I’m a wild fan and a ref, and Hartman pisses me off. He’s dirty and needs to go. With his history, this should’ve been a suspension for at least a game
I'm a Jets fan, and agree with you. I'm not a ref, but the take in the video about Dillon is correct too. Those cross checks may be "part of the game," but when you can see that Kaprizov's pads are dislodged, I think you just have to back off. That's the issue here on both sides. If Hartman wants to deliver a punishing but clean check to any Jets player, no problem. But a stick in the face is the kind of garbage even the most brutal enforcers never pulled. Ditto for Dillon attacking Kaprizov's exposed back.
@@seedofwonder the irony of *Hartman* wanting to B and moan about somebody else's injury on his team after the crap he and Ryan Reeves both pulled in the second last game of the reg season last year is honestly too much hypocrisy... It's amazing any wild fan, or these shmucks on SN are legit trying to act like this is entirely justified 1, *AND 2* - are actually acting like this all magically starts at the cross check/injury to Kaprizov... And NOTHING happened before that, that would mean applying the logic Jamal used here back against him means he actually needs to be fine with the cross check to Kap, for what Hartman did to Ehlers last year... *AND* AFTER 2 separate fights in two separate games, one involving the cross checker himself, the other 2 seconds into the second game against our captain, and they STILL want to cry bloody murder AND act like Hartman was more then right to do this? Earn his 10th punishment from DoPS? After his 8th punishment was the suspension for the gross ass intentional injury attempt on the dirtiest interference that he succeeded on doing to Ehlers... It's legit clownish ass biased takes left and right... Refreshed to see this one wild fan with some brains. Hartman is a dirty rat bum, and Wild fans would be enraged if a jet did what he did. The worst weve done is cross checks before and after things were done to us first, and if the refs just called penalties correctly, self policing wouldn't be needed by ANY team...
@@BoboMcBooboy "And NOTHING happened before that, that would mean applying the logic Jamal used here back against him means he actually needs to be fine with the cross check to Kap, for what Hartman did to Ehlers last year..." Way too much common sense and sound logic here, which is not in Mayers's wheelhouse. But you are 100% right. But this is the same group that is still talking about the Stanley hit from last year being a "targeted" hit--even though it was against a puck carrier, below the head, on his feet. Kaprizov buckles and Stanley's momentum carries him forward so that he falls on him, but that gets spun as if he left his feet to make the check. So we are not dealing with clear-headed, objective minds here. I agree it's refreshing to see one Wild fan among the mob with some common sense and decency. Which is why I would throw them a bone and say what I did about Dillon. I know those cross checks happen 50x/game, especially in the slot and corners, but it does feel dirty to do it when you can plainly see a guy's equipment is loose and you're making direct contact with his back. Especially given the history, but it's not like Hartman ever plays with dignity so f%$# the Wild.
I’m a jets fan and I’ll tell you Hartman is not the first guy to say this he just didn’t know perfetti was mic’d up it’s sad but these things are said all the time! This wouldn’t if the league just called a penalty on those cross checks you see it in every if they call they’ll stop doing it we don’t see hardly any clutch & grab anymore because they stated calling the same goes with these cross checks!
@TheImmortalAnimus The point is that it is something done every game by every player. People are calling for Dillons head when he did nothing wrong or dirty. Not his fault that the ribs were delicate that day. I feel like his ribs were damaged from a hit previously and the small crosscheck was the final straw that finished the damage.
Jamal Mayer was a fringe player and is pretty much a fringe analyst. So a high stick to the mouth sends a message? It was a wise move? Hartman has Perfetti in his backpocket? What an idiotic take! Hartman's a dirty player, so apperantly he likes sending messages. The media does have a voice , but to say something like this is actual strategy? Reckless, stupid and quite narrow-minded.
Oh man to the presenter of this site needs to wake up and take what you said here to heart. What incredibly heartless ignorant comments that that announcer made. I also like how finally “Canuck Hockey” has outed, that most of our telecast professional hockey announcers are so so boring. My goodness they are poor! Most of the armchair hockey fans who have been around hockey in my circles point this out all the time. Yes producers, you are the ones hiring! Any questions?
