Your REAL Opinions on FM25 (w/  

@omegalukegaming Will fm25 run on my laptop? 45 nm "Sub to Clayts" 2.26 GHz Intel "Core 2 Duo" processor (P7550) -- with two independent processor "cores" on a single silicon chip -- a 3 MB shared "on chip" level 2 cache, a 1066 MHz frontside bus, 2 GB of 1066 MHz DDR3 SDRAM (PC3-8500) installed in pairs (two 1 GB modules), a 250 GB Serial ATA (5400 RPM) hard drive, and an 8X DL "SuperDrive". It also features a NVIDIA GeForce 9400M "graphics processor with 256 MB of SDRAM shared with main memory" and a 13.3" widescreen TFT active-matrix LED-backlit "glossy" display (1280x800 native resolution).

SI would solve 90% of their problems if they weren't so terrible at marketing. Im sure there is probably millions of people who would also play their game if they learnt how to actually show it off properly.

No point pre ordering because: 1. No beta/early access mentioned 2. SI won't run out of copies to sell because it's a digital game. 3. All doom and gloom from SI, big features removed, delayed release, no footage of ME or how UI works, Roadmap with one confirmed date/week on it. If you pre order I think you are solely doing it out of the love for FM because there is nothing logical about pre ordering atm. The fact they are asking for pre orders without even showing the new ME etc is shameless from SI

37% of people annoyed/gutted about the removal of International football is quite high! Considering the 5.6% stat for saves that’s used International management. If you remove all the saves where people opened up FM once or twice, played for 4 or 5 hours, never completed a full season, I wonder if that 5.6% would have higher? This poll suggests people care more about International Football in FM than the loud “who cares it’s rubbish anyway” people on X

The longer the silence goes on from SI, the bigger they will have to deliver when it comes time to present the game. Hoping they are sitting on something great and not just pushing out the date of dissapointment

Japan's J1 League, the viewership typically averages around 6 to 7 million weekly viewers across various broadcast platforms, primarily driven by a strong domestic fanbase and growing international interest, In contrast, the English Women's Super League has been seeing a steady rise in viewership, with weekly matches sometimes surpassing 500,000 viewers on major broadcasts like BBC and Sky Sports, This is why adding the Japanese league can bring them a lot more players for their game than adding any female league. Just because we in Europe don’t care about the Japanese league doesn’t mean that there aren’t a lot of people who do. Numbers don’t lie

I genuinely feel like the womens side of the game being in fm would have got less hate if they maybe held off on it for a year and fixed international management first but who knows

I’m surprised that you both are positively surprised by the excitement stat. If 34% of people that see an FM streamers poll aren’t excited for a generational upgrade game that’s a problem!!

Gotta love the way Clayts says Omega. Like he says here's my friend, Amiga Luke.

Some FM content creators keep saying that adding women’s football is the same as adding other men’s leagues. As a software dev with 15 years of experience I’m sure it’s not as trivial as that. At least if they tried to do it right and made the women’s game reflect the real-life differences in the engine. I bet they spent significant resources on doing that, which caused delays and feature removals. Nobody knows how complicated it was to add all that, but it definitely added more work for the whole team. So, given that lots of people are upset that women’s football is being added to the detriment of the main game. A feature that they don’t want in the first place causing problems for the main game is a solid argument. Personally, I totally support adding women’s football, even if only a small percentage of people will play it. FM should be a game for everyone. But that said, I want a solid, fully-featured game of men’s football first.

Thank you both for putting the effort for this video. One thing I feel like needs mentioning is that people who are subbed to you Clayts or OmegaLuke are not casual players. Casual players don't watch youtube videos or find reddit posts etc, they just see the game and buy it. So I'd argue, your survey candidates are not in the "majority of FM players" group

Great job guys. An honest conversation about the concerns most are having and I think yous nailed it

I don’t know why this has popped into my head, but I’d love to know if you could start in women’s football, move to men’s, but then have say Lauren Hemp, retire and you can hire as a coach? I think it’s a cool option to have

On the pre-order thing. If you look at steam stats for FM22,23,24, there aren't that many pre-orders generally. User numbers sit 10-20k mark during that period. Interestingly, user nunbers overall don't seem to peak until after christmas around late December, January. Numbers stay fairly stable until October of said year when they drop off a cliff down to about 5k active users. 🤔

You should have had an option for "I never pre-order games" in the pre-order question, that is my personal opinion anyway.

looks like the streamers are gonna have to come up with some new save ideas after todays announcement

Staying positive and hoping the match engine looks good but it makes no sense for them to hold back footage if it looks good because they know it would be great for marketing and fan service so they literally have no reason other than it wouldn't sell it. Them dropping the pre-order before we even get a screenshot also seems to back up that they know the engine isnt going to sell this game. Maybe it is just a few tweaks away from being good, so my fingers are crossed.

