As a player at day one, It hurt when they nerfed and completely removed cards when they released a new cards to force me to get new cards, they pulled the rug out from under players. It felt bad and I stopped playing immediately, everyone's build got deleted overnight.
@@ibrosyndicate it's been too long, but I remember going where the hell is this card and not finding it, I would love to prove it to you but going and watching release footage and checking it now is too much work
Well I think they realized it was a mistake to have mobility so strong because people were just running through the entire level. Which is kinda against the spirt of the game which is fighting hordes with your friends
@@areld1821 I agree, GTFO def does strike the strategic gameplay, but replayability is what scares me away from GTFO, the gameplay loop gets tiresome with all the "hacking" minigames to find where to go.
@@bikinibodhi2669 Makes sense to me. Still love both of those, yet I don't see need in details, you have your eyes and stuff. Looking forward to the next videos).
Just to clarify a number of the things people had a problem with B4B for; all of the damn grinding, stuff being locked behind a paywall or playing matches over and over again (often with randos because getting a full team of friends to play was annoying), game being always online with servers being laggy as hell. Pretty much all of this was fixed at the start of this year/end of last year, when they removed the live service elements and the game being always online. Game is actually pretty good now, if you can establish a decent party of friends to play with (game gets pretty boring solo).
1 of my biggest issues with the game was how they did the campaign. I would have rather had them do L4D style campaigns vs the single run through that they had but also giving you a number of lives to get through the campaign. I find the lives system in a game like this to be a terrible decision, especially when the game has it's own director that will fuck you constantly depending on how you're doing. The corruption cards were a good idea, but learning when and where the spawns are for bosses really just ruined the surprise of them. Once more going back to L4D and the director spawning a tank randomly vs B4B where hags and ogres all have set spawn points. Some of the corruption cards were also just annoying and made me, once more, really despise the life system. Their were more issues with the game than just grinding or being locked behind paywalls or always being online. Actual issues with how the game worked and the systems they put in place just ruined the gameplay. Was it good? sure. As Bikini said it was good on it's own not being compared to L4D. But the systems are what really made it not that fun and made it feel more like a chore than a game.
yeah casual players vs competitive players. I watched a review and theyd get attacked by chargers constantly Im pretty sure launch had a lot less special infected. Felt like it didnt have as much personality with the characters and enemies. Also every game is better with mods
Sadly an online game that dies on his first month is hard to revive a year or two later, If it's a single player game or cooperative game might work, but not on an online game, when I played the beta it was good, except for the pvp mode
@@dannydanny2789 l4d doesn't need builds to be good, but some people like builds and the variety they bring. As someone who plays a lot of rouge-lites, I personally find them to be quite a enjoyable addition.
I was not and have not been wrong about B4B. I have been staning the actual FUCK out of this game since it came out. I would LOVE to see a rise in the player base, cause I still hop on and play through a campaign or two every once in awhile.
Since it's on sale on steam and cheap as hell on PS, I'm sure player base would go back up even for a little bit. I myself played the beta, but never got the actual game until today. Ultimate edition is pretty cheap and the sale on steam only lasts until today so better late than never.
@@Dazzadaschwiftit wasn’t up to them though. It came out in the wrong time period. Just post Covid where all anyone did was scroll on the internet and play games at home(myself included) so all there was to do was hype new releases, this in combination with a “left 4 dead sister game” release led to a MASSIVE hype train, but it surrounded the wrong aspects of the game. All people were expecting was Left 4 Dead 3. So when it wasn’t a copy and paste people DOGGED the HELL out of this game, almost DOA. Which screwed Turtle Rock into having to let go of the game before they even had a chance to see their vision through.
I feel like, just like in siege, you are totally able to come up with some crazy strats and combos for this game, I can the video titles now, “We made the most OVERPOWERED combos in Back 4 Blood”, “We created Chip Meta in Black 4 Blood”
Back 4 Blood proves Valve carried Left 4 Dead is a video on RU-vid that tells you why the game got such a bad reception at release. It catered to Left 4 Dead players, but they disregarded the developer commentary of the game.