I'm sorry but Hartman deserved at least a 10 game suspension on top of that cheesy fine under 5k. (Probably carries more cash in his pocket). As a Jets fan, Kaprizov being out does suck big-time, but I've seen hundreds of those checks in the corner. I'm sure Dillon didn't have intentions to injure, but Hartman came out a told Perfetti who was wearing a Mic, he meant to hurt him. So hurting a player with the intent on cutting his face, mouth and losing teeth is okay? A small fine is BS and the Jets didn't retaliate when Connor was knocked out for that knee on knee that could have ended his career.
Not a younger smaller player that wasn’t even on the ice at the time. Imagine a Habs 6’2” defenseman injures someone and the team goes after Caufield for it😂
The problem is our guys did Lowry and even Dillon himself they beat the wild guys and that's why Hartman did what he did,they are weak players and weak team,If I was the coach I'd sit him a couple games and let him know that was dirty and unprofessional and won't be tolerated drop the gloves don't be dirty.
Watched this panel live and was preparing for the most boring intermission, but man did jennifer botterill kill it. Love the debate and she was absolutely right and made this man look like a fool.
@shep79 biggest joke is a little bit of a stretch, she's not as painful to listen to but with Bieksa she's pretty quiet. She did great here and there are bigger jokes like Ron MacLean
Jamal Mayers is exactly the type of person we have currently running DoPS...a "goon's perspective". Of course this guy is gonna cheerlead a bloothbath. And so does the DoPS. This is why dirty plays only get fines or are simply ignored.
I’m going to put a fine point on this discussion by posing a question: What if Perfetti had lost an eye? And that’s not a stretch. Right there, Perfetti’s career is over and Hartmann is both unemployed and undergoing the same legal issues Todd Bertuzzi and Marty McSorley had to go through. And we’re talking about a couple of inches difference for that to happen. The fact he chose to deliberately injure is one thing, but the way he chose to do it shows a complete lack of thought process.
The issue is many of the rules of the game aren't called. There is often so many cross checks and slashes that go uncalled so once in a while someone gets injured by one. Cross checking is illegal. As soon as the first one was done, it should have been called a penalty immediately. It would take a bit for players to adjust, but if those types of infractions were called consistently, it would clean the game up with the cheap garbage that happens all the time.
Couldn't agree more. When you use your stick in a cross-checking position to control a player's movement, that is very different from thrusting it at the player. I thought the NHL was going to start calling this a couple years ago but that only lasted 20 games as it usually does. Shame on the NHL again!
Yup. There are ways were I think the NHL is ahead of the other big three sports, but nonsense like this, this mentality that persists year after year, shows just how many Neanderthals still persist in the sport. Where the refs don't call it, and the players clain they're just settling the score because the refs won't call it. It's utter garbage. Fighting is illegal, too, yet players are allowed to square off until they hit the ice. No other sport allows that. A closed fist in the NFL gets you ejected immediately, every time.
Take another look at the video, Dillon did not cross check Kaprisov where there was no padding. He pushed off along the top of the waist where there is padding, which is a legal hockey play in the NHL (but not in most minor leagues). Players are coached to push off in this way. The fact that Kaprisov fell awkwardly is unfortunate but is no different than an injury on ANY OTHER LEGAL CHECK. Hartman, other the other hard, is not man enough to play the game correctly but instead has targeted the 2 smallest players on the Jets over the past few games. Someone needs to deal with him but I feel the Jets have more important things to worry about than this man-child.
"Pushing off along the top of the waist" doesn't result in broken ribs. He targeted a soft spot with a lot of force. I'm sure he wasn't trying to break ribs, but he was certainly trying to tenderize Kaprizov. Kaprizov is out for a few weeks with broken ribs. He can't even train to stay in shape while recovering so his return to top form will take a while.
Yes this! No one is talking about the high reverse hit on Dillon. There's an article out there calling them dirty and predatory, which I don't completely agree with, but so often when a hit like that happens, tempers flare and retaliation comes with it. So Dillon getting up and playing hard and giving him a shot back should surprise no one. Oddly enough, it was Kap backing into and under Stanley, that caused the injury last year also. Maybe he just skate forward instead of backing into people🤔
You forgot to bring up the fact that the big oaf Stanley "fell" on Kaprizov the previous season, causing him to be out a month......and not being himself in the playoffs. You also forgot to mention that Dillon DIDN'T GET PENALIZED on the cross check! The Wild had enough! If the refs and the league don't make things right......the players will. They have disarmed teams since we're in a no goon league now......OK, well, then call the penalties then......or more of this will happen.