I'm really excited for it, personally. I fully expect it to be a step back in terms of gameplay, features and maybe even graphics, but it's the start of a new era and I honestly believe in the long run this is the way to go. We need to keep supporting them, although I get people love an internet outrage as well.

I'm still having fun with fm23. I didn't see a reason to buy fm24 and now after what they showed with fm25 I don't see any further investment. fm23 is still being updated, people are still updating the database and adding new things and there is no big, huge difference between fm23 24 and I suspect there won't be between fm 25 either. It's still the same game and you can transfer mods from one version to another. this is an investment for the naive 🙄

I'm happy they are making fundamental changes to the game because so far we've bought a reskin of the same concept for ages. I hope they get it right

In terms of the polls, there should have been an option of I will only play it as it's on the Xbox game pass. I think a percentage will be that.

i think part of the issue with a poll like this is that it's limited to certain specific choices where as what some users choice opinion on a certain posed question might be, is something other than the choices given therefore it's a next best choice, which may be more open to re-evaliation then there own specific opinion......for instance my own opinion on what i think of the new layout is, franky i couldn't care less at this stage, as long as it's functionable my opion is much more based on what most players are concerned about.....but could not care less or indifferent for one of a more formal reply is not on the list of options.....btw this issue happens with many polls, and is really just a limitation of how polls function... ultimate question, are they doing a Rockstar? yeah maybe.. thx for this insight, really interesting

1 day later, so much of this feels out of date! It's a great video and nailed the concept, but FM had other ideas.

The pre orders might be the general feeling towards gaming companies over the last couple of years. People are tired of playing alpha/Beta stages whilst being charged for a completed game.

International Management:- Many play it as BOTH a club and International manager eg Valduz AND Lietchtenstien, so don't have the clicking weeks without anything happening! I do and was promised I could continue my save onto FM25 I HAVE BEEN LIED TO AND LET DOWN. It was suggested only a small percentage of players ever played it! It appears to be about the same percentage as are looking forward to women's football. Data which I used WEIGHT to assess which CB would likely be more able to muscle a forward off of the ball, has been dropped as it might offend! Ridicules How does women's boxing have weight categories!!! And yes I agree that the advertising of FM25 is very very poor.

I pre-ordered mine yesterday, the wife buys me it every year as either a late bday prezzie or early Christmas prezzie so I'm quite excited despite not knowing anything really about the game with the limited info! I think we shall all be quite surprised despite some of the features being cut

May be this was their marketing strategy have you talk about so munch that when it launches we will all be blown away

Good stuff, follow and watch a lot of FM content creators and I have for a long time, Been on football manager I would say since 2007 (I was always LMA) Moved to fm console a couple years ago when my laptop was becoming such a struggle with every release I don’t have the affordability to have a laptop & a console, I have a console and I am definitley not a “casual” Almost a snobbyness comes from laptop players for console players, who invest a lot of time and love the game just as much! I loved the face packs and logos packs and would love to have an amazing computer that lets me do that, but I am hopeful fm console comes out well with this release. Again a bit of a long winded comment based on the console is “casual” makes it a little bit harder when I enjoy both your contents

I'd say those results are far better than what the videos and comments recently would have you believe. Especially since it's probably a sample of more hardcore FM fans on average.

I play on 2D on my toaster laptop so my biggest desired improvements for the new game are really simple. Better newgen faces and better AI interactions.

There's an awful lot more questions to ask now!

I think people are going about this wrong, yes, it's the first time EVER that there's been delays, and problems in development, and that's a good thing: 1 - If there were no problems before it's because not much had changed. 2 - There are problems now which means things actually really changed, which is good. 3 - Since it's the first iteration in the new engine, it's normal that they delay things BECAUSE they want to control the expectations, showing stuff that is unready and might not make it into the final game will only be detrimental. Also people exaggerate the removed features: 1 - International management sucked and NOBODY plays it, it was bad, boring, if you didn't play it, you won't miss it next game. I agree that taking out features "feels bad" however realistically it wasn't good enough anyways, and if the tradeoff for a long requested graphics overhaul, ui overhaul, and a whole database being implemented (womens football) is to give up international management (FOR ONE YEAR) and have it be better later, I think it's worth it. 2 - Shouts were stupid and you couldn't even notice if they made a difference or not, they weren't strategic, the responses were random. Nobody crying about how shouts are so bad, but now that they have been removed, apparently it's the end of the world?

