@issams1956 OK brother here is the lyrics: ياطير ياطاير يارايح عالديرة تحميك عيوني وتصونك عين الله, والله يامسافر شعلانة هالغيرة فلسطين بلادي حلوة ياماشا الله ميل ع صفد حول ع طبرية لا عكا وحيفا سلم ع بحرها وماتنسى الناصرة هالقلعة العربية صبرلي بيسان برجعة آنيها على جنين وذوقلي مرجها سلام ل نابلس وطول كرم وترابها من مينا يافا اشرب من ميتها رمله ورام الله ماتنسى ضياها ع كنيسة المهد بتلاحم حويه على خليل وهدي ب كرمها في بير السبع ع الربع سلملي تحيا اريحا بنخلها وكرمها ,
@1995amittai1 In Arabic , we use the word NAKBA , which means catastrophe , to express the collapse of Palestine in 1948 and the expulsion of nearly 1 million Palestinians ... This event is part of Arab modern history and particularly Palestinians' history . Every one has a tale to tell ...
Ab3at ma3al LaqLaq min almaniyya salaami ila bilaadi il ma7boubah, ila bilaadi il mu7tallah, ilal 3ard il 3ralyeh il makhsoubah. Dumu3i li 7obbi li rabbi wa ilal watan il 3raali. Ma tebki 3aleenah ya Felesteen low 3ribnah 3annik anti wa 7obnah laki da'iman fil gulubnah. Palestinian 4 Life! What had begun with injustice will never become justice!!!
@Arabmanly as i said every new immigration has problems at start and the Ethiopians are still immigrating yet this is less of discrimination... they are equal righted but the country isn't helping them to climate as you can see i checked and quoted a dictionary...
@1995amittai1 Nakba Day isn' t a religious celebration . It is a national celebration for the Palestinian nation . Nakba Day is celebrated by both Christian and Muslim Palestinians . Palestinian nationalism has nothing to do with your religion , which you don't practise since you' re an atheist .
As months go past, i connect more with Arabic culture and most importantly, ISLAM. I wish to submit into Islam as a servant of God. The closest mosque is +300km away, so i will have to wait at least a year so i can move. Until then, knowledge is power. And the Qur'An is what i must focus on!
Inshallah, God willing, He makes it easier for you! Appreciate all your efforts into this new exploration. Some mosques may have online contact, you could reach out for better access!
@1995amittai1 Nakba day is part of Palestinians ' holidays . I never said all the Arabs celebrate this day ... When the Tunisian dictator fell , the Egyptians rejoiced and began demonstrating against their own dictator ...We are part of the same nation , the Arab nation .
@Tomislavv2 The Canaanites and the Philistines never disappeared . They remained on this very land of Philistia or Canaan . The Canaanites and the Philistines are the ancestors of the Palestinians .
@1995amittai1 There are still some RACIAL/ ETHNIC discrimination against Ethiopian Jews ... Race and ethnic group are synonyms ! You can check it in any English dictionary .
@Tomislavv2 Hebron is in the West bank region/area ... The Jordan river has two banks. The west bank is the land to the west of the Jordan river . The prophet Ibrahim is a Muslim and and an Arab from Iraq whether you like it or not. There was no European Jew in Palestine in ancient times . There has never been a state named Israel in ancient times .
@1995amittai1 The pronunciation of Modern Hebrew has nothing to do with Classical Hebrew . Some pronounce modern Hebrew with a Mizrahi accent while others pronounce it with a Yiddish accent . Israeli speak a different Hebrew whether they are Ashkenazim or Mizrahim .
@Tomislavv2 Honestly truth is out . I don't need to put references because every one knows the difference between lies and truth . Palestine belongs to the Palestinians , truth shines through ...
@Arabmanly "You' re a Mizrahi , you' re an outsider" racism "your parents or grandparents were not born in Palestine" news flash: a LOT of ashkenazim and mizrahim grandparents werent born in israel it has since the mizrahim made that dish in israel just like hamburgers are german but they are the american national dish
@Tomislavv2 The Philistines never disappeared . They mixed with the Canaanites and adopted the Canaanite culture . Their blood and spirit run through the veins of the Palestinian people ! Philistine ---> Filisteen !!!
@Arabmanly was called israel and Canaan even before it was called palestine so... "You can change the name of the country ( this is only a fake identity ) but you won' t change the true identity"
@1995amittai1 I ' m not talking about "Israel " .I' m talking about Palestine . Palestine belongs to the Palestinians , this is a truth which is self-evident .
@Arabmanly and modern hebrew is just refreshing the old hebrew and nothing more they didn't invent anything but took the bible languge and corrected it to fit to modern times
@1995amittai1 I ' m talking about the pronunciation of certain consonants and vowels . I ' m talking about the Mizrahi and the Ashkenazi accents . I ' m not talking about the spelling nor the alphabet .
