Hello! Thank you for your effort on comparing the two bikes. I have my F900XR since 3 years now, I did 11000 kilometers with it, and I have been listening to many reviews and comparisons to T9 since I decided to switch to one of them. I have had a strong dillema on which to choose and compared all pros and cons I learned from the reviews and articles, to help me make my decission and I have to say, that all the coparisons are highly incomplete, inacurate and strongly subjective which makes a lot of confusion. There are many small factors missed out whereas some mentioned ‘facts’ are repeated and pointed out although they highly depend on personal experience and skill level and should not be taken seriously. As a F9XR owner I would like to share my experience with you and enrich the review with some detailed additions. In short I can say: The T9 drive feels more impetuous and impulsive than the F9XR. If performance and adrenaline is what you are looking for in this segment, pick the T9. It is more lively and thus a little faster. If you look for a predictable and refined bike that does not surprize you much, yet is still very fast, pick the F9XR. The F9XR is more balanced whereas the T9 is a bit more sporty. All other features are very simmilar on both with pros and cons for each depending on your needs and bike use. The differences are minimal, but the minor things may change your mind! The ergonomics is strongly subjective! You should put your @$$ on each and experience the fit before making the decission. All the details about pegs position, back position, windshield and the looks etc. are worthless in my opinion as they will do differently on each person. In long: I like my F9XR for: - predictable and balanced ride experience. Its easy to ride, gives much more confidence and a feeling of safety. In corners it is super stable, and it does not lean too easily - you need to put more effort to lean low, compared to T9, which gives me the feeling of better control and stability of every degree I want to go. If I am not willing to make a fast-pace cornering, it just gently flows through the corner perfectly. I expect that feel from a sport-tourer bike, and so does my passanger, when we go through mountain twisties with full bags on. The basic version is equipped with steering damper, hidden under the fairing. It is still very fast and nible, you will only see the displayed speed on the display and I enjoy the track days with it from time to time. - having the carry capacity of 100% of its own weight, which is 220kg! Off course I can addjust the rear suspention to these needs. I cannot set the front forks, but I have never felt that I needed to. - the braking performance. The brakes are razorsharp when needed, but the engine-brake suport is very strong and enough in many cases so I can easily operate with throttle position only in most road sections (off course not in every case!). - the display, information it gives and the reliability of any BT connection. The bike is a HUB for all my devices: phone, two intercoms and a separate GPS which I do not use. They just connect flawlessly with no issues at all - I just sit on, turn all devices on, wait a few seconds and it just works - turnOn&go. The menu in the TFT display is very intuitive and clear. Aside from the obvious information it shows me directions from my Connected app navigation with names, arrows, distance, lane positions and voice info, so I can actually keep my phone in the jacket. This is very useful on short rides in places you don’t know e.g. quick ride to a shop or a gas station in an unknown area - quick jump on and go. I can easily add any POI on my route or near it or modify the stops of my route within seconds. I also know the tire pressure from the sensors. The access to all bike information I can possibly need or make a call during a ride is within 2-4 clicks with one manipulator. Selecting music is also easy, but I recommend to stop in this case… rarely ride after dark. I also like that the display gives me information, and does not look at me... The rev-light in the display is very useful, and its intensity can also be changed to one’s preference. - fuel consumption. My best minimum is 4.1L/100km. My standard one day road trip with all kinds of roads included is 4.2. This gives me the range of 350-400km with bags on but I never reach it, as my collegues (MT-09, 600 Fazer and 1050 Sprint) are usually out of fuel by then, so we go for refuel. I do not calculate the consumption on the track. - agility. The bike is narrow and compact and handles in the city very lightly. It does not surprise me with instant gravitation increase when I make a quick dodge between cars, it just flows only and as much as I need to. The indicators are not wider than the fairing, so I won’t lose them instantly If I accidently drop the bike at the gas station ;). - the lights. When I come back in the evening, the lights switch automatically. The LEDs provide much visibility and the additional corner lights can be useful, yet I rarely ride after dark. - the ground clearance. The bike is clearly designed for asphalt off course. It handles light off-road in the forest well enough to reach some nice viewpoints, lakes etc.. But the most important for me is that it is ready to face some rough terrain, unexpected holes and road curbs when I decide and force it to go. I do not fear of losing collectors, engine or fairings when passing a curb or overcoming an unexpected road hazard. - feedback and engine sound (I hear the engine when I ride, not the exhaust) when I accelerate, especially when going 3k+ RPMs. I also love how the bike feels and gives feedback of everything I input. I love how the pegs, brake and clutch levers tell me what exactly is going on and how the engine gently trembles. - maintenance/service costs. Many opinions say by default that the maintenance costs are very high but how can you tell... I only go for a maintenance once a year due to warranty (I would have done so nevertheless) so three now. I compared my prices with my collegue’s MT-09 (dealership only) and the intervals and the prices (final, not catalog) are pretty the same (+/- 10%). I confirm though that post-buy, original accessories are more expensive than for Yamaha by +~15%. The insurance is the same as for MT-09 so probably the T9 is the same. For winter time I just clean the bike, plug the charger to a (factory equipped) socket and literally wait for summer. Very convenient. - keyless access and SOS call system. It is a goodie to have, as it makes the riding more carefree. Optional, but I have never had issues with the key or starting the bike at all. I don’t like my F9XR for: - the seat. It is fine for a track, acceptable for the amount of few-days trips I make (2-5 in a year), but up to 1,5/2 hours of a ride between intervals. My passenger says it is terrible… I am to switch to an accessory comfort seat. - the quickshifter. It could be better, smoother. There is many different feedback on the BMW’s quickshifter. In my opinion, it could have been better. - the engine sound on idle. It is kinda clunky when I stop and wait for the lights. I can live with that, but ehhh... - the prices for accessories. The original and dedicated brands are quite expensive. I can go for some cheaper substitudes. - heat blower. When it is hot, the fan blows the air on your left leg. For me it is not a problem at all, as I do not live in hot climate, but you will feel it from time to time, if you live under the sun. You should check if it is a problem for you before buying! Thanks and cheers from Poland!
