YOU KNOW WHAT, SCREW YOU *UNFALLS YOUR CADIA* | Warhammer 40k Lore feat  

"WHEN YOU FIRE THIS WEAPON YOU ARE RUINING SOMONE'S DAY AT SOME TIME! YOU DO NOT EYE BALL IT!" -Mass effect ass chewing

I love that the quote that Kirioth used is one that Bricky used in his Every Faction Explained video but Bricky was right there with DK having no clue.

Imagine your Cadia falling... ''lol'' says the Guard player ''lmao''

I remember posting my results for the 13th Black Crusade back in the day. I was an Emperor's Children player at the time and the state of the EC forums was a unanimous decision to do what we do best...ignore the actual battleplan and find a warzone to goon to death. I remember Inquisitor still being a thing at the time, especially important because of how closely tied it was to the then very new Eisenhorn books...and how the Cadian Pylons are basically all his fault. This was one of the last big hurrah's for converting miniatures as something GW actually promoted and encouraged. The great rift changed a great deal in the 40k setting but also marked a big change in the hobby and how GW approached 40k as a game...there's lots of change both good and bad from my grognards perspective.

18:48 Context for people not following Kirioth: When the infamous dice in the toilet story came out, Kirioth made the joke that everyone should be forced to lick their dice to prove they're not lead, then proceeded to spend I think an hour on-stream designing a T-shirt saying "I LICK MY DICE" which I believe you can still buy on his merch store.

I was there when Eldard died to stop the Blackstone fortress. Some of the stuff staying like the Eldar players conspiracy on message boards to not save Cadia and instead going to the Sentinel worlds bringing back a craft world from the eye of terror. So I don't mind changes

Also, Robert Rath did reference at the beginning of "The Fall of Cadia" many the narrative events of the old campaign. 1) There is a second invasion after the Imperial Navy chases the Chaos fleet out of system, leaving the voidspace lightly defended.

You dang whippersanppers! I was there for Codex Eye of Terror; I painted Underhive Militia for the Third War of Armageddon; My first Space Wolf army began with the list for Rogue Trader, just before they released 2nd Ed 40k. One day you too will have more silver in your beards, difficulty sitting and painting for long periods of time, or keeping up with rules updates that are more frequent than yearly! Otherwise great episode, keep up the good work guys and gal :P

They did a similar thing for Warhammer Fantasy, where games dictated the narrative. Except GW threw a hissy fit when Chaos wasn't winning (cause GW didn't update their rules for that edition) and then proceeded to fudge the numbers and make it look like Chaos was winning, even though they were getting bodied by everyone. It's where the "Grimgor Ironhide, the biggest Fantasy Ork, snuck up behind Archaon the Everchosen (fantasy Abaddon) and kicked him in the balls right before Archaon won" meme came from.

Abbadon to Ursakar E. Creed: "Is that a Warhound Titan, or are you just happy to see me?"

I'd love to see an episode about the history of 40k itself in terms of its beginning and differences between editions and out the game/lore evolved over the years.

16:34 Gencon 2016. I'm the one in the hat. We brought a warlord, 2 reavers, warhound, 10 knights, and 2 heresy forces with primarchs(Puterabo and Lorgar) to their apocalypse game. Was very one sided but man did people come look. Funniest moment, An'ggrath charge a Ta'unar and they proceed to spend the next 2 hours locked in combat without anything happening

Cadia walked so the imperial guard could run

44:28 How is that guy not a World Eater?... oh wait, he's probably from a successor of Khorne's favorite legion.

I initally thought they were going to talk about the Ursula Creed book where they went back to Cadia and found a master list of planets to make Cadia 2.0 that is now being worked on

I was there... I was 8 years old when I talked to my father and we walked into the local hobby store. A game was taking place. Eldar vs Space Marines. I remember the awful, awful plastic minis. The over-the-top artwork on the boxes. I was there when the God Emperor was entombed.

i participated in it back then. my first army were crons. just a flood of ressurecting infantry. or the ever mean half table full of scarabs... i surprisingly mannaged to win alot with roughly 1200 points purely of scarabs.