That video ironically has a lot of proven wrong information in it if you've actually played the game, and it's not the first time crowbcat has nitpicked and shown incorrect stuff. I take my own first hand experience than some wackjob capital "G" Gamer youtuber who just caters to ragebait.
Hatred towards B4B had live his own life long before the game became available for even first play. Crowbcat simply takes the popular opinion of the Internet public (often poorly informed and manipulated) and makes a show out of it. This is why he deleted his positive video about VR game, because his audience used to drama, even if it's fake. As a long time L4D player (primarily on expert realism) I loved Back 4 Blood since the first day of beta, because it is repaired all of mistakes of L4D-formula, which no one from L4D clones can't do for years (yes, I'm talking about you Vermintide), and only OG creators from TR had balls to change it and made it better. B4B is L4D3 in its fundamentals and gameplay, but not in story or art direction.
@@BikiniBodhi ironically? You mean it showcases us the wrong notion Turtle Rock expected from us who loved L4D. We never claimed for it to be the exact same franchise as L4D, it was Turtle Rock Studios who did that. It is not our fault they tantalize that it is a spiritual successor of L4D, IT WAS ALL THEIR FAULT. Just tell us if you somehow get what the controversies were before yapping on other people's comments. This is just a falling out in your end. Even if you compare their trailers, you will see who is the one using other brand's name for their own fame. B4B is a cashgrab of attention that took us for granted. Despite still being a fun game to waste time, its only downside is that it is not L4D like they kept on yapping on their trailer and interviews.
People hate it? I tried it on my father's PC, and instantly got addicted. I started getting used to it, learning how it works (he had already played some of it, but stopped because of motion sickness, so learning how to play was already over), and then when I learned how the menu worked, I finished it in a week, start to finish. Then after that, I just went through quick play to help people through the story, and I absolutely LOVED every second of it. Then I stopped. Why? Cause my father didn't know that I still played, so he erased it. When I'll have my own computer setup, I'm 100% downloading it
First impressions upon release and the lack of content upon released pushed most of the people who were L4D2 fans since this game was “marketed” as a sequel of L4D2 which wasn’t.
Ive always been a fan of this game, super replayable and you can unlock really cool outfits for your character just by beating the campaign on a higher difficulty, and if one friend owns dlc you can play it with them for free, they dont beg you for extra money after purchase its nice.
I've been playing back 4 blood in a long time and it never gets old, been wanting to buy on the steam version so I can redo my progress because I've done it with the Xbox app version Edit:got myself Ultimate edition on steam despite having it on xbox... ultimate edition as well and ty for the like Kini, love you❤
Not sponsored, no shit, they jumped the ship a while ago xD On the other hand, I didn't really have a visceral initial reaction but the card system still grew on me over time, I liked how much you can change what you can do. Sad that they dug themselves into a grave by clearly showcasing that Left 4 Dead was mostly thanks to Valve (*cough* Evolve *cough*) and not themselves.
I am sad that they really have to use the good name of Left 4 Dead. I swear, it was like reliving the controversies surrounding the bad messages media used to feed society about Left 4 Dead back then, but thank God it only promoted the game, instead
B4B tried so hard to compare themselves to L4D, that it became cringe... I really tried to be open minded, but the flow was so bad and out of wack, that i would rather play L4D while i was playing B4B... Oh well, game went void and null, so that was such a good sign, when the creators themselves lost hope...
To be fair when this game came out the card system was even worse and the movement left a lot to be desired, it has a good core. I still prefer WWZ though i think
I have a deck in b4b that is built around being almost invincible when using shotguns. Based around a card that gives me stacking temporary health whenever one of my pellets HITS a zombie. Combine that with other shotgun buffs and buffing temporary health, once i get a good shotgun its easy going.
