Xeno Clears Criterion Savage and is Immediately Disappointed 

Sounds like Bozja weapons but in a different spot...Youre always going to be forced to re-run things or wait for new content for an upgrade - there is no inbetween its one or the other and in this situation people want their cake and to eat it too- People upset that theres no Bozja or grind for your relic weapons - Well guess what? The grind was doing the old raids you already did again. Now: People are upset that they have to go do the old raids to get their weapon upgraded - Well guess what? You said you wanted a new area and a grind to get your relics - too late for that to happen so just do it with criterion instead. Theres no winning.

​@@DJ_TreuYou know those two things aren't the same thing right? Relics are midcore content. Savage Criterion is not. Anyone who's done any relic grind can tell you that. What, you hoping to get some sprouts to eat up your bullshit? You also ain't even fucking remembering the relic grind right. Just fucking look up any resistance relics grind guides (you didn't even call them Resistance Relics once in your rant, which makes me wonder if you even did them lol). You had the OPTION to do old raids (and old raids by even ShB standards like CT, HW, etc. which requires almost zero effort and can solo over half the grind vs mandating Eden Savage Raids which you DON'T need for the grind unlike these glams needing Criterion Savage. Which is even worse than Eden Savage due to how Criterion Savage dungeons are designed. OR you can ignore all that and just passively grind it in Bozja while getting a bunch of other stuff in there anyways (and Bozja can be even faster than the raid/dungeon spam routes too in some cases). "Oh but one of the last steps force you to do DRN it's so hard" DRN is fucking EASY! Just join an 8-man farm party, there's literally a few posted every fucking day in PF. The echo scales so a party of 8 who actually use their DRN essences and easily farmable high damage actions can clear it in sub-15 minutes. If you're clearing first time, just look up a guide so you have some idea how to avoid the mechanics and you'll be fine. And you'll only get better and faster at it the more you do it. While reclearing Criterion Savage will always take longer since there's zero way to cheese it. Fuck, I've seen people SOLO DRN just to flex. It ain't ANYWHERE as tedious/hard/annoying as Criterion Savage. Resistance Relic Grinding is easy midcore content you don't need any gear for because it's all level-synced (even wearing level 1 gear in Bozja will be synced up to level 80) and Criterion Savage is hardcore, requiring P12S gear to even attempt. The two ain't comparable and you just look really bad/untrustworthy for trying to convince people otherwise.

P11S is the current raid tier savage. @@DJ_Treu

@@DJ_Treu there's a lot painted over here just to get to the "people are being petty" punchline... firstly Bozja gave 2 paths, run a lot of Bozja or do older raid and dungeon content to give some incentive to go back to previous expansions (emphasis on OLDER content and the fact that Bozja relics offered 2 paths). Secondly, Bozja did not require current tier gear, nor did it require current tier savage. Criterion is exclusively for savage raiders. The only "farming" done here was already done in savage prog and reclears. So that basically means there is no real grind outside of prog and reclear, which we were doing anyway.

@@DJ_Treu just do the hunts nerd...outside of that the relic is a fucking snooze like the rest of the trashbin game

That tells you how out of touch FF14 team is nowadays. They do great stuff like the overall presentation of the game. Music, graphics(despite the super old engine) and all of that is top notch. However the core problems of the game like gear, lack of meaningful content.....is prevalent. But don't worry my dude, Yoshi-P will announce green mage and everyone will forger this problems and hail the ff14 team as god like.

That makes no sense and made me smh and facepalm. You'd think it'd be related to something I dunno blue mage related.

@@Yokai_Yuri "Something something HEY GAMERS I HEAR YOU SAY healing is boring and unengaging? go raid ultimates lmao and btw DID I TELL you we have a tank shortage too you k... (tank pop literally being 3x the healer pop) ...something...fallguys...somethingsomething...dragoon well liked by everyone........ must rework NOW......"

