Yoshi-P Details Upcoming Job Changes in Dawntrail 

pressing 1 and 2 is so boring to me. but they wont change that I want them to spread those 2 buttons apart

I for one just hate doing positionals all together. It's not like they are "hard" so getting rid of some doesn't make it "easier" just less busy work and frankly I'm all for that. I've never like positionals and it's been the one reason I haven't played much melee DPS. I just think it's a boring system that tries to solve a problem that doesn't exist for the most part.

@@CWFDSmokeEater wtf does that even mean??? I mean the ffxiv combat sucks in general but still

exactly, what part of the game is "hard" anymore? outside of personal perspectives, ultimates are the last hard piece of content in the game, savage is just mechanics you already know just in a new environment. and they just keep making the jobs easier.. the entire game is entirely casual oriented. but its the casuals who are also saying the game needs to be easier to play. pretty soon they just gonna make pve buttons work like they do in pvp. pretty soon this game gonna transition to like 6 buttons like tarisland and then everyone can be mad.

@@justsomeguy4422 shut the fook up weirdo...the reason why jobs are easier is because dweebs like you cried about the jobs being hard pussy

It’s because us casuals are the majority people who whine about "job homogenization" are the tiny .01% who think difficulty equals fun when it doesn’t honestly if they make the jobs too difficult or reduce the buttons to a single button then I am done with the game as will the %99 of the player base

@@originarts2039 tbh there is a big difference between difficulty and being able to read, "reduce the buttons to a single button " might as well be what you do if you reduce one of the simplest jobs any more then it already is lol. Whats next, summoner will only have one summon because its too hard to remember to hit the glowy button. Come-on. Also a lot of people care about job homogenization, there is a reason why people like new jobs, because they are different. If all jobs are the same there is no variety. This is why most people did not like new summoner, nothing changed. What they got was too homogenized and thus boring. Difficulty is not the problem here, its bland-ness

@@originarts2039people who complain about Job homogenization is definitely more than 0.01% and jobs being unique does not equal difficulty. Nothing about Viper is difficult, but its fast pace is fun (for me anyway)

Just like the ones who whine and want more furry races and slutty clothing

@Derpaholic_rex_games-wr2pw 100% agreed. The proof is in PVP. Waaaaay less buttons but the jobs all feel different and there is A LOT of flavor/job fantasy. People want creativity, and sometimes that includes just a bit of friction(not always hence PvP). It's really telling that positionals on Viper are causing issues, which are very minor, considering waaay less buttons than any other melee job.

I read “as a black man, if I accidentally hit a duty” I was like wtf is this guy going on about… sorry bro, carry on.

That's most of the reason I started playing Red Mage. So I'd have another caster to play in sub-80 content.

I feel that pain on picto doing fates drawing canvases till you sync down to having none drawn

Could be worse, could be Viper lol and any dungeon under70 is utter torture

At least the cluster you get from adventurer in need is very rarely DPS. Once you're done leveling, you can find a different class just to sync down and it doesn't feel too bad.

Ya, how they failed to think about just how hilariously atrocious that change was going to be at lower levels is beyond me. Honestly, BLM before Umbral Soul is cancer regardless, so I hope they move Umbral lower (like, say, 10 or 15) and don't do some stupid crap with Transpose instead. And then, hey, I dunno, maybe try introducing the _central filler spell_ earlier than level 60.

Weirdly enough, I have always been spamming Transpose to keep up phases. And it rewarded me at higher levels because you get Polyglot stacks between pulls 😂

@@florinalinmarginean1135 ya, but spamming Umbral Soul is _wildly_ stronger, since it primes you for an immediate fire phase, complete with Umbral Hearts and Ice 3. Also, no cooldown.

