@@AlanTClark Eh I think Heath Ledger did an amazing job and I would say the same for Joaquin, they depicted very different Jokers and I think they mastered their roles in both.
@@AlanTClark Heath was an incredible actor, but honestly I felt like his performance as Joker is so overrated. Don’t get me wrong because Heaths performance was spectacular, & his improvisations during that role were a testament to his acting skill but…. In the end I really didn’t see much uniqueness/& originality in his portrayal of Joker at all besides his physical appearance in that film. Aside from the physical appearance of Heaths Joker I really don’t see much to be so worked up over about his performance as Joker since it was the same thing Joker has ALWAYS been doing which is being eccentrically crazy/psychotic/violent/highly intelligent/& with a very twisted sense of humor. Joaquin Phoenix’s portrayal on the other hand ACTUALLY WAS BEYOND UNIQUE/CREATIVE/TOTALLY ORIGINAL/& SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW FOR THE CHARACTER OF JOKER THAT NO ONE HAS REALLY EVER SEEN BEFORE ON FILM REGARDING THAT PARTICULAR ICONIC CHARACTER VILLAIN!!!!!!!!!!
"Everybody just yells and screams at each other nobody's civil anymore. Nobody thinks what its like to be the other guy" Ngl that kinda describes our world today
Yeah because 500 years ago the kings cared about the peasants and 2000 years ago the Roman Senate cared about the Thracians they enslaved. Every generation thinks the world they're living in is the worst it's ever been. You're living in the most docile times we've even seen. Quit crying.
Its true but when you would explain to somone wher that happen in socity they would call you names. I took some time in my hands and watched and talked with some peopel and i found a interwst into the incel comunity and i saw that manny when not most really are just bannished from socity for not saying yea to evrything and being enslaved they get called names and evryone laughes so they call the others name because why not they do the same and all peopel think its ok. But when they do it evryone is upset and cancel them somthing like that can fuck your brain. Not to have love a relaitonship or sex fucks you up to some degree but most of them can be ok with it as long they can speak the truth why they Don't have it with somone. And that is mostly well my looks but hey what can i do but they try to taje that away from them and bring them that way to insanity hatred and to some a lust for reveng
@@poppa4352 I was just about to comment that they put there blood sweat and tears into a acting role just to become crazy afterwords it's scary to play those type of rolls like mentally ill characters or killers or serial killers they start feeling what they felt like and shit and then they become what the auditioned for as A Act
@@poppa4352 whenever you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you. Once someone embodies the wrath, envy, & hatred that is humanity's suffering and begin to empathize with it, they will never be the same.
As someone who battles mental illness, this movie touched me on so many levels. The beauty and sadness and heartbreak and yet anger, just anger, is what gets answered. 😢
Joaquin played this part to perfection! We can see Arthur just come undone and the Joker was born the range of emotions in this one scene. Arthur made his mind up and you see the struggle the sadness , anger,and rage...Such a great actor.
I still can’t describe what this scene felt like in theaters. It didn’t feel like a movie. It was disturbing and upsetting but a masterpiece nonetheless
Heath wasn’t hunted by the joker Heath was in Love with a Man named Jake! Acting can leave u in the Abyss role playing can leave you somewhere stuck like on a big mountain! With your back Broke! 😂
Like school shooters, they feel beat down and want revenge and feel they have nothing to lose. But they do have so much to lose and destroying countless families through murder isn't solving anything just making people want to ignore the real issues underlying things
myyyyy father... was...a drinker... and a FIEND! and one night he goes on as crazier than usual.. mommy gets a kitchen knife to defend herself.. he doesnt like that.. not.. one.. bit.. SO.. me watching, he takes the knife to her.. laughing while he does it.. then he turns to me.. and he says.. WHY?!.. SOOO?!.. SERYUUUUSSAH?!
@@nottoothshoes6619 so? im the exact opposite of a karen, not a stockholmed victim, predators dont care what the sheep think. earn your balls back, eunuch.
I’m sorry 😞 but this is truly the truth .Do unto others as they do onto you are the most impactful ways to express wisdom and morals ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️😈
Yeah that was like no good acting made that part so real that we forgot he was acting so is another lvl. Also the msg that he gave. I had enought .... now society need to figure me out instead
@@mackychloe 😄 heath ledger was my favorite Joker. I did not like Jared Leto at all. That Joaquin Phoenix flick was boring and forgettable for me. Did not care for his performance. But that's just me.
