XX Legion 'Alpha Legion': Origins & History (Wahammer 40K & Horus Heresy Lore) 

Lamb priceles

@Yaroslav L And boops. Dont forget the boops!

I think you just won the Internet

I mean... That may be literally true

Maybe the real legion was the friends Alpharius made along the way.

Will Rogers I don’t get it

@@stephenpaccone8120 Alpharius in disguise intensives

SeraphimRoad lol I’m new to this game , I’m just really enjoying the lore and the community seems to have a wonderful sense of humor , hail ceasar

Or maybe more like: Raven Guard 1: We are the night, we are the shadow, we are the last thing the enemy sees before his death! Raven Guard 2: HAIL HYDRA! *BLAM BLAM BLAM*

@@Skylifter1000 Hydra Dominatus!

Say what you want about kurz but he was very clear about it too lol.

@Fenrir to include conrad as it turns ot lol

@Fenrir and was he wrong?????

Konrad had a "nose" for liars. it's part of why he was supposed to be the Emperor's "inescapable judge/judgement"

Konrad thought his own shadow was a bit dodgy.

That's true, and aside from that, don't forget the memes! :D

I think the alpha legions aren't traitors. I think they're the emperor's long game. Stabbing chaos in the back at literally every turn. My best example is "Vraks" where the alpha legions feeds literally dozen or two warbands of bunch of different traitor groups including plague marines, and iron warrior warbands, and the best yet is they feed traitor TITANS into a campaign that they know will end in imperial victory. Causing basically an entire traitor titan legion to be lost, multiple warbands almost completely destroyed, if not completely...And then sat back and watched the show. It was the most troll move possible. And the best part is because they made it seem like it was an actual fight, no one on the traitor side would be the wiser that they were fed into a perfect killing zone.

@@NeiasaurusCreations They are full on traitors, read some of the newer stuff about them, specifically about the Unsung. They pretty much hate the emperor and think the whole of the imperium are idiots beneath them. GW is also retconning some of the "I am Alpharius" memes and they are more or less a proper Traitor Legion. If they still have a grand plan it's probably to take over the whole imperium rather than leave it to the Emperor, other Primarchs or Abaddon.

@@nitogame I dunno know. Alpha legion has always been seemingly betraying other legions. I don't think they can retconn everything like the alpha legion feeding more traitors into vraks despite knowing it was a one way trip for most of them. Besides, I don't particularly enjoy massive retcons. But I was again referring to the iron warriors that switched back to the imperium and sacrificed their lives for it.

The people that think they are unironically loyal need to rethink their mental state

I am alpharius.

he might have not said it, but are you sure he wasnt thinking it????????????? im alphy btw

I am alpharius

The idiot I am alpharius died the moment he did.

Occulus can't be Alpharius because *I* 'm -not- Alpharius Actually I'm not Omegon

But aren't we all alpharius?

I approve of this. I am Alpharius.

Maybe he's Alpharius pretending to be Omegon pretending to be Alpharius?

Lol

Imagine "I'm dirty Dan" but instead of dirty Dan it's alpharius

If he was really a legionaire, he wouldnt need 3 companies, just a shuttle to go down, and accept surrender from the suspiciously New leader of the local government

@@ilyesistvan8331 oh no he would use the 3 companies, the planet is in such a chaotic state that it will cause casualties amongst the marines

It’s an amusing meme that the supposed ultimate masters of infiltration seemingly can’t help but immediately identify themselves as Alpharius

🤣🤣

Genuinely enjoyed this comment, thank you friend 🙏.

"Even Me!" *BLAM*

@@ackbarreserve He will turn red any moment now . . .

Björn vom Hörn there, you see! Red! Oh wait...that's blood.

What are you, president of his fan club or somethin'?

@@craigstoddart5684 zat would be your muzzair.

Wraped in a crazy conspiracy theory that no one would believe

We. Are. Not. Alpharius.

Wrapped in a burrito..

Well see their remembrancer is Alpharius so he already knows the score

@@raycearcher5794 It's brilliant! Since we're all Alpharius, we all know the real story!

What if most of the Remembrancers were Alpha Legion operatives the whole time and thus most of what we know about the Great Crusade is all a lie created by the Alpha Legion?