I played Beta of b4b and even preordered. But after release only thing dev's did was nerfing strats. No fixing bugs, no new content, nothing Just NERFS
I’ve had B4B since day one and still play. I enjoy that it isn’t for people with ADD, bless their souls. I like using different characters, decks and weapons. I tried a 4 player co-op game that got rave reviews that came out recently and thought it was meh. Didn’t spend more than a couple hours on it and spent no time complaining about it online, other than a few off hand comments where I said something literally like “Eh, tried it, it wasn’t for me.” Loved the first one though. B4B made me realize how much time and energy people put into complaining about things. It’s made me look at my own habits online when it comes to commenting on things I don’t like. I also keep this in mind when I see something has bad reviews.
B4B suffered from heavy focused hatred. This is a main reason why most of the negative comments online so out of touch with reality, still, and most of ordinary players do not touch the game to get their own opinion.
@@JackfromshackBecause who would play a 60$ live service that's been abandoned by its developers? To give a game a chance is for the community to love it in the first place and Back 4 Blood is dead on arrival. One steam summer sale and L4D2 gains hundreds more players in its player base.
@@danielgeronimo5538 Do you have bandwagon syndrome? Yes, what is more popular is objectively better. It's the same with RU-vid videos, whoever has more views is right. There are no more criteria. A very cozy and easy-to-understand world. I won't dare to ruin it.
@@JackfromshackLet me paint a picture for you, say I bought the game to try it out for myself. And oh no I'm disappointed because it wasn't what I expected it would be. But they say it's more fun with friends, but I only got money to buy it for myself and my friends are already set on their mind in not liking it. So that's 60$ down the ditch on a game I probably won't enjoy since players and lobbies are rare. I have to be constantly online in order to play it, the bots are not as good to play with as real players. That's not a bandwagon, it's just reality and in this reality Back 4 Blood is inferior to L4D2 who has countless community and developer support for 16 years going forward. Not all things are hated because someone popular says it's bad, it's hated for a reason and that reason varies. And do pray tell how they can improve on something they are not working on anymore? Also when everyone has a different reason for hating on something that's an indication why something is bad. I don't dislike B4B for not being L4D3, I don't like it because it's a disappointment in its own right. Besides anything positive to say about this game has also been parroted by nearly everyone barring from its real problems. I don't care for what popular RU-vidrs have to say about it, to me if it isn't reasonable, then no I'm not buying it. Case in point if to you, everything needs to have a criteria to form their own opinion on, then sanctioned things need to be tried by everyone even though they're barred for a reason.
@@danielgeronimo5538 @danielgeronimo5538 Usually I ignore such walls of outdated myths (because they were busted by people smarter and more creative than me), but today I have nothing to do at work. I'll run through them fast. 1. Your expectations are only your problems. No one owes you anything. Don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed. 2. Yes, cooperative games are meant to be played with people, not with yourself. That's the whole point of the genre. 3. B4B has never had problems with online, it's a cross-platform. Simply put, friends are not required. Green Steam numbers are outdated metrics needed only as free content for the dramatic headlines of lazy game journos. 4. You don't need to be online, the game has an offline mode. Bots shoot better than most players, also give you ammo which infinite for them. 5. L4D2 has not had real support since what 2011 when they added half-assed community-made campaign Cold Stream. Last not community-made update was in 2010 (!). The difference is that the B4B devs openly said that they did everything they wanted for this game, not just go into radio silence like Valve always do. What are even speak about? 6. B4B does not need real gameplay improvements (only few new exploit fixes), it is perfect for playing even today. 7. Criticism of B4B began long before anyone could even play it in the open beta test. Such criticism is based not on "how the game succeed in what It intended", but on "what someone wanted the game to be instead". 8. Everyone hates B4B for the same things seen in the same popular videos (usually it is Crowbcat's). Things that are "hated by the majority" are often judged on merit over time by colder, unbiased minds (for example, John Carpenter's The Thing, or the Star Wars prequels, Doom 3, etc.), because the bandwagon has gone to another place, and you can not be afraid to be a black sheep in the herd by expressing an unpopular opinion. The same thing will happen to B4B, if it hasn't already happened (if you believe in Steam statistics so much, read the reviews). And by the way, B4B is literally the same game as L4D2 (or 3 would have been) only with a thick layer of replaybility on top of it. But you didn't play to know that. I don't blame you.
