Congratulations on becoming a full time content creator! I’ve been watching you since I was in highschool and it makes me so happy to see you succeed! Keep up the good work
@@Matthew-vm7qi that's actually true. SATA SSDs are still useful. Especially if you can manage to secure an old enterprise SATA SSD... boy I didn't know how good SATA SSDs could be until I possessed one of those.
The beauty of a Xeon workstation is that the second PCIe x16 slot also has all 16 lanes direct off the CPU, not the chipset, and supports bifurcation at x4,x4,x4,x4... Get a 4X M.2 adaptor for about $22, and run four drives at full speed instead of just one. SATA plebs say what ?
I did option 3. I bought a 6 core 12 thread Lenovo p520 with 32Gb ram for 110 bucks. Tossed in a 100 dollar 2TB nvme ssd and a brand new rtx 3060 12GB card for 285 dollars. So for under 500 bucks I can play anything at 1440p high to max settings and could push into 4k if I want to.
Where the hell do you find prices like that? Australia? In Canada an old Lenovo p520 with 32GB will cost you hundreds of dollars, if you even find one. Getting one on eBay will end up costing close to a 1000 CAD
I actually used the option 3 and bought a really cheap used workstation back in 2016...... added a 4gb gpu and some more ram and an ssd and it was a beast!!!!
Going used, you can regularly find Ryzen 1600AF (Which is a re-branded 2600) CPUs for $30 and even 3600 for about $45. Then a cool tip for budge GPUs, the AMD 5700 is an 8gb card the performs a bit better than a GTX1070. But heres the thing... The 5700 actually uses the exact same board and parts as the 5700XT, just with a different bios that caps its performance. So if you're thrifty, you should pick up one of these 5700's with a flashable BIOS for about $75-$100 USD. then flash it with a bios from the same manufacturer but for the 5700XT. Suddenly, you card will be giving you the same performance as a RTX 2070 Super, only without raytracing. I've personally tested this on the MSI OC MECH 5700, and it worked like a dream. I honestly think these two tips will give you the biggest bang for your buck if you buy used today.
Glad people are taking the Z440 advice. But don't be afraid to dream bigger !! Get a barebones Z440 unit with no CPU or RAM for only about $95, and add your choice, rather than just 6 cores. There are many CPU's to choose from. Try a Xeon E5 2697 v3 (14c/28t) for around $15, if you need many cores. Or a Xeon E5 2640 v4 (10c/20t) at $10 if you want better IPC, and faster RAM. Used DDR4 ECC server RAM works out to just over a dollar per GB... So take advantage of cheap Quad-Channel. 64 GB (4x 16GB) of 2400MHz Samsung branded should run only about $70. Xeon CPU's have a whopping 44 PCIe lanes... take advantage of that second x16 slot running directly off the CPU, with bifurcation support (x4,x4,x4,x4). Grab a 4X M.2 NVMe adaptor for $20, to run four drives rather than just one. An RX 5700 could fit in under budget... But an RX 5700XT on flash sale for just a few bucks more would beef it up a notch.
More super helpful tips: The top Haswell v3 CPU would be an E5 2696 v3 (18c/36t), which can even be found as low as $45 on Ali X... It has a slightly higher turbo than the more common 2699 v3, yet somehow costs less. There are a few Broadwell v4 CPU's with a couple more cores, but the price jumps way up. If you are comfortable with BIOS modding, you can do an all-core "Turbo Unlock" hack on the Haswell's. It doesn't work on Broadwell, but they have slightly better IPC anyway. You can enable ReBar with a BIOS mod. Note that Quad-Channel RAM is roughly comparable to double the speed of Dual-Channel... Quad 2400Mhz is almost like Dual 4800Mhz... making it almost competetive with DDR5 ! Grab a cheap Wifi-6E or a 2.5Gbit Ethernet card and slap it in that extra x1 PCIe slot above the GPU. These machines can pull double duty beyond a budget gaming rig.... All those extra cores, rams, lanes, and drives, make it a great Render Box for creators, fileserver, virtual machine host, etc. If you really wanna see some fun, try an HP Z840 with a base price under $300 before upgrades... It's like the same machine but with dual CPU sockets, more expansion, more everything. Less useful for gaming; More useful for workloads. Does your Render Box need 36-cores/72-threads ?...
