This is such a weird take from illuminati. In all my time working in motion graphics, I have never seen anyone upset about using a basic effect function.
It's because she doesn't do the work so has zero understanding of how editing culture works. All she does is read scripts written for her by people she pays to write them and pays editors to edit them.
She seems addicted to using her platform to torpedo others to punish them for perceived wrongs they've done to her, I think it's a power thing. It's over now though. I just can't believe she was stupid enough to go after and publicly accuse an actual lawyer.
@Anatomychant That's an unfortunate personal development. I don't follow her on social media so I havent seen much of that behavior, but hopefully she walks away learning from this. I can't imagine many more of these hot-takes furthering her career as an internet personality.
@@froznpyro Is not the first time she did this either, except her base could squash the voices of the smaller creators before. It was Icarus flying too close to the sun when she tried pulling this stunt on LE, her echo-chamber base doesn't help with her delusions too.
I’m an artist myself and have seen loads of people accuse others of stealing their art style, as if art styles aren’t all inspired by pre existing art styles. Most normal/sane/adult artists roll their eyes at the idea that an art style can be stolen as well lol
Illuminaughti, the queen of basically reading off a Wikipedia page and calling it research, calling out other people for plagiarism is hysterical to me.
Worse, she gets information wrong multiple times per episode, and her editor will post what she was supposed to have read on the screen instead. Blair’s too lazy to even re-record herself.
@@SolaireIntensifies you see it a lot with politicians, the ones crying most about the bad behaviours of their rivals are often the most guilty of it themselves.
I used to watch a lot of Illuminaughtii and her being accused of plagiarism makes complete sense to me tbh. She would pump out nearly hour long videos every week that were seemingly very well researched (covered many facets of a topic, cited sources, etc) to such a degree that even if she had a fairly large team, the workload seemed to be taxing.
She also clearly displays a distinct lack of understanding anything she says. She constantly draws the wrong conclusions based on facts she just read off. Any time she goes off-script it's very clear she has no clue wtf she's talking about.
AYYYYYYYYY. This is the funniest comment possible when one of the reasons I stopped watching her a couple years ago was because she had started to remind me of Creepshow Art.
One thing I’ve learned since graduating graphic design college is that good creators don’t gatekeep, it’s just a rule of thumb. It’s what makes making art a community instead of a competition. The way Blair acts feels like they’re not confident in their own work and they’re scared of other people doing it better.
its because her work isn't very original in itself. Shes just reading basic facts you could find on wikipedia about companies from their "controversies" sections, with some minimal editing. Tons of other people have done that before she ever did.
It makes me think of all those nextdoor threads where people started to stalk neighbors bc they don't know any of them and it's literally just them going to and from work. overt hostility because they want to be in a community but not part of a community and when people try to connect (Like the legal eagle editor) they only know how to lash out.
Reminds me of those young artists that are very defensive of their art style and if someone takes inspiration they call it "art style theft." I've even heard of COLOR PALETTE THEFT. JFC these people think they own a color palette.
My dad used to always say that if you try to imitate someone's work but you start from scratch than you're outcome will always look different from theirs solely because you made it. I think that applies to people covering the same topics and seeing each others work.
there's an amazing book called "steal like an artist" by austin mckleon that explains how all this works. it's true, and it's the reason why people who call others out for "theft" like this are ALWAYS suspect, ironically enough.
He’s right, but if the thieves are only interested in being “first past the post” it won’t matter if your stuff is better, it won’t be cared about. Especially in attention based societies like the United States, economic priorities are placed on getting to market first and plagiarists base their actions on this. In many ways a plagiarist making it to market ahead of the original can kill the opportunity of an original product and it’s exactly why the plagiarist does it.