If you like to weave I'll just say drg lol

that's how i felt about old Summoner but pretty much the entire community was all for the changes lol

Oddly enough I kinda enjoy it this way because it adds some nice optimization tricks with Perfect Balance and Fire's Reply. Bootshine > Dragon Kick > Fire's Reply > Bootshine > Dragon Kick > Perfect Balance > Boot Shine > Dragon Kick > Bootshine > Dragon Kick > Elixir Burst > Bootshine was a really strong burst tech, and fit into that niche optimization that Optimal Drift left behind

@@limontree476 im personally a fan of it too, but I was certain they were going to patch it since the class wasnt intended this way

Isn’t that 1-2-3-4? I’m guessing it’s because the Leaping Opo buffed skill is the most potency and doing it in 4 GCds is simpler quicker than going through the whole rotation.

​@@sergel024 doesn't exists. There's only 3 forms

Amen to that, im much the same boat. Plz leave it alone SE

I've only reached lvl 90 Viper so far, so I can't say how much change will happen until lvl 100 but Viper has been more or less "click the shining button to do dmg" and positionals are easy to remember....not sure how much more busy it will get but so far it hasn't been too busy imo If they're going to make it "easier", it might actually make the job less engaging and therefore more monotone and boring I'd say

Happy to find myself in the same boat as funny Honkai man, Viper is a treat to play and I can’t see anything good coming out of making it any easier than it already is

Same here Its a simple and straight forward job. For that its fast pasted and it feels good. I think ppl are so used with autopilot on muscle memory that they cant deal with having a changing 123 combo

​@dl4071 it'll be boring af without positionals. There are a few wall bosses in Dawntrail and I've noticed that the rotation doesn't matter AT ALL when fighting them. Without positionals the rotation becomes trivial, whereas with positionals you have to think a bit.

The problem with SAM these days is they just don't seem to know what they're doing with it. It's like adding Shoha 2 then taking it away in the next expansion. They really didn't think it through apparently.

@@yanipheonu which is weird cause you'd think of all the DPS, Samurai would be the easiest to understand. you are the BLM of the melee's. you are there to cause big number. you have no support abilities. you do big number and that is all. so surely the main things you'd want to give Samurai is bigger numberer abilities, or ways to make your big number get bigger.

Yes, this please. Can’t believe they’re totally ignoring this. Tsubame change is terrible.

Yesh couldnt agree with this more. SAM was literally the most popular melee by the end of Endwalker. it didnt need this change and no one that knows what they are doing asked for this.

@@yanipheonu Weirdly, if Shoha 2 hadn't been _added later,_ I think a lot of people wouldn't have had as much issue with it. We already had that same sort of duality between Guren and Senei, between Shinten and Kyuten. One was a single-target spender, one was an AoE spender. Frankly, I don't understand what about the argument against Shoha 2 that doesn't _also_ just as relevantly apply to both Guren and Kyuten. Or Bloodletter and Rain of Death. Or Hellfrog vs Bhavacakra. Or Fester vs. Pain Flare. There are _numerous_ examples of ST/AoE duality in resource spenders. Honestly, I think the main thing people had a problem with in regards to Shoha 2 is that it was added later, as an "expansion feature", and felt extremely superfluous and low-effort as a result. At least with Senei, you get Guren _first,_ and Senei is the single target nuke upgrade. If Shona 2 had just been introduced at the same time as Shoha, I seriously doubt anyone would have been complaining about it (especially if they gave it a _better name!_ )

What I'm hearing from some people is that the four different positianals options in the third part of the basic combo cause t people to tunnel vision on their hotbars

@@brycemoose7026 so there is something to improve at?

Have you played viper? It's extremly busy. There's alot of positionals and I find myself having to focus on my hotbars and positioning (obviously) way more than the fights themselves

@@Super_Death There's effectively 4 positionals, two rear, two flank. I say this because the two variants of your 1-2-3 are essentially the same, if it's green it's flank if it's red it's rear and they just alternate if you follow the dotted line. Then there's the two coils, hunters is flank and swiftskin is rear. Nothing else has a positional.