@1995amittai1 The Philistines settled along the coast of Canaan during the reign of Ramses lll (1186-1155 BC ) .They led a coalition of 5 cities , the Pentapolis . Moreover southern coastal Canaan was called Philistia . The Philistines gave their name to this land , Palestine : Philistines ---> Filisteen .
@1995amittai1 You' re a Mizrahi , you' re an outsider , your parents or grandparents were not born in Palestine . Falafel is an Arab dish , it has nothing to do with the Jews .
@Arabmanly i misinterpreted the word "outsider" most israeli jews indeed came from outside of israel yet there were some who lived here (like my great grandmom) the burgers is a great example for a cultural dish that didn't originated in the culture and as my friend proved jews lived here before the arabs
@Arabmanly YES!!! it doesn't matter what our color is genetic research prove we came from the same origin plus we answer the definition of an ethnic group!!!
@Arabmanly i researched this Shlomo Sand indeed he is a professor of history although he has a PhD i couldn't find any Academic publishing, articles and so on what i could find was many contradictions to his book by scientists such as "Abraham's Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry" found in the American Journal of Human Genetics check it out
@Arabmanly yes they do share the same rituals as i said they celebrate the same holidays, speak the same languge and so forth and i use the word holocaust because this is the translation of the word to english in israel we say shoah go there and see for your self
@Arabmanly C) Ethnicity and race are synonyms ethnic: "connected with or typical of a particular race or RELIGION" "In biology, races are distinct genetically divergent populations within the same species with relatively small morphological and genetic differences." so no they don't but even so the jews answer this classification since they are genetically resemble
@Arabmanly i don't know nothing about it and don't know when it was decided and on what matter but how does it have something to do with our debate? i want to remind you... we are on the debate if the palestinians do own israel and can claim it theirs
@1995amittai1 In the Hebraic Bible , it is said that a lot of misfortunes fell upon the heads of the Israelites and of the Judeans ...I ' m not sure it is a good idea to restart the same story ... Jewish people should learn from the past and not make the same mistakes again ... What' s the name of the video you' re recommending me ?? I can' t understand this shibboleth...
@Arabmanly just because the mikra interpreted historical events of that in a religious way doesn't necessarily mean that those books have no historical worth i obviously won't use the story of the creation of the world as a base for my arguments but the mikra is proven to be reliable plus the events i mentioned are approved by historians one prove of it being reliable is the structure i mentioned i'm an atheist because i do't think that god created the world and all that fairy tales but yes
@Arabmanly That's right, im an atheist but i do believe in my native land, just like the Italians feel closeness to italy or the Germans to Germany even though they can be atheists and can believe in different beliefs from their fore fathers the basis of the jewish land is a protecting home for the jews and thats exactly what this is and thats exactly what we need (and many historical events prove it)
@Arabmanly do you know what your talking about? have you learned hebrew? all the jews that i know (black and white) speak the same hebrew if you'll open the bible you will see that it has the same base there are a lot of words taken from the bible!
@Arabmanly and by the way i suggest you won't use this argument since a) today many arabian countries are much less democratic than israel and there are thousand of examples for that B) it has nothing to do with our debate i e: do the jews have the right to live in iisrael and form a state or is it owned by the arabs of the region?
@1995amittai1 Mizrahim have their own Judaism . They didn't speak Yiddish nor German nor Russian . Ashkenazim have nothing in common with the Mizrahim . The first are Europeans . The second ones came from the Arab world .
@Arabmanly for his rights is still American no matter what as you saw the jews ARE an ethnic group but like every large group that is bigger than 10 people there are small disagreements within it that was a racial argument and not an ethnic one... they felt a part of the jewish people
@Arabmanly When the jews lived in arabian land some of their culture was mixed with the jews they are the arabian version of the jews and so they didn't stole it but they were exposed to the dish and they didn't stole palestine since they lived in it before the arabs and my friend explained it better than me by the way
@Arabmanly so you offer us to fight the majority of Europe? with what army? that was a great idea going to our forefathers country and establish our own country there when the jews came in the aliyot they built farms in israel and didn't fight arabs... thats not their goal...
@Tomislavv2 The first time in history that an Arab/ true Semite came to the land of Canaan was the settlement of Nabi Ibrahim and his people in the region of Khalil /Hebron ... He came from Ur ( today's Iraq ). He is the ancestor of the Palestinian people . Hebrew/ Ibri came from the name Ibrahim . The Hebrews never were Ashkenazim who spoke Yiddish !
@Tomislavv2 Palestinian Nationalism developed and sharpened against 2 enemies; the British imperialists and their allies, the Zionists in the 1930s and later... Before the Palestinians believed they were part of the great Arab nation . Arab nationalism failed against the French and the British imperialists , who chose to separate Palestine, Lebanon , Jordan from Syria. Divide and rule, that's the colonial strategy.
@1995amittai1 The books of the Maccabees are part of the Bible for the Orthodox Christians . The first 2 books are part of the Bible for the Catholics ... That ' s another debate ... They aren' t part of the Hebraic Bible , it depends on which Bible we are talking about ... Aretas I , Tyrants of the Arabs , was an ARAB ! That was my point ...