Both the paper rip and the highlight feature has been used for decades before youtube was a thing. I remember doing those effects in highschool for the yearbook. In 2005😂
Your comment about not watching other creators who make similar content or avoiding making videos on topics already covered by others is so true for me too. I’m so fearful of it - in fact, I got into a bad habit of obsessively searching topics before I covered them to deliberately avoid the same talking points even if I independently thought of them because people can still draw the same conclusion on media. But the reality is, a quick google search will yield countless results covering the same exact thing, mainly because there’s only so many ways to tell a factual story. What’s important is how you tell it in your authentic voice and acknowledging the sources you genuinely did read/watch.
As an academic historian, not only are you expected to keep up with what your peers are saying on any subject you're studying, but also be able to position yourself with where you agree and disagree with them. Standardised methods of citation avoid accusations of plagiarism.
Seriously Kinda unrelated but I had a anthropology prof who clearly hadn’t stepped foot in a biology class in 20 years He embarrassed himself so many times in front of any student that wasn’t a first year Man did not know the definition of a behavior
Agree! I don't get the whole "not wanting to be influenced by other creators" thing. You need to know what other people think so you can have a productive discourse. I've graded a lot of student writing, and I've given at least decent grades to students who had just as high a word count in quotes and paraphrases in their writing as original prose, but they CITED IT and DID SOMETHING WITH IT. Doesn't need to be complicated - just say who did it instead of stealing to make yourself look smarter. It blows my mind how people find this concept difficult.
i love the fact that her hastily “defending” her editor by making a passive aggressive tweet lead to things like her reddit alt account _(which she used to pass as a autistic black woman 😭😭)_ being leaked with actual online logs even tho she tried to clear the acc yesterday
She has a history of being passive aggressive toward other creators. And she doesn't even try to address people directly--she either shades them in podcasts, tweets, or somewhere else 🤡
What is odd to me is that she didn't apologize to the editor who she put on blast initially, only to legal eagle who is the one who actually has a notable platform. Apologies like those (only directed to the wronged people who actually have power) are red flags to me
@CGY I actually saw your video first, so some of the views you've been getting is from the algorithm! I then followed a link in your comment section to Nerdstalgic's apology for stealing from ComicTropes. I took the time to shit on them since I learned that you're at least the 3rd creator they've done this to. Turns out I was subscribed to them, so I fixed that mistake. Then, the algorithm brought me here! The silver lining is that your channel has seen some excellent growth because of this. I've only seen your "Nerdstalgic stole my video" video so far, but it was really well done, so I subscribed. Hopefully this fiasco can serve to Kickstart an explosion for you on the platform! I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
It's pretty wild that she not only accused Legal Eagle's editor of plagarism for such basic edits but also that she was so quick to air that out in public. She really thought people were going to be on her side for this one...
It seemed weird to me that during Hbomberguy's video, I felt like I already knew a lot of the culprits involved were thieves. Then I remembered it was because of this video. Nice work
Not all of them obviously, Internet Historian would've slipped into the ether if not for Kat Lo randomly seeing the original post from one of his (presumably former) fans on r/youtubedrama and bringing it to Hbomb mid-production.
When I had a mere 15 dubs on a paranormal psychology channel, I got into a conversation with someone whose name stuck in my head because we had an interesting talk. Well, i turned out he was a channel with 2.5 million subs, he went t MY channel, watched my stuff and then plagiarised two of my videos word for word. What stung MORE was he even used my jokes and puns and his comments section were praising him for his research and humour. I just deleted the channel out of rage.
I find it truly hilarious how that one moment has just completely destroyed everything for her. All she had to do was just ignore one email now her views are halfed she's lost almost 100k subs and torched her social career her reddit and is being sued by someone she screwed over lol
@@EmeraldCityVideoyeah the only way this can get dumber for her is to attempt a lawsuit with a clearly losing battle with one on a situation where practically everyone thinking she made some stupid moves lately
Man, this kinda thing makes me so sad, not just because of people stealing other's work... But because Sideways, a great music youtuber, just stopped posting after some other youtuber did a piece for a big internet publication. How many small youtubers just ended great content without most of us even knowing? :/
I was wondering why he hadn’t posted in such a long time and when I read your comment, I looked it up. He posted about it on Patreon and explained that people had been plagiarizing his stuff, and even academics-specifically someone at a conference-presented his idea/video as their own. If literal professors, who are making their students abide by their institution’s academic dishonesty policy, plagiarize and then refuse to give credit/acknowledge it, I’d probably quit too. My heart goes out to him.