@@Super_Deathif it changes to a green skill icon it’s a flank, red is rear. It alternates back and forth every single time, no thinking required. It’s based on which button you hit in the 2nd part of the combo. They made THREE different ways to tell you what positional you’ll hit. If you still struggle to figure it out, that’s entirely your fault.

Yeha idk why he thought 30s or 40s. Im also assuming it'll be 55s.

I betting that the only change is gonna be to the third part of the basic combo. Either getting rid of 2 of the options or just removing those positionals on those actions which i doubt

Why am I the only one thinking it's NOT busy..? And I mained Summoner/Machinist before

@bianka4001 I also mained Summoner before. It's busy in the sense you push a lot of buttons quickly, but it's still very simple and straight forward. It's all very easy to understand and feels smooth.

"Pick any other melee job." Drg opener doing the kool-aid man entry

this

The devs should listen to my feedback and ignore everyone else

Yeah! Only feedback that I agree with!

Yes no shit some of our most unhinged that don’t understand mmos are the loudest

The only way to make them hear us is the forums. So time to cry about vipers getting gutted because people can't press buttons.

Tbh that is the grievance I am having with Picto. Yeah, the job is super strong, but the leylines if they are going to be randomly forced should last a bit longer since they gate an 1100 potency attack. EX1 is beyond annoying trying to optimize them since on pull you have to constantly dodge back and forth into your leyline during movement that lines up on every 2 minute almost. At least outside of the pull you can use the 5 stacks on more instant casts, but that still requires you being in the leylines.

@@amethonys2798 Probably my most _serious_ grievance with Picto is that you cannot use Hyperphantasia stacks unless within the bounds of your drawn circle. If you have to move after placing it, your final Rainbow Drip just gets yeeted. I get not getting the damage buff if not in the area, and maybe even losing the haste buff, but we really need to still be able to burn those Phantasia stacks. Also wouldn't be sad if the area were a bit larger. I feel like a LOT of the new DT "capstones" have this issue. RDMs lose theirs if they are forced out of melee at the wrong time. Ninjas lose theirs if they're forced to interrupt Ten Chi Jin. Warriors lose theirs if they miss a Fel Cleave. The effect has been to make the 2-minute window that much more crucial, and that much more punishing if something goes awry.

Devs seem like they are letting xiv crash and burn. Its just more of the same since 2.0 with jobs no one cares about.

So, in other words, they should've just left Plunge and Rough Divide alone? Just like they did for WAR & PLD's gap closers? Honestly, some of these DT changes have been baffling to me.

@@ClydeJHatbirdThe idea is good, they want you not use your gapclosers on doing damage so you have them ready for when you actually need to quickly get back in. It is weird though that only Gunbreaker and Dark Knight got this change.

the job will be busy, my only issue I have the job is Noxious Gnash being only 20 seconds, not enough time to really use everything in your opener

​@@Ark_Netherlacks a raid buff, lacks a defensive as well. It literally has the least amount of utility in the game of any class.

@@ShadowyDeathSin There sure is time enough with a 20/40 second timer. You'll use your basic 1-2 to get the recast buff, and then proceed to open up from there which means you go into Reawaken with a 30 second Noxious Gnash. I don't see a need to change that per se, but I also wouldn't be averse to a 30/60 second window like others regardless of the job feeling perfectly fine right now.

@@Ark_Nether how do you determine it's strength? I have seen stats for 2 extremes and Viper is top adps, ndps on Valigarmanda

When doing your opener the debuff shouls be at 40s before you Awaken. If you go into Awaken with only 20s you're doing something wrong. ​@@ShadowyDeathSin

No, but they WILL. Just accept it.

@@mr.gamingz Nah, what we need to do is be louder than the fucking smooth brains making noise on the forums. It’s that simple.

Except when the AST drops Earthly Star because they think you're doing small pulls, lol.

Regens don't pull aggro any more, so healers don't really care now.

@noraptorshere8206 wasn't referencing regens, just the fact that sometimes ground placed spells can get wasted if the rest of the party misunderstands the pause.