@@StylesV13 Finally someone noticed.

@@StylesV13 I am not alpharius.

Or was it

So all we learned is that they popped out of nowhere, they are masters of stealth and confusion, they master several styles of warfare and they all refer themselves as Alpharius as the origin of their name and a bit of their modus operandi, while we still ignore their numbers, all of their actual origins, organization, goals and we barely know their allegiance.

You would say anything, whoever you are. Your words have lost meaning in their absence of veracity. No man rationally looks for truth, or lies, in white noise. No loyal citizen of the Imperium would give you a willing audience. Your fate is your own making. Being Chaos spawn is no prerequisite in order to have a forked tongue, being greater than Chaos is required in order not to. I know who you are not, "Son." I know not who you are.

Probably. But then again maybe not.

@@ManEmperorofMankind I didn't ask to be created in your gene labs, Dad. Or did I?

Alpharius my lord primarch! Why are We so fucking sneaky about everything?

Who knows...

The Alpha Legion Gene flaws. Pathological lying and cleptomania. All that shiny unaccounted for new gear does not come out of nowhere after all.

Thanks so much! Genuinely delighted I can help take the edge off a long commute. That's very affirming to hear :)

Scrap code? Are you committing heresy

Might have been, not anymore... i think they lost the way to that path

@@cerberus9832 or what if thats what they want you to think?

@@Gallalad1 yeah no i dont think that, they may be masters of deception but no one can deceive the great powers of the warp and the noble chaos gods

@@cerberus9832 that's what the chaos god's think.

@@Gallalad1 it is what they know especially since the alpha legion has turned for the most part to the god Tzeentch.. if you dont believe it go read "the eye of terror"

And honestly I... I.. Did not need to know or picture the existence of such a being. Thank you.

Schrodinger’s Alpharius

I can confirm your not. As hes most assuredly headless with his own spear up his gullible ass.

@@texasallstar6969 ...or is he?

@@texasallstar6969 well yes but actually I am alpharius.

We all are

man we might be able to trace the account of the real alpharius from that dislike

@sgfhk321 "every where I look all I find is lies" through the immaterium whispering voice states "Just As Planned"

haha yeah i slaved over that scene to no end in my brain

...or lost track of it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are / were among LARGEST legions, especially considering attrition.

All is all

Now all that is settled what about all the other stuff we all need to do all away once???

Absolutely Alpharius

In the end, the true Alpharius is the friends we made along the way.

Except for when we are all Omegon. Only when we are all Omegon are we all Alpharius.

Don't worry, I am well.

Sometimes it gets lonely knowing that there isn’t a soul that truly knows me.

What book was the Dark Angels conversation?

The books with the alpha legion are so damn good...

@@Serpentaxuk I'm looking forward to them!

Scare and this one was a heavy one 😂

Never forget, the tragedy that occurred that day, at the behest of the xenos, by the hand of the traitor Alpha Legion.

They certainly are! .... or are they?

I was wondering the same myself and then I got to thinking. And honestly this seems very plausible, my own theory was that the emperor was secretly funneling resources from forgeworlds and having the techpriests lie about " manufacturing issues " and " faulty batches with the newer models ". Maybe it was a combination of both?

I'm Alpharius and so's my wife!

Sup

The picture may take artistic licence but it's canon that the XX Legion DID literally intercept and divert shipments of Mk.VI Corvus armour to it's assets as it was literally fresh off the production lines.

The XV as well -- their fall is tragic, and Magnus was meant to sit the Golden Throne. He'd need his sons to do it -- a legion that would have served as /his/ Custodians.

@@jonsalvadori6275 dunno if the Legion were needed for Magnus to do the golden throne/webway thing and if it came to sacrificing them I feel like Magnus was/is a ends justify the means kida guy.

@@matthewmcneany i wrote this post just before I finished "Fury of Magnus." The new solar war novella. Suffice to say, no spoilers: you were right, I was wrong. Literally cried a little on finishing it, because /that/ was not what I expected at all.. Spoiler below. Emps made magnus the offer to return to his side, no problem. All it would cost Magnus was the Thousand Sons -- /his/ sons. He did not accept the offer, and that's why history turned out this way.