If you're going to try to get revenge on a player, then get revenge on that player. You lose all moral high ground if you potentially injure someone who did nothing wrong because of someone else's actions. And frankly, it often seems cowardly to me, like you're admitting you know you can't take the offender, so you're going after someone who you think is easier to beat up.
Seems as though none of you have ever played. If you are a goon and stick my star player and injure him, do you think im going to fight you? Nope. Im sticking your star player in retaliation. Dillon wont learn any other way.
Dillon’s repeated cross checks at an area he KNOWS FULL WELL is unprotected is cheap and dirty. “ Prefetti is a young talented promising player . How dare you do that to him“. Nobody says the same about Kaprizov. But it is the same. The refs do nothing. The league does nothing. This broke Kaprizov’s ribs! And NOTHING is done about it. If Wild players do nothing about it, what would every other team do? Nothing? Yeah, right. None of this should happen. All of this sucks but, it wouldn’t be like this if the refs and the league do the right thing for the sport and for the human beings that make this league what it is. It’s a damn disgrace.
Perfetti is defending Hartman because he knows the Dillon was mad and retaliating because of the reverse-hit Kaprizov put on him seconds before the incident. Perfetti is happy that he's not the one faced with weeks of recovery from broken ribs and knows Dillon went too far by unintentionally breaking Kaprizovs ribs.
There are so many takes that can be made here. First of all, in MY opinion, hockey is the greatest game on earth. It is also the only game where the players police the game if the ref's let things get out of hand...or in this case, actions like the crosschecks to Kaprisov go unpunished. Old school hockey has a tough guy fight a tough guy (Middleton vs Dillon) to settle things down. Next game off the opening draw, Maroon vs Lowry. That should be the end of it. However, last year the Jets knocked Kaprisov out for an extended length of time when 6'7" Logan Stanley fell awkwardly on top of Kaprisov. Many feel it was a targeted hit. Now, Dillon takes liberties with Kaprisov knocking him out for another lengthy absence. This is the Wild's best player and one of the superstars in the league. If the ref's aren't going to punish these guys, it's going to continue happening. Hence, Hartmann with the dirty stick job on Perfetti. I'm not saying that was the right thing to do, but if one team has a history of taking out another team's superstar, that team is going to go after your superstar. If you want to clean up the game, penalize every cross check that is ever delivered. Eventually, people will quit crosschecking. Also, penalize every hit from behind. Eventually, they will stop checking from behind. Call all of the slashes too, not just the flagrant ones. Eventually we will be paying big money to watch 20-30 year old men playing squirt hockey.
Dillon could of had a cross check on that play for 2 min and thats it. That exact same shit happens 100 times every game and is ignored 99 percent of the time unless the refs want an even up call. Maroon vs Lowry, etc. OK let them go at it even up. On the other hand the cowardly, stupid move by Hartman proves his intent to injure, especially when he admits it and the video is obvious. He has become a master at being a goon and masking it.
The wild are a bottom tier team this year, the fans having hot take spazz outs is expexted but the "professional commentators" is even more entertaining as a Jets fan. It's a cold butt hurt winter in Minnesota this year. 😂
if anyone knows what goes on in the fo circle is jamal. and lets be fair, isn't kirill a young upcoming star? going after cole makes perfect sense for that reason right there. it's hockey ffs. self policing works and this is why we need goons.
I mean if you don’t like Perfetti getting a cheap shot then don’t do the same goddamn thing to Kaprisov. Twice. Fuck around and find out, it’s not like Hartman is gonna keep going after him, that’s some Nikita Zadorov type shit
Winnipeg is a dirty team and is never punished for the legue for it. Kaprizovs has been injured by intent twice in 2 seasons. And still winnipeg can barely get a win even if they pay 1.5× the money for the players they put on the ice. What a joke.