They'll thank you by pulling ahead and getting aggro and expecting you to run around in circles trying to catch all the mobs they're running around with

Sorry, stupid question but, does double tap meant hitting aoes twice to mobs before continuing to aggro more in the dungeon? Is it so that they dont lose aggro?😅

THE END IS NIGH!! >.>

I say just tell everyone to drift THEIR rotation to fit in with AST.

"Because Holy Spirit being a 25y attack puts PLD at an advantage" or something like that. I think it's dumb and all tanks should get gap closers at lvl 54-56.

Because they do t care about players QoL before Lvl 80. The content is dead anyway (free)

We are talking about a game that treats people who have dozens of hours of playtime and instanced content behind them as beginners who by no means could already know how to properly play the game because muh toxicity and muh elitism.

problem is solved if you just double tap and go. one more gcd used to secure AoE aggro doesnt really slow down a dungeon run.

@@shinon748 Not really. Even with two AoE from the tank, I take the aggro back of half the pack in only two or three skills with picto or sumoner. Before, with sumoner, I used to get one or two then I run on the tank, but now it's really half of it in every packs.

@@Chaotique0Weirdly, it happens all the time when I’m playing Pictomancer, but I’ve yet to have it happen when I’m playing Tank. Are people just not using their cold-downs on mobs?

Definitely agree with you on the BLM front. I was really hoping to see something along the lines of their comments about Monk in the Black Mage section. Even as someone who has only played 'standard' rotations, the job just feels incredibly clunky with the Dawntrail changes. Potency I could care less about, I just want the job to feel fun. I'll probably just give Picto a shot.

i dont think its job simplification for viper i think if you tried bringing it to the 2 ex trials you would see 2 min burst are kinda insane with how busy it is + having to do mechanics if they kept the same fight design philosophy as they did in EW sure busy 2 min is fine but this new era of raid design it definitely need some changes

Also agree on the BLM front. Was a BLM main, went to do a fate to test the new rotation and it felt so flat. Hated it. Now playing picto, and its fun af.

​​@@Redcritxx Viper probably has the easiest 2min out of any melee job. You just press along 5 buttons twice and thats it. You dont even have to look at your hotbar for it.

@@Redcritxxbrother viper 2min burst is literally the easiest out of the melee dps. Wtf are you talking about. it’s literally 2 reawakened back to back with no position holy shit. People like you don’t even know what you are talking about. the reawakened combo is literally the shroud/communio, the other easy burst in the game.

I thought it was an attempt to make the rotation loop nicely every 60 seconds instead of the weird 61s (or whatever it was) loop they had before.

Its acctually the opposite. The rotation is now a 61s loop, and use to be 60s ​@@RekiWylls. The recast change fucked up a lot of sam timings

But then SE would actually have to be creative.

And that's unacceptable. Imagine SMN having fun...

Thats why i dont use it realy, i just run into groups and Aoe them. i only use it in fights as gapcloser nothing else.

The issue is that even if you hit all the enemies with your AoE, the AoE doesn't generate enough enmity to out-aggro a pictomancer. When I play tank, even if I get aggro on all the enemies with an AoE, the pictomancer's huge damage burst will manage to generate more aggro than my AoEs did and cause them to be targeted. That's why it's necessary to change this!

Why are you using your gapcloser to instigate?

Bruh Reaper’s currently top of the dps charts

@@johnstajduhar9617yeah, get a party of a bunch of Lala Painters, and you’ll see how things melt.

It's definitely overtuned, but I don't want to see it doing less that SMN or RDM without a combat raise. As it stands the fact that it outcompetes not just BLM but SAM in aDPS is kinda crazy given that it has a party dps buff and a 10% party shield on what is effectively a 60 sec CD

Nope gonna be mega nerfed and your days of terrors are over hahahahaha

⁠​⁠​⁠@@johnstajduhar9617I believe they’re referring to last expansion, where Reaper was probably the best melee dps at the beginning of the expansion, so the devs nerfed it and then kinda just left it there while giving big buffs to the other melee jobs repeatedly. Also the expansion is barely over a week old, people really shouldn’t be looking at damage charts as meaning anything whatsoever.