Shoot, that makes me so hecking sad, I didn't realize what happened because I don't pay close attention to upload schedules. His video on cats was so good that not only made me realize that the underfunded, kneecapped CGI was the least of the movies problems, he also managed to help help articulate why I liked the original musical in the first place, which is something I used to be unable to do.
If I had a nickel for every time that iilluminaughtii got called out by a beautiful bald bearded bisexual, I'd have 2 nickels. Which is not a lot but its weird how it happened twice.
I said it before, but I'll say it again: I've tried to like Illuminaughti. She does research on subjects I'm really interested in! But every time I watched it I was always... Disappointed? Like, I was given tons of evidence, but I never really felt like it came together. I always felt like I was reading an essay with no thesis. There was no point. It was always "look how bad this thing is!" With no talk about what was or SHOULD be done to change it.
She’s a tabloid content farm, she just focuses on corporations instead of celebrity or RU-vid gossip If you know a little bit on a topic it becomes obvious how she plays fast and loose with facts, and is sloppy with her presentation, to say nothing of some really cringy pivots to ads and self promotion
Yeah,THAT'S her problem,she doesn't show any critical thinking skills and doesnt make a reflection on her "essay" like other actually good video essayst do, she doesn't state any interesting opinion or solution like you said, she just quotes quotes and quotes articles
Yeah a lot of it is over dramatzing stuff that just does need it this horrific thing that the person did was just so terrible it makes me want to throw on and on
They should definitely care more about plagiarism between creators. And while we're at it, they should also put the burden of proof of copyright infringement on the big companies instead of automatically siding with them and putting the burden of proof of fair use on the creators. Not that that would ever happen...
RU-vid literally cant do that for legal reasons. Copyright law is just woefully unequipped to deal with the modern world (and any attempt to change copyright law would get hijacked by corporate lobbying and make things even worse)
Also youtube implementing something like that would probably end up with the reasons it was implemented this way in the first place, the big companies would just go the traditional way aka copyright lawsuits, and only a few if any content creators could win that. There's a really interesting tom Scott video about why content Id works the way it does.
"You're not seeing all the cool things I'm doing with my arms!" he said, causing me to jog away from the pile of laundry to rewind the video on my desktop and check.
I feel like the people who are deeply passionate about their creative interests are the ones who gate-keep the least. The same thing happens in the art community. People who illegally use assets, trace other artworks, etc., tend to be the most aggressive when it comes to "this is mine" attitudes. (That and like, 12 year olds, but, you know, that makes sense, they're 12.)
It's a pattern with these types of people, it's all about the optics. They cheat their way to the top, then aggressively protect what is "theirs" as a means of controlling the narrative. Attacking first will make it look like they are in the right, because normal people wouldn't accuse others out of nowhere with no receipts. Having a big, cult-like fanbase will only help them further in the narrative control, until they become so delusional in the echo-chamber that they inevitably do something that will explode in their face.
I'm happy to see another person point out the art community. It is wild how much in-fighting there is between us and people trying to hoard assets that are out there, the creator specifically having them free to use. Changing one or two settings on the brush doesn't make it a whole new thing that'll ruin you if you share either.
I make stuff. Sewing, jewelry, dollhouse miniatures, etc. I made something yesterday and took photos of each stage and am sharing them on Facebook in a group centered around how to make stuff. I also shared them on my personal page because I am SO HAPPY and proud to have thought of the thing I did, and I want to help other people do the same thing or adapt it into something else of their own! Decades ago before the internet I wrote articles on how to sew stuff for newsletters. Techniques are everything. The actual stuff I make - mostly no one else wants that specific thing. I very much believe that copying/stealing WHAT you make is a different issue. But HOW to do it is CULTURE. It’s how our whole damn species got where we are.