Thank you very much for such a nice review on ownership experience and bikes comparison as I am also looking for the 900fxr it made it more clear for me …
Hi, great review! Stumbled over this comparison right now, as I am just deciding on whether buying the 2025 F900XR… There is one issue for me which is crucial, as I am not the driver with sport ambitions but like comfort and touring. I would anyway buy an aftermarket comfort seat so that will not be an issue. But there are lot of reviews with mixed opinions on the suspension, many saying it is too stiff and uncomfortable. What is your experience please? I would order the ESA electronic suspension, what have you got?
@@Peter-wm3zw I've owned the Gold F900XR since 2020 and just bought a Corbin touring seat for it this year, I have 26,000+km on it now. The original low profile seat was very stiff, I got it extra padding in 2023 but it still wasn't that great, so the Corbin so far I have just over a 1000km on it now and it is way better as it's a saddle type seat. I am 5'7" and 170lbs. The biggest difference I think in this review that is missing is that he didn't put the bike into dynamic more or have the USB adder to put it into sport mode (which I have), which allows dynamic ABS and sport tuning on the motor. I would bet that it puts it closer to the T9 for performance if he had it installed at the time of his review. I have full cases and am still having a blast with it. I have changed tyres on it now three times, with Continental TKC 70 Adventure on it from August 2021- October 2023 and now Dunlop Mutant's for this season. Hope that helps in your choice, look at cost of ownership overall and have a blast, ride safe!
I own a r1200gs and am looking for a lighter bike. Tried both the Tracer & XR and preferred the XR. Didn’t like the screen buffeting & footpeg position on the Tracer, although the XR not perfect as side stand feels too short. Hopefully getting an XR next year. Great comparison & review 👍
Thanks and I'm glad you liked the video. Nice that we both had quite similar feelings about the screen and the position of feet. Cheers and all the best with the XR then!
I have the bmw , I can take a few seconds longer. However I have the bluetooth connection for gps, music and even record the route to see later. In the day to day and long trips the connectivity is very useful. The bmw also has the sos call. They are similar motorcycles after each one chooses according to the use they intend to give.
Yup BMW = Superior features Yamaha = Superior mechanicals. You choose which you value obviously. I personally could not care less about gimmicky bluetooth, but i dont use my bike for commuting, i use it for fun :) Tracer with CP3 is the obvious choice if you want bulletproof reliablilty and a hoot of a tourer.
For me the most fun is to take great trips and bmw for me is much more complete. But each one buys what he wants. The good thing is that there is a lot of variety in motorcycles.
@@Surpriseify what about ergonomics? Looking for a new bike that's the holy grail between my last two bikes, a BMW r1100gs (heavy, everything is a chore, but torque in every gear and i took it on a 4000km trip with ease, and very good ergonomics) and a Kawasaki Versys 650 (a fun and nimble bike that magically turns into a naked when you take the windscreen off, could use and extra 15hp though). I'll mostly do commutes 2x50km and long holiday trips. I'm torn between the reliability and power of the Yamaha and the ergonomics of bmw
I have just bought a Tracer 9 GT Having owned the predecessor tracer 900, the test ride made me realise how different the two bikes are, the new one is much more comfortable and it’s quicker and handles like a dream, love the quick shifter, I agree with your comments about the head lights why would you set them up like that!! Still can’t wait to take delivery early January. Safe riding everyone.
Thanks for sharing, Mark. I haven't ridden the previous Tracer so you're input is especially valuable now to others who wonder. Thanks for writing about your experiences! Cheers!
Just bought the F900XR, and also compared in to the T9. I think a lot of RU-vid-Reviewers (pro Riders) like the T9 due to the stronger motor. But they just do a short review and do not need to use this bike actually for weeks and months. For me the F900 is straight the better bike as a Sports-Tourer because -105 HP are enough (if you want a powerful motor why not go for a more sports oriented bike) - handling is better (as its lower) - better display and connectivity including things like tire pressure control - its the MUCH more beautiful bike Further for me personally I got a nice offer at my local BMW dealer, and that wasnt possible at Yamaha. PS: the F900 XR you showed in this review has a modified exhaust.
It's a fact that so many things can be personal as we all have an emotional approach to things, especially in regard ot emotional items like motorcycles. The power thing could be left alone, however, since those are two super direct competitors with pretty much the same engine displacement and base price, it's hard to overlook that Tracer makes a fantastic use of surprisingly few HP more. Display and connectivity may be class-leading across all the segments for BMW - right. The look is a 100% personal thing and I understand that there are things about the Tracer that may put people off. I hate the "closed eye"/one light on design of the Tracer and that could bother me, so I get it. About the exhaust, this is a factory bike straight from a dealer and this exhaust is a factory option. Totally not worth it as it definitely doesn't sound like any kind of "normal" aftermarket exhaust. Funny thing is that the same thing happened with Ducati Multistrada V4 that came with an "accessory exhaust" and didn't sound at all. Pity. I've got no idea why they put those "aftermarket company" logos on such exhausts..
