You should just dominate this camera comparison segment with more of these. When I watch your videos I'm actually learning a lot about the cameras, their capabilities and photography. When I watch other comparisons it's all about: camera A good, camera B not as good.
Absolutely amazing! Honestly that's the best camera comparison I've seen on RU-vid, I wouldn't have had a problem if this video was an hour long. The only gripe I have is that it's not uploaded in 4K.
This is hands down one of the best smartphone camera comparisons out there. I was so sick of cropped photo analysis. Someone finally saw a gap between how pro photographers work and regular people. Thank you so much for this video and keep up the good job. I would like to see more Xiaomi 12S Ultra vs. comparisons.
That walking shot really sells it, that looks like a straight out mirrorless camera video with a decent wide aperture lens. You wouldn't think for a second that it was a phone shot! And that's what sells me on the Xiaomi. the X80 dynamic range is jaw dropping, and Super RAW is an incredible three or four step shortcut in image processing, but all of the shots out of the Xiaomi feel like they come from an actual camera. For the extra dynamic range, stick those jpegs in Lightroom Mobile for some tone adjustment and you've got stuff you can publish for work. Gads, hope they release the International version soon!
Everybody is making more money... They can charge you tons for those extra 128gb, 256gb, etc. If you add an SD card, it's the SD card company making that money
Also look at the lifespan of Samsung flagships VS Apple flagships vs Sony flagships. After 5 years of hardcore use you still get great battery and performance. Importantly still on the original battery too.
And yet Sony has been marginalised in terms of market share. Consumers are sick, they have no foresight. Smartphones being purchased annually or even every two years just creates an unnecessary hole in your pocket. But a top tier Sony and you've got a beast for 4 years easily. I'm a fan boy with just a little logic so I get one every 2 years.
I would love to having a variable aperture on such a huge sensors. Previously, samsung did to S8&9 but due to smaller sensor differences weren't substantial but now it could be. Nonetheless, fantastic video as usual.
I think a good example of a camera company doing something like mobile phone photography is from Leica. Their M11 which allows you to shoot in 3 different resolutions while using the full sensor. It uses internal pixel binning to use more light capture whilst essentially maintaining the clarity. Unlike the Samsung s21 and s22 ultra which are just shambolic in comparison. Also their higher iso range means you can push them quite far. Although to do a relative shot in similar settings with smaller sensors. You do need to do a little math. Pity these are consigned to China only.
A big thanks to Juan for opening eyes to the exciting real developments in pocket computer cameras, that don’t get extravagant marketing budgets to promote them.
I'd love to see you do a camera battle among the iPhone 13 Pro, Pixel 6 Pro, Xiaomi 11 Ultra and Xiaomi 12S Ultra. On the results shown in your video, the 12S Ultra is a clear winner on every aspects over the X80 Pro. Better color and DR.
Totally underrated channel barely get him in my feed and yet prefer his content more giving us great information on every vid hopefully one day people would understand the value of his content more.
That's a brilliant most detailed and fun showdown I loved every second of it thank you soooo much for your effort, keep up with such great content.... Also can you please make a comparison of any old phone that has some great cameras like the old Leica camera phones please... Like the this 12s ultra up against the p20 pro or p30 pro I think p30 pro would be better for the comparison... I want to see just how much the smartphone camera have evolved and I think that will be a hot topic too... Please it's a request do consider it please... ♦️ But again thanks for this engaging fun comparison...
WHERE WERE YOU BROOOO !!!! RU-vid PLEASE RECOMMEND THESE VIDEOS TO EVERYONE.....HE IS GEMM.............. NEVER SEEN SUCH A COMPARISON MY GOD......... YOU DESERVES TO CHARGE MONEY FOR THESE KIND OF VIDEOS.....
@@SomeGadgetGuy In terms of resulting images how superior is the full 1" sensor against the cropped 1" sensor, and the inclusion of a variable aperture in the Xperia Pro-i.