As someone who was around at the time, the problem in the games was similar to that of what GW did with End Times for Fantasy, forces of order were winning even the ground battles but GW wanted to make the narrative push that chaos won. So at the time they tossed out many games and ignored the results of the posted games to turn it into the "stalemate" which persisted. They did the same thing to an even worse degree when deciding the fate of Fantasy and Order absolutely wiped the floor with Chaos, but GW wanted the narrative to be for Chaos to destroy the world so they could make more appealing models, so they completely ignored the results instead of fudging the numbers. Kirioth mentioned it a bit that no matter what people were going to be upset especially if GW had a planned narrative push, and thats exactly what happened. This is why relying on the community for narrative changes is bad many times because GW writers absolutely love Chaos and have repeatedly stated that no matter the setting their victory is inevitable, which often conflicts with their own lore and events such as this.

14:33 no bricky, the lost and the damned is not the same as the legion of the damned It was basically generic non space marine chaos, like traitor guard and cultists

Our local gw store had an apocalypse game towards the end of this event. There were about 16 people on a 14 foot table, throwing dice at each other. It was mental, and in the end the store counted destroyed models to decide which side won. All i remember is my 1000 points of tyranids (all i had at the time) were wiped out in two turns, except for the hive tyrant that was harassing people, and my younger brother who didnt bring an army got to control a warhound. I was so jealous.

From what i have heard second hand alot and i mean alot of old fans despised the changes with passion which does make sence as they also lived through the end times for fantasy

WELCOME TO THE TEAM @Kirioth

Little 12 year old me took part in the campaign, and it took me a LONG time to get over the retcon. That was the thing that really cemented me in the hobby, the fact that me, as a kid, got to take part in forging the Canon of the game, on the whims of my dice rolls, was a big deal for me, I can live with it now, but there's still a part of me that wishes they had worked around the ending of 13th black crusade, maybe say have one of the big chaos lords arrive to break the deadlock on cadia, causing a second siege of the world, which can then kick-start the retcon events.

Ya know I didn't feel that old until y'all started counting out the years. But back then I played mostly Orks but I remember playing my CSM (All painted up as World Eaters) back then. We used to play at a 3rd party shop, it was a little hole in the wall that only had one table to play on. I've since moved twice and swapped armies a few times since then but for the last 9-10 years I've stuck with my Sisters of Battle and I don't if that matters/helps but I don't mind the changes all that much. I will say the bit with Celestine dueling Abby was great.

4:00 The codex redicuous supports this course of action.

There are actually a lot of references to the 2003 campaign in the Battlefleet Gothic 2 game, which is set in the Cadian sector right after the Gathering Storm. There’s mention of Abaddon’s rampage on Xersia or the plague of unbelief by Typhus and the dark angels secret campaigns around Caliban

I was there, when Eldrad - moments prior to the Slaanesh shenaningans - beat Failbaddon The Armless in CQC within an inch of his life, needing a Chaos-Deus ex machina to not get erased. Kirioth forgot to mention that, sus. You can still find the actual fluff blurp easily, if you didn't get that codex

First off you Young Turk, I'm only 34 and I played in the Eye of Terror Campaigns. Second, I played multiple games for the campaign with friends, and 3 in stores with GW representatives. I loved the huge games that GW sent reps out to act as Game Masters. In the stores we each got I believe 500pts and split into 3 sides. Forces of Order defending a giant gate with a Forge World Baneblade (it was still at least 8 years before the plastic kit came out) in front, and a warhound titan behind the gate. Between the Baneblade and the gate was a moat with a bridge, on which stood Inquisitor Torquemada Coteaz and his henchmen. On the other end of the 12 foot table was Abaddon riding atop a kitbashed Chaos Capital Imperialis Tank surrounded by the forces of disorder. The third faction was the Tyranids (which was my army at the time) which appeared on round two from the moat. I remember my brother's Blood Thirster singlehandedly taking out the Baneblade. Then Coteaz bodied both the Blood Thirster and my Hive Tyrant. At the end of the day Chaos won each sponsored game after the Capital Imperialis took down the Titan. The other great thing about these games was that the GW reps were also sent out with bits that you could buy to kitbash. Thats how I got the wings for my Hive Tyrant and Tyranid Warriors. Overall, I'm fine with the lore change. I feel like GW didn't know what to do with the results of the first campaign. And by retconning we were able to see the story progress.

This was such a fun episode to listen to. Kirioth really adds so much to the group, and I'm really excited to see him again next month.