The example that jumps to mind in music is Led Zeppelin, who basically plagiarized huge chunks of their early catalog from American bluesmen, but mashed them up and retitled the pieces to claim they were original to Zep, and hounded anyone who "stole" their music, and zealously protected their copyrights.
this!! i write fanworks online, im extremely dedicated and have written 185k words in less than 4 months, and one of my closest friends is beginning to write for the same franchise and gets worried that their interpretations are too close to mine. and its like. no!! thats completely fine! im happy you like how i do things enough that it influences your own view of the media!! these are not my headcanons they are our headcanons, lol. most other artists/writers i know are like this. creativity and joy are meant to be shared, i do not own them
Oh yes, that glorious era of RU-vid when either running a TTS and reading Reddit posts, or reading them yourself i.e. SorrowTV was enough to get a channel hundreds of thousands of subs in months
I remember her reacting to DnD and enjoyed it. Then found out she makes documentaries now, wasn't big on it first but enjoyed it. Shame it went down this way.
I really hoped you'd talk about the Sideways situation, I've not seen RU-vid plagiarism go as far as that before. Someone with a wholly unique idea, getting it stolen by a famous publication (Vox) and given an award for the plagiarised content, leading to Sideways calling them out, getting harassed for doing it and putting his channel on a long pause (still to this day).... Truly outrageous
I used to love Illuminaughti. But I stopped watching her as much when a video by Cruel World Happy Mind revealed Blair's manipulation of her. Haven't been able to enjoy Illuminaughti the same way since :(
Totally agree. Maddie was way too nice imo. Blair used to make good content about MLMs now she’s pumping out too much, quantity doesn’t equal quality, she needs to take a break or several
@@SuraimuWasTaken, yep... Went to look it up again when this new stupidity started, too. She should definitely ReUpLoad it now, or make it public again. Bet it'd cause her channel to grow extremely well.
iiluminaughty pressured Madison to delete the video, people like Tipster covered it as it went down. basically illuminaughty made a very similar video to what Madison poster some time earlier, Madison sent her a dm and iiluminaughty ignored her. then she went on the Welsh twins' podcast and lied about everything 💀 Madison decided to talk about it on a video and after talking to illuminaughty, she ended up removing it since they "made up". tbh back then there was hardly any criticism on illuminaughty so i bet she wanted the video gone... and also back them Madison had like 60k subs, iluminaughty was already massive
I never saw that controversy but I stopped when she did a sponsorship with Upstart and when her discord called her out for promoting dangerous private loans/loan sharks she basically shrugged it off and said she did her research and it seemed legit to her (note: it was not difficult at the time to find info about upstart not being very good) I was in her discord at the time and when someone said that they could do a GoFundMe or something to buy her out of the Upstart contract (which is a really bizarre offer imo, but from what I see her audience is a bit like that anyways lol) she just said she would stick out the contract and not take another one, not because she took people seriously about them being loan sharks, but because clearly people were up in arms about it.
I follow a lot of Elden Ring lore channels, and a common thing done in those circles to really acknowledge the adjacentness of the subject matter will be that they just straight up shout them out in their video. If they came across a piece of information in one of their videos in the process of making their own video, they'll feature that information and just say they referenced it from that video and credit them. It's kind of just something you have to do as a community, similar as it is to not gatekeep editing techniques, information itself is meant to be shared. Just because it's something said in one creator's video, doesn't mean they have rights or exclusivity to it. There's a degree of courtesy of course, you may reach out to them to ask or tell them that you're referencing their video, and I'm sure most mature content creators are happy to have that interaction and subtle collaboration. Those are the kinds of things that grow communities and provides a lot of interconnectivity in fanbases.
It might be a bit of an exaggerated comparison, but that's basically how scientific papers work. Everybody's just referencing each other's work all the time and double checking to make sure that each other's information is correct. It would make sense if online content creation would operate in a similar way, but because media has a weird relationship with references due to copyright stuff, it's a bit difficult to actually do that sometimes.