I own a Triumph Tiger Sport 660 and looking for something bigger and stronger. I saw tons of videos on YT about the Tracer and F900xr and heard lots of complaints about the display on Tracer. As I’m wearing reading glasses I was pretty much sure I wouldn’t want it just because of the small 2x3,5” dashes. Then I test rode the Tracer and I realized that it’s by far not so bad as I expected. Yes it’s still quite small and the tiny letters and a joke, but I made all the settings before the ride and didn’t have to play around with it while riding. The riding modes are easy to change with one button if necessary during the ride. The left dashboard shows all the most important information I need to see during the ride, which is speed, selected gear and the rpm. And these is perfectly visible . This changed my opinion on Tracer and I’m seriously considering buying it. I just want to test ride the f900xr as well and compare the riding position and performance of both bikes. Then I make a decision. Btw. I love you reviews, keep up the great work 👍
Thanks for sharing. I believe that the only issue with the dash is its design. But if anyone would really like the Tracer 9 and couldn't get over the display's design, then the newly introduced 9 GT+ is the way to go. For some crazy money though, but it's there as a solution. All the best in finding the right bike soon!
This was a very good review. I’m in the US and the Yamaha here is 15000 which I think is to much money for that bike. And I have seen several reviews on the BMW where people have SOLD their bikes because they say they are way under power. On paper they are close but when you ride it must be very noticeable. For that reason if I were buying BMW The 1000 would be a better choice. Great review thank you.
The difference in power between those two bikes is insignificant, i watched videos of dyno tests of stock versions of these exact bikes. The Tracer clocked 105 RWHP, whereas the BMW actually made 100 (or 101) RWHP. I definitely disagree with the multiple comments saying the Yamaha is a lot more powerful bike. This simply is not true. It's just a tradition for BMW to put closer to the real figures when it comes to engine performance, which is actually admirable.
You need to test the bikes before you can judge about the difference. I drove the CP3 and the BMW lineup (not only the F900XR) and the difference in terms of "felt performance" is huge.
Hi V-Told, thanks for nice video. I have 2 comments on extras of Tracer 9 GT. T9GT version has also semi-automatic suspension and T9 is equiped by cruise control as well :-) I know it very well, because I bought T9 few months ago :-) In my case I did not want BMW pure from financial reasons. Selling price is one thing, but service costs will be different. Thank you and I suscribe your channel. Take care, Vena-x.
Ah yes, BMW may be charging premium for their service and if you're stuck with that because of a warranty, this may hurt. I'm not sure about the numbers but likely they charge more than Yamaha. to make truly accurate evaluation, we should see the exact costs though. Those on the other hand may differ country to country and then dealer to dealer. Anyway, I hope you're happy with your Tracer! All the best!
The additional tank capacity on the Tracer is offset by the fact that the fuel consumption is about 1L per 100km more, not to mention that the Tracer requires a premium fuel grade whereas the XR is happy to run on standard grade unleaded. I think the XR could be regarded a better bike for a more conservative or “sensible” rider, and the Tracer a better bike for someone who wants a reasonably practical bike that they can also have a blast on.
Well-said about the tank vs fuel consumption as what matters in the end is range and perhaps fuel cost too. I'm not aware what it looks like for both motorcycles in a long-term in different riding conditions. Thanks for putting more light on it.
I bought tracer 9 regular last year for 11300 euros. For the difrence in price I made a GT out of him. Even better. I still have around 1000 euros to spend on equipment to match the price. It has fog light, crash bars, heated comfortable seat, quick shift, lifted handles, sw motech suitcase. Definitely better buy than BMW and GT version. Good video mate ✌
Love your videos, great breakdown always. I have a r6 trackbike and have only been doing trackdays recently. I want to get back into road riding and looking for something like this. I've had an early model mt09 and loved the engine. I also had a Versys 650 that was my favourite bike on the road believe it or not! I was just looking for a little more from that engine sometimes. So I believe the tracer is my ideal bike lol. I did want to like that f900xr (it looks amazing) but after watching this, I know it's the tracer. Keep up the videos! Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺 👍
Thanks and I'm happy that you enjoyed. I feel that this is one of those fairly rare instances that BMW isn't overall the most capable bike and Tracer may be so much more enjoyable to ride. In this comparison it would be my choice for sure. I hope this helps you and if you can - give them both a try! Some still prefer F900XR for some reasons. All the best!
Hey, Great Vid! I'll be a new subscriber. I would say regarding the Tracer everything you said was spot on.I had the 2019 Traced Gt. I enjoyed the rowdy engine, but not so much the ride. I put 15k miles on it, & did enjoy my time with the bike!
The Tracer 9 wins here but not for performance only. This F 900 XR has a relatively small tank and it overheats quickly. Also I'm a bit surprised with the 'comfort' factor here. In my experience the Tracer is more comfy in long distance. Anyway I own neither. I have F 750 GS.
Thanks for your feedback. The tank makes a difference, yet at the end of the day we should take a look at fuel consumption of both too. I haven't checked that and wouldn't even be able to do that as riding conditions were so much different for both of these bikes. I guess it's easy to carry additional fuel but it wouldn't be fun if it turned out that the reach is smaller. And that is actually possible!
