@@cinekizzle Actually no I was wrong in the trailer the scene when she said , " You're a murderer , Joe " made me always think she was in the glass box because of the weird background but yeah no she wasn't my bad .....
omg is it the BrainPilot video that just came out? I came to youtube to reply to this comment and that video is first on my homepage! I'll have to watch it after work to see how they lay out the theory. I'm not sure any other characters see Joe and Rhys interact besides the one dinner (and even then, Adam only says "What was that?" after Joe replies to Rhys but he had no problem with Rhys talking?) Joe could totally be imagining the interactions with him based on reading his book, relating to his upbringing and actually Joe is the one who thinks they're the same. It's possible!
I'm still not over the fact that none of the character ever interact with Rhys, and that Joe is unconscious every time there's a character death. Perhaps Joe's interactions with Rhys were not real at all, and Joe is the real killer without him even knowing. Great video and great analysis!
I wish I had thought about the idea of Rhys being in Joe's head more before I made this video, because I've been thinking about it all day and it would have been great to talk it out. I can't wait for part 2 to see if it's right!
@@cristofer6806 I think that Rhys is a real person, but Joe's interactions with him are not. Joe's homicidal side takes on the persona of Rhys because of their very similar upbringings.
im not convinced rhys is the killer. i think joe read his book and became utterly obsessed with him because of their similarities. since marienne showed joe how scared she was of him (bc hello he's a murderer) he is trying to convince both marienne and himself that he isn't a killer, pinning the murders on rhys.
It's also crazy how Rhys has the more ideal version of Joe's life where we don't know if he has had any relationships but he's wealthy, a renouned writer and has a relationship with his biological father.
I think that Rhys is real, Joe read the book and manifested Rhys around him, but not the real Rhys, (a Rhys in his head) i think Joe is committing the murders and genuinely thinks its Rhys. The real Rhys is running for Mayor but Joe has never really met him, and will start going after him in part two, and the Real Rhys is gonna be like sorry who are you?, and why are you trying to kill me ?
I can totally see that. Joe's really good at creating a whole fantasy of a relationship in his head, and the other person is just clueless to the image of them he's created.
I think the killer is Kate... Kind of coincidental how every murder victim has a bit of a slightly different relationship with Kate than the rest of the friend circle... First victim was Kate's boyfriend & it just so happens the body ends up at her neighbor's apartment (Joe)... Next victim is the asian artist right after Joe & Kate find out he's a fraud... Then the next day Kate is trying to get his former assistant clean & a career started for her... Not only did Joe not like Gemma (idk if I spelled her name right) neither did Kate... And once again her room is right next to Joe's and guess who happens to walk in to help her... And she was the first person to leave the house before it went up in flames... Maybe Joe sees Rhys as the killer to cope cause he doesn't want it to be Kate. This situation is pretty similar to Love. Also Kate makes that comment about Gemma's body being a lot lighter than she expected & joe responds it's easier with two ppl... That's a weird comment to make when you're about to dispose of a body as if it wasn't your first time.
I think Rhys doesn't exist and is just a figment of Joe's imagination, the part of him that wants Joe to accept his true self, a killer. Joe is the killer. He also killed Marianne. I don't remember Rhys having interactions with anyone other than Joe. The story is told from Joe's perspective, and if he's having a split with Rhys, it's completely reasonable to think Joe doesn't remember doing these killings because Rhys was in control of him at these points in time.
Did anyone notice that in the last episode when Roald want to kill Joe the princess say "Jonathan, when you STABBED Malcom did he, deflate like a hot-air ballon? " (23:09 episode 5) HOW COULD SHE HAVE KNOWN THAT HE HAD STABBED HIM ???
I don't think Rhys is real, he never speaks to anyone else. He texts exactly like Joe but they disappear etc . He might be a real person outside the circle but I think his image was used as his sit personality
ooh, I haven't watched Dexter before but I've heard it mentioned a few times lately so maybe I should check it out! If there was anyone who could take Joe's place, I think it'd totally be Rhys and I love the idea of him having Joe's voice in his head lol
Its extremely disappointing to see how many people hated this season. I truly enjoyed it! I really do enjoy the ideas I have been seeing everywhere, but my personal favorite is the one where Rhys (or at least Joe's interpretation of him) was made up by joe. If it is canon, I'm worried it could play out very badly, and it might make a lot of fans angry, which is disappointing because it sounds like a well planned and thought out twist. I do hope it happens, if only to satisfy some people.