That sounds very similar to the legend of Zelda community. They always reference eachother and constantly Collab. Its nice to see them even work with channels smaller than them selves.
This happens in the horror movie podcasting sphere as well. If I or my co-host listen to another pod on a movie we're covering, and find a cool interpretation we want to bring up, we'll straight up be like "So I was listening to this pod and they said this thing, and I thought it was interesting, what do you guys think?" I've heard other pods reference us in the same way (well, once I heard another pod we're friendly with us reference our analysis haha) -- felt good to get the shout-out.
@@pennyforyourthots I don't think that's too exaggerated. It's more casual in the online media sphere, since most of this is low-stakes whereas scientific papers are THE source of everything and accuracy is so damn important with a lot more significance. BUT it's the same basic idea: when you get a piece of information from someone, just say "this is where I got this."
So I too found Blair’s channel somewhere in the past 2-3 years and binged it like crazy. I started to fall off when I got tired of them because I burned myself out, but the nail in the coffin was a weird moment when some commenter or DM’er said something about her she didn’t like so she effectively doxxed them- account name, profile picture- maybe a handle on something? I don’t fully remember- using her platform to dunk on the person and encourage her audience to point and laugh if not outright go tell them how she felt. It took way too long for her to delete it and she barely gave a short half apology and I realized she’s just one of many drama/investigation type channels, I’m gonna choose to watch the ones that know better than to fall into the mistakes the companies they roast do. Seems like things might just be at the tip of the iceberg for her, upon googling lmao
She also has this annoying habit of using this mocking tone towards people who might possibly disagree with her, as if obviously their opinion is wrong. Its really grating and comes off very unprofessional, something I've put in the comments. She's been using it more and more, it seems, and about the dumbest topics too.
@@mechengr1731 yeah I watched as much of her little “apology” video as I could stomach and it was PAINFUL. I don’t get why people like her think making a fake apology video shoveling blame onto others or trying to point out conspiracy theory-level mistakes in other people’s arguments will work. I’ve watched enough drama videos to know the difference between calling a bad person out and trying to hide your own and boy, hers was terrible.
I used to be a movie editor for a small media company. During my college years (audio and visual specialist) we were told to look at how other editors did it. Our homework was to look at movies, analyze them, when do they make the cuts, how did they do the color corrections, how well did they do the continuity between shots, etc. etc. You learn from others. The most Important lesson we were told was "Keep in touch with your classmates, in case you ever need to know how to do something or otherwise use their knowledge and skills". Yeah you all work for different companies or have you own, but most editors share knowledge and tricks all the time. Also, I'm gonna burst her bubble, but her editors have it all from videocopilot, every editor has at one point in their lives used videocopilot to learn about after effects and used it in their movies, we are all videocopilot copycats! There I said it, the big vide editor secret is out!
Honestly, given what’s going on with One Topic, Oz Media, The Click and others, it seems like Illuminaughti is maybe kinda sorta a bit manipulative. /s People she’s worked with have mentioned that they’ve felt pressured by her to take her side, she seems to run smear campaigns against old friends rather than speak to them personally about issues, she seems to have a bad habit of misconstruing discord snapshots or leaving out important parts of conversations, and there’s straight up photo receipts of her creating an alt account and using it to harass other content creators as well as paying one of her people to dig up dirt on one of her old friends. The Click, who used do Sad Milk with her, has a whole video about it and it seems kinda damning.
Okay fair, just wanna be clear that, yes, she’s being very manipulative. I’m autistic and bad at reading tone so I’m not sure my initial sarcasm came through. Don’t want anyone to think I legit believe she’s only a “little” manipulative.
I don't see why it needs to be further addressed and judged from a viewer standpoint when she said sorry and now click is being a buncake about it and you're being a buncake about it... to be honest... I think you just manipulate the viewers into thinking its right to take a side and now it's just becoming this big stink about yet another drama on youtube. Bravo you have bored me, moving on.
