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You don’t see the danger of your conditioning | Krishnamurti 

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@centinela24542
@centinela24542 4 месяца назад
When you have some ""moments of clarity"" you don´t wanna come back anymore to conditioning, from that point you observe with pretty much more enthusiasm
@angeloiodice9304
@angeloiodice9304 Год назад
He speaks with such urgency, because it is an urgent matter to be addressed by human being if that human being desires freedom. He always speaks in a way that draws you in to his process, engaging you to truly dismantle your stuckness. He is like a surgeon, and wastes no time cutting immediately and with precision. Even though he severed all ties with Theosophy. There was great wisdom in how they chose this child and not another to be a great teacher. He did not prosper in the way they planned, but he did prosper in the same field, in a different manner, his own manner, his own revelations.
@harmanjitsingh1565
@harmanjitsingh1565 Год назад
​​@@brucehitchcock3869 where did K say that? Share the exact clip or book reference.
@winniethuo9736
@winniethuo9736 Год назад
That is my feeling too. I hsve forgotten what attracted me to Theosophy yet its while attempting to understand it I found K. I am glad I found him but what a journey for him to get here!❤
@RajendraPrasad-zc6kh
@RajendraPrasad-zc6kh Год назад
In a interview, JK says, theosophists were actually searching for a kid of this type as they were clairvoyants. He says, they had already chosen a boy from US but upon finding JK , the US boy was sent home.
@yarlkymcfirblatherington9879
@yarlkymcfirblatherington9879 8 месяцев назад
Commenting is pretty pointless when all we need to do is listen to his simple message. Seekers, to me, are often the most annoying and tedious people. They are sanctimonious, believing they can achieve what others can't, completely oblivious to the simple wisdom that some around them naturally have. Enlightenment is a pointless goal, as it's just a projection of the seekers imagination and complementary to their dubious self image. The driven ego is repellent and is the prison of the mind for so-called spiritual people. Enjoy your life, stay awake and observe keenly. Be kind, have compassion and empathy, and have a balanced life.
@GaryMcKinnonUFO
@GaryMcKinnonUFO Год назад
I read 'The Awakening of Intelligence' when i was 22, changed my life. Liked and subbed.
@TheEndoson
@TheEndoson Год назад
It’s only when you are confused, not clear, then you choose, and out of that choice, you create conflict. So true
@sugarfree1894
@sugarfree1894 Год назад
Not only do we not see the danger of our conditioning, we don't see our conditioning at all.
@4thwalltv
@4thwalltv Год назад
Yup
@ForeverTillend
@ForeverTillend 8 месяцев назад
Why don't we see
@ramsesmensink4080
@ramsesmensink4080 8 месяцев назад
@@ForeverTillend find out yourself, really look for it, i'm trying to do this aswell
@bahrambagheri9739
@bahrambagheri9739 5 месяцев назад
Becouse we are conitioned not to understand😂 Becouse sound oh hesds / thoughts and imotion running all the time 24/ 7 days without our understanding/ automatically😢 Therefore we can not observe what is going on in our body/brain. Our attention is lost itself in objects😮. We are not awaken from this dream🎉.
@centinela24542
@centinela24542 4 месяца назад
When you have some ""moments of clarity"" you don´t wanna come back anymore to conditioning, from that point you observe with pretty much more enthusiasm
@Searcherpqpqpq
@Searcherpqpqpq Год назад
His teaching is so simple but one requires seriousness...
@denverspin
@denverspin Год назад
No, just your attention. To be patiently alert.
@nobodyreally
@nobodyreally Год назад
Nice timing, a couple days ago I found a tiny snake in the garden and one of my family members who is 90 has been going on and on about it, warning "be careful, they are dangerous" etc. Me finding and holding it didn't sit well with him - it brought back some memories, he is afraid of them because of his time in Vietnam.
@quentinr6261
@quentinr6261 Год назад
What extraordinary clarity.
@mtmtmtmt
@mtmtmtmt Год назад
I saw the danger of conditioning when I was 40...and still facing it 20 years after.
@porothashawarma2339
@porothashawarma2339 Год назад
I’m 27 is it too late?