Wasn't involved in the 2003 game but I do remember a massive campaign round 2006? Right when I was starting and I remember the hype about how some retuning local "heros" of the last major event where getting down in the weeds n playing again really boosted the local cominity

We got a couple of campaigns like this. Fantasy had the Albion campaign and several factions got some magic items and such out of it, they also had Storm of Chaos which was as much of a weird trainwreck as this was. The last one I remember before the recent Leviathan box campaign is the 40k Fall of Medusa V campaign.

I remember, I was there, leading my Night Lords when Inquisition consider the world of St. Josmane's Hope as Perdita and proclame the Exterminatus !

The 2003 lore events were the initial battle reports up to High Sector command, who hushed it up. Once final reports were compiled, and everyone important had pulled their fat out of the bureaucratic fire, the final version was approved for publication.

Slaanesh eats your soul and torments you for all eternity: Oofie Oopsie! Nurgle eats your soul: "fart" Uh Oh! Stinky!

We need a special episode about bloodbowl lore. I'm interested to see who would explain it

I remember logging so many games for Chaos during this event

1:02:35 I think it's aged reasonably well. It's a different vibe compared to newer Daemon Engines, but I like its underlying design. I'd personally only make very minimal alterations to make it less front heavy, because its center of gravity looks way off with those massive claws. Honestly, removing the chest cannon and adding an artillery platform on the back instead would probably be enough, and if done right would make it slightly more scorpionlike aswell.

We only partially use the metric system. We still use feet and inches for height, pints for liquid volume, and miles for distance.

I played a few games each of 40k and BFG for this event (Blood Angels, baybeeee), and it was a blast. -sent from the communal computer in the old folks home

My Headcannon is that Abadon has dementia and everybody in the universe would rather humor him and go along with his second 13th crusade than tell him he already did it 10 years prior

Haha when they're talking about dice being more important in 3rd i just picture a SM player hugging his knees and rocking back and forward muttering 'genestealers'

Was really hoping Kirioth's art was going to be him in HUGE terminator armor looming over Bricky

About the Eye of Terror Campaign: I was wrapping up high school, and didn't have any full armies or local GW stores to participate. But I remember following the battle reports on the games workshop forums, having copies of the codexes and buying white dwarf magazines to try and follow along. I don't know if Kirioth can confirm this, but I THOUGHT the overall premise was if Cadia fell, the way to Terra was open, aka, Chaos would be considered the strongest in the galaxy. There was a huge push to see it happen, and I remember a lot of comments online about how GW 'froze' the setting rather than try and deal with that as a possibility. There was this idea that the people who owned GW sort of froze the storyline because they didn't know what to do with it next. I don't know if you would call it a conspiracy theory, but my overall take was that many players felt a bit frustrated after the campaign was over because of the freeze and sort of 'oh chaos won... I guess Eldrad dies?' sort of vibe. For my part, I didn't really start paying attention to GW stuff again until the Gathering Storm happened. I started seeing buzz about the game and the tabletop BECAUSE of the Gathering Storm and the Breaking of Cadia... aka, unfreezing the timeline. I know among the local 40k gamers I've talked to since that campaign, they were all just happy to see the storyline moving again more than anything else.

was eleven when this campaign happened; one of the reasons I got into Black Legion

iirc wasn't there something like that tournament idea in the lead-in to the end times in warhammer fantasy? I remember hearing something back then about the tomb kings sweeping a massive tournament out of nowhere being part of why Nagash was such a big deal in that story

I remember having those campaign games at my local GW store and logging the results. I loved playing the Lost and the Damned army, personally I like the new fall of cadia. Only gutted we lost OG Creed but it made abby have a win for once and if felt like a better ending.

I played in that campaign. I enjoy the retcon but like honestly the battlefleet gothic integration in that entire scenario was such fun from a tactical standpoint. Its sad that its no longer a thing.

39:35 DID I FUCKING MISS SOMETHING? WHAT ABOUT A GANGBANG!? WHAT THE FUCK?

On tonight's episode of the Ridiculous Tour: Bricky is abducted by the martian pod-people and becomes their leader You'd better watch out! DK is going to Cicatrix _your_ Maladictum! (Don't think about that too hard) And Shy is in a convertible, punk rock blasting, driving at a hilariously unsafe speed, and having a great time. The clouds gather and darken. Lightning cracks the sky. On a beam of radience from the heavens, he descends - Kirioth has arrived, WITH A STEEL CHAIR!!!!! All this to come and more, straight to DVD.