I just hope they don't start spamming the news feed with confusing women's football headlines like the BBC do. Arsenal sign Smith, oh who's that, never mind it's the women's game....

I think that, for me personally after 31 years or so playing Championship Manager/Football Manager, this is the first one I’ve felt any kind of trepidation or hesitation for. From CM93 onwards, I’ve been excited and anticipating every single release, but with FM25 with 2 years or so of development behind it as FM24 was essentially just an update and reskin of FM23, and delays, lack of information, no beta etc. it’s got me worrying they’ve dropped the ball on this one. Now, I’m not saying they won’t recover it for FM26, but I have a gut feeling that 25 is going to be problematic and they’ll fix it for 26, so 25 will end up being kind of a write off, but I hope I’m wrong. I’m firmly in the “Undecided” category. Like Luke said here, FM24 is still enjoyable, still fun, there are transfer updates etc available to download that would carry me over to FM26 if FM25 is problematic, but I’m 100% not buying it on release! I generally tend not to buy FM until after Christmas these days as it gives 8 weeks or so usually for any bugs or issues to be patched out

Look at the way he worded that womens football poll, it's either Brilliant, Great or Hate it! no middle ground option at all. I bet if there was a not bothered option that would be the majority.

I think the game will be a very good first entry into unity, although I'm please they have put women's football in the game as that's where I plan to start before going on to the men's game and although I'm sure it has nothing to do with it but I would rather have had international management. I like to take u21 international jobs and build the national team for when I eventually take the main job. I will still pre order the game as I do every year

This will be the first FM in I don't even know how many years that I will not pre order (unless they release something unexpected). I'm cautiously hoping for this game to be great, I'm really worried though

I loved the video. Both you and Luke are fantastic!

Not me still playing my fm23 save just cuz I love the system ive builds

If it’s going to be late coming out be nice to have a player update for fm24 but probably add more pressure on what they already behind on

It's nice to think positive and hope that they're purposefully holding back the amazing improvements to generate more hype but from a marketing perspective I feel like it wouldn't make much sense to do that, especially once you see people's overall reaction being a bit mediocre. Why not change up the roadmap as soon as you see this and put the big feature (graphics) first? I know we're talking about Miles and SI here but why shoot yourself in the foot so bad by doing it the way they're doing it now?

I'm from an era when there was little to no promotion for new titles apart from the odd advert in a games magazine, so I don't really care about when they choose to show off the new game. In fact, I wouldn't care if there wasn't any promotion for it, because it makes sod all difference. You're either going to like the game when it comes out or you're not. There will be plenty of gameplay videos, streams and reviews after launch, so if you're wary about buying it, wait for those. It's not going to sell out in a couple of days. I can't be bothered with this overwhelming entitlement to know everything about it before it's released. But I suppose that's how the industry is these days. And before I get the 'but SI expect you to pre-order based on nothing' line - NO, they don't. They give you the option to pre-order. Overall sales figures is what matters to them, not how many people pre-order beforehand. People need to just chill and wait for what comes out. At the end of the day, it's hardly life of death.

"I know female women footballers."

Im playing fm 24 right now , im in the year 2040 with everton lol , i see no need for a new match engine , i like the current graphics and interface , i will not play womens football because i dont know a single player ,no disrespect , and i like when my players get selected for intl matches and win world cup or euro league , it just adds to the lore of fm , fm25 has me not interested at all.

75 percent of people who say they aint gonna buy it, Will have atleast 300 hours invested before Jan25.

It all seems very half hearted. SI don't seem as interested as they want us to be. It feels like our love for the game is taken for granted to a certain degree.

regarding the "no" on the preordering question, there is a big "never preorder" movement on the internet. I will most likely buy FM25, but i NEVER preorder any game.

I skipped buying FM 24 with the intention of getting the "new and improved" FM 25. Now im undecided on if im going to purchase or just wait till next year and continue with FM 23 for another year.

They need to remove from Miles Jacobsen from all future promo cycles, it's like having your pissed-up bitter grandad fronting your worldwide promo campaign.

Run the poll again Like to see how you get the positives from this

I think it’s funny and understandable btw when creators act like concerned employees. And in a funny way they kind of are. I’ve felt exactly like these guys at work when a product or a system isn’t working or ready, yet we’re expected to carry on. You feel let down by the powers that be and are just looking for assurances they know what they’re doing.

The thing I'm worried about is the player faces in the match engine. If it is like Fifa they had faces for the more popular players for more then a decade. And my worry is FM will not have 1 real face which I'm ok with but I think they wont even look close to the real life players.