Congrats Oz!!! Been watching your stuff for years and I'm so glad to hear you're going full time. I'll keep tuning in :) best of luck with grad school. Lots of love, you're a really special creator.
Dude I subscribed a few years ago when you had just a few subs. Good to see how much your channel has grown and the content is still very interesting. Keep smiling ^_^
The thing with console is that the base price tag is not the final price, you have to pay for a subscription to play online, which makes a console that costs $300 actually cost more than triple over the course of the 7-8 years it lasts. With older pc parts remaining relevant for as long as a console stays relevant and with fsr being a thing, a gpu like a gtx 1070/1080 and a ryzen 5 4500 cpu for example could last as long as a console does for around the same price give or take
Not necessarily true, you don't HAVE to pay for a subscription at all if you don't care about playing online. I've been doing just fine for yrs without paying for a subscription. There are plenty of single player games out there....not to mention there are quite a few free to play online games if you're in such a need... also, consoles have perks and incentives and offer discounts for subscriptions...I tend to sign up for 30 days or more when they have their $1 deals. (Usually around Black Friday and Christmas).
I recently bought two HP Z440's. One is a 14 core E5 2690 V4 with 64 GB ram and the other is a 1650 V4 6 core but with higher clock speeds and 32 GB ram. Dropped a RTX 2060 Super in the 14 core and an RX 570 in the 6 core. Both game just fine, including Starfield. Both were super affordable using used parts. I haven't touched my custom built PC in the past month.
I enjoy this sort of content and I have an idea you may enjoy exploring. Affordable SFF! OK, plenty of people have had this idea but it's only now becoming attainable. I recently built a pc with a bunch of my own used parts. So I don't know what kind of prices I could achieve exactly but I am certain that one could build a 10 liters or less, 1080p beast for under 1000 dollars. That's the challenge but it's no challenge at all, I bet you could do it for much less. I'm in the Philippines and I used a "Shiny Snake case" very much like a PCCooler i100, lunchbox style sandwich case with a handle and I crammed in a 1660ti and a ryzen 3300x with a stock cooler. I gave that to my wife's nephew studying engineering. He's since spent hundreds of hours on elden ring.
Omg, I have a z440! Dayum, mine was 320$ in Egypt, a xeon 1650v4 processor, an rx 480 8gb that reaches the 580's clocks, 32 gigs of ram and 3 terabytes of 100 and 180 megabyte/s hard drives along with a 500 gig SSD. Insane value! Let's see how yours compares 😂 ❤ Edit: yours is better, I wish we had 120$ 1080 tis 😔😭😭
@@OzTalksHW thanks lol, we have wonderful used prices except for graphics cards above the rx 590 for some reason. i do use virtual machines so the extra ram really helps, it also helps in overall stability. did you have any shortcomings using the workstation?
Was gonna ask if the build can run Starfield, but after seeing that RX 580, I know it can. I mean that GPU is like the gift that keeps giving. I hardly envision any other card doing the same in foreseable near future.
Thank you very much for the follow-up! Couple of caveats: - The workstation PC's are not that much of an option for people outside of the US. Theres a lot less of them on ebay in the UK for example and when they come up people know exactly what they are so they are no longer a bargain. Also, since the Sandy Bridge (core 2000) days, HP and Acer started doing very shady things with the motherboards such as locked PCI EX slots, limited GPU support and proprietary board power connectors, to prevent second life and increase e-waste (PC enthusiasts are not even remotely their main consumer base for the workstations....what the flying f##k??). -There are better options for a cheap ryzen CPU than the 1500x if you can find them local. I bought an R5 2600 for £30 (37 USD). 6c/12t at 3.7ghz, unlocked chip, sometimes with cooler included (thermal paste will be needed though. Otherwise I fully agree with everything in the video, there's many different ways of getting a PC or getting into gaming on a very tight budget. The APU now and GPU later choice is actually much better than people realise, as if the buyer then saves up for another month or two they can just chuck in an RX 580 8GB or GTX 1070 for like 60 bucks and run almost everything at 1080p.