I played it when it released on game pass from Xbox. The game was good but really unbalanced on some aspects: - I think that at the start there were 3 difficulties, which the difference from the hardest and previous one was the big gap of difficulty, normal felt too easy and hard was doable until the last act. - Cards that determined the randomness is a good idea, but they impacted way too heavy on a run. The fact that we were stuck hard on a level and thanks to the cards we rushed in no time was weird. Also the high chances on cards that can cause hoardes by adding elements is annoying in my POV. After I ended the game, they added more patches which solved some problems I mentioned earlier about hoardes and I think about difficulties too, should replay and see if it improved in a good way.
Yoooo picked this game up last year to play with friends. Went into it thinking it was gonna be more l4d, but was surprised at how different it was. Had a lot of fun with it and doing different builds. Should get back into it....
the only like, personal problem i had with B4B is that it was sold AS a new L4D, its not new l4d, is like, a different take on horde shooting, a mroe build focued style while playing with the foun dation of l4d gameplay, thats cool, thats great, but, yeah, was sold as new l4d so that hurt its rating backk then a lot, alogn with your regular bugs and stuff that is fixed after the 1st week, but yeah, gaem was hurt because wrogn marketing strategy
Were we wrong about Evolve also? B4B is a game that directly kept comparing itself to L4D which is why it was dunked on because what features it took from those games were subpar in comparison. What different and new features it had were not enough to keep players invested especially comparing it with L4D. It's not a bad game but I don't think people are wrong when they compare it with L4D.
@@BikiniBodhi Yeah. They're very different despite having similar DNA. They should've tried to tone down how they marketed the game comparing it to L4D so much. Also lmao at it's better than R6 extraction very true.
@rexvergastrong learn the difference between devs and marketing, marketing probably forced it since it made their jobs "easier". Happens alot, same issues on Siege.
The zombies in L4D were beautifully animated and had great physics. It is fun to mow down well animated creatures and that is why people will play L4D forever. B4B felt like I had awesome tools and weapons, but I was fighting at a low budget city fair animatronic shooting gallery. While it is fun it sure didn't last long. Basically, L4D is simpler but infinitely more enjoyable for me because I feel like I am fighting real zombies. It's like Dying Light vs DL2. Dying Light is more enjoyable for me because it has the better physics. Both parkour and combat but I do love some of the animations in DL2.
@@BikiniBodhi Oh I know they patched up the animations. The band-aids didn't help. The engines underlying problems are still holding the animations and physics back. Similar situation with Starfield. No amount of patches or reconstructions will fix the dinosaur engine the game is ran on. But you seem to love B4B, so I look forward to your next video. ✌❤️
not trinna defend siege ill never forget the map drought but I just realized technically all the cosmetics can be gotten thru in-game play if u sell stuff on the marketplace
@@BikiniBodhi well one big unknown fact is that there is only a “no hope completion” achievement, for act 5 and 6 since no hope wasn’t a difficulty as of before that point. Most of my gameplay was with doc and a very high trauma resistance build, very high healing efficiency and movement speed. That’s what got me through it. Alternatively you can use the “meth head” mellee build on holly. You can swing forever and do lots of damage, it just hinders your performance against big bosses. Mostly I’d say doc is your best bet with a decent healing build. But a lot of things work. That’s the magic. There’s not a meta of sorts. Every build is good. Would love to play with you honestly, could be fun
Some of kinni's praises are definetly more so opinions cuz a 3 hour campains is too long for intense gameplay and this is also my opinion but the design of the specials is very poorly thought of, they might have changed it from the begining but when I tried the game some of them felt imposible to counter without at least taking some damage
Honestly I heard a lot of bad things about B4B back when it came out and never got around to trying it, maybe i should. Also, if you like build variety, tons of replay value, and team strategy, perhaps you should try out Deep Rock Galactic, it's got big potential for a video!
