Xenos Much Older than the Deacons (Romulus SPOILER Theory) 

Aside from Xenomorphs I would love to see other type of creatures in the alien world.

I have this funky headcanon where the deacon was made from the xenomorphs DNA to combat it, but it obviously went wrong

Space Jockey Race: Original "Old ones" race with advanced biomechanical technology. Created the 'Engineer' race. Engineer Race: revolted with a war against their creators (O'bannon and Shuett say Space Jockey derelict was possibly a warship) and stole Space Jockey tech. Tried to 'reverse Engineer' the tech. (This is why their juggernaut ships look only 'mechanical' and not 'bio'). They use Space Jockey goo to seed planets. Humans created. Human Race: Makes synthetic beings, who also revolt against their creator. (ah, a pattern!: Ridley Scott's favorite trope! Ash, Blade Runner replicants, etc). David killed Engineers because he knew the truth: that they were not 'perfect' and were flawed compared to the superior Old Ones/elder gods the Space Jockeys, who's tech David was set on recreating. A cyclical story. I do like the idea that the Space Jockeys created the 'angels' to cleanse the universe of subpar species. They are the "Watchers/Predators in the Dark Woods" part of Fermi's paradox.

They had a mural of an ancient xeno like creature. The engineers created the goo from this creature. David was just following the steps back to the xeno. He didn't create the xeno, he just traced steps back to it.

You do a really good job here selling the story as being straight out of Lovecraft. I've absolutely read Yog-Sothothery stories before where they stumble on some ancient aliens only to reveal at the end the horrible even more alien thing that killed them. Matter of fact that's kinda the whole structure of a Lovecraft pastiche, find weird thing, investigate weird thing, horrible reveal in italics. I don't think the movies are for certain going to start pivoting to that angle per se, not the destroying angel or outer god stuff, at least not so explicitly. Part of the thing is they have no reason to, because really at this point if they ever truly make the origin completely transparent it's inevitably going to piss someone off no matter what. Also, it doesn't really need one, it honestly just plays better to have at least some evidence to sway audiences in a few different directions. Makes it mysterious but not in a frustrating way. You'll never really know the truth but you're not in the dark, so it just adds to the mystery behind them, which is something you want in a franchise called "Alien." And like I know the obvious assumption that if they get black goo from the XX121 that implies that's where the Engineers got it, too, but they still do that the other way around, too, and I've seen plenty of people in the comments asserting that this for sure means the goo came first and is the "root" so to speak of all the genetic makeup of the different aliens. Although I assume the reverse engineered xenos won't be exactly the same, but they're for sure going to use that excuse to subvert the audiences expectation at some point cuz y'know these movies do try to do horror movie stuff sometimes. Honestly I would be surprised if they leaned into 100% confirming the xeno came before the black goo, I would never expect an alien movie to have the balls to do that. Then again these movies only ever come out every 5 years so the precedent set in the last decade was only two movies ago and it seems like every single new movie completely upends the whole flow chart of how all this stuff is supposed to work. It's a proud alien movie tradition to have to make you go back and rewrite all the life cycle charts. Personally I kinda feel like making them ordinary aliens and the product of evilotion seems a little cheap, doesn't sound as satisfying as being related to an outer god, and their super bizarre nature kinda leans into something a little more inexplicable. Then again the universe is really just truly mind bogglingly enormous and it's really only a limit of my imagination, so, it would be an easy thing to sell me on if a movie did it well. I just don't think they'll ever need to say, nor would it really be worth it.