@@fusokku9212 Though I wouldn't use Win11 at the moment. I'm forced to use it with the work laptop and it crashes everything regularly. Browsers, MS software, notepad, you name it. It's a huge pile of steaming something at the moment, it will likely get better in a year or two.
Proprietary connectors aren't really an issue, the parts are a dime a dozen anyway so just get a replacement fan or whatever. I have been using HP workstations at home for over a decade now and haven't had a single issue. They cool really well, they are built to run all day long and everything in them is super cheap to replace.
I have been using used workstations for gaming for over 10 years now. My latest computer was a z620 v2 with a 2070. It really games well. Although it was totally not necessary, I decided to upgrade from that to an HP Z4 G4 with an 8 core w-2145 and 3070ti. Total cost for the computer and upgrades was about $530. If I didn't get the 3070ti and kept my 2070, I would have spent under 300. The best part is that I still have my z620 computer to keep or sell... haven't decided yet. It still games soooo well.
@@amvchan4495 Ebay is a good place to get them. I usually buy one from a seller that is selling a ton of them. That way if there is an issue they have lots more to replace it with. I haven't had an issue thus far though. I just bought a HP Z4 G4 barebones system, a w-2145 (8 core with 4.5ghz boost) and 2 16GB sticks of DDR4 ECC RAM. Total for all of that was around $250. I have a couple extra SSDs so I just used those for free. Then find whatever GPU you want and you're done!
I was lucky and a friend gave me his old case with an upgraded MSI PS 850w, MSI b150 mobo, An Intel i5 6400 CPU, Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3600 ram, NXTZ 120 AIO, Samsung 980 1TB SSD, and a 2060GPU that I replaced with my B-Day present ASUS GTX 3070Ti. I was very fortunate to have such a good friend. This PC runs everything I have thrown at it.
You keep popping up in my feed and I have to say I really enjoy your content. it is unique and well thought and Very helpful. Thank you and keep up the great work
I saw your video about building a living room pc instead of buying Elden Ring on Xbox. I decided to check your channel out and it was the right decision! You just earned yourself a new subscriber!
You're one of my favorite tech yourubers, I love building budget computers and are always looking for better ways to budget a system. Thanks for the great content!
Those workstations are something i built a optiplex 9010 32gb ram, 500gb ssd and just a 1650 and it can play just about anything relatively well for only $190
Built : (europe) Cpu : ryzen 5 3600 - 56 euros (leboncoin = french marketplace) Gpu : rx 580 8gb - 70 euros with shipping (ebay) Mobo : b450 tomahawk max - 75 euros woth shipping (leboncoin) Psu : seasonic pc-netzteil g12 gc-550 80+ gold - 79 euros (amazon, always buy new psu) Ram : crucial ballistix 8gb 3200cl16 single channel - 20 euros (very pricey but seriously couldnt find more) Cooler : deepcool ak-400 - 32 euros (amazon) I already have a case and the monitor so i wont count that. Total : 331 euros. This should run even cyberpunk 2077 on minimum 1080p ofc and popular multiplayer titles at 1080p high.
Nice video, not bad mentioning the Xbox Series S and its actually a great "get up and go option" however I do find in my experience PC and console users tend to be quite separate and there isn't much overlap. (Still worth mentioning overall however)
So this is the video the hardware came from you listed on HWS - still kicking myself for missing those deals. . Congrats on the jump forward in your content.
I appreciate what you are doing especially for the users on a very tight budget. Today I can afford pretty much anything, but back then there were days where i couldn't. Keep doing your thing, brother Sometimes it's overwhelming living the life, but never forget there is the community behind you 🙏
I recently build a PC for Minecraft for 97€. I5-4590, GT710, 12GB of DDR3 and a 1TB Toshiba SSD I had already lying around. Overclocked the GT710 and I'm getting very stable 140FPS on Fancy settings. Got me hooked building PCs and I'm thinking about switching it into a new case, upgrading the powersupply and dropping a RX6600 Eagle 8GB for ~170€ in it. Maybe upgrade the processor to a i7-4790 if it doesn't hold up to games I want to play
The problem with the Z440 option is that the platform doesn't support Windows 11, so you only get 2 years of secure Windows use if you buy one now. I know that 2 years is still a decent amount of time and the point of this is to try to get something cheap now, but i feel like it's probably worth mentioning in these videos.