@ob-ewankenobi2473
@ob-ewankenobi2473 Год назад
@@porothashawarma2339 It's never too late for anything. And even if it is "late", it's better "late" than never.
@greghoward3573
@greghoward3573 Год назад
I was like 7. Became hard to fit in after that lol. Oh well. I'm laughing at myself as I am in this conversation. Happens from time to time.
@seeutube8860
@seeutube8860 Год назад
Cost of self production...
@chinchilla_462
@chinchilla_462 Год назад
​@@porothashawarma2339 Breaking through conditioning, through all the held beliefs is an incredible journey and it's never too late to start. It's also the most rewarding journey as it benefits every aspect of your life and that of people around you, may all beings be at peace
@JustAn0therSoul2
@JustAn0therSoul2 Год назад
"Choice only exists when there is confusion" 10:35
@pilargarcia6724
@pilargarcia6724 Год назад
Muchísimas gracias!!!❤🙏😊
@sadiqrehman2208
@sadiqrehman2208 Год назад
Absolutely great dialogue for guidance w hich required for ordinary people
@agatadelaparra1789
@agatadelaparra1789 Год назад
We have not been trained to recognize conditioning and even though having learned and practiced awareness, remembering the danger of being who we are not, our mechanism functions between returning and leaving altogether. Time after time.
@jairasoi7806
@jairasoi7806 Год назад
Thanks to my father who introduced me to Krishnamurti through books as a child. Pranam.
@akhiladwarak
@akhiladwarak Год назад
Same, although my Dad only introduced him to us as kids, he never influenced us in anyway. it was only much later on our own journeys that we stumbled upon JK again.
@cheri238
@cheri238 Год назад
Choiceless awarness is the stillness.
@charliesomoza5918
@charliesomoza5918 Год назад
As always exceptional
@ReynaSingh
@ReynaSingh Год назад
Wonderful
@thewilliamrah
@thewilliamrah Год назад
We are in danger of wasting our enitre lives, trying to satisfy the 'me' whose very nature is dissatisfaction. Even if we get what the me wanted, it is far inferior to what we could have had. If a caterpillar had goals, it would try to have 200 legs instead of 100. It would never conceive of becoming a butterfly. That would be fat beyond its imagination. So the same is true with us when it comes to our nature.
@cristiplopeanu
@cristiplopeanu Год назад
Careful, you're oversimplifying the nature of the mind.
@thuggospel
@thuggospel 3 месяца назад
grand rising all powerzzz up
@ishapattanashettar9504
@ishapattanashettar9504 Год назад
Thank you 🙏🙏
@proudzerzurancitizen
@proudzerzurancitizen Год назад
divide from the me that divides leave behind progress to advance 🎉
@pandurangareddy2751
@pandurangareddy2751 Год назад
Thanks
@kft
@kft Год назад
Thank you for your support
@jay1778
@jay1778 Год назад
Beautiful video 😍
@ralf.starke
@ralf.starke Год назад
So true!
@debashissengupta2396
@debashissengupta2396 Год назад
Conditioning is everywhere. If you try to escape one , another will grip you .
@tuquansing5606
@tuquansing5606 2 месяца назад
When there has a choice then there has confusion.
@suganthikaruna7466
@suganthikaruna7466 Год назад
The 'me' should be purified by avoiding lust, vengeance, miserliness, greed, ego, envy. The pure consciousness which is devoid of all the six above has no conflict and so not conditioned by any outer source or authority.
@swyveu
@swyveu Год назад
whenever you say "should be', you are missing the point.
@dmnC1541
@dmnC1541 Год назад
And what would that give to me?
@mikelarry88888
@mikelarry88888 11 месяцев назад
Krishnamurti would have done well to follow that advice himself.🤣
@rlgraves
@rlgraves Год назад
Very helpful extract, KFT
@valdirbergamobergamo5396
@valdirbergamobergamo5396 Год назад
Thanks a lot
@beezee7691
@beezee7691 2 месяца назад
Yes K
@savagehippie1453
@savagehippie1453 Год назад
Up to 1:55 what a precise question, a very difficult one I might add. LOOK LISTEN 6:29! 7:59
@mavrosyvannah
@mavrosyvannah Год назад
I was born unconditionable. This defect made me the wisest man to exist. Now I free millions from the vail.