The Variant/Wikipedia thing reminds me of an old comic strip. (Don't remember which, though) A teacher calls a kid to his (or maybe her) desk. Teacher: This report you turned in is directly copied from the wikipedia page. Student: How do you know I didn't write the wikipedia page?
@@rdear How is it plagiarism to use your own work? I've never heard the term "plagiarism" to refer to that, and, while I do see there's a subsection of the Wikipedia page about plagiarism that discusses self-plagiarism, it indicates that self-plagiarism is really only a problem in cases where a work is being recycled for use in a situation that depends on the work being new (such as a TV show trying to recycle parts of previous episodes for a new episode while advertising that the new episode is entirely original and novel). When it comes to a school report, does the novelty matter? In my mind, the important thing in that situation is that the student demonstrates an understanding of the concepts being taught, and for that purpose, it doesn't matter if the student has expressed that understanding elsewhere in the past.
@@thunder____ Say you had a student who had to repeat a module in college. If they resubmit a report they produced in the previous year, should that be considered plagiarism?
Given how she also thought that Legal Eagle of all channels was plagiarizing or using an editing method she believes is hers, I'm not even surprised to see this drama has gone even further.
It’s kinda weird, dontcha think? She might not be Einstein, but the woman is no dummy. She HAD to know the claim was bogus…..right? Right? I keep thinking the reason this blew up in her face is because she went after a content creator bigger than she is, instead on going after someone with a (comparatively) small channel. She went after someone she couldn’t bully. But then I thought, even if he were a small creator, let’s say a teeny-TINY creator, he’s still a LAWYER. A COPYRIGHT lawyer. A copyright lawyer who passed one of the hardest bars in the country (California). That still comes off as a dumb move. I just don’t get it. ::shrug::
The sheer audacity of accusing a lawyer of the most flimsy thing imaginable makes it really obvious when it comes out she’s done a lot of other awful stuff. She’s just now finally stepped on the toes of someone who can take it.
@@GrumpyOldFart2 you can't apply logic here, is the issue. she didn't know it was bogus, she genuinely thought she had a case because she's full of herself and paranoid. it's a pretty big sign of a crappy person when they start accusing people of theft who haven't stolen anything. usually it means they themselves steal, so they should probably dig into her history.
@@GrumpyOldFart2 She likes to stir up drama, she recently got caught "calling out" some other creator for, "not doing anything about the pedophiles in his discord server," the actual context is it was one guy who got banned immediately by the mods he hired explicitly to do that, while the creator was asleep because time zones exist and it was 2 AM where he was at the time.
The fact that Blair thought she had ground to stand on at all when accusing an actual lawyer of plagiarism for an editing style will never not be hilarious. There is now a picture of her next to the definition of hubris
I like YMS's video about the Kimba controversy, and his take on how you shouldn't jump to accusations of plagiarism when the similarities can reasonably be chalked up to coincidence or explained as common tropes and even brought an example with a dispute between MGM and Warner Bros with very similar shorts called "Rhapsody Rabbit" and "Cat Concerto"
When people use the same sources that inspire them things will seem similar. It seems like it's a way to drum up outrage clicks tbh. Gotta wonder if when these things happen what her numbers look like.
a long time ago there was this pretty big brazilian youtuber that got called out by a bunch of american youtubers, because most of her content was literally just translating their videos and presenting them as her own. It was a huge deal at the time and she disappeared off the internet for a while. It's crazy to me that big youtubers keep doing this not expecting to be called out
I think it's because a lot of RU-vidrs are successful with it. If you steal from a small enough channel, who is going to listen to them? They don't have the subscriber base to spread the word, and the bigger thief channel has a fanbase that will defend them. By the time they start to feel the impact of their misdeeds (if they ever do) they'll have made their money.
@@zelamorre1126 She stole from Mother's Basement, one of the biggest (and probably from other smaller channels too). Satty probably thought the language barrier would make the plagiarism go unnoticed.