@@OzTalksHW so I looked into it and it seems more complicated than I initially thought. None of the LGA2011 CPUs are listed on Microsoft's official Win11 support list, and HP's support page doesn't list the Z440 as compatible with Windows 11, but it seems like some people in this LTT thread had success adding a TPM2.0 module to their LGA2011 boards. I know there are 'unofficial' ways around the Win11 requirements, though, so I suppose people can do that.
Recently went the HP z440 route over the summer and its great, got one with e5-2667v3 with 32gb ram and a quadro k4200 for $125, bought a gtx 1070 on ebay for $80 and thing pretty much runs everything i want it to at 1080p. There are caveats though like needing a m.2 adapter, proprietary parts, xeons want quad channel ram, and 700w psu only being 2 6 pins.
That's such an awesome build. Did you have any issues with SSDs over 1 TB? I read that HP turbo drives only go up to 1 TB, which is a little silly. Not sure if you ran into that problem
Sweet i built mine for just under 170. (Ryzen 7 3700x msi a520m pro gtx 1070 Corsair 750 psu kingston fury 16 gb ram wd 256 m.2 and wd 1 tb hdd. Everything except the mobo was used and gets the job done if you ask me though i got pretty good bang for buck.
This guy sounds friendly and relaxed. I built my first PC with decent specs (i3-6100,RX-560, 12GB ram,450W PSU) for 125$ and i don't usually gaming on it so i think it'll serve me for 2 years then I'll upgrade it to a beast PC thanks to this guy.
Would be interesting to see a budget build that benchmarks some games on Linux. Saving the cost of buying a windows license could get you extra performance.
Love your vids I have a pretty good pc but your vid’s are so entertaining and it’s nice to know what good low price options are available when companies prices keep going up !
Most Z440's I find here in the Netherlands have Xeon E5 CPU's which do not support Windows 11, I think that's important to take into account when picking a system with Windows 10 support running for only 2 more years.
I am a student for software development and I am always astonished how much PC one can get nowadays used for almost no money imo. I sold my Ryzen 7 2700x, 40GB DDR4 2400mhz, RTX 2070 machine recently to build for the same money an i5-13500, 64GB DDR4 3200Mhz, GTX 1060 6GB machine for more efficient tasks and casual play.
My friend just bought a Bundle of used ryzen 3 2200g with 16GB RAM for $100, he use his old PSU, HDD, and Case from his old pc and it have a decent performance! It can play csgo, apex, and Valorant with a pretty good fps while streaming or recording and it can edit 1080p footage on premiere pro pretty decently without any hiccups. I mean it won't play starfield, but it's $100 so yea..
considering i have a $3200 gaming rig sporting a 4080 gpu and 7950x cpu and every other bells and whistles in the AM5 platform, Your'e absolutely right. console is now the king of base consumer/budget gaming. Medium settings across the board, sure. But you get access to ANY current game. if you want a pc the will do the same thing, $850 minimum at least for whats out now (targeting low settings of course). Building like what i have means you have to save up allllllot. And research allllot. You need to give yourself as much an edge as possible if your building a 'will play games at med/high to ultra and will perform well for at least a good 5 (hopefully more) years' type build, You need to dig deep into your pockets and build your pc like its some state-of-the-art piece of machinery like a car or some crap... I got my sis a ps5 for her bday and i kinda wished i did the same. Knowing what i know having done the research i did, i coulda just got a ps5/xbox and suped it up with better storage, fans, paste and pads and that would give it an actual boost in performance over other similar specc'd hardware. it would have also only cost like $100 extra on top of the console for those improvements, making it even better of an option in value vs similar stuff.
I have a console, and the performance is super reliable and great for the money And I’m forgetting how often it’s a pain in the ass for random reasons on PC But I’m going back to PC because of having access to mods and being able to change things in the game When I was a kid I just played games, but now it’s way too limiting and boring to just follow suit with the slow show they set up for players For example, driving games with the crazy high amount of credits you need to buy a few cars + you can purchase them directly from your credit card saved on your PS account
Hello - Can you recommend a NON GAMING build around the $300-600 price range? I'm looking for multi-tasking, music production, video editing, and some gaming!