Finally a competent review of these phones. Unfortunately for me here in the USA I imported the 12s and since it’s still only a China ROM it’s was a non starter for me and I ended up selling it. Maybe in the future if there is a global version with 100% google services support I may give it another look. I also had the Xperia Pro-I which I really liked except that the screen was just not bright enough for me when shooting outdoors
You nailed the ending by saying that smartphone photographers would care about the zoom lens and thus giving Xiaomi the Win, I would wish more companies would treat the zoom lenses with the same importance as the main lens, imagine an even larger sensor on that telephoto. I was really interested in the ZTE Axon 40 ultra since the Main lens on that phone is 35mm and that makes me question if the 'bokeh' on that is going to be somehow superior to the Xiaomi, that phone also shoots 16 Megapixel raw files so i am very interested in seeing that comparison. With all that said, you can still easily install Gcam to use something similar if not better than the Vivo's super raw on the Xiaomi phone. One more thing, if you install the PixelCam (one with the yellow icon) and shoot in HDR+ and not HDR+ enhanced with RAW enabled, you basically get double the iso performance without any drawbacks, like the softening that results in stacking or the delay in the shutter speed. I haven't tried it on the Xiaomi 12s Ultra but I do use it on my own Xiaomi phone and it works incredibly well.
@@KD_Molua i have got the August firmware/security update. About the software i heard Vivo promised that their flagship line will get 3 years or 3 major update of Android version (if I'm not mistaken)
You man got my sub!!! From now on I'll watch your videos when it comes to camer reviews in smartphones... 👍 This is what a smartphone camera review should be! 😁
Gr8 work, thx 🙂 Noise is a heavy topic. Xiaomis Denoizing looks cleaner but looks less Detailed imho. A Denoising Switch/setting would be nice. 12sU vs. Pro-I would be great, or better RGGB vs RGB Bayer Pattern with similar Sensor Sizes.
Would've been awesome if Magic4 Ultimate was more wildly available. As crazy as it sounds, its full-frame aperture equivalent is even faster than the 12S ultimate. Also, stacked raw is a massively underrated feature. It's gives you the best stills output the phone is capable of in most conditions. One thing that bugs me about ProRaw and Expert Raw though is that they give you demosaiced dng files, which means the ugly noise reduction artifacts are still there, making it more of an over-glorified Tiff than a PRO or EXPERT raw.
Yeah that's totally fair. I think that's why it's even more important to explain what those modes are really there for. For me it's a situational tool where I want to shortcut what would have been a bracketed shot on my mirrorless, and I'm good with some of the compromises going in.
Interesting to see this comparison, but will personally steer clear from a Chinese device. The closest I've got to a Chinese device was HTC and in my books that's not China.
@Peace, Love and Unity I'm starting to think these are troll/bots cause they repeat same mantra all over the place with slight difference in wording. Just ignore
@Peace, Love and Unity Oh I'm not saying they're bad or don't do well. It's just my personal feelings. I've always preferred Sony but due to their limited availability I've had to get Samsungs. Until the XZ2 I had both a Sony and a Samsung. XZ2 is still running better than my S20. I'm sorry if you thought I'm taking a shot at the quality of Chinese devices. I'm just not going to support a communist economy and I've been very particular about where the stuff I buy comes from.
@@gizmohungry9739 I'm curious, what about this post made you consider it to be a bot? You do know a large portion of the world has been avoiding China and their products for decades, have you heard of the "buy local" initiatives started during the 1990s in many countries? It was started to encourage local employment of resources rather than the inevitable production being done in China.
Please be more clear that your concern for human rights and social compassion are important in deciding what tech to buy, Chinese business practices and commercial success are not a communistic approach, but hold a mirror to the business practices and norms of the West. Unfortunately. (Hoping you extend your boycott of Chinese produce to include Apple Computer’s hardware 😉).
