xen developers recently and contributed a lot to the recent release of Xen. It's still the vast majority of their Cloud running on it (80%+) and this will continue. Regarding k8s, in XOA you can deploy a turnkey k8s cluster in few clicks, running on top of VMs, it works very well and you get a good isolation.
Vmware was amazing, so was coal. Switch to XCP-NG ! Honestly we have what ...... over 350 VMs over 2 sites on 2 VMWare clusters. VMWare is fantastic, not going to lie. But if it was up to me , i would switch it all to XC-PNG , why should we pay 5 figures for a backup solution when its built into xen ?
XOA for example, is running in a VM and that works great. Obviously, if you aren't in production, you can play with XO code and try to install it on a Raspberry Pi.
I have installed a Debian 9 VM on a local storage on a host in a couple of different pools. It was a pretty minimal Debian installation, and built XO from the source via a script which will update it and also allow you to roll back if the latest build breaks something. (GitHub user is Ronivay I think.l.) I set that VM to start upon startup of the host and start first. It works well. I wasn't able to successfully update to Debian 10 last I tried, as it broke something in XO. Though I'm building from source, for anything beyond a homelab or small and simple production environment, I recommend support packages from Olivier and his team. They are very responsive to issues and know the code. A lot can be learned from the XCP-NG forum on the website!
can i run xcp-ing like an application on my windows pc like vmware? or do i have to install it on another computer like a server and remote into that server?
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS It would be a very important feature for many to automatically spin up vms based on k8s but i admit my comment was mostly late night hyperbole :)
PLEASE REPLY Q. If i will create a acronis or norton ghost image of whole server and if server crash due to hardware issue, will restoring gives any issue due to hardware changes. In other word how to backup XCP-NG server and restore even if there is any hardware change.
There's no hardware change. That's the key point of VMs: it's an abstraction between your hardware and operating systems. Just restore the VM anywhere on any other XCP-ng host, it works. Period.
@@abhikumar1259 Don't do that, it's not the way it works. There's no need to backup your hypervisor itself. Backup the VMs, if your hardware is destroyed, reinstall XCP-ng on a fresh machine, and import your VM: it just works.
@@olivierlambert4101 So what about settings and stuff, is there a way to export and reimport those in order to get a new installation back on track asap?
@@Noodles.FreeUkraine There's not a lot of settings. XCP-ng is pretty turnkey, so even if you have something to do from scratch, it's really trivial. In theory you can backup host metadata, but in 90% of the cases, it's far easier to just reinstall, import VMs and that's it.
I like how they say Xen Orchestra is totally for free and first thing they want is your email to download it. Second step and they are forcing me register with their account and link the XOE installation with their account. The presenter here says how Citrix is trying to lock the advance features to sell substitution, but this company is doing exactly the same in different way. Basically this company is no different from Citrix. I will rather install KVM because I don't have to register with anyone and will not have anyone snooping on what I run.
You don't have to register if you build it all from source or use the command line to download. Registering for for the trial mode on the self updating version with the extra features. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bq1iKO-0jWs.html
I'm evaluating XCP-NG now, so far I like some of the features, but there are others that are lacking. We currently have a couple of older HP Proliant DL380 G5 and G6 servers that are still running a older version of VMWare ESXi with basic licenses (just enough to let us use ghettovcb to do backups), but have mostly moved to ProxMox for our virtualization needs on newer Dell servers. So far the main gotcha is the fact that you can not directly upload iso image files into a iso storage disk using the Xen Orchestra web interface. Have you came up with any fixes for this, I don't want to have to rely on scp or having to ssh into the host and manually run a wget command to download a iso image. Also is it possible to register the Open Source Xen Orchestra so I can use the hub or XOSan features or does that require paying for a license and using the full Xen Orchestra instead of the Open Source version? I'm really not a fan of the Ceph file storage system that a colleague is wanting to use for our next proxmox cluster so I want to explore other options. I also like the idea of the continuous replication backup method as that is very similar to using veeam to maintain a DR machine that can be powered on to replace the current machine if something goes wrong with the original.
I am wanting to use xcp-ng but it appears that the XO is no longer available as a free license anymore. I don't need any special features, just basic virtualization of a few VMs but I am not interested in managing everything from CLI or compiling from source (unless I must). Was going to use ESXi but the 8 vcpu limit doesn't work as one of my VMs is quite resource-intensive and needs at least 8 true cores and ideally the full 22 from one of the CPUs. Proxmox doesn't seem as well fleshed out as XO or Esxi for the WebUI. I do plenty of sysadmin stuff for work, I just want something simple that allows me to run a few VMS with passthrough of HBAs and GPUs for compute. Hoping you can help, thanks for your videos, they have been massively helpful and interesting.
Where do you get the misinformation that there is not a free version? It's on their site as it always has been xen-orchestra.com/#!/xo-pricing
4 года назад
I am still trying to test xcp-ng, but I can't make it work as a vm, tried with Hyper-V and it doesn't boot (already enabled the cpu extensions). Any idea how to create a virtual lab to try this out? Thanks
Thanks for the video. As a enterprise vmware admin myself its always great to see other solutions. On a off-subject question but related to the overall concept of open source verses closed. do you ever get concerned by the closed source of pfsense v/s opnsense? I enjoy your pfsense videos you offer and also run that myself at home. Thanks. Doug
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS ok maybe the term closed source was not correct. i was referring to this quote from the opnsense folks. docs.opnsense.org/history/thefork.html . Again i use pfsense at home and enjoy that distro and the work that goes into it.