I feel like they should have just done another game on the old engine and then that gives them another year to polish everything out and not remove features

I fully agree with both of you being a bit disappointed by the announcements. But I've found one thing I've always been a fan of from SI is that they never overpromise the game unlike 99% of games these days. I think either way it's going to be a good game, just not what people think is possible. Plus it can't be as bad as EAFC is this year

42:54 - Regarding your point about the women's football feature being data-only: didn't they say that they also had to go in and create a whole bunch of new women's football specific animations? Not saying it's not gonna be worth it but it definitely sounds like a bit more than just data, especially given how they've been working on it for a seemingly long time already (announcement somewhere in 2023 I believe?)

I've bought the game the day it came out. I trust the makers of the game and I'm gonna wait with my opion. I can understand the general feeling because of the lack of content shared about FM25 but still I trust the makers.

I feel that 30% of the voters must be Sports Interactive empoyees... it just cant be anything other than that :D :D :D :D

Bought every game over the past 10 years. at this stage, I don't know if I will be getting FM25 need to see a lot more from SI

I’m not surprised by the console results. I got FM for free on PS+ and after a few hours found it unplayable. Something as simple as substituting a player or changing formation took way too many steps. I’m yet to be convinced FM will ever work on controller.

I had a poor PC when I first started back with football manager upgrade twice last time to a gaming PC could never play on console. Literally got a laptop to play the game. I'll buy it every year. This year I've a feeling we going to be surprised or that's my hope

Interesting discussion and vid lads

Bro they havent even started updating the road map 😭 "Introducing Women's Football Unlocks 7 Oct"

I've been playing FM/CM since the 93/94 season - bought it every year - but I've never pre-ordered. I don't think you can pre-order any game these days as they are all a buggy mess and FM is no different. I buy it around Christmas when it's had several months of community playtests to iron out the wrinkles and some additional content skins etc. have come out to make it more of a looker. I don't like that SI are removing any features not because I study players' weight before I sign them or because I play a lot of international football (though I do enjoy a save with a club/country combo in the same small country acting as almost a feeder club to the national team) but because it just feels like a backward step and one that they are introducing because they have to commit resources elsewhere because the rest of the game is perhaps in trouble. I'd also say for many that's how they feel about women's football being included - if the rest of the game was fine and wasn't delayed/in trouble then there would be far less comment (there would always be some) but because the rest of the game seems in trouble people are annoyed that resources have been put into women's football rather than fixing/optimizing the rest of the game.

Do a versus rebuild against each other 👍

Couple o Goats here

Removing weight ruins my immersion.... Mainly cause if I have a Center Forward that is 6'7 350 pounds... He will be known as THE UNIT... If he's just 6'7... he's Peter Crouch. Pre-Ordering has been ruined by other developers, I don't pre-order anything anymore... It's not an FM thing, it's a thieving video game industry thing. The 11.1% of the people who hate the inclusion of women's football clearly were not hugged enough as children, and should probably be on a watchlist. Also a question for you... In an era where iPhones are more universal than clean drinking water... Why does every player not have a picture?

About womens football, i would somewhat understand the hate if it was standalone and a different gamemode, as i believe it would get lower numbers than international management did which was taken out, but as its combined, in a journeyman and u never really knew any of the leagues u start with so joining Fc Gifu in J3 would be the exact same as joining Brighton Womens, meaning that its like a new country getting added, except its got a database of 20k+ players, allowing a tonne more leagues to explore with different rules, which is the whole point of journeymen saves, exploring new leagues, so i believe womens football is the most exciting part of fm25s release, if not the only exciting part

Xbox console player, … I’ve been playing 24 on pass this season. But I literally bought the whole 24 game just yesterday so fm can’t force me to switch to 25 via the pass. ❤ I’m staying on 24 this year until the whole game comes out even it that’s 26.

Bit odd that people criticise the game even though no one has seen any reveals on it yet. I for one am still getting it and will enjoy playing football manager as i do every year. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’ve barely played over the past few years and I’ve even stopped watching RU-vid series. It had stagnated for me and I don’t feel as into the game as I was. The only changes they made each year were things I couldn’t care less about. I haven’t liked the layout in the past few, I never use the data centre, I never use shouts, full of glitches still and the match engine has been trash. I’m excited because at least this is something new and it’s the start of a new era for FM which is the most exciting thing that’s happened for a long time. If people don’t like it then skip it and stick with fm 24 and show them you’re not happy by not handing your money over.

I only buy the latest fm once my existing save is finished. I bought fm24 only after I finished my fm21 save and I’m yet to finish my save on fm24. FM for me is my me time, so I don’t actually need to buy the latest but I watch all the videos on them on YT.