I always enjoyed B4B even during that rough first year or it had. only criticisms i had that wasn't addressed was the enemy roster had variants that were hard to differentiate at a glance though it was mitigated by the corruption cards and how those work. B4B was the standard i had hoped extraction would try to meet. lots of fond memories of the game with folks who i haven't played with in a hot minute. i remember the insanity that pre full deck starts were on nightmare back in the beta/day 1 of the game.
I played the beta but was put off by the price point, especially since i think it was the 70 or 80 dollar version that included any future content. I'm glad i waited but now that i can see what the game is and its available for 6 or so bucks i think i might have to finally give it a try, love rpg mechanics and character builds.
Just picked this game up while it was on sale. I was worried it wasn't going to be great based off of the reviews I had heard of it previously. But being one of the only games I could play with my console friends, I settled for it. I've been having a great time and a lot of fun. I especially love the zombies, the fact that its a worm is just really cool to me. Edit: Also the menu song is fire
I can't say that the game is worth it at full price, especially the DLCs. But I picked up Back 4 Blood on Steam Sale plus the season pass for $10. And I'll say that it's not that bad, honestly kind of mindlessly fun so long as expectations are set appropriately. I never encountered the issues most people have had since I wait for games to be patched to hell before playing lol. The grinding aspect does suck, but like I said B4B is mindlessly fun so I haven't had much issue getting the currency needed to unlock cards. I have to say Left 4 Dead 1/2 are still king of this horde-based shooter genre, with Deep Rock Galactic being one of my more favorite of the later generations. But as it stands, Back 4 Blood isn't as bad as the discourse puts it out to be.
I really enjoy the game myself. I main Heng cause his perk with left overs is can make him a beast. Especially with enough of the cereal left over The one thing that annoys me with its haters is that they all say the same thing "Who thought the card system was a good idea?" but never actually explain what's wrong with it, like its common knowledge. I play solo, cleared recruit and have begun working on veteran difficulty and mother of god the game doesn't pull its punches. I'm considering making a new deck solely for that. IMO thats actually really good game design, helps set the difficulties apart as well as encourages you not to be stubborn and change up your strategy. Only change I'd make is carrying a legendary item(s) to the end of the act nets you extra skull totems. It has to be a golden legendary item like the ones you get from wrapped chest. Also the Hag is 1,000,000 times scarier then the Witch could ever hope to be.
@@living_terror2781 is different, not better, l4d is king on the field of "LOAD IN CLOCK IN AND GET SHOOTING BOYS" no thoughs, only kill zombie, b4b is different, that has its upsides and its downsides, but i wouldnt call it worse, and i agree with the og comment, the worst mistake and teh reason it had sucha bad rep was cuz ppl were lookign for that l4d3 experience
@@living_terror2781 mods and nostalgia are the only things that makes LFD2 good for what it is. Anyone who wasn't there during the golden age of zombie shooters won't even look LFD2 as a great game... and more will want games like fortnite.
The only game i play now. (been playing since launch.) I'm a L4D vet and yes its a classic but its a borefest compared to B4B, and thats a statement i thought I'd never say as a L4D superfan
Saw the expansion pass on sale on Xbox for $5 so I bought it and ordered a copy of the game of Amazon. Excited to check it out again, I played the beta and and few levels when it first came to game pass
My biggest problem with this game was finding matches wirh randoms and when I did I got stuck waiting for them to pick their character or cards. This goes back to the games launch and the few times I went back to try it again.
Love back for blood. Used to have abuild called. What color is your Bugatti? I start off with all the money cards. and all the armor cards too. Start from act one, stage one. You buy all the cards that you find in a game. And you change your play style depending on what cards you pick up? By the end of the game, you should have all the cards
idk man I didn't really like b4b, killing zombies is just unimpactful as all hell compared to something like killing floor 2 or especially left 4 dead 2, that game's still up there on the satisfying zombie murder list
I believe that if they were to market this as a different game then just saying that it is left 4 dead 3, then i feel like it would not have been less well received.
