You're using the Wrong Ammo 

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can you play the 2s38 and do uncut footage to see how good it really is, and dont cherry pick games

@@n0dr1pryandon’t listen to this guy turny once you become 2s38 player you can’t go back

Ive pointed this out to you months ago in the streams hahahaha

@@bobowl6656 i already am one and the 2s38 is kinda shit

If you decide to showoff any 105mm Cents, may I suggest the Sho't Kal Alef? It is sneakily better than its 8.0 105mm UK and Swedish counterparts because it gets M728 3rd gen APDS and they only get 2nd gen APDS.

I think it is more of a confirmation bias thing, I haven't had many issues with apds personally.

Swedish apds works great for me too, never had much issue with it

​@@galacticdragon9841I literally had 120mm APDS shatter on the side of an USH.

No Sweden apds is the most modern :/ .. already have it at 1.0 lol

They get the later generation like the M60 and chieftain does

holy fuck was there a need to type that much

@@random_edits_2034 Yes, because again some RU-vidr is talking nonsense.

by your own logic you're also _some_ youtuber spreading nonsense

@@incorrectbeans The difference is that I don't write nonsense. I write what I know and see from my experience from years of playing. Judging by the likes, I'm probably not the only person who thinks that Turny are wrong. This is not the first time, in the case of the T32 I also laughed, because hardly anyone shoots at this mg port, personally I was more likely to be killed by a shot at the bottom plate or simply from the side. If the tank has a weakspot, you should avoid showing it, especially since the T32 is great for sidescraping.

I agree with the part about using AP on the Mk.3 but I think it's best to always bring a few APDS and HE rounds I never played anything with 76mm APDS But from my experience the APDS on the Mk.3 is much much better than the one of the Mk.2 bc you can UFP a Tiger II and pen T54/55 in the turret I think with the Mk.2 you bring more APDS in a uptier and bring AP in a downtier And like with every tank you also bring a few APDS/AP/HE rounds with your main ammo

Only tungsten core APDS has the shattering issue. Alloy core is fine.

@@robertharris6092 I didn't know this, thank you.

You only need to do that for tungsten core shells. Once you get to alloy shells (the l7 and newer) you can rely on APDS.

You only need to avoid tungsten core APDS. Once you have alloy core shells youre fine.

Well, make sure you pick it up again once you get to modern APDS :)

Yeah that's like the best ever. Is even better than m735 nowadays.

Well, like someone said above in the comments, it's mostly an confirmation bias towards a certain piece of ammo... while it's true that on some tanks APDS severly underperforms (Conqueror *cough*), but that's just an individual and more complex case. Anyway I had almost never ever had a single problems with APDS shells... only when the APDS update dropped while ago, it was quite a mess, but nowadays it's mostly fixed and the rounds are working well again... It's just, the popular opinion is spoiled by unrealistic behavior of APHE shells that's basically it... I mean it was always like that towards all non APHE ammo types in the game...

M60 uses later APDS, which is fantastic :)

​@jaroslavsoukal3224 conqueror and m60 APDS are two different shell types. one is tungsten carbide while the other is tungsten alloy. Its not confirmation bias its a very real thing.

@@askplays I know, and I agree. I know the difference between early and later types of APDS and I like the mechanic... now the APDS rounds are more predictable, you know what to expect and ultimately more balanced... However what I meant by "underperforming" was the shell shattering mechanic where the early types of APDS rounds lost most of their penetration while hitting first layer of spaced armor. It is a realistic and good mechanic, but sometimes all it took was to hit the thinniest layer of spaced armor... what it caused was, you were sometimes unable to pen with the Conqueror's L1G the sideskirts of Leo A1A1 for an extreme example, or eve Panther's ones... Strangely with 20pdr's it wasn't that prevalent... I haven't been playing Warthunder in like 5 months because of time issues so I don't know if they havent fixed this mechanic already but last time I played the Conq it was unbareable and it was indeed an issue... That's what I meant by more complex issue, otherwise my point stands, the APDS from my experience are a good rounds you need to learn how to use effectively like the 76mm Shot SV Mk1... it is not unusable like Turny here depicts...

I'd take the paper armor of the Charioteer and the 20pdr at 6.3 over this. Using 17pdr Solid shot, something available from the Archer in low tier at 6.7 is not my idea of a good time. Hell you get the APDS round in the 5.3 Challenger and 6.0 Cent. Mk1. Using a 17 pounder against 7.7 tanks sounds like a nightmare to me. The Cent. Mk3 is not bad at all. The whole 7.7 Britain Lineup is actually great and well worth your time. (That may be a case of Stockholm syndrome but I like it.)

I would disagree. Its atrociously armored and even as a Sniper basically useless because both the shells and the gun are not good at all. APDS is probably the worst shell I have encountered after APCR on the m48 and i would gladly remove it from the Game since its that effectless

Did recently brother :)

@@FM-hw8yv Even tough You may be right, it's a still good tank. It's APDS arent first gen so they won't shred everytime and it's armour sucks but it's mobility its is Best seller

@@juanpablogimenezdemaria1782 issue is that that wont matter. A fox or btr will still outrun and outgun you The thing is basically only useful at a sniping spot where you can pray to pen and not Get shot at with Earlier i shot a m47 and only got the rangefinder in it before it just turned and killed me. I dont enjoy this sabot so far at all

@@FM-hw8yv i don't want to be rude but thats Indeed an skill issue, a Lot of things Will affect it's gameplay obviously. And in the case it's not, what tank You like more then

well... it comes with a full stabiliser at 6.7 you cant also give it to much pen

The churchill mk 7 is great though.

@@danielzaba9913 i know but no youtube ever play the poor old churchill. Iv been asking spooks for like 3 years

I think they re all air bud :)

@TurnyPlays ur right but can you play German JaPz.k A2, it's a slept on vechicles but a great sniper with thermals lazer rangefinder and 4 secound auto loader at 8.7. It doesn't have a stabilizer though

US APDS is very different, as it was developed a lot later on and doesn't use "Tungsten Core" :)

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true, but with apds you can get trolled by gaijin really hard, when you get a shell shattered. always fun when that happens and you die because of it.

@@ThorindirNaari only common on certain types of apds not all

@@warmmayo3150 yeah, but if you play the british for most of the tech tree you will have that apds. only the later versions with the better angle pen are safe so use.