Totally agree. Physical play is one thing. So is fighting. Cheap shots, though, like what happened to both Kaprizov and Perfetti, don't belong in the game at all.
Totally nailed your take here, thanks for covering this stupidity from Jamaal... Clearly a double standard he wouldnt apply to "his own team" - legit referenced the wild as "his guys" (implying against "jens guys", the jets.) Such a dumb biased take from him, almost a little surprised it came on tv, and not online somewhere... But then again, its SN, so shouldnt be surprised at all...
the issue here is the league, if the league dealt with this stuff the players wouldnt have to, and running talent has become a real problem since the enforcer has gone extinct, so this is what you get... random clubbing
If you think this was bad look up Ryan Hartman’s hit on nik ehlers last year that concussed him and cost him the playoffs. That was intentional too because a jets player fell onto kaprizov. I’m pro code. Hartman is a moron.
What!!.. no mention of how Hartman put Ehlers out last for the rest of the season and playoffs with a dirty reverse body check when he didnt have the puck? Hartmans's a good example of being too stupid to learn how to play hockey the right way. Why didn't he stick Lowry in faceoff dot? He kows he would've been beaten to a pulp. They sent 3 guys out to get revenge after 2 guys who werent even involved in the play...Classy Minny
Do the people in this comment section ever watched hockey in the 90s lol ? It was a dirty hit maybe. Do you want to turn Hockey into ice skating. This one is partly on the refs. With that said you should just drop the gloves and not do dirty tricks like this and not try to injure a player.
Cheap and dirty is exactly right, should have been a min 10 game suspension for admitting it. Hartman is a pansy, if he wants to be dirty lets see him try that with Lowry, Namestnikov or with Dillon instead of picking on the smallest players. The fact he didn't even get a penalty, let alone a suspension just proves the NHL refs and player dept of safety are a joke and they are inviting more mayhem as they let this kind of BS go with a selective blind eye. I wonder what would happen if it was McDavid or Bedard had been the ones getting cut.
I notice you Jets fans seem to forget that this is the second time in a year Dillon has blatantly hurt Kaprizov. On dirty plays and yall are ok with this not a mention of that. Not to Mention here is the highsticking rule. (Note) High Sticking is the action where a player carries the stick above the normal height of the opponent’s shoulders and makes contact with the opponent. A player must be accountable for being in control of their stick at all times. note above the shoulders his stick never went that high
When was the first time smart lad? We dont have to talk aobut u guys having reaves to hurt demelo, fight lowry, or hartman knocking out ehlers right? Never look in both sides of the story... No wonder the mild are shit. Caprisun needs to strengthen up instead of being built like a Caprisun.
I’m totally on the side of the take. Terrible play but I think it needed to happen. Jets have gotten away with ALOT against wild in the last two years. I’m almost certain at least one of the two injuries on KAP were on purpose both near season ending injuries. All Cole got was a stitch on the lip. He’s lucky his not in a wheelchair.
@@vincentbradley9873 the league should have called a cross check on the first one like they started to do a couple years back. If the refs can’t ref the game, they players are going to have to.
Ehlers season ending due to hartmans antics last year? What about when u guys had reaves and he ran demelo into the boards face first? What about your coach evason throwing reaves on the pp js to fight, not send a message? Stop whining.
@@oozyalmond7079put your bias aside, Ehlers and Demelo where both playing recklessly and Ehlers went dirty on Kaprizov a few times prior to Hartman planting his feet. The Jets have been playing dirty hockey against the Wild for years, the wild took most of it on the chin. So many missed elbows, spears, hacks, kicks from the Jets before Kaprizov got hurt last year. Pretty sure it was 2021 Ek got thrown to the ice in front of the net and took a deliberate kick to the back of the head, luckily no injury occurred but that could have been bad. Last year you had the Jets coach calling for his players to go after Wild players but then he famously cowerd away from Wilds coach. The difference between dirty teams is the Jets get away with it and the wild get caught retaliating. Jets are just like Dallas/Boston they get away with alot because they start it. Every broadcaster has said it's always the team that responds that ends up shorthanded. I don't like Hartman using his stick to send the message but I agree with his reasoning on going after Perfetti although it probably wouldn't have been perfetti if he didn't swap into the face-off dot at the last second. I think skill guy vs skill guy is the way it should be, Big man for a skill guy doesn't nor hasn't ever sent that message. If Connor wasn't out he's probably who eats that stick from Hartman instead of Perfetti
@@YOSHI450R I dont understand what u mean by 2021 when it was an all canadian division bro. You cant call demelo reckless for being driven into the boards by a scumbag called ryan reaves. Hartman is also a scumbag. Ehlers is not. Ehlers is MOG: Made of Glass, thats why this dude is always injured. The jets are not a dirty team. We have the least penalty minutes in the nhl if im not mistaken. Many years the jets were dirty to wild, what about the other way around? Thats how a rivalry works. We first in the league, you guys arent. We didnt get to first by playing dirty...