My theory is that Rhys is just a figment of Joe’s imagination, think about it, we only ever see Rhys speak to Joe and not anyone else. They both are also always dressed similarly in dark colors
But Rhys was legit on TV giving an interview and also Nadia gave Joe his book to read..so he obviously has to be real to be able to write a book right?
@@franostroski2361 Rhys is real, he does exist but he has nothing to do with the murders and doesn't really know Joe. Joe imagines the conversations with Rhys, as in some kind of hallucination.
After watching the trailer where Rhys closes the door on Joe I can just imagine this scene play in my mind "Joe visits Rhys 's house and knocks on the door" "Rhys open the door and ask "who are you ?"" "Joe is shocked to hear and starts cussing and saying how Rhys is the murderer " "Rhys just closes the door and Joe interrupts it and maybe he might kill RHYs during the fight " And then JOE finally understands that he himself is the killer 💀
Congratulations on 100 subscribers 🙌🎉🎊, also yeah I like the theory that Joe gets killed in Part 2 and then Rhys becomes the new Joe I mean that would piss people off but fuck it let's do it let's really change things up 😂
Hey if you watch the series with the thought that Rhy is made up or the version killing people is, it adds up. Joe even asks the student about making a story and she pretty much outlines everything like “the first suspect is the second victim” and “you need to be invested”. When he does get invested, it gives him permission to stalk that chick. Even the opening, he is seeking a way towards redemption which I think he has gone further off the deep end and has crafted this wild story to be the hero. Honestly this has been his style the whole series. He justified his actions but we see he’s just crazy. Example, killing Peach to protect the first girl. Another INSANE example is all season 3 he’s faking the love for his wife because of his son but he very simply abandons his son just like his mother did to pursue this chick to another part of the planet. Really nuts, and he only mentions him once. He’s just further off the deepend. Marion being alive might even be a lie, she could really be dead but he doesn’t realize it just like he doesn’t realize he is doing all these killings. It would be a huge twist, but I think it would be a great payoff and set it up for a last season or for this to be the last. I don’t know why they would split it into two season if this wasn’t the last
Him creating this story so he could be the hero was something I hadn't thought about! In the context of the theory, I've been thinking of Rhys as like a manifestation of his *desire* to kill but you're right, he could have just created this villain in order to be the hero! And you make a good point about them split it in two because it's the last season, I hadn't considered that which is a real bummer :/ but hopefully they end it well!
I've been watching some of your videos and realized you only don't even have 200 subscribers???? you deserve so much more!! love your videos I hope your audience expands soon! you deserve it, your videos are so well done!
Oh my god I just noticed. In the first scene that Rhys and Joe meet, Rhys is sitting in a red chair while Joe is sitting in a blue chair. If Rhys is a figment of Joe's imagination, then him sitting in the red chair would mean that Rhys is Joe's ugly inner truth (red pill) while Joe as Jonathan is this idealised version of himself in denial (blue pill).
You know, I noticed they were sitting in different color chairs and wondered if that could be significant but I didn't know enough about the red pill/blue pill thing to make that connection! That's a pretty good catch!
this is gonna be unnecessarily long but i’ve seen so many people theorize Rhys is Joe’s brother and at first glance it seems obvious to me that yes that will be the twist. however- the anon messages Joe was getting (presumably from Rhys) indicated that they didn’t know who Joe was for at least the first bit. so for the brother theory to be true, either that would be just the world’s largest coincidence ever in a million years, or Rhys was lying when he was like “hmmm who are you i’m curious” and idk, they could do that but I feel like it would sit weird with me. because it would make more sense to me to just start off the jump sending texts like “I know who you are *blackmail*” and not waste time pretending to figure Joe out. like, for me to thoroughly enjoy that twist i’d need a GOOD reason for why Rhys would do that. something other than just to mess with Joe’s head, bc arguably it would be more of a mindfuck to think the stalker knew everything to begin with. personally I think Rhys has an accomplice (hence why I said i’m only presuming Rhys was the one who didn’t know Joe’s identity at first). it’s possible he’s been texting with someone different that just informs Rhys, or that he’s been texting with more than one person since there’s no single linked phone number in the app. I also enjoy the theory that Joe is reaching a mental breaking point and is really the killer. I immediately clocked how weird it was that he was either asleep or unconscious during every murder so far that he didn’t directly commit. (like when he fell out of the window before Gemma dying, I think he maybe passed out? and he was asleep on the bench for the art gallery murder). honestly there are just so many possibilities but I am super hyped to see where it goes. again, sorry this was so long LOL .