It was at least from what I can tell. I don't understand mana management issues as I find it might be more of a user issue.

Skill issue. I didnt even know aggro loss was a thing until i saw this post. And I knew it was gonna happen. Tanks have gotten accustomed to not pulling bosses with tomahawk or whatever and pulling with a dash. Its annoying as fuck because the boss isnt positioned correctly and now its seeping into dungeons

@@UltimegaSeven Two different situations. Boss pulls aren't the problem, it's the pulls of mob packs in dungeons. Atm the 0 damage dashes don't affect the mobs, which have them ignore the tank until a few moments later either the face pull triggers or you cast an AoE. These few moments slow already down the flow, because the mobs aren't moving in that short time. The dashes just need any target-directed effect, like 1 dmg or a weak provoke.

Oh so wait, is the GNB gapcloser gonna draw aggro now?! This was my biggest gripe in losing it as an attack

Soooo maybe it's just me, but I usually do at a MINIMUM 2 aoe gcd buttons per pull. Having played since 2.0, I remember the abysmal emnity/damage stance dancing and having to always make sure I hit everything at least once. Like it's not that hard hurting the next aoe button in your combo to keep aggro

@@YuukiArt-94 I do the same, but that doesn't change the dps that cant keep it in their pants and full burst meanwhile u run. espec pictos are extremely guilty of this and pull aggro. I espec "like" if they even stand still at the spot they started casting, completely at the other end of the wall to wall pull. obv this has always been a problem, but the other expansions u could still keep aggro in most cases anyway. but since picto is rly busted in terms of dmg u have now the players that don't understand wall to wall at all with dmg they honestly shouldn't have.

You shouldn’t be using the gap closer on mobs for anything other than damage or getting back in after their aoes though.

I don't know if this will help you, but for my layout, which is on kb, I actually go Steelfang->dreadfang->hunters den->swiftskin den for the generations. So it's ST ST AoE AoE since both the single target and AoE skills get changed for the generations.

@@silvinity4939 I'm on controller using cross hotbars :(

​@@BlackXSunlightI know this might not help but for burst phases if they feel off in someway on controller I turn one side of one of my cross hotbars into a burst phase hotbar.

@@toomanyinterests2271 I’m testing that out in a bit. Feels weird having buttons mapped multiple times but I might have to for my own sanity

@@BlackXSunlight Yeah, I know what you mean with the weird multiple buttons procing the same ability. Dancer is the same way with its dance steps... It's just something you have to deal with on WXHB. The way I have it mapped is that the Fangs are on right side on the R2, and the Coils are on the same places on L2 so that I don't need to hit left side at any point during Reawaken. Hope that helps!

Depends on the jobs tbh. Picto has absurd prio damage on whoever they hammer or use their OGCD on which isn't unlikely to rip threat like 4 globals in compared to a tank's like 200 potency aoe filler.

@@amethonys2798 yeah, I haven't seen it yet myself, but I might soon when doing my roulettes. I think I'd be content if they raised the emnity generation on AOE by a smidge where 2 aoes are still required, but picto shouldn't be pulling right away. *shrugs* we will see.

I have not once ever lost aggro to anyone at any point while leveling or while tanking the last dungeons. I have however pulled aggro from several tanks when leveling dps. So honestly it’s a skill issue I don’t know what else to say here. Square will cover it up like they always do though. So the community will be sheltered from self improvement and personal responsibility once again.

the only issue I have with the dash is it should work no matter target or npc since it don't do dmg anymore

Yes, I've had similar experiences. Dashing no longer pulls the pack to you--it puts you close. As soon as your DPS see you dash, they blast, and all the pack rushes back to the others. I've not even been using dash, I've been running at normal speed and opening with AoE to hopefully keep the DPS from seeing me say "CHAAARGE!"