People do, more or less but we all have struggles in our lives. Just keep climbing brother and try to block out the weakness ❤️ I have to force myself everyday but my best memories are the moments when I did hard things, I like to sail and trust me trying and moor when it’s raining and windy or even better open see at above 9 in Beaufort scale (I thought I was going to die~11B) you’re strapped but literally running on walls at worst tilts xD. Before you jump to conclusions, yes sailing is expensive but in many ways affordable as well, get a license and charter a boat with your friends (we always prefer to have a full sailor crew but obviously people want to bring their partners, don’t go below 50% crew. Prepare your own meals, and have fun, and remember when it’s tough stay away from the rocks. Make sure that the dock you’re mooring to is sturdy, especially when there is a bad weather forecast, that fkd us once because the dock fell apart (some restaurant island place where you can stay over night and enjoy dinner) it happened at like 3 in the morning, boat rocking, lines are tense almost sounding like lions roaring, going out shirtless (I’m fat so not very hot) feeling hundreds of fast droplets of rain stinging in my back, captain yelling out commands (my father) I’m trying to free the boat while not losing a limb etc. In the morning when it calmed down, my friend and I dove to pull out an engine that fell off during that incident, 1/3 of our rudder (still functional) broke off, winds pushed us towards shallower waters, waves pulling us up and crushing down with our rudder into the rock sea floor. Anyways fortunately it was our boat and insured so not a big deal, could’ve been way worse :) when stuff like this happens try and sail away from the shore as fast as you can, which may be difficult if your boat gets tangled with another two and some parts of the dock and mooring lines, but we managed and everyone was fine, in sailing you can lose a finger on a calm day just maneuvering the boat so remember to not let newbies try unless you explain how things work and what to look out for, it needs to be a sober minded person (figuratively and sometimes literally). Cheers
I agree. heath ledger did great and ik he went through a lot to be able to play the joker the way he meant to....but Joaquin's performance is so strong and moving because it's relatable to feel like him. He's supposed to be a villain but everyone else around him are the real villains. most of us can relate to feeling left out and unworthy. his performance made me v emotional
@@Nathan-eq3zsNo sanity is the natural base line for nearly all human beings. We are all different and perceive things in different ways, however, there is still a spectrum of functional normality.
Man, if you think about it, Joker is a really nice guy. I mean he straight up gave Murray a massive hole in his brain to take in new information. What a really great person!
Funny thing is ... ppl do get to their breaking point ... if u didnt see that in real life you must have luck to not be where ive been , my cousin for exemple lost it after his dad was kill in front of him shot in the head at his door .. he became kinda like that he changed so much felling abandon since he was his only familly , became homeless plus had the debt of his father on his shoulder ... didnt have money to burry him he was only 17 ... i took him with me ... but inside of him something broke ... about 7 monts later... he empty a charger on the guy who did it., still waiting on him to get out of jail to show him ppl still love him , i cant be mad at him for what he did ... he was lost
@@iisthphir I think they did a very good job of capturing what its like in today's world now. Shits lonely, nobody gives a fuck about anyone else anymore, and we're all so isolated. Tensions are brewing in America and people are at their breaking point, just like everywhere else on this planet. Its almost like the only way to fix mankind now is for there to be no more mankind.
Joaquin is beyond amazing... Touches the grip feeling of what society is really feeling but never dare to express... What we can avoid if... We just listen, really listen... He is beyond amazing
Joker in this movie was delusional! He was so focused on himself that he didn't see the problems of others! And this guy showed it really well. Joker was acting like the world hated him when, in reality, it was treating him the same way. From one side, we can see Joker as a victim, but if you pay attention to the people around him... they were normal people!
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@@dandre9626ya he got took off his schizophrenic meds and his mother was living a lie this movie is so under rated it sucks the new movie is with Harley Quinn and of all people lady Gaga I know that was not the plane at first what a waste of a good set-up Im pretty sure it was supposed to be more of a Unbrace of his destress mental health but in this political climate they said "o why how come we fuck this up "o ya this is perfect a musical and a super famous actresses perfect
No it didn’t. This movie sucked. And what else has jouquin done. Overrated. And this movie was just bad. Poor joker lives at home with his mom on welfare. Stupid. Boring. And it’s all society’s fault and joker is a victim. He’s a loser bum and this movie sucked.
No, it's just acting... It's not getting up at the crack of dawn for decades & grinding for the people you love for little or no reward apart from the smiles on your loved ones faces until you are old & fucked.... That's what deserves a life time achievement award... Fucking actors, singers, game show hosts & every other kind of entertainer / celebrity get richly rewarded enough as it is... Life time achievement award, get the fuck outa here
You mean a Oscar or golden globe for beat actor! A lifetime achievement award is for things done over a lifetime, Joaquin Phoenix is too young , and obviously u can’t get a lifetime achievement award for playing a character in a single movie 😂😂😂😂😂😂 ! Hence the title Lifetime Achievement.