Totally agree on your thoughts. Picking out one player and any cheap shots should be severely punished more than what's done, this is what gives all sports a bad name, cheap shots by men acting like bratty children.
Nailed it. Shoulda been over after 2 fights. Fans can boo Dillon, players can hit him as hard as possible every shift, give him a little extra in the scrums, etc. but intentional high sticks are not and have never been part of the "self-policing" system in the NHL under "The Code" of unwritten rules for retaliatory violence... TheHockeyGuy pointed out similarities to the Bertuzzi-Moore situation and it's scary to think this isn't over and could still escalate... Nailed the take on the SN panel too - Bieksa has been a breath of fresh air, best NHL analyst on TV today. Botterill has really grown into her role and offers consistently valuable insight. Friedge is Friedge. The rest range from terrible to tolerable at best. Luke Gazdic is the only other name I'd single out for his positive contributions in terms of personality and insight, which have both really surprised me given his identity as a player, but I'd love to see him get the call-up to the HNIC table.
This rivalry goes back to last year when the jets basically ended Kaprizov’s season. Next do a video about how there’s no place in the game for intent to injury crosschecks in the back on star players
Oh hey you can also say that it was a unfortunate play that Stanley landed on kaprizov by accident. You guys were getting rolled by Dallas either way. Hartman did one of the dirtiest reverse hits on Nik Ehlers I’ve ever seen and he missed 4 playoff games
For a tv analyst to not condone a hit that received punishment….should be a bad look for Sportnet. But they are the one who posted the exchange…..with a popcorn emoji to go with it like it was to be entertaining. And as for retribution…I thought Lowry took care of that at the beginning of the game. I bet Hartman wishes Vladdy hadn’t been kicked outta the face off. Then his so called revenge seeking hit wouldn’t have happened to a mic’ed up player……unless Perfetti was the target.
That was an accident and then Hartman decided to injure Ehlers, the Wild (kaprizov) got what they deserved, dirty team, ties for 2nd in penalties while the Jets have the 2nd fewest, 1 more than NYI
"Absolutely laughable" is exactly correct, and so is "awful stance". I love hockey, but if I think too much about this kind of idiocy I'll start not wanting to watch. Very good video, though.
Is no one going to mention the unpenalised elbow Kapy gives Dills to start this whole sequence? Just sayin', hockey is a rough sport and those puck battle crosschecks along the boards are a nightly occurrence. No one feels good about an injury but there was also nothing out of the ordinary in this whole video; Dillon's crosscheck(s) deserved a penalty(2 minutes) but so did Kaprizov's elbow(2 minutes). As for Hartman and his highstick? He deserved more for an obvious intent to injure play.
The Wild are cheap and dirty. And then play victim when their superstar who’s soft gets hurt on a cross check that wasn’t even that hard. They deserve to be out of the playoffs.
Bro the wild just lost their top player for weeks and Dillon fighting (which is what he always does) wont solve anything because he will be right out there the next shift after his 5 min penalty is over while kaprizov wont. Jamal has a point and Bieska would of said the same thing as Mayers man. The problem is the LEAGUE!!! It is run by a bunch of hippies not doing their job to protect the players and this is causing players to take matters into their own hands which is not a good thing. If the league is not going to police the actions of some then the players will have to and that's why Hartman did that. I would of preferred a different target than Perfetti though if that is what Hartman planed to do. It's plain and simple. TNT is garbage man, ratings are sooo down.