I looked up my own pc parts (amd ryzen 5 4600g, 16 gb ddr4) and some other stuff and total came down to $330. (edit: i swapped the ram for CL22 3200 ram and made it $2 more expensive)
If you cant get hold of a workstation computer but want really good performance for almost the same money a aliexpress x99 motherboard, cpu and ram combo (or individually) can get you really good stuff for not much more or even less if you shop around.
В мене ПК на базі процесора R5 5600G, m2 nvme Apacer 512 gb pcie 3.0, Asus B450M-A II, 8 gb ram Goodram 3200 mhz, 400 W і корпус з бж Vinga CS112B. Купили за 11468 грн. Чи 318,22 доларів США.
I was planning to build a Dell Optiplex build using 7010 barebones with Xeon E3 1275 v2 but I am worried about its PSU if it can withstand having RX 580 as its GPU. I don't have that much surplus money, and I only also am a esports player so having an mid-high end unit isn't for me.
Its good to see the return of used prebuilds. I remember those were all the rage when I original watched tech tube videos back in 2016ish. I think it was Ryzen that really made a lot of those disappear over time. Good to see the GPU market has finally dropped in price a little bit, on RX570/580 cards. However maybe that is not a good thing because at this point in time they are 7 years old and AMD is ending the driver support for polaris. It is good to see however games with these cards still run well. I guess it makes sense though. Most games are not getting more demanding, it is really more a long the lines that standards for what people want out of a gaming pc have gone up. Back in 2016, a budget gaming PC was 720P 30FPS target ish on modern games at the time where you probably using a GT1030 or RX550 to pull it off as this was just a little before the advent of the legendary Ryzen 2200G/2400G Apus. Today with the RX580 you are essentially using it for what people originally mostly used the cards for, and that is 1080P mid-high setting gaming. I really do want an APU with RX580 performance, I feel it has been long enough to where that truly needs to be the bottom line.
I'm gonna be moving to a smaller town for a job as a police officer so I'm trying to get something cheap, or maybe save up for a gaming tablet/laptop with a 120hz refresh rate and an rtx 4070m. Always love watching these videos to see what I can build on a tight budget.
If you want PC functionality with decent power/insane emulation capability/a built in screen/built in controls then get a steam deck! Refurbished 64GB ones go for pretty close to 300 bucks and thats a steal!
you could do what i did which is get a desktop pc and put a $30 gpu in. the gpu is the NVIDIA Quadro K620 2GB DDR3 DP DVI Low Profile PCIe Graphics Card. it runs fortnite at 60 fps in ranked.
or if you want to get the same performance of a workstation pc with a graphics card but want to have it in a custom case then the aliexpress x79 and x99 motherboard combos dont cost anything over $45 and you get all the modren stuff like nvme slots and ddr4 but that is excluive to the x99 boards and the x79 boards only support ddr3 and dont forget to mention that is you want to upgrade the ram these boards only support ecc memory so you might have more gbs per ram stick but it will be very slow on the clock speeds but other than that its a solid option if you want a extrime buget builds that can go as cheap as $130
Congrats!!! on Grad school! I am looking forward to seeing what you will do with more consistent uploads. I have faith that you are gonna BLOW UP on RU-vid! Watch, way more than you probably expect. You are just so likable. I can't wait to see what you come up with. I'm here for it!!!
Def wait until Black Friday deals. If you don’t you’ll have buyers remorse like I did one year. It’s also crazy how fast the gpu prices crashed. I sold my used 1070 SC EVGA model for $300 when the 3070 Ti came out.
Yeah, 2020-2022 was such an anomaly in the PC market. I looked at my old budget builds, and I was shocked that I was paying like $80 for an RX 460 2G...but that's how things were
If your getting into gaming and want a pc onestly I would buy a used pc , I bought a used pc for 400 dollars and here are the specs : Ryzen 3200g Gigabyte b450m WiFi Rx 550 16 gb ram 256 ssd , 930 hdd Free addons : 22" samsung moniter Msi gk 30 keyboard Redrgon mouse