Jesus loves you so much he died for you he wants to be your friend accept him before it's too late the rapture is soon God bless you and your family ❤ ❤
@@KingJC. keep holding that over yourself bud it happened over 10,000 years ago and your still preaching his cultist ideology, son of God more like a family of schizophrenics taken seriously in an age where religion reigned over every aspect of your lives...
I agree. I'm not mentally ill but been around people who are. And I've never treated them like the way he was treated I actually felt bad for this version of the joker
@@NinjaSushi2 all the mass shooters were taking the same prescription drugs from their doctors funny how no one talks about that I remember watching as a kid commercials where it would show a drug and at the end it will say and show the side effects very fast one of them was suicidal thoughts.... Like wtf are these drugs doing to these people
I like how Joaquin portrays the joker as not a insane “kills for shits and giggles” clown but a broken man who hides his face behind paint and it is kinda realistic
@@TheSamulator7 agree to disagree in fact it’s really the outcome of the Jokers actions the make his points “good” you see if he would just killed THEN he’d be insane but because he usually presents reasoning first the outcome makes since even when he loses
He kinda had a point the whole time. Society looks a people with simple mental Illnesses an thinks of either 2 things both of them are a check but the way they get that check is what changes. One way they’re gonna have you pay to see someone, then they’re gonna give that person a smaller cut to get you to get on all these drugs when alls you have is adhd. The other way, they make you feel bc of your mental illnesses you won’t amount to nothing make you feel like nothing then you go an do what everyother nothing in this world do, dumb crimes an get booked over it next you know you gotta protect yourself or even you don’t an you get the shit kicked outta you, they’ll add time. Alls I’m saying is mental Ill people are just a check to the government.
I remember at this point in movie, my jaw was on the floor and I wasn't even sitting back in my chair. This movie was an awesome experience on the theater, I will never forget it.
The way he plays out his emotions in this scene is unbelievable! Every camera shot he slowly turns up the anger, frustration, and real tears. It feels so real, this is one of my top 3 scenes ever made on film. ( also I'm remember in the comics joker turns his gun on the audience and takes out alot of them on live tv).
Joaquins’ performance was so phenomenal to me because it resonates so deeply with modern day fate of the “ common man.” The glue that modern society no longer needs…😔
Modern day society just likes to act like they don't need Men. But none of these libbed out dudes or bitchy ass females can raise skyscrapers or lay the roads and foundations they're built upon. Man haters crumble when you ask who will build their houses, pour their driveways, tap oil drills, lay railroad tracks, do all the shit that only real men do for the most part. As long as a man is developed and is a man their isn't a replacement for the value they bring. The same goes for women as well. Unfortunately in our society nobody really wants to be a man, the men want to be boys and the women encourage it because a boy is much easier controlled than a man.
PAUSE. "Doesn't need" < this is WRONG. Society needs the common man more than ever before. Society needs the common man to stand up and say F_CK YOU to the anti-men narrative, F_CK YOU to those that slander masculinity, F_CK YOU to those that reject us for what we ARE. We, the common men, are the only thing keeping this place running and we, the common men, are the only ones that can turn this all around. Stay strong, brother man, and don't ever give up hope on your power to make the future a better place for all. 💪🙏
@@judas1213 Didn’t say that I, was giving up. And I agree with everything you said. However, I live in Seattle, and, this city is rapidly becoming San Francisco north. Full of tech boys who allow their women to completely emasculate them. Along gen. Z simp boys. I would say that the average Seattleite can’t even change a flat tire…😳💯
@Crunch Bar Here we go with another femcell bringing up negative stereotypes during a positive. The "common" man doesn't "pretend" to be alpha because enacting what nature intends them to be isn't pretending. It isn't "pretending" to be an alpha to be dominant and masculine(traits most associated with "bEiNg An AlPhA"). It is the common man's place to be and act according to the way nature intended for us to be.
"To much sanity may be madness, and the maddest of all, to see life as it is and not as it should be." Is a quote i seen not so long ago and wrote down in my book. ✌❤💚
Not really, it’s good, but it’s not even Joaquin’s best performance let alone of all time. Tho its surprising to get this type of performance from a big corporation in mainstream media nowadays
The Joker tried so hard to be good. He was crying while laughing. He did have sympathy. He really did. And they destroyed him. His story resonates with so many in the world today.
Mentally deranged psychopaths.. yes. Mentally ill people that in their good will mean no harm to the world and only need their therapy/medication.. No, absolutely not.
when he says "...I know..." with a tear in his eye and a smirk on his face you can see the last bit of humanity leave him. He's truly gone over the edge.
@@Sorry-sk4kt If it ain't the Murray scene or the one you mentioned then it has to be the dance down the steps in full make-up. (after the scene you said) some people cite the blood smile scene but i believe that scene wasn't even necessary, but to each his/her own. maybe Todd & Joaquin don't even know lol