also I just wanted to add (can you tell none of my friends watch this show by how desperate i am to talk about it at length in a youtube comment? lmao) I am 100% convinced that the brown haired love interest (forget her name) is in on the murders and in cahoots with Rhys. 1) she stands to gain something from every murder so far. with malcom, he was shitty to her. with her boss, he was also mean and threatened her job safety. and with Gemma, they showed the love interest girl constantly looking upset or disgusted by Gemma’s actions. 2- she acted SO STRANGE when she found Gemma dead. like, I can suspend my disbelief and take the fact that she truly doesn’t think Joe is the killer into account (barely, but I’ll try) however she didn’t have even ONE sentence to say about the fact that the killer (who is targeting HER friend group and by proxy, HER) was 100% definitely nearby? she did not seem in fear for her life or anyone else’s at all, almost as if she wasn’t scared because she knew it would happen and who it would happen to. also, it is just strange that she picked up the murder weapon. if she hadn’t done that, she wouldn’t be any more of a suspect in Gemma‘s murder than anyone else in the house. but if she didn’t fear being implicated in the murder, she wouldn’t have needed Joe’s help to hide the body. so it seems like the whole situation was a set up, possibly to force Joe’s hand into tangibly showing what he’s capable of. idk it seems too much like a huge red flag that the rich friend group are constantly characterized as being basically emotionless about their friends dying, while also basically directly saying they should have the ability to do whatever they want because they’re rich. it could be just to set up red herrings but idk. i’m getting “rich people that kill for sport because they’re so rich they’re bored” vibes. like that story I think it’s called “the dangerous game” I don’t know, we will see though. again, sorry for the long comments lol I have nowhere else to discuss this stuff haha .
@@brittanylikesmemes_ oh yeah, I don't think Rhys is actually the brother, I just said that because I thought it was funny. I think he totally assumed 'Jonathan' was just some guy and was genuinely interested when Joe got rid of the body. I can totally see Kate being in on it with Rhys somehow. Sometimes it seemed like she was trying to get Joe's attention, she did act weird half the time and just happened to know Joe and Roald were trapped in the secret prison at the castle so she could save them? Hmmm,.
Rhys is definitely to old to be Joe's brother! I think Rhys is too hard headed in his view point it'd be hard for the viewer to switch to his narrative. Although Joe is a serial killer we've spent all this time with him and he's delusional to himself (as well as the audience) so he's the pinnacle of unreliable narrator, who is actually terrible but you kinda end up rooting for. Anytime Joe goes snooping I'm annoyed at him for doing so but also extremely worried he'll get caught lmao.
As much as I kinda like the idea that Rhys is just Joe disassociating and doing the murders it feels too much like Fight Club. Personally, I really like Rhys and I hope he really is the Eat the Rich killer (I can't be the only one that enjoyed watching the deplorable rich kids getting bumped off?) Tbh I hope Rhys gets away with it and goes on to be London's mayor because if Joe can keep getting away with murder then why shouldn't Rhys? I dare say the "friends" Rhys has been killing treated him like garbage growing up anyway (especially since he's from a poor background) and he's probably got a better reason and motive for killing people that "wronged him" than Joe ever has.
Yeah I really hope Rhys is the Eat The Rich Killer! I think the theory that Joe is disassociating is interesting but I would prefer if that wasn't the case. Just a few more days and we'll see what happens!!
@@cinekizzle I have an outlandish theory that there's more than just Rhys involved in the killings, like a small group of "vigilantes" (possibly including Kate and Nadia) that all have a grudge against the rich families of those "Rhys" is killing. Given that Kate's father has been involved in some shady stuff it wouldn't surprise me if her "friends" and/or their parents were directly involved in some of the most heinous shady acts (like the one Kate mentioned about her father covering up toxins in a water supply that gave hundreds of kids cancer), there are bound to be a few people out for blood and I could see both Rhys and Kate being the instigators plotting and organizing that revenge, Joe was going to be their fall guy until they realized how useful he truly is.