I have always thought a bike is an object of passion at 360°. A good bike for me should fit well my riding needs, daily and whan I want to travel. But... I want to feel satisfied every time I see it before riding on. Does anybody has anything to say about the look of the Yamaha??? Many things about a bike end to be subjective, otherwise we would ride all the same one. So, in my opinion the 900xr is a very stilish bike and unfortunately at Yamaha (for many reason a great bike at a good price) they seem to have cared about the look of the bike at end of the project, just not to put on the market a pure mechanical product, as it was a motor saw.
I've got a Tracer 9 GT in the iconic with the Blue wheels and i love it , i know the dash is a bit of a like it or not type thing but overall i love the quick shifter and the power , i did opt for the heated seat , belly pan , engine bars and spotlights that i am still waiting for but it is a great bike , the BMW has more connectivity but servicing costs are always more expensive and i have been hearing some bad stories about the BMW with build quality, but this is only my opinion.
You know what? A long time ago whenever I heard sth bad about a given brand it put me off. But then I decided to check if the other brands/models were better than the biked I wanted to buy. So, I signed up to a number of forums and joined many groups on facebook. It turned out that some riders struggle with issues no matter the brand. Some complain abut Yamaha, others about Triumph, Suzuki, BMW GS 1250 and the famous africa twin (sometimes DCT doesn't work as it should). So, all in all, I though: there are no perfect bikes - sooner or later some problems will come up. As a result I went for bmw f750 gs, 2 seasons behind me, no issues whatsoever. But just in case... I got an extended warranty and stopped thinking about reliability. Fun is what matters most to me:-)
Yeah, I agree that everything can break and it does. If you're buying new, you don't really have to be worried about it. Now about the blue wheels, I absolutely love them. Heated seat sounds like a super cool thing to have on colder days and I imagine that for example in the UK, this could be a best-selling accessory and I'm impressed that Yamaha offers that in a Tracer. Very nice!
Love the looks of the tracer but the dual small TFT would be a big no for me. Heard many complaints about it and I need to see it easy and clear being 55 with fading eye sight lol Hope they will upgrade to a bigger single TFT
Thanks for sharing. Yamaha seems to hear customer feedback and if they actually don't decide to ignore it, there may be high chances of them improving that point. I've not heard many words praising the current design, so if they're really willing to stay as relevant as possible with this bike (with a huge potential), they should change it indeed.
Finally someone who criticized the Yamaha's ugly lights. I just don't get it. 1) Why they always use 1 low beam and 1 high beam and not pairs of them? 2) How the positioning of those lights could have been approved? Higher lights to be just day lights and cornering lights, the lower lights being 1 high beam and 1 low beam... I mean, wtf.. Is it to lower down the price of the bike?
Agree. Interestingly Suzuki has the same concept. Maybe there is a legality problem to have 2 lights on the motorbike… no idea. I was trying to solve the "single light" issue with dealer but no solution Maybe someone in the near future will bring on the market some kind of "dual light kit
One light is in the dark more visible as a motorcycle than 2 lights which car driver may confuse for a car and that said, can missjudge the distance from him and your motorcycle ( check RU-vidr Risn from F9) Btw, i have 1 low and 1high beam light on my Honda cbf too, do this kind of lighting is common
I believe it's due to historical and a weird understanding of design by Japanese. Another thing may be a saving which I somehow don't believe could be a real issue as it could easily be countered by saying "what if that one and only one light bulb (which isn't even a light bulb anymore but an LED in many cases like here) dies?". Then you're suddenly left with no light at all. Imagine that this happens at night. Having to sources of light lets a rider "survive" that while having only one catches them totally off guard. So if we'd want to dig deeply into it, I'd touch this topic too as a lack of safety precaution. I don't believe that there's one good explanation for this solution. What you may do, you may keep the high beam on at all times if you ride in the city. You'll be safer and the bike will look OK.
Thank you for all that info. Yamaha made a great bike they could make the changes to the negatives for the same price. Change the clocks, a better seat, two working headlights, better footpegs, and top loading side cases.
Currently have a GS1200 and been thinking about downsizing to either of bikes shown. Like woman, lIfe is a compromise. Not totally committed either way but I think it will boil down to a test ride. Excellent video, cheers.
BMW has nice spot for less experienced rider who looks for bigger more powerful touring bike but one that will not scare him with it's power. That's how i look at it and think about one for myself
@@VToldsMotoShow yup, I heard that this engine is the best in its class, and F900XR has major issue with hot air blowing directly on rider's legs, so the choice is quite simple even tho I like BMW's desihn more.
good review; helpful. yes-- the leg room; foot position is most important. XR seems better around town; city crazy drivers to maneuver. curious on your reviews of the 900xr vs the 750GS. The extra power is not important as I'm not racing . I don't reall the xr had the pouring heat at your legs while sitting at stop signs. Loved all the options on the XR. it had it all
Regards from México, i own a f900XR since 2020, and the only think that i want to change is the seat. I don´t know if here in México use other kind but after 5 hrs riding ssshhh is not good. After that its a can said that its a very very safety motorcycle. Has a excellent performace on the road, dinamic mode and quick shift do the trip more funny. specialy if you want to drive in sport way. The BMW app to are other thing that is very useful if give you a lot of information. for me, its a great bike. 🤘
Hi, after 5 hours of sitting on anything, your butt may get sore ;). On a Tracer we could be hurt after just 1 hour. Still, I'm glad that you're happy with your XR as this is what matters!