Ninja is my main and I've never thought it wasn't good

@@ninja31623 it is good in my opinion too, but you never know, they could do anything to it to ruin it. Like making you stand still to do ninjutsu or making it so all ninjutsu is cancelled if you don't do combos first. They can ruin any class if they keep adding or removing stuff to make everything weaker or easier.

@@kokayinewsome9308 yea the only thing I'd like is a longer earth style. 18 seconds isn't enough to be able to use fire and wind on top of it.

@@ninja31623 it used to be longer but they shortened it because ninja DMG was too high smh

no everything must be 100% homogenized! no mechanical differences between jobs, only different colors and particle effects!!1!1!! /s if not obvious. seriously worried about them gutting two of the two most fun jobs theyve made less than a week from launch

the problem is pictos burst is WAY overtuned. at the moment picto has the highest burst in the game and its not even remotely close.picto can have burst, thats fine, but it shouldnt be nearly double that of the next highest. and their damage doesnt fall off that much.

If I’m not mistaken, the balance did preliminary testing, and picto on average deals the highest DPS in the game right now. Like yeah their dmg dips outside of bursts, but across a fight their overall DPS is unmatched. The solution should be to buff other jobs and not do the horrendous dumpstering they did to Reaper

@@N00bie666 burst only matters in dungeons or very specific trials/raids (which are few and far between), and we definitely shouldn't be nerfing jobs based on *dungeon pulls* which is where burst is actually nice.

they still are #1 in logs

Meanwhile picto can have up to 12 seconds of uptime while the boss is untargetable 🤣

Uh, welcome to SAM's world lol. Yes you have meditate but the buffs can and will drop during basically any downtime, and you just refresh them when the boss returns with Meikyo, exactly the same as Dreadwinder on Viper (and DW is a monstrous amount of potency as is).

@@Auesis see that's the thing: you have meditate. Viper doesn't even have that. Even if Viper's version would've been weaker, I would've been happy with any sort of downtime compensation, but there's nothing, which is my main issue.

welcome to the suffering of a gunbreaker, they probably won't ever change it either

I just don't like positionals so the less I have to do the more fun I'm having.

It really doesn’t have that expression at all lol… it just is very punishing to miss inputs and they have no business making it even easier

@@Exaltable It's bizarre to me that the combo doesn't gate off the incorrect buttons. Why do the Coil skills not just light up ONLY twinfang or twinblood, and then only light up the opposite relevant button in the combo? It's needlessly punishing, especially while learning. Sure, you have the opportunity to misinput on your 1-2-3 on any job at any time, but Twinfang and Twinblood are only accessible after Coiling to begin with. It just seems like an oversight.

@@kriesas Honestly, my beef with Twinfang and Twinblood is that their recast it soo short. The oGCDs on it have a recast of only 1.0s, and when you're trying to double-weave them back to back, key spam is a thing. It's too easy to accidentally double-cast one of the two instead of doing one then the other, imo. Increasing the recast on them to 1.5s, or even 2.5s, would be sufficient for this. There's _never_ a case where you're going to want to double-warve the same Twin button anyway. Also, I really don't think Serpent's Tail deserves to exist. Imo everything that currently goes to Serpent's Tail should just pop up on both Twinfang and Twinblood. Having _three_ different "various oGCDs will show up here" is a metric pain, imo.

⁠@@KaedysKorYou have no idea what youre talking about lol. The recast on the twin abilities is that short because you double weave them. If you increased the recast, youd clip super hard. This is just a skill issue. I spam mine like 2-3 times and they work fine 99% of the time. This job has few buttons already. How is it hard to have 3 ogcd buttons?

Also give back Ice Paradox and Sharpcast. Why did they get rid of Sharpcast? ;~;

Wow what happened to BLM between expansions ​@@saitomitsurugi18

@@saitomitsurugi18 Sharp is gone because you just automatically get firestarter from paradox and thunderhead is supposed to be an automatic thundercloud proc. I definitely foresee a buff to high thunder's potency, it's something that wouldn't force them to also increase other potencies. Fire 4 would mean despair and flare star would have to be buffed too. Also I think the potency loss to high fire 2 and flare was unnecessary and may be reverted but less confident.