Amazing review! You helped me choose the... Non, lol, we don't get any of them in my country. Recently we got VIVO here but only the midd models, i guess they are checking the market so hopefully in the future we will see the flagships. Basically we have only Samsung, IPhone and a lot midd laners of different brands and I don't want neither. So, I'll wait, and wait, and wait... Amazing job man, you clearly know what you are doing 👏
Awesome, man!!!!!! Throw in a pickle 6 pro in there for s&g lol... Also, i have to agree with the higher focal length equivalent on phones, stepping back with my Pixel 6 pro and switching to the 4x is just *chef's kiss* Camera competition with the Xiaomi and vivo is super exciting!!! Everyone about to up their game!! Lol Super good video, Juan!
awesome review! It was just announced that the 12S Ultra will not be sold outside China. This leaves me with the X80 Pro - but what holds me back are reports of overheating (and subsequent throttling) and bad battery life. Is that something you have experienced?
The X80 pro does have heating problems , but so do many Sd 8 gen plus 1 phones. With so much processing , it heats up sometimes. Cools fast too. Gaming etc is flawless , never heats up during it.
🔥🔥 absolutely stunning photography on handheld pocket computers that allows you to even make a call! Imagine such a huge and powerful sensor on an LG (with the manual prowess it LG brought to the game)🤤🥺. Really enjoyed the showdown
Great video on the photography perspective! However I'm left wondering what's your experience with video? Do they support top tier features like 4K 120fps? Slow motion from all of the sensors? Would you say they are clearly above than a OnePlus 10 Pro?
Thankyou for this video, it is sad that most people have not evolved from the point an shoot mentality as the only mode of photography. Please keep doing your analytical comparisons as they are needed to educate people about what they posses so that they get the most out of them.
i just landed on your channel through suggestions and now i feel like i have seen your videos or something like gsmarena reviews/videos 2 -3 years back but right now I'm not able to recall it, anyways i have subscribed, very informative review, perfect roasting too. 👍
I'm on Mint right now, and the X80 Pro seemed to work well on LTE. I have TERRIBLE LTE coverage around me, and it's definitely missing some bands, but it worked.
A statement about 12s: It is not consistent, but when it hits, it hits hard. So basically it is not very good with a few impressive exceptions now and then. But I don't agree and have another statement: If you are a hard hitter, it often hits hard. This means that a photographer or a good amateur will often get very fine results that will match or, especially with the main lens, will quite often be many times better than Samsung and iPhone. I think that if you are not good at taking photos other smartphone brands might be better at optimizing your images. But if you are a good amateur or photographer, 12s (and X80 Pro) makes a big difference, because they can see its potential and use it.
Bright night photos are not an issue IF they are sharp. The problem is when the night photo is unnaturally bright and also has bright grey noisy shadows and thick blurry edges on objects.
That's the progress we're seeing though. Would you expect sharp edges on a 7 second exposure from a standalone camera. Especially if there's ANY breeze? What about a five shot bracket? How sharp will those edges be when you stack those images in photoshop or affinity? That image of Soundwave took me three tries, with my camera on a tripod, to get a bracket that lined up perfect and had sharp details. The vivo produced a better finished jpeg handheld on the first try.
@@SomeGadgetGuy I would not and I understand that. But the other problem I have with modern processing is that if I have a tripod handy, I would like a normal manual long exposure, not stacking or other tricks of any kind. Just a longer exposure and I can't do that with modern phones, I can't turn it all off. On LG G4 for example, I can select 1s exposure and the light it captures will be nice and smooth, edges will be sharp. Because it's one continuous shot. I get that modern requirements are different though and what modern phones can do is marvelous. Both options would be best
Of course you can turn it off. How do you think I got the dark shots? If you have a tripod, just flip to the manual mode and shoot a longer exposure. Both phones support long exposures up to 30 seconds.
It doesn't on the LG. If you want a jpg, the camera is going to "process" the RAW file. ALL cameras make decisions on light and color and noise reduction when making a jpg. But if you want an image like the G4, the Xiaomi will have roughly a three stop advantage. Shooting at night, what you need a tripod for on the G4, to shoot a one second exposure, you can create a similar looking image on the Xiaomi in one third the time, and with better pixel level detail, and with better noise grain. So, when the phone finishes off a JPG, it's going to look a LOT different on the Xiaomi, because you're starting with a MUCH different (and better) base of info. That's not a problem with "processing", that the natural evolution of camera hardware improving our ability to resolve an image. I'm a HUGE fan of classic LG phones, and the G4 was a beast of a camera, but if that's your frame of reference, we've evolved RADICALLY since then. If you're already comfortable using a tripod, and you're worried about the (excellent) image processing on modern phone camera apps, you should really start editing the RAW files. You're already doing the hardware work to lug a tripod, the software work isn't that much to add, and you'd have more control over your final output.