That pirate`s front light concept of the GT would totally kill my intention of buying this Yamaha tracer. It doesn’t make any sense to me. On the other hand, if I were to buy this kind of bike I would rather go up a little and buy the BMW XR 1000. In conclusion, these seem both, little street- touring bikes, good for commuting from the periphery’s to an urban centre, to ride it in there, but just for that purpose. And if the ame is that kind of use I still would prefer the BMW, as the engine performance with be a secondary asset to have. Other items come first, Wind protection, comfort, and so on. Thanks V-Told for one more excellent review.
Thank you for the input and I totally get your point about the light. It truly could be a deal-breaker for me myself too. A solution could be to use the high beam at all times during the day but this cannot be done in all conditions, for example on a highway. I know this would bother me as I'd be having the image of such a weird face in my head all the time. Also, well-said about the purpose of those bikes. I think that it may make a lot of sense to perceive it the way that you described. All the best to you!
@@VToldsMotoShow I am pretty sure soon or later someone will develop a dual light kit for the Tracer. This bike just calls for it. I will be the first one to retro fit. My OCD just screaming
and specially when you ride in front of the bike is when is worst!! imagine looking at this one single light while you ride. I am so lucky in my case I always ride in drivers seat and I dont see when have a single light on!
@@Surpriseify Yes you,re right. It isn’t a little engine. The Cp3 is a great engine. I know it very well as I am owner of a Yamaha XSR 900 ABARTH Edition. If you reed all my comment the point I was giving relevance was not about the engine capabilities. But thanks for your in put🤙
FYI No need to buy aftermarket seats or windscreens. Yamaha has everything in the accessories catalog. You can have comfort seats (rider and passenger) or comfort heated seat (only for rider). Same with windscreen, you can swap it for the Touring Screen.
Thanks for sharing this. The heated seat is a great addition, I really like that they offer it for a Tracer. Respect to Yamaha for that. The seat and windshield topic is kind of irritating to me as they seem to have installed faulty items just to then convince us to pay for the right, "properly working" ones. Still, these are small things. I know an instance of a manufacturer that by default installs "just" brakes in one of their motorcycles and at the same time they offer a version with "better"/"upgraded" brakes. Now that's a nice one right? It's about Ducati and their Multistrada V4 (no brakes) and Multistrada V4S (brakes).
You have been riding the Tracer in the lower seat position, maybe too low for your height. Pegs were in lower position from what I saw with one hole above the peg. Plus points for BMW are in my oppinion display, connectivity, keyless and emergency call, for Yamaha engine, semi-active suspension and price. Decided to go for the Tracer but did not test ride XR. Both very nice bikes in my oppinion.
Thanks for checking that and letting me know. As for the seat while I was sitting on it, I would've appreciated it being in the taller position then. On the other hand, I'm not sure how reaching the ground would then be with its weirdly wide front part. I believe it would be even less enjoyable for certain parts of my body then. I do agree with the points that you've mentioned. The only thing that I'd replace would be build & materials quality that I would put in the place of the emergency call for BMW. Cheers!
the 900xr i had last year is std; with cruise control; center stand; heated grips; modes, quick shifter, auto suspension control; and rails for panniers. Comparing cost is just to add pannier boxes on the xr!
To answer your question on foot peg height. Pegs were in higher position. Obviously gear shift and brake position needs to be adjusted according to peg height, boot , body position . For each rider. Keep up the good work Mate
Thanks for the hint. Still till now I haven't been able to verify which position is which. I guess I'll have to check it one next time that I'm at that Yamaha dealership to make sure.
Ducati Multistrada V2S is the best bike in this class. Active Skyhook suspension gives it a clear advantage by itself only, not mentioning better ergonomics and build quality. Thank you for your review.
Maybe, but it also is about 30% more expensive. Yamaha also has semi-active suspension. Service intervalls on the other hand are good but not sure about the price for adjusting the Desmo.
Thanks for sharing your view. I actually wouldn't place the Multi V2 in this game and rather would put it against a BMW F850GS and Triumph Tiger "small" version. These two here in the video are purely street bikes while a Multistrada V2 seems to be able to achieve something on dirt. Skyhook suspension doesn't convince me myself that much. I've tried Multistrada V4's Skyhook suspension and while the bike was behaving nicely, it wasn't something that I'd kill for or something that would be better than a comparable BMW's, so R1250GS's suspension. Ducati's dash is definitely more pleasant for the eye.
@@VToldsMotoShow no, I disagree! The Multi is definitely a sports tourer. The most adventurous that bike can do is roll into a campsite. Basic things like checking the air filter, if you’ve been riding through the dusty dirt paths is an enormous job on that. On a Tenere, it’s a 5 minute job.
then there is news you might not want to skip: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GyV1hTAnyXg.html Yamaha Tracer 9 GT+ with a - believe it or not - new dash!
Fajne porównanie i fajny kanał ! Kolega wchodzi bardzo w szczegóły, rozważając poszczególne smaczki w sposób, który jest dość rzadki, co należy bardzo docenić. Ogląda się z przyjemnością. Ja osobiście doceniłbym jeszcze bardziej, gdyby do filmów były dołączane polskie napisy. Rozumiem, że kanał zapewne kierowany jest bardziej szeroko, stąd po angielsku, ale dla rodaków mniej obytych z tym językiem - przydałoby się ;)
Masz możliwość wyświetlania polskich napisów. Tak właśnie obejrzałem to porównanie. naciskasz w napisy potem ustawienia przetłumacz automatycznie wybierasz polski. Jeżdżę Yamahą T9GT
@@waldekmakowski6947 wszystko się zgadza. Tylko, że to jest automatyczny translator, który tłumaczy na zasadzie "Kali być, Kali mieć", nie jest to natywne tłumaczenie wbudowane przez publikującego. Poza tym wiele urządzeń, np. telewizory z wbudowanym youtube, nie mają możliwości włączenia tej opcji, jedynie wyświetlają natywnie dodane napisy. Jednak rozumiem, że może to być kłopot dla Twórcy, więc się nie czepiam, a tylko podpowiadam, gdyby to nie był problem. Tymczasem oglądam po angielsku i jako tako rozumiem, choć pewnie nie każdy da radę. Zaś teściki super, sam mocno zastanawiam się czy Tracer 9 wystarczy, czy pchać się w 1000XR - różnica w cenie jednak spora, zaś czy w doznaniach z jazdy... to już inna sprawa.