I'm a PC player (laptop) and for years FM has been the only game I have installed. I have a console and no interest in playing FM on it.

Not once has a new match engine been announced . just a new graphics engine

There needs to be a good enough reason to upgrade from FM24. At the moment I can’t see it and I upgrade every year.

I don't understand why people are so down about it. It's gonna be new and different.

Lots removed from the original game engines with veiled promises they 'may' return at a later date? Mmmm - Confucius says 'if its not broke, dont fix it'! You know what, Im going to give FM25 a wide berth for at least 12/18 months after its release

It's your income they are playing with. My choice is simple, to buy or not buy. At the moment, I haven't seen anything, so I am not buying. You guys are doing this to put food on your table. If I were in that situation, I'd be looking at options.

I will buy it anyway, because FM is one of the few games that I can play on my laptop and it is one of the ones with which I have the most fun, I just hope that the game is decent, women's football I admit I will never play it, but for those who are happy to play it, better for them

If your worried of the game go back to to 2007 with number dots for match engine

Surely everyone is trying to get to the match day but there's admin to do...

My PC plays fifa fine, so I'm good. I've spent a decent amount on a gaming laptop. Because I wanted to load more leagues hell I love paying watch dogs on my laptop or new pes

The way people vote and what they do with their wallets are two very different things, so can't read too much into polls like these.

I always seem to fall into some kind of minority when it comes to FM😅Why is Touch not getting much attention from you full time guys?? Console is not the only non-mobile or non-PC users.

36% feeling negatively about international football being removed compared to 7% being excited for the addition of women's football might be minorly worrying. I think the concern that is being dismissed towards the end of this video is that people aren't necessarily annoyed about the women's game being included, it's the fact it's to the detriment of the game in general. Add women and keep all the features would have WAY less of a negative reaction than we're currently seeing.

The money is in the casual market so I have a horrible feeling they are aiming towards that market. I'm afraid us hardcore players will be kind of not bothered with imo.

I hate to say it, but I think I’m going to enjoy the new game. If it’s simpler to play and the in-game graphics are more realistic, it will give me total club manager 2003 vibes, and a lower barrier to entry for less statistically-minded people like myself. I totally get how this would be a downgrade for more seasoned players.

The way I feel is just… I would rather have had a reinvented international manager mode than women’s football added this year, I have nothing against the women being added, sure it could be fun, but I just feel like I whould have more fun with international football than women’s football 😅

Luke , i have a PS1... will it run FM25 ?

PERFECT COLLAB

Not against the introduction of women’s footy, however I feel that SI have bitten off more than they can chew. Overall, I hope the game is good been playing since fm10 and love the game

I think people are going to be disappointed with the “new graphics” and newgens - the match engine for fm 24 was pretty good overall but I think people are expecting huge improvements and I really don’t think there will be I felt the screen shots (even though they say could change) they’ve realised looked too developed for console and mobile. On a personal level I have no interest in the women’s game on fm and I feel they have spent unnecessary funds on it but I don’t have to play it however they could’ve spent those funds on improvements in other areas eg on international management I reckon that this FM is going to have some major issues, bugs etc but probably won’t be fixed until after the January window patch

This is all going the same way as another game i had been looking forward too a few months ago - Cities Skylines 2!

How can you have an opinion on a game that you only know by 3 screenshots?

Instead of a crap sandwich theyve just given us the crap and wonder why people are negative towards it

I play fm on console is it available to pre order on PC yet ?

So in conclusion..... FM is going to move away from being EXCEL DLC FOOTBALL SIMULATOR to GENERIC FOOTBALL MOBILE GAME on unity..... Did i got that 1 right????

I'll never understand why video game trailers and adverts don't show gameplay, it just makes them irrelevant. FC25's was awful until they cut out the parts with no relevance and FM25's was completely pointless and a waste of money, apart from the barely visible screenshots of gameplay

Let's be honest with each other - ensuring that the game meets minimum-viable product and releases without any delays should have been far more important than the opportunity cost wasted on adding women's football which nobody cares about, yet here we are... The senior management at Sports Interactive is either incompetent or out-of-touch, probably both at this point...

I will give si the benefit of doubt. As they don't let us down.

i think there is a big difference that no one is talking about between the hardcoer and the casuals and it makes no sense to me that the argument and feelings on both sides of the coin are running hot. its been proven and you can look this up that no one is making casuals sign up to side plus and if someone wants more ethan in their life and are going to pay actual money for it thats hardcore to me and i bet hardcore to most of you to. no one is making you pay anyone any money ok?