It's amazing how many big history channels read straight from the wiki. They'll start talking about something from the Sengoku Period or whatever and you pull up the wiki so you can have a handy timeline for context, and there's the script verbatim in the top paragraph.
HI graphic design student here, the editor reaching out for advice on how to do an edit is something we were highly encouraged to do with our other students when we saw them do something we liked during my class on adobe after effects, homeboy’s doing something that i was lead to believe is completely normal? Creatives help each other out damn it dont gate keep!!
There are content farms like that sitting at the top of every niche. It's a big problem for new talents. They kill 3 birds with one stone when they rip off small creators (plural cause they do it to multiple channels) : #1- They get fresh new perspectives and ideas on things #2 They smother talent at the root because by the time the audience of that niche discovers the new creator, all of their videos feel like Deja Vu # 3 They potentially eliminate their competition if after it happens repeatedly the small creator gets frustrated and decide to quit making content altogether.
I find it interesting about the nerdstalgic thing because I would watch their videos and sometimes I would be like wait didnt I watch this already, and this happened frequently and never could put my finger on it till now.
I haven't watched this video yet, added it to my watch later. But on the topic of Nerdstalgic, I generally feel mixed on their channel. I was there from when they uploaded their first video and when they started I remember enjoying each and every one they posted but I'd gradually fall off. Years later and I can barely sit through one, not sure if it was a decline in quality or simply my tastes changing. Maybe this video will explain a bit why, just think it's a bit interesting
@@ewetwentythree same tho, after he came back full time is when it became a content farm ig bc i remember thinking shortly after the videos were way more clickbait compared to the old ones
I remember when he announced he'd be stepping down from narrating/editing to be writing the scripts and researching for the videos, only for that to amount to him just stealing other people's videos instead of making something original
‘ I’m fully aware that there’s a large portion of people who aren’t physically watching right now’ hahaha I smiled from the other room while I was cleaning my bathroom
There’s another case that was very popular here in Brazil when it was unfolded. A popular Brazilian anime youtuber, Satty, was called out for basically stealing videos from an American anime youtuber, Mothers Basement. She was able to do it for years because most of her audience was Brazilian, while most of his audience was American, so the viewers rarely overlapped.
Interesting I'm from Argentina and have known and watched Mother's basement. So do you mean she copied his script but make it in Portuguese or took his style to? I've seen similar stuff happen with Spanish youtubers basically making something they listen on tv making it like it was their own work when a simple citation would have sufficed.
@@mrpurple11 She only took his script and translated it. Same jokes and everything. And she didn’t even put some effort into it, his videos had interesting editing, clever cutaways and stuff, while her videos were just regular vlogs.
The funny thing to me though is that years ago Legal Eagle made his own bogus plagiarism accusation against Matpat of Game Theory, although at least that one had more substance than Illuminaughti's. They did retract and apologize in the end.
@@clumsyninja925 The point is to call people out for being literal hounds sniffing for blood and feasting on others to sustain themselves. What was the point of yours? To speak from your ass? 🤣
Surprised that illuminaughti made those kinds of accusations so baselessly, I haven't watched her in some time but I used to watch her quite a bit and still occasionally do. Edit: after finishing the section on her it seems like it would take a significant amount of reactionary behavior to say and do the things she's done when she's more vulnerable to the accusations (especially when accusing an actual lawyer) ig it just goes to show, people who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.
Great video! Glad you made it. The writer who wrote the video that I felt Nerdstalgic plagiarized from my channel DID finally reach out to me. They seem very earnest in their claims that the similarities in our script premises were a coincidence, and I am reluctantly inclined to believe them. When Nerdstalgic posted the video initially, they used an IDENTICAL title to mine, and a VERY similar thumbnail. But it appears as though the platforming team at Nerdstalgic makes their own titling and thumbnail decisions separate from the scriptwriters. But it is very obvious WHY I, and other viewers, felt that their video was clearly derived from mine. They even changed the title and thumbnail because of the similarities, which felt like an admission of guilt. And now with the channel's history of more clear cut plagiarism, a recurring problem, it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt. Ultimately, my channel is doing very well and the similar videos put out by Nerdstalgic don't affect me nearly as much as some others. The far more important thing is justice for these much smaller channels, like CGY, who truly deserve more recognition and exposure for their work.