This is trully a hidden gem, sad it got so poorly recived, but youtubers like you that post videos of it will get more ppl into this game so looking forward to more of it 😃
I'm glade more people are seeing that B4B is a good game with re-playability. I still play it from time to time but sometimes it's hard to find a game because player count is low and it's sad because the game has lots of depth and thinking put into it. I'm looking forward to more B4B content P.S.: you should try to make an MG build, I made one and it's so much fun just spraying led at the enemies and it melts mutations
@@skilledshooter401 what I meant is: I tried the game and was really disappointed. Game is not worth playing. I have beaten all chapters on veteran and most on nightmare. "No hope" difficulty is really though tough. Playing solo with bots, works much better than with real people in my opinion. Because the developers made some terrible decisions, which ruins the game for me.
It's decent as its own game but Turtlerock studios didn't have to push the idea it's from the makers of L4D. That simply made the hype focus on that idea and so it didn't do well on release.
It's fun, i love the gun in this game, you can customize it with anything, hell i turned shotgun into a sniper rifle lmao. The only problem i have in this game is the AI, they are dumb as f.
i liked the game. unfortunatley my friends moved away from it after the rights were sold off to a Chinese company and they stopped supporting it with regular updates.
It CAN be fun sometimes (when I played it during release) with the special infected and decent weapon variety, but with the CPUS not killing any zombies at all, the changes each difficulty setting felt like it went from 0-200 in a switch, the attachments being screwed onto your guns so you can’t switch around even when you had the same weapon, and the perk system restarting after a campaign made the gameplay aspect sometimes feel awful, and the characters are a massive step down to the characters we had in L4D1 and L4D2. It’s a decent game, but I won’t be playing it over L4D2 if given the choice too.
for me I just didn't like the level themes all that much. L4D had hospital level, the mall with the gassing up the car, the rain flood level etc. B4B is like "wait, which lvl was this again?" the whole time.
Actually not quite true! Their contract with Warner Bros only ran for one year and didn't sign for more, they have since signed to Tencent which is why they started working on a sequel for B4B under a new publisher.
B4b wasn't a bad game the problem was the balance in the game on launch, the fact it wasn't 4 diff campaigns but 1 massive campaign, and the sheer length. I love the game but sadly don't have the time to play through an entire arc of the game the way I can and could with l4d. Edit. Wanted to add the devs stopped supporting the game so they didn't add much of anything new which sucked I would have loved to continue playing.
Actually not quite true on the "stopped development" part! Their contract with Warner Bros only ran for one year and didn't sign for more, they have since signed to Tencent which is why they started working on a sequel for B4B under a new publisher.
One issue for no hope in b4b is too many cheater or bug abuser. You go in pub game for no hope, every game at least got 1 guy is obviously cheating or abusing bug.
Turtle Rock made a huge mistake - instead of promoting B4B, they have promoted L4D by mentioning that they are L4D devs (btw only few devs did work with it). And It's not big suprise, that it had backfired them.
@@Jackfromshack they can mention whatever they want, but people did expect new L4D from the game that were made "by L4D creators" and looks like L4D and have kinda of similar name but on release it wasn't the game what people were expected. A lot of people back than said that B4B made them want to play L4D, so yes, they do really promoted better L4D than B4B. And the fact that only 7 people did worked with L4D don't make situation much better. I don't say that B4B bad game, Turtle Rock just messed up with people's expectations.
@@Kuzess >"expect new L4D from the game that were made "by L4D creators" And they did this. But most gamers can't perceive cards, no matter what system is embedded in them, even if it's just a visual wrapper for perks. >"it wasn't the game what people were expected" I got exactly what I expected, but even more and better. But in most cases - your expectations are you worst enemy. >"7 people did worked" You can't know for sure who contributed how much to the game. Only Valve and TR themselves can know this and make such statements. Valve is known for their development teams going into projects and leaving them freely as long as they personally interested in it. The core of L4D has always been TR, and in B4B proves this by gameplay design >"Turtle Rock just messed up with people's expectations" Do not expect anything, and evaluate things for what they are, not for what you would like them to be.
