until garak comes in the picture. they did try to touch on different sexual orientations in this series, but dint get into anything serious. The closes was jadzia making out with another woman.
@@thehantavirus Didn't they try to do an episode in TNG where they encountered a genderless species where identifying with a gender was considered a mental disease? I heard that it was _intended_ to raise awareness for homosexuality, but it didn't really come across as such. On the other hand, that episode _did_ incidentally work as a trans rights episode.
The bromance between Miles O'Brien and Julian Bashir is the best friendship in the whole series. Kirk, Spock, and Bones is the most iconic, and Tom Paris and Harry Kim was a good addition to Voyager, but these two developed so naturally.
Bashir is clearly Bi. OBRIEN is straight but prefers the company of men. Which confuses him a bit. Finding women that are as mentally accuse and aware is hard. Though the stupidest I find are usually men as well. Basically lines up well with the data. Men have more on the extremes of negative and positive intelligence. Women cluster closer to average.
"People either love you, or they hate you! When I first met you, I hated you! And now, I- .....Don't hate you." "Look, all I'm saying is, when we first met, I didn't love you! And now, I do- ......Not hate you." Lmao I love their friendship
Dude, the writers intended Bashir to be gay. This is obvious queer coding. There is no such thing as being a real man, having a deep relationship outside of dating and marriage, and a show/relationship with no drama. The truth is that everyone goes through things, but most of the time you just don't see it. That's what made this writing so genius. Instead of Bashir outright saying that he loves O'Brien, he chooses to beat around the bush and make awkward moments that can be translated as a friendship, but also something more. Think what you will, but Bashir was always meant to be a queer-coded character, and O'Brien was a good conflict for the character to be interested in because he had a wife in the show. That results in some dialogue that sounds kind of funny when you hear it and is immediately brushed off, but upon closer inspection over several scenes it becomes obvious that Bashir has a romantic interest. The line towards the end about Bashir liking some woman is meant to throw people off, but then he quickly says that he likes O'Brien more. That's about as obvious of an example as you can get.
@@ginnyjollykidd Agree to disagree. That chemistry was electric! I mean the holodeck spy program episode? Oof. Nearly too hot to handle those two. Not to mention Andrew Robinson played Garak as being attracted to Bashir from the get go
@@cgore4 Look... guys I totally respect if people have their own interpretations I really do. If you don't see them as queer, that's perfectly fine. But I made a little teasing allusion to a ship that is very well known, and that is supported by the actors and writers of the show and of the characters portrayed. I'm sure none of these comments are made maliciously, but y'all got to recognize that queer people are almost always told their interpretations of characters as queer is false or is not supported in the text or subtext at all.Let queer people see themselves within the media they consume please. As a queer person, we have to become very good at reading into subtext bc often the subtext is the only way we are going to find any representation. The subtext is there, and can easily be interpreted as queer. If you don't interpret it that way, all the power to you. But I'm still gonna enjoy my ship and enjoy the queerness that I read into the story and performance.
Our society needs more space for beautiful platonic relationships like this, both same-sex and opposite-sex. People get so hung up on sex that they forget that you can love a person without wanting to screw 'em.
@@crimsonphoenix1175- not too funny. We are in the "everyone look at me" Era of humanity. Many people nowadays are so full of themselves that they would not be able to differentiate between a friendship and one with benefits. It's all sex nowadays
Every time I watch them say goodbye it’s always devastating. Of all the friendships that have been depicted on Star Trek, this feels like the most natural and nuanced, at least so far. And I think we can all relate what it felt like to see them part ways.
Fun in thoose two is that it is a perfect depiction of practical Intelligence and theoretical intelligence - both lacking some part of emotional intelligence both learn about by interacting with each other.
That is what happens when you let gays marry gays. The genes that raise the tendency are bred out, and in 16 generations you cannot find any, just like in the 1940s. They are there, just dispersed so widely that two mutually compatible ones never find each other.
Here's the difference You can passionately love someone But like your friends more, as in friendship How many times has your wife said "I love you, but right now I don't like you" ? That's the difference, romantic love vs friendship love
Same goes for family. I love all my family. But I don't necessarily like them all a whole lot. Couldn't spend too much of an extended period with them. But I love them dearly. But I like some of my close friends more.
I love the friendship between O'Brien and Bashir ... and I absolutely *loathe* the relationship between Julian and Ezri. Just had to get that out there, seeing as Julian confessed his love for Ezri in the last scene!
@@Claudanne2 because the actress that played her Terry Farrell didn't want to renew her contract for the seventh season so they decided to kill off her character. Like they did Tasha Yar when Denise Crosby asked to be released from her contract just before the first season of TNG ended.
@@themightyklingonwarriormee5043 farrell wanted to renew but with better conditions, and Bergman the dick openly tried bullying her into submission to take worse conditions. harassing her before scenes, getting random producers to call her and pressure her.