@@jonsalvadori6275 You've inadvertently set off my 40k lore rant mode (appologies in advance): I'm a big fan of the (somewhat more oldschool) 'no one piece of 40k lore is definitive' school of thought and if you have to creativly interpret something to justify a cool or interesting hypothesis that fits whatever narrative you think is best for a character then don't worry about it - 40k is about saying whatever sh*t sounds cool at the time and (maybe) working out the details after the fact. Characters in 40k can be pretty inconsistent over the 30+ years or whatever they've been writing and it's way more important to have fun with the lore, games and models than it is to "be correct" - If you can come up with a justification for seeing something a particular way even if its a minority opinion then there's an in universe justification for some heretical sect in the inquesition or rogue Astartae chapter believing it. If you want to exlore a paricular action a particular character took because it doesn't fit into you head cannon then that's a worthwile and genuinely intersting way to engage with the lore. Or at least that's my 2 cents when it comes to lore. I haven't read 'Fury..' though I'm aware of the relevant lore point (and hear the book is really well written) but there's two points I think: Firstly, He made that decision in that context but he could have made a differnt one in a differnt context, even faced with the same choice - people (even demi-God people) are like that. But back to my broader point - it kinda comes down to (my opinion - shared by some people in the community that) all lore is esentially a single perspective of events from narrators of varying degrees of unreliablilty - which is why retcons should be such a non-issue. The question of if an event happened the way it was told in a certain novel, army book, etc. is always up for debate imo.I know not everyone like this idea but I think its one reason the franchise has lasted and grown and I find the fact that everyone has their own (slightly) differnt headcannon kinda neat. Back to Magnus, if someone wanted to - not saying that you should see it this way but as an specific example of what I'm trying to say someone could do this - Use the loyalist Space marine codex and build an army armoud a splinter cell of loyalist thousand sons (and/or Blood Ravens) chapter who's absolute belief in the goodness of their primarch and loyalty to the Emperor protects them from Rubric and who through some prophetic vision think they know the actual truth of Magnus' downfall (which can be whatever crazy theory you want it to be - or even who believe that he did nothing wrong _and are in your own headcannon wrong about that fact_ but their belief leads them down some tragic or heroic path - indeed what could be more apt and tragic than some successors to the thousnad sons who are seeking forbidden knowledge that doesn't exist in a vain attempt to prove litterally everyone else in the galaxy wrong and never will) - and all of that is to me more at least as interesting an idea as someone who says: I'm going to play a standard Thousand Son's chaos warband - not that playing/building a standard lore army can't also have really interesting themes and stories to explore too. I've always thought that the point of 40k is to give (alright sell) people the tools to tell whatever stories they want to tell, and part of the point about the traditional scope and scale and vagueness of 40k is so there's deliberately room for the werid and niche stories alongside the 'Fall of Cadia's even when they seem contradictory. Somewhere deep in the Grim darkness of the far future there's anything and everything your imagination can create. Anyway, that's my way too overthought 40k lore TED talk. tl;dr telling fun stories is the most important thing by far.

@@matthewmcneany In my head, Magnus is the key figure in the whole Horus Humbug, and he's the reason I really got deep into the lore for HH. I own all the books. All of them, lol -- it's a lot of shelf space. He's the "best" of the primarchs because he didn't mean to get suckered into chaos, didn't like it, and wishes most of all for redemption. He's the only one whose fall was actually really tragic. Probably I identify with him so much because I too made similar mistakes -- I thought I could dabble in darkness (drugs sex gambling etc) and that I was strong enough that all those warnings about the dangers were for someone else -- someone weaker and dumber than I was. Darkness consumed me for ten years, and redemption has been a much harder road to travel. My XVth guys are a lighter shade of blue, because I've never believed the Thousand Sons to be anything other than a tragic story -- they're not evil. They're not even misguided. They just made a series of bad decisions.

If it were true the Oculus would have fallen down some stairs long before he could release this recording to the archives.

*(Both Fists In The Air)*

Hydra dominatus

Or maybe it doesn't need one. I mean, it was written in the perspective of Alpharius.