Kinda strange how the gas giant LV-223 and LV-426 orbit has always gone overlooked you could easily say the engineers had a way to build something there and that would make them feel even more advanced than the humans that can colonize everywhere else

I've always preferred that the Xenomorph, if it must have an origin, be far beyond anything most people would have imagined. COSMIC HORROR. Similar to a Lovecraftian "great old one" who was exiled from its home dimension. Itself, an Alien to our Universe. That the entire Xenomorph species was made in its image and likeness. If ever seen, it wouldn't look exactly like a specific previously seen caste, as it would be much larger and more powerful but still congruent in its biomechanical design, like a kaiju Xenomorph. The Xenomorph equivalent to Cthulu. Unable to create original life, it's progeny must kill to be born. - With a cosmic horror origin, the Xenomorph can never truly be understood or predicted. I would reveal that even beyond the host, there is a practically unlimited variety of shapes and castes the Alien can take on, all would still look reminiscent of the original, like they belong to the family, but unique in their own ways.

I’d also like to add that while in the minority I really really really wish they would conclude the David/Engineer/Space Jockey storyline I was really invested into that.

You back! I enjoy your Alien stuff on this channel.

Prom and Covenant was an attempted retcon by Scott to introduce the twist that the Alien was made by David. Fan lore is stretching to rewrite and explain around this (and rightly so) as it was a stupid idea that destroyed the mystery of the Alien.

Great video, friend. A lot of compelling ideas here. Also nice to see someone examining both of the prequels without just dumping all over them while shouting “HOO-RAH, LETS ROCK.”

Personal headcanon: The Blood of the First Deacon -- the Pathogen -- was the progenitor of both the Engineers, humans, and Xenomorphic life. An ancient race that seeded themselves into space to punish foolish, space faring races for playing with the Promethean Flame.

I really hope this film is separate from Prometheus and is a stand alone alien film

Everyone forgets the one overlooked stage of development. Shaw was quickly impregnated after gaving sex with her boyfriend in Prometheus. She had the mutated sperm removed in a medical pod. That could have been the first time the black goo was exposed to the biology of a human female. That mutated sperm had accelerated into a giant variation of a face hugger and was stonger than an egineer as evidenced how easily the engineer was impregnated. Davids experiments on Shaw still ended in the creation of a different alien than all the other iterations. The essential components to current alien variations are eggs laud by queens that can utilize face huggers to impregnate humans. The black goo creates somethings entirely differen. Not sure why David was abble to create an egg or egg embryos without a queen. Even if he used an egg from Shaw's uterus it should be completely different from a xenomorph queen egg.

So the theory is the Xenomorph is the universe’s aggressive white blood cell?

Of course the xenomorphs are hideously ancient. No matter what anyone says, the original intent was that the Space Jockeys made them for a civil war, and they mutated during it's end, and after the war was over, they began showing up in places they weren't wanted nor supposed to be in. The Jockeys (not the Engineers) were hinted at every comic to be the first forms of life in our galaxy. They died out a very long time ago as a result of the bioweapons and xenomorphs they made rampaging out of control after the war, but it took generations until it hit critical mass. Although that was the view point from the late 'eighties until Prometheus was made in 2012 which anyone with a brain ignores.

Okay so you all know how its a recurring theme that corporations and militaries across various Alien media want to weaponize xenomorphs in some fashion; and Ridley Scott's original idea was for the eggs and the Derelict to be sort of like a wwii bomber. In my head Canon, the pathogen goo was made by the engineers in an imitation of the xenomorph genome. Something they hoped could be more controlled. And I think it would be ironic if that were true because it would mean the engineers were no different than mankind, who also attempt to weaponize xenos and/or seek the DNA for pharmaceutical purposes. And the scene in Covenant where the goo is used like in a bomb raid is a really neat nod to ridley Scott's unused idea. I know at least one novel (alien: colony war) mentions a rumor of colonies being wiped by a black gooey rain. It would be cool if the engineers came in contact with xenomorphs, tinkered with the genome and created the goo, and then David comes in contact with the goo, tinkered with the genome and along with killing the last of the engineers, ends up creating something resembling the xenomorph, and then elsewhere a short time later, mankind encounters the orignal xenomorphs and have a hankering to do some tinkering of their own; and all the while, David is still out there tinkering with his own (obviously less cool) version of xenomorphs.