I thought that was obvious. To force yall to play ither content 😂. Only logical reason

Because it was part of the contest design winners and they didn't want to leave it out of the glowy weapons or people would complain just as much. Realistically it should be obtained from blue mage content but they didn't want to make blue mage content. What they could've done - which would've been cool - is to make it an achievement reward from doing Delubrum Reginae Savage as a blue mage party, but then they'd have to test and make sure its actually possible to do so, which they likely didn't have time for.

Criterion savage is for those who like to waste time

@@pressheart64 ultimate is completely new content. Criterion Savage is a copy paste of normal mode with stupid and lazy restrictions

@@pressheart64 actualy not, because You have to grind the 8 man harder content to get loot that is needed here, who tf designed this xDDDDD

I'm sure that's a valid criticism but it has nothing to do with what I said.​@@toadey6577

​​​@@pressheart64if it instantly gave u weapon, would be true. But u need buy for 500 tomes + token, then upgrade from p11s and then u can only get weapon. Ultimates just instantly rewards u for succeeding. To get all weapons from ultimate, u just need do ultimate. To get all weapons from criterion savage, u need grind weekly tomes(which are only 450 a week locked lol) + p11s(which u can do once a week and it's not guaranteed to get weapon upgrade, and if u not lucky - only for books after several weeks)

not 100% true imo people will want this weapon for glam purposes later down the road just like people want an anima or ARR relic.

@@TheDesiredShadow the point is that later down the line this is obsolete. Yeah I can do old savages unsynced if I just want glam, if people have problems with the current tier waiting is not a solution. Also this seems to me like it was the perfect opportunity to let people who want to gear without doing 8 man raids do so, but they are completely forgotten by this game. They should be making alternatives to gear so people can engage in content they like, not force people to do one thing on top of another just because the end product looks cool.

​@@pinkchcknsee I agree with this but don't agree with it . Hear me out. People keep waiting to simplify this game and I wish it would stop 😢 yall wanted summoner to be easier and now I won't play it same for damn monk. Basically I'm trying to say somebody in the community is gonna take an L . Not everything is for everybody.

​@@Gekkoukitsune9no one but shitty casuals wanted summoner to be simple, hell it was already easy to begin with!

@@vaderglenn you are correct the issue is they always fkcing cry vs the people who are just quiet and happy so now the side who the Class was intended for gets fck . Also now be real lol summoner now is so fkcing brain dead 💀 atleast it was busy before now I could be blind and missing some ( alot ) of cells and still play that shit

These upgrade the 660 tome weapons, right? You'll be able to get the upgrade mats for them from turning in Alliance raid coins or nuts eventually. Just like all the previous tiers. So, you don't actually have to go through savage unless you want it *right now.* Which, it's possible you could take more time clearing savage than just waiting for the upgrade item to be added to the coin/nut vendors, unless you got a cracked team.

most of the time it feels like the devs have no experience with even _playing_ mmos

The funny thing is that they do have experience with each other MMOs. The lead devs and Yoshi P have played MMOs. Yoshi P played Ultima Online till its final days and WoW. Yoshi P even made his team play WoW to find good things and ideas to help fix FFXIV and some of the devs still play WoW in their limited spare time. Yoshi P also had prior experience managing another MMO, DQX before they brought him over to FFXIV. MMOs like WoW and OSRS didn't have strong penetration into the Japanese market while MMOs made by Eastern devs have much more success like FFXIV, DQX, PSO2, etc. However, it is noted that for the younger devs their primary exposure to MMOs are Korean MMOs or Japanese Gatchas hence why we have been getting more QoL stuff that is expected from those MMOS (not to mention the Ultimate fiascos likely bringing in plugins into the forefront).

There’s still a lock out for that right?

​@@rodimus580yes last I remember

@@rodimus580 yea i think there's still a 1 per weekly reset limit but they reduced the cost to buy a tome with blades down to 4 in 6.5

But you still need to do P11S for the Solvent to be able to put the weapon 660, and then with the item of the Criterion to put 665.