This was an absolutely awful take, especially if you’re a millennial and want the NHL to give a franchise to the LBTQ community and think having disabled players play in the NHL is great for inclusivity, you must be Livid!! And rightfully so!!
Hartrman should injure Scheifele or Hellebuyck. The Wilds best player Kaprizov producing point-per-game on this "bad" season. If it was Crosby or McDavid or even Bedard everyone would scream to suspend dillon for th rest of his life
Mayers is the only person on that panel worth listening to. If Winterpeg is going after Minnys stars then Minny will go after Winterpegs stars. It's that simple, doesn't matter what the talking heads say.
Except this doesn't start at this one Kaprizov cross check like the wild would like you to believe, and like Jamall is clearly ignorant on with trying to say HARTMAN of all people is justified to bitch about somebody else's injury... Lmfao... Such a clown take. Cough cough, Ehlers being intentionally interfered with by Hartman last year. His 8th of 10 instances of being punished by DoPS. Guy is a walking "cheap and dirty" joke. Minny is getting pissy they lose whenever they face the Jets lately, and this is how you wild fans and even some ignorant ass commentators have to cope...
Reeves boarding last year before that... The worst the Jets have done to Minny was Pionk getting a 5 for a cross check after BOTH the Reeves boarding and the Ehlers injury by Hartman, and then this SOFT ass love tap to Kaprizov that unfortunately took him out. But if you believe Minny had and didn't do much worse before and after this cross check, you're proving yourself as the ignorant/naive clown you are...
Difference is one of the plays wasn’t completely oblivious. And he legit was on crack talking about playoffs and Minnesota in the same conversation that team is a mess, go to beer league you caveman brain cheapshot loving degen. “Minny” is only past Chicago so they have bigger problems😂
Dillon’s play happens 50 times per game. Kaprizov does it too. Hartman is one of those players that has made a fine art of getting away with garbage plays. Kinda like Marchand but without the talent.
Good play by Hartman, except he should have hit him a little harder and taken some teeth out. If Dillon didn’t cheap shot and injure Wilds young superstar this would not have happened. It’s a two way street buddy, now your young star will get the same treatment
Why are Wild fans so unhinged? You want someone to lose their teeth who has nothing to do with it? Is it because your team is bottom tier and Jets were handing them Ls like candy on Halloween? Also I would hardly call him a "Superstar" 😂😂😂
@@anxietyonline1947different sport, but the Minnesota Vikings showed a video of Aaron Rodgers getting hurt in 2017 due to a sack by Anthony Barr (the sack was clean but broke Rodgers’ collarbone). When they showed the video at the stadium the fans cheered. It’s understated how obnoxious Minnesota sports fans are.
This is true. However this is a reflection on the NHL and it's horrible implementation of player safety. I have never seen cross-checking become more and more of a problem and the league saying they're trying to take it out of the game but it never happens. Once again a referee is standing there with his head and his whistle in his pocket. Losing control of the game was obviously going to happen. Hockey is a great sport, sadly it's run be the worst league on the planet.
Not to mention Perfetti was 1) not involved in the play that injured Kaprizov, 2) not even on the ice at the time, and 3) not a Kaprizov “superstar” level player. There are better players on the Jets Hartman could’ve gone for, but Perfetti is smaller and younger I guess. I’m not a fan of either team but do watch sometimes for Kaprizov and Faber. Can’t really call it “policing” the game when you go after someone who wasn’t involved at all😂Imagine being tazed because your coworker beat someone up
the cross checks that Kaprizov took happen over 100 times in a SINGLE GAME. Such a bush league comment from an untalented player that would never have made it past junior B in today's world
I'm a huge Wild fan and even I think this was dirty... and YES you DO have to send a message that if you knock around our star players you will get dealt with and that's what I love about hockey.. so drop the gloves and handle it... but keep your damn stick out of their teeth Hart ffs... or at least don't be so obvious about it 😉
So, by that logic, when they play them tonight The Jets should be able to destroy any random player on the a Ducks for Strome's attempt to end Conners career Good to know. I can't believe that dill hole sits on a hockey panel!
IMO hockey is certainly rough enough even played within the rules. The rule book should be called more effectively to sort these infractions long term. I want to see the skill players on the ice, not on the injured list…