Dude i love this game ever since i first ever played the beta idk why they hated this game i loved mechanic and really fun pvp swarm and cool characters and really nice gameplay i bought it again for 6 bucks and holy moly it fun game to come back after 2 years
Because L4D2 still exists and after 16 years it's still going strong. Playing this game only reminds the players what they truly want. And what they marketed to people. Here's the thing, Helldivers II feels more like a proper successor to L4D2 than this game does.
I dont understand the hate for tbis game. Its very fun and very deep as far as customization. You can go for so many builds and mix it up with different characters. I think people liked left for dead for being so casual. No ADS, just shoot shoot shoot. I loved ledt for dead. But lets be honest, if it came out today it probably wouldnt be as well recieved because the shooting and depth isnt there. The core gameplay is the same with the two games. Kill zombies and get to saferoom. In one you can create unique builds, lots of variety of attachements and guns, tons of perks to try and the other has nostalga.
>depth isn't there >It's just shooting zombies Unbelievable how people can be so wrong about certain things. That they end up inadvertedly lying about it.
@danielgeronimo5538 Love how you state I'm wrong with no counterpoints. I liked both games. Played them about equally as much. LFD has the music queues down perfect and better special enemies. BFB has more in depth shooting design and customization. Tell me I'm wrong again I guess.
@@seanwalsh2488Because you simply are, I really don't need to point out such an obvious thing. L4D2 is as simple as it is deep. Unique mechanics for each special infected, special strategies that you can combine with your own arsenal in both sides of each faction. The map designs are simple, memorable, but very tactical in its own way. If you don't know what you're doing or where to go, you're gonna restart a lot and there's already a lot going on per attempts. That's the thing about objectives in Left 4 Dead, it's simple at first glance, but you need to be prepared with absolute shenanigans that can happen along the way, all at the best of your abilities and core understanding of the game. No card system to help you, because instead of having an AI teach you the ropes it's more akin to like playing poker does in which you can be dealt a bad hand. That's another depth added to L4D2, the idea of fear and things that can go wrong. The horror of it comes from the idea things can go south. Having a fun time being in tight corners? How about a tank spawn? Feeling too comfortable in Crescendo events? The AI will put an unavoidable Witch along the way, and so much more depends on how your team plays. All of these are not in Back 4 Blood. It would not have been a problem had they said it isn't a successor to L4D2 as it would be understandable not to hold too much expectations. But here's what we got, bloated card mechanics that had potential which while versatile, is also the game's biggest detrimental. You know the one game that did a perk system without feeling overpowered yet still customizable? CoD Zombies, where some of the rules from Left 4 Dead applies a lot in many maps. It's good having to customize the way you play the game, even if it inches you to a certain comfort zone but it brings another problem to the table. The director here is way more erratic, inconsistent, at the same time predictable, going from sleepy easy to absolutely unfair hard. The reason why Expert in L4D2 feels just right is because it tests your depth and understanding of the game goes it doesn't just throw more hordes at you, and fire zombies or fog around the map. It also rewards players that are doing really well, like more med kits for helping teammates or reviving them. Versus mode shines a lot here and arguably the peak of the game since the director manages performances for both teams and it does so brilliantly. I could go on and on for why Left 4 Dead is such a beloved franchise and about its depth. But most important about it, all of what it has, is completely doable on your own and you don't need other people to have fun. It's harder, sure, but it's a small price to pay for having to worry about a game dying because its servers shutdown. We're not even talking about characters, details, and all other stuff in comparison between the two. Is this a bad game? Not really. At the hands of a disciplined studio a lot of these can work really well. There's a good game beneath all these mess, and that's what it needs, discipline. Which Turtle Rock had as Valve South.