Dzięki i cieszę się, że dobrze się to ogląda. Szczegóły czasem mają potężną moc decyzyjną, więc warto! Co do napisów, to zgadza się, że one generowane automatycznie bywają nieco pokrętne. To wynika raczej z tego, że automat nie zawsze dobrze słyszy co się mówi i przez to tłumaczy pokracznie. Sam tłumacz Google (RU-vid należy do Google) jest fenomenalny. Dziś tylko nie radzi sobie jak widać jeszcze z różnymi akcentami angielskiego, ale postęp mają błyskawiczny, więc wierzę, że szybko się z tym uporają. Stworzenie napisów dziś i dodanie ich poprzez RU-vid to makabra, która potrafiłaby trwać tyle co edycja filmu, więc długie godziny. Lepszym rozwiązaniem jest stworzenie osobnego filmu w innym języku. To tak w ramach ciekawostki dodaję. Różnica w doznaniach między S1000XR i Tracerem 9 będzie spora, jeśli będzie można oba kręcić całkiem na maksa, do czerwonego pola. Wtedy S1000XR to rakieta, a Tracer jest "fajny". Z kolei podczas codziennej jazdy, a już niemal w pełni podczas jazdy po mieście, w moim odczuciu nie ma często takich warunków, aby można było wyczuć, że S1000XR jest mocniejszy/bardziej żwawy. Nie zdoła się rozkręcić zanim trzeba będzie znowu hamować. Być może ta analogia będzie tu pomocna. Dlatego Tracer tak mnie urzekł. A jeszcze bardziej, bo to było zaskoczenie.
@@VToldsMotoShow, no i właśnie te detale mają znaczenie przy zakupie. Dlatego gratki za ich podawanie 🙂 Tak czy siak - będę na wiosnę oba testował w ramach jazd próbnych. Już nie mogę się doczekać ! 😁 Ściskam kciuki za dalszy rozwój tego kanału !
@@Czyngis_Ham Jeżeli chodzi o BMW S1000XR to nie mam pojęcia nie jeździłem, ale miałem okazje pojeździć S900XR i w takich szczegółach Tracer jest fajniejszym motocyklem. Trochę żwawszy lepszy w zakrętach i bardziej komfortowy. Pozdrawiam.
I'd take the tracer everytime. However, there's no perfect bike. The only thing I don't like about the tracer (2024) model, is that exhaust. No way to just slip on an end can. Not really a deal breaker though. Not sure about the tracer seat, as I haven't had the chance to sit on one yet. I went to look at a 2023 yamaha mt10 today and I guess I sat on it for about 10 minutes. When I got off my behind wasn't sore at all. A lot of people say the seat is hard as a rock. I'm going to wait for the 2024 models before I decide. The tracer 9gt plus is 16,499 us. Mt10 (2023) is 14,299. I'm hoping yamaha will use the 6 inch tft on the mt10 for 2024. Around 4 months ago I was thinking about getting a 2023 kawasaki ninja 1000sx. I went and sat on it for about 10 minutes and when I got off, my behind was sore. Go figure
nice detailed review, thumbs up! Do you have plans to review and compare Triumph Tiger 900 GT version against the Yamaha tracer? I think that could also be a very interesting comparison.
Thanks, and indeed I'd like to try the "small" Tiger, however, I feel that it should be compared to BMW F850GS due to similar purposes of these two. They can go offroad while neither Tracer nor F900XR can. Thanks for a suggestion and yes, Tiger 900 is now on my list. Cheers!
why tracer 9gt so expensive. ? It seems big just looking at it;where the XR looks like a larger 500x . i do see the seats are more comfy for passengers.
The single headlight is for your safety. In the dark, two headlights close together, relatively high above the ground, is likely a car far away, so the car that's looking at you thinks he can pull up safely. This case, however, it was you, with your cool double headlight, close by. So the Car pulls up in front of you and sends you flying. A single headlight is probably a motorcycle, so this will likely be taken in consideration by the vehicledriver that wants to pull up in front of you on that dark road.
I've heard that one before. If anyone in the dark can see separate lights of a motorcycle shining in their eyes, then either these lamps are 100 years old and barely work being so dimmed or they're not exactly telling the truth I believe. If I've got an incoming car or a motorcycle, first of all I don't stare directly into its lights as that would blind anyone no matter what they do. It's one of the basic night time driving rules. Second of all, the differences in brightness are so large that telling how many light points are there, would still be a huge challenge at any serious distance I believe. In the city it usually may be bright enough to tell what's coming. Anyway, this doesn't apply to riders like myself who avoid riding at night. I guess that even if that was the real reason and a true danger, I'd still prefer to have two lamps and see what's ahead of me on the streets rather than struggle with one lamp only.