Wait that's why? I haven't looked at all of the changes. I didn't know the potencies were bad. I just miss it because it saved my ass so many times.

This! For those unfamiliar with the situation, potency isn't just about balance - it affects the rotation. In AoE, if Flarestar is instant, Transpose > Freeze > Freeze > Transpose (with clipping!) > AF1HF2 is stronger than the intended rotation.

"Just slow down and waste time" is what you just said. im good. the changes are needed

​@@N00bie666name checks out

Tried it to see if it makes a difference; if the Picto zergs hard enough on one minion they'll still get aggro. Which would be fine if players catch up with the tank but instead they run away and move the minion away from my ranged attack / Provoke. Oh well, with the update back to just 1 AoE, looking forward to it.

My friend, playing tank, always do two aoe because she know that, playing SMN, I always get the aggro back. And even before I had always one or two mobs on me and I just run on her so she can get it back. Now, even with the two AOE, as a Picto for Dawntrail, I do two skill and I have half the pack on me immediately, not just one or two. And if the healer is not fast enough (or my friend, thanks PLD), I'm almost dead even before reaching her. And that's the same with SMN. So yeah, there is a problem right now that even two AoE like before can't solve.

@@N00bie666 "I don't want to spend even 2.5s playing the game more than I need to." Is what you just said. I'm good. What's important is the quality of time spent not how much.

Whats there to sound off about exactly? Wait the 1-3 weeks and see what the changes are.

Healers have been way ahead of you.

Kaiten was trash so it wasn't missed.

@@Zikk0_o Less so Kaiten's removal, more so They didn't buff potencies to match what was taken.

@@Zikk0_o Literally untrue xD you can say "i don't miss it" or "people I know don't miss it" but "it wasn't missed" is provably false.

Note that high fire 2 is actually bad to use for optimal aoe now. Flare spam is the way if you know how (something like freeze, filler, transpose, flare, flare, flarestar, repeat?)

@@angelsoflolz I don't care I'm a casual with a bad BUT FUN FOR ME rotation which, before Dawntrail, was melting everything without a care about mana Now, either I had to stop doing something or can't do it in the first place because I need to manage my mana. Such fun! If I could play like before, at least I'd have something to do once I finally can leave anything DT related for good before my sub runs out

@@KanetsidohiKanotoush Funny isn't it. In trying to make BLM more "appealing" or "streamlined" they actually made it annoying/impossible for anyone not doing the specific intended rotation. Not to mention the extremely obvious mana upkeep oversight they introduced with this that everyone saw coming a mile away as soon as we heard of the changes. Square job design team are showing their continued mediocrity this go around.

Lightspeed is also good in situations where you have to move and dps

I also missed the positional for those moves as well. I definitely don't want them gone though, and will be using them now

Heal anything past level 95 and get back with me about that. I was rooting for Esunaga but instead we just got more intense heal phases.

Your one fc mate doesn't represent everyone is my guess.

I don't bother with positionals either, they are tedious and not fun, cry about it.

​​@@whodis3489 Imagine complaining about casting with a mage...

@@whodis3489 Skill diff. Literally requires one fucking step. Garbage ass players like you need to disappear.

I agree with you. People not voicing that jobs are fine or don't need much changes got us to the point where everyone was complaining about homogenization of jobs. we now have a busy job in viper and people are already complaining. If they touch viper now the cycle of complaints will continue let there be harder or busy jobs if you can't keep up either practice or drop the job not all jobs are for all people.

​@AlphaAtlas98 thank you. I swear this game combat scene would be so much healthier if people just realized you shouldn't have to love every single job

Square will only listen to your voice if you express that on their official forums. That is where they primarily listen to player feedback.