@fadilahmed3137
@fadilahmed3137 Год назад
Glad to hear it
@jt.8144
@jt.8144 Год назад
Blame the 'internet' for Today's Generation of Confused individuals. Desperately trying to "define much more find their True Selves" while living vicariously through others on the internet. REALIZE THAT.
@Veerboricha
@Veerboricha 3 месяца назад
👌👌👌👌👌👌
@mavrosyvannah
@mavrosyvannah Год назад
As the MASTER this servant can calm down a little. Relax a bit.
@pacho2130
@pacho2130 Год назад
My 100's of generations have said peaceful community is also dangerous
@beezee7691
@beezee7691 2 месяца назад
Yea because, notwithstanding the poor animal, we are vibrant and broad and a snake, mechanically metaphorically speaking, simply sways from left to right, left to right.
@MEDHARAMJEETKUMARGECNAWADACHAU
@dipchips
@dipchips 6 месяцев назад
Practice Zen and you will find many 'Me's' I. Even then whats the point. One day we die all.
@ujjwalja647
@ujjwalja647 Год назад
How to I know how dangerous thoughts are? rookie here please show some guidance
@julianal.573
@julianal.573 Год назад
💐
@saiakash6395
@saiakash6395 5 месяцев назад
How to find out this if we are completely conditioned
@saiakash6395
@saiakash6395 5 месяцев назад
I mean we don't get this how to discover the unknown if we in the trap of known and can't able to find the unknown
@davidjames1815
@davidjames1815 5 месяцев назад
K is well-spoken and has an engaging presence, but having a natural mind (as they say, being ENLIGHTENED) and teaching/communicating are 2 different considerations. One consideration does not necessarily translate into the other. Teaching and communicating are definitely skill sets. Ppl did not understand what he said bcz the natural "go-to" is; HOW DO I DO WHAT HE SUGGESTS? And there's no how to w regard to natural mind. The activity of asking any question is the very activity of blocking the natural mind from manifesting, as it were. So he needed to seek assistance in delivering his message rather than flushing 60 yrs of his life down the drain repeating the same things over and over again never endingly. Having said that, there has never been a spiritual being on the face of this world EVER who was as immense and w such tremendous integrity as Jiddu Krishnamurti. That's a FACT...😮 Jesus and Buddha were a couple of goof-balls compared to this guy.
@KieranNorth-qr3ij
@KieranNorth-qr3ij 4 месяца назад
Jesus and Buddha weren't goofballs, it's the people who tried to emulate them who were the goofballs.
@praveennov
@praveennov Год назад
It's not about seeing , it's feeling unable to do anything about it.
@ivanvincent7534
@ivanvincent7534 Год назад
Allow the inability. Allow the feeling of being unable. Seeing that is the doing.
@O-Shoonyam-O
@O-Shoonyam-O 8 месяцев назад
⭕ It's same with all the religions ⭕
@eye1_s
@eye1_s Год назад
I'm ashamed by myself
@soniahazy4880
@soniahazy4880 Год назад
🛸🤩🙏🎼💎🪷🌟🌈🧩🦋
@alanmegenavarro14
@alanmegenavarro14 Год назад
One does not see the full meaning of the 'me' in the present moment. So it is not fully understood. We call the 'me' the bad inferiors things wich we hate and don't like and judge in others and in ourselves and think that is the 'Me': one could not possible be so far away from truth with this view
@lonesomealeks4206
@lonesomealeks4206 Год назад
what?
@kennedym.
@kennedym. Год назад
CORRUPTION: Conditioning says it is a form of street smart, an extension of self preservation for some. Logic says that if someone pulls off the planks/panels from the hull of a ship to selfishly line their own cabin then everyone in that ship will become shark bait when the vessel sinks.
@dieterstumpf869
@dieterstumpf869 Год назад
❤😂
@srich1876
@srich1876 Год назад
Yes conditioning is a danger. But in the present society we can't live like that. Like living without self. You will be taken advantage of You are isolated You are seen as selfish (this is highlet) You might say all these are not your issue yes exactly it's the issue of others But it's still going to effect me.