I would choose BMW F900 XR instead of Yamaha tracer for these reasons. 1) Worst position of Exhaust in Tracer. 2) Bad look of oil tank on the handle bar in Tracer. 3) Poor warranty coverage in Yamaha. 4) Poor customer service and less number of Yamaha service station in UAE.
If I were to choose today, I'd go for the Tracer. The challenge then would be to see which options would be worth having on a Tracer and either add them to the regular Tracer 9 and skip things like side panniers that I'd never use, or just go all in and expect that the resale value of a Tracer 9 in a GT variant would make the extra fee for some unnecessary things still worth it. We should keep in mind that many of us would likely have to separately purchase a different windshield and a seat to make it possible to live with a Tracer on a daily basis. I hope this helps.
Thanks, I'm glad you like it. I myself would go with a Tracer and either configure my own starting from a base Tracer 9 and skip some options, or just get the GT one and feel like I've got "the full" option. I'd have to pay for a seat and a windshield that I would be able to live with though. So would need to add that to the calculation. Cheers!
@@VToldsMotoShow Wow - you surprised me by saying you would go with the Tracer!! I thought for sure you preferred the BMW... With all the fly pics over the display, etc. I was laughing all along when you kept flashing pics of the fly face on your video 😂😂 So I guess you think the Tracer kicks the BMW's ass!! Great and entertaining review!!
I have been riding for just one year. I will ride another year before upgrade. Would I be mad to buy a 890cc after such a short period of time. I like the tracer. Hoping to tour the uk to start. Comments welcome….
If I may, then I totally wouldn't care about the displacement or a power of a motorcycle. Having traction control in most new bikes along with ABS, one really would have to try very hard to cause trouble for themselves. Over the speed we ride with, we always have full control and none of us needs to ride 200 km/h all the time. As for being experienced or not, it's much more about the weight of a bike and a position that you've got on it. I'd feel handicapped on any chopper despite riding since I was a little boy. A bike that's easy to handle and helps you instead of making it hard to control is one that will be safer for any of us. The second thing is the weight alone for when you're stationary, stopping or setting off - then it will matter too. But also along with the height and center of gravity. So all in all, it's not as simple as being limited to displacement or power I believe.
It's got 119 HP while usually the Brits have invented something called "brake horsepower". Not sure anyone else is using that but it's just a matter of how they measure power - differently. Just like in some places you ride on the wrong side of the road and they use miles, stones and inches instead of meters... Yeah, that's about that.
I usually make sure that it's set to 1 person and there's no other weight-related setting as a rule. So I'd say they should all be in stock settings by default.
@@VToldsMotoShow I think you should set up the suspension specifically for you, that way when reviewing that component it would be more accurate otherwise stock settings will generally not suite your height/weight
Tracer in my opinion is the hooligans bike, unrefined, super quick, no refinement and that really odd looking front headlight arrangement with one head light on the other high beam only? What’s that about? BMW, is more refined, more updated with connectivity, more planted, easy riding with all you really need out of the box. I’m still out on the fence clearly.
Yeah, the light is ridiculous. However, I'm not sure I'd say that it's not refined as it does so many important things right and its chassis seems to do better in terms of handling, control etc. But connectivity isn't its strongest point when compared to BMW.
By the way the Tracer headlight issue is common as grass with motorcycles for many years although I agree it looks stupid all I am saying is it is neither a new or unusual thing among various models and brands
Vtold,I need your opinion. BIG question! You leave a tracer 9 gt for a f900xr? Passing from a versys 650 and it's torquey 2 cylinder engine to the cp3 engine i start to miss that torque on the low medium rpm and the sound of the 2 cylinders and f900xr with 35hp more than my ex versys 650 and the cross plane engine looks to me the perfect 2 cylinder solution. Let me know what you think. Ps:tracer is amazing Thanks💪
I personally wouldn't choose F900XR even though I usually prefer 2-cylinder engines to anything with more cylinders. The thing is that those 3-cylinder engines sometimes provide a pretty good blend of torque and smoothness and it's also the case of a Tracer 9. To me it doesn't lack torque but overall feels more responsive than F900XR regardless of RPM. I was definitely more happy riding a Tracer 9 comparing to F900XR. Coming from a Versys 650 which you mention is significantly less powerful, likely BMW and Yamaha will feel like a decent upgrade. To ma Tracer also just feels better on the road while BMW feels like a more high-quality bike. I hope that this helps.
Thanks for this comparison of this two bikes I never found before, because one is gonna be my next bike. I think the tracer has a better engine not just for power but because is much more elastic, you meed less to change gear and with the Gt you have a better level equipment (even semi active suspensions) also in comparison with the BMW full optionals. But... Unfortunately I find the Tracer quite horrible and all sold until july without any possibilità to try one (I can't even see one in Milan Yamaha dealers!) on the other hand the BMW is very stylish... About the jumpy rear suspension of the 900Xr have you thought about to a much softer regulation?
I don't think that any possible change of suspension settings would impact the XR's behavior enough to fix the mentioned way of its reactions to bumps etc. Sounds like a close call for you! I hope you'll choose the one that suits you best as a whole package.