I've heard in reviews on youtube and posts on reddit that other people found it obvious as well. I just didn't catch on! BUT **in my defense** I was too distracted by Rhys & Joe's interactions that I wasn't actually trying to guess who the killer was lol
I thought I noticed that when they were both wearing grey at the dinner. I'm watching the show again (oops) so I'll have to keep an eye out for all their scenes to see their outfits!
8:52 BRO EXACTLY 🔥🔥🔥 Yeah I was also thinking about that , " Brother's in arms " Comment ..... I was having trouble thinking of possible ways that can go down but you have set up the plot line well that it gave me some hope ........ What also stood out to me is how the show emphasized how Rys and Joe are very similar that it made Joe strangely uncomfortable and they were both raised by a single mother bro come on 😶 This isnt the first time I heard this theory so it is clear it makes sense for other people .....
It could be. I don't remember seeing them refer to this as the show's "fourth and final season" the way they are doing with Umbrella Academy, so I don't know if it's been decided yet.
The show hasn't been based on the books for a long time, the current season has nothing to do with the books either, the plot was entirely invented by the producers of the show. So a 5th season is quite possible.
I just hope Love is still alive i liked all of the first 3 seasons even tho their are some people i thought should’ve stayed alive i don’t think they should let the mother of his child actually die no matter what they have been through .
I do love Love, but I believe she'd dead :/ I don't think Joe would have risked any chance of her surviving. but I think her memory will haunt Joe so at least we'll get to *see* her again even if she's not alive
Ok so i'll start by saying in season 1 we saw Beck's dead body and that proved that she died well guess what we never saw Candace's and she was alive the delusions of Candace that he had was either when he was dreaming like when he got into that car accident in season 1 when he was on his way to the Salinger's house he had a concussion and was dreaming of talking to her in season 2 he was fully awake when he was talking to the ghost of Beck. Right for this next bit i think we can all agree that Joe will tell himself anything to get by right. So in season 4 when talking to the apparently ghost of Love Quinn well i think we all got from that conversation that she was saying that she was dead well A she had a secret bank account that she will have used to escape the country with baby Henry B the hit man that the Quinn family sent specifically Love's farther could know that Love is still alive and i also maybe think that Joe could have definitely imagined those conversation's that he had with the hit man just to go after Marienne and i think that Love was one step ahead of Joe and that she can have know where he put Henry hmm. Anyway that's all please hsare this comment. Thank you
Yeah you know in one of your videos you were talking about how in every season something big happens well the season's like follow on like at the end of season 1 Candace came back season 2 Love was also a serial killer season 3 Joe goes to Paris to find Marienne so yeah i think the big thing for season 5 is Love Quinn will come back. What do you think?
@@quinnpile2995 well, I'm sorry to have to say that I do think Love is dead. I loved the 2 seasons we had with her, and I was so excited to see her as a hallucination in season 4, but I do believe she died when Joe used the wolfsbane and left her body to burn in the house fire. As it is right now, I just don't see how she could have survived :/
@@cinekizzle Ok but i do think she survived and coming for Joe anyway if she is dead then i can't wait for the ghost of Love will keep on coming back and having these types of conversations with Joe.
Maybe it’ll change more when we learn more about Rhys, but he scares me the most. He seems the most disturbing. Love scared me a lot too, but something about him scares me more than Love and Joe. Joe scares me too, but I feel like he still has some lines he won’t cross like maybe he wouldn’t hurt kids? I feel like Rhys wouldn’t care. They all freak me out tho
@@cinekizzle idk maybe but something about it freaks me out. Maybe cuz it seems like a game to him or he enjoys it? Kind of reminds me of Ramsey in GOT. Scary. Don’t get me wrong, Joe is crazy too, but unless you get in his way or are his love interest, you’re prob safe. They definitely toned down his crazy lately since they added other murderers on the show. Kind of thought they would make him get worse and worse
I hope Rhys is a real person. He may not be, but I feel like it also makes sense if he is. I’m more curious about the paparazzi lady who kept trying to take Joe’s photo though. I also don’t trust Kate. She may be up to no good herself.
I've seen a lot about the Rhys being in Joe's head theory, and while it's a fun theory, I will be so disappointed if the Rhys we've been seeing hasn't been the real one. I want another crazy killer on the loose!