@Arabmanly yet not all arabs remember that day and express their feelings together for it since you are not all part of a big ethnic group (if it wasn't obvious from all the cultural difference between the arabian population in the world) jews how ever do stand in the definition of ethnic group
@Arabmanly a bad argument is an argument that both sides of the debate can use and it will still be good im not talk about "palestine". i'm talking about israel. israel belongs to the jews, this is a truth which is self-evident.
@1995amittai1 You said it ! Canaan was the ancient name of Palestine . Palestinians are the true legitimate descendants of the Canaanites . Canaan was called Palestine by the Romans a long long time ago ... No most Palestinians didn' t come from the Arabian peninsula . Palestinians were speaking Aramaic ( like Jesus ) before the Muslim conquest . After the Muslim conquest they became arabized , became Arabic speakers .
@1995amittai1 Shoah means catastrophe . Shoah belongs to the Ashkenazi history . Mizrahim didn't face Shoah because they were living in the Arab world . Holocaust means sacrifice by fire to God but you're an atheist ... As an Arab , it would be very hard for me to go to ...Palestine cuz it 's been under Israeli occupation since 1948 .
@Arabmanly Pass over, Rosh Hashana, Hanuka, Yom Kipur and the holocaust day Hanuka, pass over and the holocaust day speak of the oppression of the jews through out the history. just as some people celebrate Christmas because its a family tradition we celebrate pass over even though we are atheists... its part of who we are judaism is an ethnic group zionism is the jewish nationality (and judaism is an ethnic group) in the synagogue jews spoke hebrew... they knew this languge back than
@Tomislavv2 Christians and Muslims in Palestine share the same language and history , they are part of the same nation whether you like it or not . Muslims never invaded the land but the people of the Palestine chose to became Muslim , a minority remained Christian. The Palestinians are the native people of this land, the Zionists are the invaders and the settlers .
@Arabmanly cute but no "Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." it is obvious that there are ethnic groups and races but to think "that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race" is racism
@Arabmanly but yes i think there are some biblical stories that have use for many researches is it me or from all the facts and arguments i throw at you the only thing you seem to remember is me being an atheist? i know im interesting but please let's stick to the subject :)
@1995amittai1 When the Jews were persecuted in Europe ( I agree with you about the history of repeated persecution in Europe ) , they were welcome in the Maghreb and in the Ottoman Empire . The Sephardim were granted refuge in Islamic countries .Salonika was mainly a Jewish city because the Sultan let the Sephardim settle there .So no the Jews were not persecuted every where by every one . To think so is paranoia : " no matter what the Jews will do ...they will be chased down ".
@1995amittai1 You' re making a lot of anachronisms : Canaanites lived in Canaan . They are still there , their descendants are the Palestinians . By the way Canaan is also a family name in Palestine . The Philistines are mentioned during the reign of Ramses lll and settled in coastal Canaan at that time . Philistines / Palestine/ Filisteen is the same name . As I already said , the conqueror gave his name to the land : Philistines ---> Filisteen / Palestine
@Tomislavv2 The west bank of the Jordan river has always been named the West bank whether you like it or not . The Jordan river has always had 2 banks the East and the West banks ! You don't know ANYTHING about geography either ...
@Arabmanly an historical document and i didn't say it what i did say was that the mikra is a reliable source of information it is proven that it is about actual events that happened in that time and as you noticed and even describes existing structures and events that involve them although it is a very reliable source people still look at it with critical eye and that's why for example i didn't claim to know where the jews came from (even though the torah presented an explanation it's not
@Arabmanly and while your on it please give us a good argument why israel and do belongs to the palestinians and don't use contradicted arguments unless you can prove them to be true
@Arabmanly The arabian people aren't an ethnic group palestinians have nothing to distinguish them self from other arabs but their belief that they own israel this is called a Civic nationalism
@Arabmanly no... the jews moved to israel to be protected it was a place that they had emotions to plus it was agreed they will move there (balfour statement) there also was a jewish community in israel back than i call them arabs because thats the only thing they really are
@Arabmanly colored but we are still from the same group the palestinians on the other hand have nothing to distinguish them from other arabs and that's a civic nationality (which with it's ideology i disagree). and as an ethnic group they have their native land which they wish to settle in (just like italians with italy)
@1995amittai1 The Palestinians don' t own " the Land of Israel "( this is a religious formula borrowed from the Torah ) BUT they are the legitimate owners of the land called Palestine . There is A Palestinian people . There is a land called Palestine . Zionists ' claims on Palestine were based on the Torah and yet most of them were Atheists ( Herzl ...) !
@Arabmanly in most arabian countries it is illegal to be anything but muslim.... no matter who will you qoute israel is still much democratic than most arabian countries and that's why we got 3 noble peace prizes while most arabian countries have 0