Prometheus and Covenant should be considered non-canon and ignored. Aliens except the part where Ripley's daughter was revealed to have died of cancer and should be deleted from all future versions should be considered canon. Alien 3 and 4 should also be considered non-canon. The videogame Alien Isolation should be considered canon. Hopefully Alien Romulus would not introduce stuff that violates the integrity of the other alien films considered canon.

It's worth keeping in mind that the Xeomorphs have always possessed a biological mutagen even as early as the first movie where they originally supposed to transform humans into eggsacs. We later saw how the Xenomorph itself mutates based upon the host's biology which is how you get Runners and Predaliens. Beyond this we have Queens producing royal jelly to create Preatorians. Based upon this you have the title of the movie Romulus. In mytholgy Romulus and Remus were said to be the founders of the Roman empire and were famously said to have become so mighty because they were fed on the milk of a powerful wolf as babies. With Hollywood writers often trying to seem clever with their names, it would be likely that Wayland Yutani will be trying to use the "milk" of the Xenomorph to create super humans like we saw Ripley's clone become.

6:05 it is pretty obvious how much the engineer suits represent xenomorphs, which could be taken one of two ways. Either the xenomorph birthed from the engineer looked like them or the engineers mimicked the xenomorphs characteristics similar to the urn room.

I do not consider Prometheus or Covenant as canon. I hope they someday retcon that wretched excuse for an origin for the Aliens.

The engineers clearly worshipped the Deacon, based on the architecture we see in Prometheus. So my take on it is this: the Engineers found the Deacons, an aggressive and highly adaptive species that they then adapted using their knowledge of bioengineering. This project led to the development of the black goo, a substance that they could seed onto a world that would result in the infection of native species and the emergence of the Deacon. All the Engineers need do is wait for them to wipe out all competing life forms and enter a dormant cycle, leaving a pristine, uninhabited world for them to strip for resources. Manipulation of the goo and/or introducing it to certain hosts results in what we know of as the Xenomorph: a more evolved and weaponised version of the Deacons. These are harder to control so the Engineers tend to keep a tight hold on their development. The ship we see in the original Alien was transporting Xenomorph samples, so I think they’d just cleaned up an infestation and were returning to a home base when there was a containment breach. David used information recovered by the Prometheus crew to try and recreate the Xenomorph strain for his own ends, getting surprisingly close. So in this way, David could have triggered another infestation without being the Xenomorph’s true creator, while leaving their origins vague and it still fits into the canon of all the films as established on screen already.

Why does everyone overlook, the fact Bishop said he was home when on Fury 141,, it was a controlled lab with the double Y chromosome males who resembke the engineers

I hope that they explain that David didn't create the original Xeno. The monster should have been from thousands of years ago, at least.

How does a creature with such a unique life cycle evolve naturally? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

the engineer black goo is an AI construct of the original xenomorph blood. this is also why visually its black and the androids have white blood.

Very interesting theory could be true

So does xenomorph from the original alien movie has a name

If the original space jockey in Alien had been there fossilized for over 10,000 years, why does the hole in his chest from the face hugger look recent? Also, where did that Xenomorph body end up? Is it ever mentioned in any lore?

There should be more of an explanation of the derelict ship on LV 426 and where those eggs came from…..

Isn’t the deacon just a thing through chance? Guy gets infected with the black goo, impregnates the girl who gives birth to that weird face hugger that impregnates an engineer who births a deacon. I’m sure the Xenos were way before deacons.

I could easily see the xenomorphs being in the cthulhu mythos.

Honestly, as long as we get a retcon that David was the origin and he create them I don't care how they explain it. I enjoyed the new movies but always hated David and that "explanation". Please give us back the mystery and that they are old and we don't know where they came from.