@danielgeronimo5538 Again as someone who loves both games I see many of the things you just said about LFD carry over to BFB. I do agree that BFB does require a pre made squad while LFD you can go more solo, but maybe that's what makes BFB good is the team aspect. Both games are similar in terms of how you have to come up with different strategies. I'd argue there's even more strategies in BFB. Not everyone in the squad can just go for a DPS AR build because you sacrifice too many support roles. To me that was the most satisfying thing about BFB was providing my team with constant meds and revives, patching them up during and after fights, barely making to the next saferoom. The attrition factor was so high at times in BFB and you felt pressed for resources. I enjoyed that part. Yes I agree LFD offered more of a horror aspect. The special zombies are done extremely well. At the end of the day everyone just grabbed whatever AR they liked and went to town. Not everyone can run AR in BFB. You need teammates dropping you rounds from their pool of supplies to keep going. At the end of the day bro we can keep going forever. But to me they are both great games for different but similar reasons. One is more immersing and the other you can dedicate a role and play your way. A
@@seanwalsh2488 The thing is tho there is indeed a more "specialization" in L4D2, or well at least with higher difficulties. I've been playing on expert lately and it surprised me a lot how much "roles" do matter in each run. Here's an example, I was playing with 3 randoms and one of us is carrying a rifle, but I also am currently carrying a rifle, I saw an AR and I switched to it. It may seem small, but it means a lot for survival because it doesn't feel like both your teams are looking both ways at the same time, one guy becomes the Vanguard of the team, the other the sniper, while the rest handles other roles like even being a melee tank or supply seeker. There's even a form of support role, as players can find other kits, give adrenaline, or pills to people who are lagging behind, and the game awards that decision making. I honestly don't have too many complaints about roles in B4B, I'm an RPG fan anyway so I feel right at home with it, I just feel like it needs a little more finesse, something that is earned while playing. If I would go with one change and one change only for B4B to sell to me is to improve the special infected and maybe make a more neutral and consistent Director AI. Either ditch or tweak the mutation cards, and make it feel less of roguelite and more of a general survival cooperative FPS. Also maybe more detail in animations because the way infected sprints compared to the ridden is a night and day detail, but that is just my preference.
If u really like build and FPS, i recommend Payday 2, a 10 years old game that in my opinion better than some new game that recently release. NOT PAYDAY 3 tho, i won't recommend the sequel for nowsince there is too much flaw compare Payday 2. However, the dev is making the sequel better and better as the day went on.
Another reason I think B4B didn't do so well is because World War Z came out 2 years before and people had tired of zombie killing. So even if you aren't part of the cult following of L4D, you already had 2 years of grinding this other game.
Yes! Melee perks have lots of self-healing perks for melee builds like [Face Your Fears] which gives you temp-health whenever you kill a ridden in melee range. Then you can stack that with other perks that make temp health give you damage resistance and such! Then there's also perks like [Vanguard] which heals you whenever you kill something with melee!
You are 100% sure its not an ad? couse this really felt one. you could shown more gameplay or funny moments. but i agree its a fun game and it got too much hate, i gonna say a unpopular opinion. i think its a better version of Left 4 dead. just because of the perks
Yeah in hindsight I should've done more gameplay, and I properly will do another video with it, but it felt out of place after the whole 9 mins of talking about it, so I scrapped it.
Hey Kini. If you like Diablo style games with tons and I mean tons of builds, you should try Path of Exile and on top of that the game is free. It is an awesome ARPG. You should try it.
In all seriousness what ruined it for me was that no one was playing it. I couldn’t find anyone! So I tried solo and it fucking sucked. This a co op game like left 4 dead and when u play alone it fucking blows. I did play alone for a few months but I couldn’t even get through the first anything. I love this style of co op because of left 4 dead! I loved dead island and world war z. Now I’m just hoping the devs and really paying attention because they made a lot of mistakes in this game and the marketing and as master yoda once said “the greatest teacher failure is”