@Willow61
@Willow61 Год назад
It's a possible thought.
@randylayhey
@randylayhey Год назад
Selfish and unselfish is a double bind, if you or anyone you know are attempting to be unselfish, theyre doing it for selfish reasons.
@lifecanbe
@lifecanbe Год назад
If the concept of 'me' is not important what and who is important then.... I don't understand this man and his conclusions...Each human being live in a culture, a community, a society with developed socio-economic structures....therefore we all are conditioned in a way and it is almost impossible to step out from it...
@Willow61
@Willow61 Год назад
K. Dosn't talk about, is the me important.
@isaacgarcia2979
@isaacgarcia2979 Год назад
@@whenisasnakeatail4933 all he is saying is look for growth not pleasure, that’s it. He said a lot to explain that.
@winniethuo9736
@winniethuo9736 Год назад
​@@whenisasnakeatail4933 I think if we start understanding his emphasis on 2.22 we may just..... Wish you peace and love.
@ivwananjinakamba70
@ivwananjinakamba70 Год назад
The me which is the ego that he's referring to is important but as human beings we've overemphasized it's importance. We are strongly attached to it and it seems we think that it is who we are. But the ego is just like your arm, playing a function for you to exist in this universe.
@rishisirju5606
@rishisirju5606 Год назад
The larger group.
@shankar9000
@shankar9000 Год назад
Why talk all hypothetical. Human behaviour depends on the influence of the society he lives in, his liking, his ambition. It is a fight for survival, survival and better survival. You can not change a person by the hypothetical theories. That is the world and you have to accept it. As long as one does not harm others he is noble.
@mikelarry88888
@mikelarry88888 11 месяцев назад
It might sound hypothetical to some people because their awareness can not reach the level needed to check whether it's a fact.
@dr.sagarguru9356
@dr.sagarguru9356 Год назад
Naastik logo ko kaun samjhaye aab.
@z0uLess
@z0uLess Год назад
he has such hateful mannerisms
@Gigosula
@Gigosula Год назад
I guess its a main thing that makes me worried when listening to him, i am not sure that love and inacceptance can co-ocure
@tonyohalloran8817
@tonyohalloran8817 Год назад
eastern mystic drivel
@sanjeevofficialchannel7290
@sanjeevofficialchannel7290 Год назад
J Krishnamurti ji brings tears. He is very careful while speaking and choosing the words so that we are not distracted during journey of self enquiry. Thanks to you all.
@MrSudeepsharma
@MrSudeepsharma 7 месяцев назад
''When that enjoyment is pursued by thought, wanting it to be repeated tomorrow, then it becomes pleasure. And pleasure has nothing whatsoever to do with joy. '' Beautifully explained.
@roam2
@roam2 Год назад
there has to exist 2 worlds, not everyone is going to get in this lifetime ,and that is fine without a system this place would be much much worse, thats why money and a society was created, its needed, there was a time i was against it all and wanted everything torn down, (luckly I never acted out on these physically)but when you get the message, there is another world to become apart of. we must go inward there's nothing outside of ourselves that will bring true happiness. see you forever
@violetafarcas2852
@violetafarcas2852 7 дней назад
That statement is the result of conditioning. The system is the neurosis, as money is printed and controlled by a very small minority who create the illusion of scarcity to force people into hard labour. I call this modern slavery. Seeing the danger allows me to not place any significance on social constructs. But if I think that without modern slavery it would be worse...then I don't really see the danger of perpetuating more of the same
@lordwhite0
@lordwhite0 Год назад
What more needs to be said? ❤ He gets right to the point.
@WingZeroSymphonics
@WingZeroSymphonics Год назад
This danger is of great focus in the domain of addiction and recovery. The ‘me’ being the content of ones conciousness goes ahead and creates a chooser. A chooser that then has a choice. One between addictive patterns or not. An instaneous solving for this dilemma requires great seriousness. With the maintenance of this seriousness, the brain goes through a mutation. The pathways which creates urges ends. Other pathways are cultivated. The evidence of the brains change is always now. Although the brain can be seen to change over recorded instances. Say through scans. But the observation of the change is always now.