I always adhered to ALIEN creator Dan O'Bannon's origins of the Xenomorphs being ancient natural creatures. I also subscribe that the Space Jockeys are NOT The Engineers, they are both in the same universe but are separate non related species. To me, the Space Jockeys created the Engineers from ancient primitive humans, alter them and use them as worker drones. Eventually the Engineers rebelled and stole tech, scientific discoveries and experiments, such as the Alien Eggs where the Pathogen is extracted. I hope we get this and finally eliminate the division Ridley Scott created in the Fandom. We'll see how it all turns out with ROMULUS and Noah Hawley's ALIEN TV Series.

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I've noticed that when the holograms of the Engineer's run through David his hair is blown, how can a hologram do this ? It can't, or am I missing something ?

Are the engineers now extinct or are they in a higher reality/dimension.

So many questions but so few answers ?

I hope they make an explanation for the fact that David isn't the creator of the xenomorph

Well yeah we knew thr xeno was older thats why in AC iy skiped the larga faze, it wad a MUCH newer breeed of bio weapon The original one was old as hell. Fossilized or not, the ship had been there for a long af time

We need more Prometheus sequels !!! Alien movies are fun but someday it will DIE because of repeated plots. More like Scream.

The problem with the "Alien" franchise is that the fans are delusional and obsessed with XENOMORPHS to the point that they feel they know what Xenomorphs are and how they work and how they should be depicted, etc etc yada yada. Thus when Ridley Scott attempted to make Prometheus, I feel he faced big studio interference due to the allusions and references made in the film which is marketed as Science Fiction (with FANTASY aka faster than light travel, cryogenic tech, advanced alien species that are ancient and lab experiment monsters) so any references that make religious allusions to Christianity may have been interpreted as possibly offensive and thus there was some push back and censorship and that is before Ridley Scott himself edited stuff out of the film that he felt either revealed too much information or made the ancient alien "engineers" seem too relatable and not possibly mysterious dieties which the deleted scene with the conversation after cryogenic awakening kinda did because the humans act like vile creatures and they have the audacity to use an artificial human to ask him to get the humans the fountain of youth. Thus when Prometheus film originally released in theaters, all those Xenomorph fanboys immediately got extremely critical and negative towards the film... I know as it is the film is not perfect but it does evoke a mystery and questions which could have been revealed in sequels but this type of Alien franchise was not assured for a new trilogy plan even if Ridley Scott made it so because this franchise is for MATURE audiences, for adults... it's not a kids franchise like Star Wars or Harry Potter or even Lord of the Rings... and thus Alien Covenant having to add the title "Alien" to the title and turning all space slasher flick is essentially what those xenomorph fanboys wanted but when they got it, they hated it even more... and it is ridiculous cause I recall many of them wanting more on the "engineers" when Alien Covenant came out... and this kinda highlights a problem where a film director/production team that is making an adult/mature rated R audience film just cannot listen to critics... even George Lucas mentioned this when he felt so frustrated at how a group of Original Trilogy Star Wars Elitists were extremely abusive during the 2000s and if you are a creative person you cannot have someone censoring what you are creating... I hope that makes sense. So now DISNEY owns the Aliens franchise right? so they are gonna pump money into this franchise and it might be a good thing or a bad thing... we will not know until later but this is a film for R-rated audiences, its a horror, terror and sci-fi fantasy film with heavy theories on biology plus some religious references or allusions due to the nature of the material. The mystery of the xenos and deacons might have been answered if xenomorph fanboys had not been so toxic back when films were still able to make millions in theaters but they voted against the film so they can shame themselves... also iirc from somewhere there was a mention of why filmmakers only make one and done films for mature audiences because they cannot rely on the R-rating or the audience to actually show up to support these films... no matter how much you love your face huggers and do not feel you are wrong in doing so.

Did you see that we are getting avengers vs aliens in few months ?

Now I’m really confused, and disappointed

if this theory is true then it would be such a let down to know the origins of my most loved sci-fi movie stems from some creepy racists' work

Comics are not canon.

No keep the two separate. Two creations one by HR Giger and HP Lovecraft.. Hollywood has perverted enough shit.

So many questions but so few answers ?