@@HarumiYu That's true, although they'll eventually make weapon solvent obtainable through allaince raid coins in the 6.55 patch (or whatever patch they do it in, i forgor)

They're not bleeding anything out, dont be mad you cant do the content. Like ultimate and savage content, pretty things are rewarded for those who do make the effort to do it. This kind of content isnt for everyone. If you want everything handed to you go play WoW. It is not a raid weapon it is ilvl 665 on par with ultimate weapons. So..

@@zeuslorne7005 Raid weapons are ilvl665. It also changes the stats from the tomestone weapon to the same as the raid weapons stats when it gets upgraded. Also has the same amount of meld slots. Its literally just an alternate raid weapon that requires you do the raid up to the 3rd fight of the tier and then go do criterion instead of the 4th fight. Anyone can see that its stupid as fuck considering that by this point everyone raiding to the 3rd fight will also have cleared the 4th enough to get the raid weapon. The only point of getting the criterion one is for glam at that point. Which brings the question of why it isn't like ultimate weapons where you trade the totem for the weapon directly.

Or a 555 gearset from variant that upgrades to 665 after completing criterion normal.

@@Jade-nn3bn maybe but im happy with upgrade items and accessories from it. I want Alliance Savage to upgrade the 650 items from that to 660 and plus i actually want a challenge from alliance, the EW alliance were painfully easy even for alliances

@@xierotronit would be interesting to see harder versions of alliance raids for sure

@@toji6476 they experimented doing them with Delirium Reginae Savage so im thinking that level of difficulty tho minus the no rez

You need strong gear too for savage but they didn't give gear

you need to do : - P12N 4 weeks (or get the token in P10S) - P11S for the 660 weapon upgrade (and soon alliance raid but who cares there will be relic at that point) - Criterion Savage for the 665 upgrade + glow That's so bad

So basically no one getting it. And theres a blue mage wpn. This is a joke.

ur literally crying rn lmao

@@thefatebringer2046 can you tell me why Criterion isn't being used as a filler for raiders to catch up/gear up alts or why it offers no worthwhile gear progression at all despite being more difficult than normal content?

you did not have to do old raids outside the normal raids. Savage was never needed in relics. People wanted some kind of grind outside of just farms tomes and buying the relic.

@@umbralflow6883 mechanically its the same. Go do old content that means nothing to you now for an upgrade.

Fact is you were farming tokens either way. Current model lets you pick where to get that token old model picked for you. - (Personal opinion not fact) Current model is better.

@DJ_Treu yes but now relics are an after thought. It use to be fates, old duties, a kill target, normal 8 man, large scale instance, or some kind of quest. Now its on the same level as picking up a tome weapon. Relics use to be that it was the grindy version of raid weapon. We're raid weapon took skill and relics took time. I straight up forget that there Relics now. Now I just buy them is I find myself cap on tomes doing other content. They are no longer special as you don't really work for it. It just happens. Almost everything give you tomes so you'll have the mean to buy it without noticing that you did. I use to look at people that had them and go "damn that player must have really worked for that" now its a no brainer.

@@umbralflow6883 I see where youre coming from. It would have been nice to have a random new zone to go to rather than just instanced areas. I just give them a big pass on a lot of things because 2021-2023 was pretty wild for trying to get things done no matter what job you held in the world, Cooking, Teaching, programming, Sweeping the office, etc. All got kinda screwed over.

Nope, the blade is still locked out but the cost is now 4 instead of 7

You still need to get the Solvent from p11s to upgrade your 650 tome weapon to a 660 tome weapon before you can use the criterion upgrade item. It's just scuffed all around

Nope

first of all, it's "tome", not "tomb". secondly, you still need solvent from p11s to upgrade 650 weapon to 660

You can get the tomestone from P12 Normal to buy the weapon. To actually upgrade the weapon you need divine solvent which is from P11S only as of right now (They usually add it to alliance raid coin exchange way later) which is the version you need to upgrade to get the glows with the savage criterion material.

Only 4 now, but still sucks.

They haven't unlocked it yet. Still once a week