@bongohippie615
@bongohippie615 Год назад
Yes you must admit and agree to be an addict or alcoholic which has no end you must choose to not be which is why AA can be dangerous
@patrascuradu522
@patrascuradu522 10 месяцев назад
What do you mean by this? AA dangerous?
@agucci
@agucci Год назад
The conditioning is really dangerous. The conditioning of the Law.
@mvp5514
@mvp5514 Год назад
Powerful! 🙏
@manoo2056
@manoo2056 Год назад
I find much easier to accept me in paradise, than seeing a danger everywhere. There is plenty of abundance to be wrong , to be right and to just be. Why choose?? Why setting the goal of not setting a goal?? Why do we need to answer all questions and why cannot we create our own answers? I say to me that in paradise there is place for hell, for heaven and even for me. I aldo say that i love my hate, my rejection, and that love is not obligatory otherwise it is not love. You don't have to see it like me, it will be obvious when you love yourself. Each of us is worthy, I trust my brothers and sisters. Your path was always the best path. Krishna had his path and is doing the best to his hability to share it but your path is your path. I love myself when i can out of my free will. I make it as easy as possible for ME. And I am including I on purpose, because my ego is a mirror where i can see my needs. I love my ego, when i can. Become it is not obligatory to love myself.
@swyveu
@swyveu Год назад
You are missing the point. Your ego is talking about hedonism.... He's talking about something completely different.
@surjinsandhu9480
@surjinsandhu9480 17 дней назад
this is one of the best example of our sir jiddu.
@johntuohy1867
@johntuohy1867 Год назад
" Common sense" - the least common of all senses.
@MAXILOGUITARRO
@MAXILOGUITARRO Год назад
K. in this Insight show us the Truth!
@solomit1
@solomit1 Год назад
Great talk thanks
@sushmitasutradhar4880
@sushmitasutradhar4880 Год назад
🙏🏼
@ybwang7124
@ybwang7124 Год назад
that's just redundant speech, you don't see your problem hence it is a problem. If you see your problem you would have fixed it.
@nikhilgouthamsanampudi
@nikhilgouthamsanampudi Год назад
😳😳😳😳
@sebastianb.1926
@sebastianb.1926 Год назад
I don't don't see the danger of my conditioning because there is no I.
@jessir7367
@jessir7367 Год назад
6:33 had me thinking profoundly.
@toobossedup
@toobossedup Год назад
I like the danger for it will destroy them 😂😂
@fitwigebrehiwet1522
@fitwigebrehiwet1522 Год назад
Strongly against a cheap playing cheap
@seanposner8884
@seanposner8884 Год назад
can int get more vintage than the effects of time?
@goofyahhh254
@goofyahhh254 Год назад
Ok
@bhupenbaruah9802
@bhupenbaruah9802 Год назад
🙏💜🕊🕊🕊
@robertopuccianti8498
@robertopuccianti8498 Год назад
🙏💥🧡
@upnrunning4585
@upnrunning4585 Год назад
Igrorance is bliss!!!
@jackdearmitt1328
@jackdearmitt1328 Год назад
Praise be to God The Absolute. I did not want to hear this but I needed too. Sometimes I wonder if watching these videos is just strengthening my ego making me feel like I’m smart when really I only see all this as a mere concept.
@atanubardhan8116
@atanubardhan8116 Год назад
"God" is a condition the society has fooled you into.
@cowzah8551
@cowzah8551 Год назад
I struggle with this as well. Spiritual ego can be far more powerful than the the ordinary material ego.
@swyveu
@swyveu Год назад
that is exactly what you are doing.
@nelsonolivera8059
@nelsonolivera8059 7 месяцев назад
I think it is worth running the risk. It feels important to be aware a direct experience of what is - is possible. These videos bring me this chance of becoming conscious of this possibility of the direct experience.
@michaelmelhorn
@michaelmelhorn Год назад
Why am I on RU-vid again?
@Willow61
@Willow61 Год назад
😂😅😂
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