LOL I took part with my imp guard, its so funny hearing it like this.

Love that Kirioth is part of the team. This also makes me hope there will be new merch with him on them. Like matts. Love to see Just a little Kirioth

im gonna miss having kirioths face just taped somewhere usually on brickys face

I was there, Bricky. Standing at the side of my Aun watching the best and bravest of our fire warriors melt everything the eye could throw against us. Hearing stories that the greenskins had taken nearly full control of the Scarrus Sector.

I wonder if they could do that kind of narrative again. Like have players just record the last phase or something. Something quick and verifiable, it’d cut down submissions making it easier to skim through but would also make botting much harder. Either that or if they ever made an official digital alternative for the TTG they’d have the perfect controlled environment for this kind of event 👀👀👀

The intro and outros get more cursed each time, also awesome to see Kirioth joining on a regular basis now, welcome my dude!

Slaanesh cultists also love the Iron Shiek. For his other ability to make his enemies humble.

"Its so funny you say cold winter months, it was like 80° yesterday" Me, someone whose only ever used Celsius: Jesus Christ what kind of hellish plane of fire are you living on?

No months of shame? Sad space space wolves noseses😢

"...whens the part they go down on each other...?" 😂

Kirioth joining the team is the best news od this year do far for me! Even if it is only semi pernament :D

Aye let's gooo! Was just thinking we need more kirioth. Glad to see he's carrying on the British tradition of colonizing foreign lands

I can't help but think they could have picked up the new 13th black crusade where the original left off-chaos is assaulting the surface and winning, imperium has cut off reinforcements, but uh oh chaos reinforcements arrive and break the blockade and then everything proceeds mostly the same?

My bro and I got into 40k circa 2004. I missed the event but picked up the eye of terror codex. I left 40k in 2007 until 10th edition, and was flabbergasted at what the current lore was of the 13th black crusade. It’s a little bittersweet, seeing as much retcon as there was. But also kinda neat seeing that the era of lore I knew is kinda still the era I came back to

Fun comic book trivia for you: in 1988, DC put the life of Robin up to a vote. In 1988, a bot was made that cast a large number of votes for killing the character tipping the scales in favor of his death.

14:25 I hate to UM ACTUALLY without finishing the episode, but "Lost and the Damned" isn't the _Legion of the Damned_ that Bricky implies (Ghost Riders), it's what Traitor Guard was called back in those days. They had their own rules in the Eye of Terror Codex iirc, but they were unsupported since then. Today, they have models (Kill Team: Blooded) and rules (Codex Chaos Space Marines), and some people convert whole Imperial Guard armies to *look* like a Lost and the Damned army (using loyalist Guard rules and chaos proxy models). Technically illegal, but whoever doesn't let you do that today isn't worth playing against.

That was a great episode, really interesting stuff ! Also congrats Kirioth !

I submitted about 10 games during this campaign, it was good times definitely played more because of it. I was wigged out when they retconned it when they could have just said the new storyline was the 14th crusade... but i guess they wanted the number 13. I remember being weirdly conflicted when Eldrad died. I love the grimdark so much, so death should be a part of the setting, but Eldrad was my boy.

I fondly remember the Defilers from Dawn of War, nostalgia right there, I came in during 3rd edition and I watched a few of those battles for the black crusade, I kinda forgot they were for a lore changing event but they were fun.

Kirioth is a good straight man for this group

1:15 ADRIC THE FLAMER!!! Oh the Eldar children love that one.

Bricky, to finish the Mass Effect quote, “‘ Issac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space!”’

Loved to learn about old game stuff like this, please do more!

I played one of those battle reports during the eye of terror in 3rd edition. I was graduating high school and now I am a dad to 3 kids and regular job and not in my 60s yet! =D I love the changes to the lore. Feels so much more fleshed out. I also remember that was just after when Tau came out and all the Anime fanboys busted out. If I remember correctly, Tau wasn't technically part of the forces of order. They were their own faction and there was an obscene amount of Tau victories at the beginning of the campaign and a lot of us were like WTF??? My Eldar Alaitoc Ranger Force had some great games but my nids were pretty lame. I ended up playing my Eldar army more. Too bad there isn't any Alaitoc ranger force anymore. But since the models haven't changed much, I might be able to salvage some of that army lol.