@@VToldsMotoShow I finally tried out the bmw f9000xr, and even if I am not a pro tester I've been driving two wheels for 41 years and had and tried many different bikes. I tested quite hard the criticized front and rear suspension of the bmw f900xr and I found them not too bad at all, not too soft not too hard, a right bilance for different situations you will find, and in comparison of other sport tourers, with the exception of the fantastic ones skyhook semiactive of the Ducati V2. We faced quite well for ages the streets of the world with suspension without electronics and still today most of the the bikes are like this. I have also to say that you can change the parameters if the rear suspension of the f900xr from a map depending on the load you put on the bike. I would like almost mechanical regulation on the forks, to have a indisputable set of suspension on yhe f900xr... but I find the set they put is ok for me, and on top of this as we all know, the 90% of the riders don't even have a clue how to regulate them without making a bad mess. Good bike everyone. 👍
Clearly there is an unused boss above footpeg mount in photo indicating the footpegs are indeed already in the low position unless I am grossly mistaken. However obviously in the photos the seat is in the lower not higher position would no doubt affect the footpegs height relative to your butt. BTW the reason the Tracer is harder to shift? It has the shortest shift lever I have ever seen on a motorcycle! The previous generation Tracer 900 had a much longer lever but then Yamaha made a new frame repositioning the motor forward and rotated further forward/downward so I guess they were forced to flip the entire shift linkage around backwards on T9gt ....it hurts my toes to upshift! I need steel toed boots now I think
Interesting point about the shift lever. I'm still not sure about the foot pegs height. I may visit the dealer in a few weeks and will examine them then. Thanks for the input!
I suspect that your foot pegs on the tracer were on the lowest position seeing that there’s hole just above the bolt that secure the plate for the foot pegs.
If you buy a motorcycle based on the numbers you will very soon start looking at the competition….. sorry but that Tracer has defo fallen from the fugly tree. Nothing more to add then
they only have 10hp difference which is in the high rpm range and bmw has its usable torque lower...i have ridden both and f900xr for the 80% of the rides feels quicker!! Tracer looks ugly as well and its screen is a joke...if you want to add a tyre pressure monitoring system you have to put a small extra screen...go figure!
Lol what The Tracer's CP3 blows the BMW out of the water, its not even a contest CP3 is not only much MUCH smoother, it also has good low end grunt (not as good as the BMW obviously). I did a dragrace against my friends XR. 3rd gear 3k RPM, he pulled away for maybe 1 second. As soon as i hit 6k RPM i overtook him and then his bike ran out of juice, mine was just getting started. Which engine would you want? lol
@@vartzel Well you just stated that your XR felt faster than the tracer. I am simply here to tell you that no one, not even a single reviewer thinks that the XR’s engine holds a candle to the CP3. Its good that you enjoy the XR, everyone values different things in bikes!
@@Surpriseify First of all, it's not my xr since I haven't bought it! I test rode both though hence my conclusion! I don't like triples and I prefer the loe end torque of 2 cylinders. In addition I didn't like the ergonomics of the tracer, bad seat, really bad wind deflector and especially the two tiny screens with no smartphone connectivity!!
Made me go and check my order. It's specifically Adidas Yung-96 F35019, bought in July 2019 with a nice discount (50% of an original price), and after not walking much due to a pandemic and mostly home office, now, so after 2,5 years they're alive but pretty quickly had some "abrasion" - or simply damages - inside. Green inlet is cool though.
Right, I skipped that too as in fact those aren't priorities for me personally in a motorcycle. Reliability would be more important to me in a car that I'd use every day - if I were driving a lot - but in a bike, unless it's known to cause trouble and that would bother my mind before jumping on it, then I really would not think about it much. Though I understand that those types of motorcycles may be used heavily for longer travels every day and then it may make a difference. Thanks for mentioning it.
BMW is using chinese engine in all 900 model range, which is not good. Add up cheap suspension and appearance. Not good at all. Contrary, Y Tracer 9 and especially T9GT is better built, more powerful , better suspended (Showa) and better performing and better looking bike. Period.
I think I can agree with most of the comparison part. Visually however, I'd put BMW at a better spot in terms of build quality. This doesn't concern reliability which I'm not familiar with in the case of F900XR and so cannot comment on it.
Yeah, it crossed my mind a few times when editing the vids. It's a wave that reaches straight to the camera, so may seem "familiar". But no, that's just a simple "bye" ;)
Just look at those bikes. The Yamaha looks laughable and old compared with XR. Not to mention those ugly displays. It can have a bit bette motor(which consumes more too) but thats about it. Everybody of us will agree that the looks are very important if you are driving those type of bikes.
As someone said - they're perfect to commute from suburb area to the city and back. I now think that this may be a brilliant description of what they both are about.
It used to be the other way around in my vids in the past. Check this one out as this guy is still recording POVs just with a bike's sound: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EiH-GXUjTgg.html
Great comparison, can you tell me which bike have a better clutch feel? I think that F 900 XR doesn't have a clutch assist (even for that price?!), but Tracer does.
I'm not sure what the clutch assist could be but Tracer has a bit of an issue with its clutch. I mean that I was constantly unable to set off without making the bike behave like it wanted to choke itself - making a weird noise and vibrating pretty much every single time. I think it's a flaw that should be corrected. It thankfully isn't a big deal to live with and it only annoys if you pay attention to it. I believe that at some point you just get used to it and it's not an issue anymore. Still, I'd say that there's a point for BMW in this department.
@@IanTed nothing to do with race if you have been around bikes for any amount of time Chinese bikes are notoriously unreliable and made with cheap materials and components. You can go look it up if you don't believe me. It's has more to do with their quantity over quality business models in that country I imagine becausethey have very littlecompetitionfrom outsiders in the Chinesemarketdue to politics. Nothing to do with race.
It's a freaking WAVE! If I lift my hand higher, it's out of frame. I may wink to you instead, if you'd like that. That could be actually totally correct for a man to do nowadays, but I'd need some more encouragement I guess.