Somehow your night samples for the xiaomi look way better than the ones from the vivo. Nice video, I reached way different conclusions from your samples, though
Thanks for the awesome details. Please z always put the comparison photos side by side for better comparison. Our short term memory can't remember everything in that precision. Thanks for your video. Next, you should try Google Pixel 7 vs Xiaomi 12S Ultra. Beta wishes from India 🇮🇳 Subscribed!
Have you done reviews on the Huawei P40 pro? I can't find it and I would be really interested in opinion because I recently bought one and the camera comparison to my S22 ultra really shocked me, especially considering the P40 pro is from 2020🤷♂️
Juan i love your explainations. Thanks 🙏🙏🙏 One of my best youtubers 👍 One question i want to by a phone X80 pro Xiaomi 12s ultra Or wait After the next iPhone 14 ?
If you're into photography first and foremost, I doubt Apple is going to bring much new to the table on the 14. SERIOUSLY doubt we'll see the sensor improvements which we just take for granted on premium android.
*These comment would never fit on Twitter* I've used the p30 pro since 2019. This year I decided to change my phone for a newer one. I ended up with the x70 pro+ (these names are getting ridiculous) even though there was already the x80 pro. The wide angle camera on a gimbal make more sense to >my< use then a 2x zoom on a gimbal. And then xiaomi release this phone. I admit, the specs aficionado that lives inside my not rational me was so jealous. But then again, I look at these side by side, I look at the real differences between those two and, more importantly, I look at my real use of the cameras and I'm pretty sure I did the right choice. And I made it not because of pixel peeping, cold and abstract specs. I made it because of good and realistic comoarasions that take in consideration the real uses of these cameras. And the only place that I find those real tests and real debate about it is here. If now I have a vivo x70 pro plus (I lost my breath just saying these name) and I'm really happy with it, its because I chose it based on your reviews and analysis. Your channel, and all your bragging and rants, are one of the few places where I can find real information, real comparasions and real opinions from people who talk about photo, not hypes and out of context numbers that look great on paper. As a photographer for more then 15 years that just recently fell in love with photo on smartphones (not THAT recently, I just kept my 1020 and after that my p30 pro for too long), here is one of the few places that I sense that the RU-vidr are talking the same dialect as I do. And it's a great place to be and get some good ideas, informations and analysis. Thanks for doing a really good job and helping me to find out a really good camera to have in my pocket. You are awesome! **Gif from Meryl Streep stand ovation**
And I just realized that I talked this much and didn't say what I wanted from the start: great video! Awesome cameras. Can't wait for the second generation of this partnership between Leica and xiaomi. With better post processing and all they will learn from this first generation of really huge sensors. The future o cameras on smartphones never looked so interesting!! What a time to be a photographer! ❤️
- What are your last words on this Earth, dear Juan? - *aVurAj cUnzoOmEr* 🤪 - He died a hero . 😎 As a trophy, we'll uplift that MegaPickle , for the glory of kUmPioutAshional fOtOgrwaphy .🏆
I'm so torn. It's my first time to purchase a flagship phone, and I can't decide between the two. My current phone is Redmi note 10 pro, I love the MUI. But the night pictures that you can take with Vivo X80 is just mind blowing! Both phones are excellent. Somebody help me
Comparing to M4/3 camera. Bokeh is comparable to kit lenses, any prime or pro lens just destroy these two in terms of bokeh quality. Image processing is a bit harsh on these two phones. I would said if someone is looking to step into photography, the better option in my opinion is EM5mk2 plus Olympus 25mm prime to start with. You can stack images, you have bulb mode, you have high res picture mode. You have still the best IS in the business. Plus this is still pocketable combo. However if you limited to smartphones only, these two are not bad. ;)