Never could tell if Julian saw Ezri as just a more naive version of Jadzia. He was always a player. He never maintained a steady relationship throughout the run of the show. Him saying he loved Ezri deeply was just another example of his flitterby romance style - fall madly in love only to move on later, but be actually in love for that while
You can love a wife or husband - but have someone else as a soulmate. Same with a wife / husband - but have more in common with a friend and get along better with friend. Or even have someone who is your muse, who is different from a romantic or close relationship. Make sure jealously does not enter these equations.
I think the important takeaway here is that O'Brien needs someone like Keiko to yell at him and give him conflict because as an irish person it's better if there is a reason for drinking and self loathing. If he was with a partner who simply let him have his workshop, Miles would have pushed things farther until conflict broke out. It's sort of a brinkmanship of boundaries, a constant struggle between them. I think Miles loves Keiko because she's the perfect source of cathartic Irish rage for O'Brien to decompress with. He's of course totally unaware of this fact, and would deny it if ever confronted by it.
@@andrewmcclean823 It was honestly all in jest as dark, humorous take as an outlandish and over-analyzed take on the character. I know sarcasm doesn't travel well over the internet and especially with many people whose first language isn't English being around as well.
@@andrewmcclean823 it is a tad racist yeah. anyway miles needs the structure keiko provides because otherwise he would be a complete wreck. he needs a boundary to cross. the stricter the boundary, the more reasonable its crossing. the more reasonable a boundary, the uglier its crossing.
@@john.premose Yes, in Starfleet. Usually. Generally. _Guinan literally keeps a stock of the real stuff under her bar and admitted to it._ In Quark's? Different story. Alcohol flows freely.
"When a fellow needs a little helping hand Who'll be there? It's almost guaranteed No one else could ever really understand Only another man knows what you need." "And when a man has fallen down upon his knees In such a moment, who'd be better than Someone who's self controlled Someone who's strong and bold Someone who's good as gold It's better with a man!"
An old mate of mine was proud that my mum liked him and bragged to his girlfriend. She laughed in his face and said you are Jules, just taller, of course she liked you.
Nothing gay here! No way! Just two best buds hanging out, trying to suppress the urge to take each other right there in the hallway! No need to worry Keiko!
Intimacy in Male friendships exists. Go to Europe and you’ll see this to be the case, men have no stigma about expressing affection. Meanwhile in America we’re a bunch of prudes that put men into a box, no wonder they’re so depressed here
What's annoying is the Chief Engineer on a naval vessel is an officer and typically a Captain rank on Carriers. So why is the Chief Engineer a chief petty officer and a subordinate to a Lieutenant in medical?
Starfleet is a military venture; a doctor graded as a major is still a major. As for him still being non-com even after serving on the Enterprise; he has the ability to command, but doesn't want it. But you better believe even a flag would respect his opinion, especially after getting Cardassian and Fed tech talking the way he did
Oh my god, even if O'Brien is married and straight, Julian... Isn't... I don't know how anyone can take that last confession as anything but an open admittance of at least *something*
I did not know Doctor Bashir was also a counselor too, besides doing medical doctor stuff. All men need to spend time with their bros to stay well adjusted guys.
There's a difference between 'like' and 'love' - chief Someone you like is a person you want to spend the whole day with - someone you love is a person you'd want to spend your whole life with The differences between your interests and Keiko's means you two can get on each others nerves but - at the end of the day - you're incomplete without each other because your differences compensate for what each other doesn't have. The commonalities between you and Julian - and Julian's boundless enthusiasm for learning... ... ... EVERYTHING :P xD means that you two can do nearly *anything* together or, most importantly, can do *nothing* together - and someone you can do *nothing* with is absolutely special. It's probably these same commonalities that get on both of your nerves - and why you two wouldn't want to go a day without doing something together... but, also, why you desperately need to have Keiko to go home to.
Miles (at a table at Quark's with Worf, Of and Sisko): Come on Julian! Just play the damn game. It's fun. Julian: .... U-um, well... Tomato Miles, Aubergine Your, Potato Wife's.... (gulp) Turnip Dead.
Kinda sad to know that the actors didn’t get along that well. One very proud Brit and one very proud Irishman. They worked well together, but in real life weren’t anything like the characters they played.
Why cannot genetic re sequencing be a force for good? Both men and women being released from learning disabilities, physical disabilities, an innate resistance to disease, long life?
Agreed, she is borderline narcissistic at times breaking out in furious anger or displaying outright manipulative behaviour when O'Brien dares to have his own opinions or aspirations. She also treats Molly poorly on several occasions when Molly is doing absolutely nothing wrong just because she is mad at O'Brien or someone else. I think she is a horrible person but the sad part is she wasn't written to be one, somehow the writers decided to write this personality for her thinking she would come off as reasonable which is scary to me.