This is actually very similar to the Storms of Chaos event in Fantasy that happened around the same time as this event. It was the End Times before the End Times where the fate of fantasy was decided by player matches. The Storms of Chaos has kinda gotten a "Star Wars prequel" treatment after the End Times happened. It was originally hated due to being a giant clusterfuck, but compared what came later people have looked back at it with a lot more respect and some of the memes that came out of it was great. Out of the player matches the Orks curb stomped everything so the event ended with Archaeon (Abbadon of fantasy) was about to kill Valten (the Guiliman of fantasy) but then just when Chaos was about to win Grimgore (Ghazgul of fantasy) came in with a steel chair, kicked Archaeon in the nuts and then piledrived him into the ground. Then walked away while declaring himself "the best". An amazingly orky ending to the event ( which honestly we need more of in Warhammer) and more importantly it averted "The End Times", so many look at that event as the unofficial alternate timeline where fantasy was saved.

Having Kirioth on is awesome 👌, good deal you guys.

Disorder and Chaos getting organised, my ironing board is not big enough!

The Lost and the Damned as in the Heretic codex not the Legion of the Damned ie flaming Space Marine ghosts.

Y'all need to look into GWs Grand Narrative event. I was able to go to the 2023 one and it was wild and a hell of a lot of fun

12:45 😂 nice Shy 🤭

Love your podcasts But i think u still didn't catch the sound error in the end of the video, it there for some episodes already. But I don't dismiss the thought that might be intentional

It would be fun to get Matara on for an episode on the tyranids

Doing soom quick math here for the youth soldiers... 200 points for 50 means each soldier is only worth 4 points.... The missile launcher is 20 points. So saving a missile launcher is worth 5 dead kids. This is so perfectly on brand, and I love it.

British measurements are great. We have highly regimented chaos. Milk and beer? Pints. Petrol and fizzy drinks? Litres. Height of buildings? Metres. Height of people? Feet and inches. Distances between places? Miles. Distances between close things? Centimetres *or* inches. Baking recipes? Grams. Weight of meat? Pounds and ounces. We saw all measurement types and said 'yes.' Basically we switched to metric a while back, but grandfathered the old measurements through so both are used. Back when I worked on the deli our scales only worked in grams, and anyone over 50 would order weights in pounds, so on one we had a quick conversion table sellotaped to each scale for us younglings.

5'11, dead silence.

"If any of you were part of the 2003 Fall of Cadia" in 2003 I was more concerned with with The Tweenies than Tau.

I think global campaigns are still possible, and I would love to see them, but they need some key structural changes 1) for the sake of preventing bots and general false reporting, they need to be reported by store reps in warhammer shops (and perhaps recognised 3rd party venues, as the main stores are quite sparse). That way they could ensure some measure of legitimacy in the data 2) they should tone down the scale and galactic impact. Instead of something like Cadia, it could be a smaller campaign for some fringe cluster (be it established or purpose-built for the event). That way they can write in accordance with their data to make the event actually matter, but it won't be significant enough for it to drastically change the status quo

I simply dont understand why people hate on the defiler so much, I love it. Its a funky little spider mech.

Elder episode….naw I’m good 😂

Those old wulfen look like sasquatch.

Makes sence he is a Warsmith , only those dudes know knowledge as ancient as OG 40k.

Okay just thinking hypothetically but with how many child soldiers the empirium have they’ve probably killed at least one chaos space marine with using home alone level shenanigans

I hope Cavill covers Cadia

Months of shame? Naaa how about covering a retcon of fall of cadia? Yeah? No one? Too bad!

Bro saying it's cold meanwhile down under it's 40 degrees (Celsius). I can't even paint because it's so hot and my paint dries faster than I can paint.

Hey look, it's the version of the 40k universe that I use for my RPGs! It's hilarious how many players I've had that, upon me telling them Cadia never fell, go "YES!"

Can confirm to brickys point about height measurements in the UK the general populace uses ft and inches. Then you fill out any military adjacent form and they want your height in cm and weight in kilos, and everything goes wrong 😂😂

52:00 he's talking about me 🐌

I just really wish they built off of it rather than retcon it. by doing this they would have honored that massive event, mainly by keeping some of the minor details like the fate of the other planets. So if a planet was exterminated in that campaign say that it was in the new version as well.

GW took a page from L5R back then.

5' 11.5" Brother!