Hey Johnny, all those plagarism cases were all by a freelancer by Dave Baker right?, i do feel Nerdstalgic's appologies are hollow at best, after that ComicTropes one they did they "said" to stive better,,,,,,
@@skeven0 The person who wrote the video similar to mine was somebody else, but Baker I believe was the one who wrote both the ComicTropes and CGY ripoffs.
A few years ago I made a video essay (my very first one) about Jet Li & the Matrix that started to get some traction but then a big content farming RU-vid channel basically ripped off the majority of my script and my conclusions, and other channels followed suit… and looking at the timeline it seemed to have siphoned a ton of potential views. It was demoralizing and I haven’t posted another video essay since, but i have too many ideas just hanging around so I’m thinking of getting back in the game!
I may be naive but I had NO idea how much work it takes to create a highlight effect and now feel bad for taking it and all sorts of other effects for granted. Like I paid it no mind until now. Sending a big thank you to all the video creators out there!
About the effects, it isn't even an editor exclusive thing. In my legal tech class, we had a lesson on ppt presentations and were told to use 3D highlighter effect, iilluminaughtii's argument has more holes than Swiss cheese lol
Funny story I meet Arris (Variant) when I was driving for Uber 5 or 6 years ago in LA area. At that time I was really getting into comic book stories and watching a ton of RU-vid videos on comics. I had subscribed to Nerdsync, Variant , and a few other comic book RU-vidrs. I remember I had just watched one of Nerdsync videos that day before picking up Arris (Variant). This is important to the story. Arris with his wife and friends (friends who were RU-vidr too). Got in my Uber car. In my head I was fanboy and geeking out, because they started talking about comics in my car. Trying to be professional as possible I asked if they were RU-vidr. They said yes and asked if I knew them. I said yeah but in my excitement I had a brain fart. I called Arris Nerdsync lol. I could hear the disappointment in the whole car. Arris was a good sport about it and said ‘that is a close guess’. Realizing the mistake I made I quickly said I mean Variant! which turned to a cheer for getting it right! Yeah it was not my finest moment but was really happy to see them and they were really nice people. Gave me a tip
"quick to protect my team" is almost always a lie. I have seen that happen too often. Act miserably, make an apology while trying to cement yourself as the person looking out for others.
It's always nice to have subtitles available day 1 that are hand written. If you brought behind the frame back after 9 years, then comic misconception still has a pulse...
when i did my master degree in editing we would literally sit with each other in the editing rooms so we could see how each other edits. i learnt more about editing from doing that with people than i learnt in lectures. idk why blair feels the need to gatekeep instead of helping others learn
As I commented on illuminaughti's "apology" video, a lot of this BS is a symptom of people these days feeling the need to conduct their private affairs and disputes over the _very public_ forum of social media, in front of everyone. And making accusations in public is not a good idea. Private messages still exist, and are there for a reason. Another part of the reason is that no one ever seems to give anyone the benefit of the doubt anymore, and automatically assumes the worst possible motives for anything anyone else says, always wanting to group people into very puritanical, black and white "Good or Evil" categories. And yet _another_ part is the over-zealousness of certain people on social media to be the first person to call out others for any kind of perceived "wrongdoing;" there are entire mobs of Twitter piranha who seem to do nothing but troll people's accounts searching for anything "wrong" that they can attack people for, and then spreading it as far and wide as possible. They seriously seem to perversely get off on it others' suffering like that. Combine all of these factors and you get this whole situation.
Crab mentality is certainly well-ingrained in society nowadays. You just need to look at politics and then follow the shitstain trickling down to the smallest unit of the community. You can add the "where there's smoke there's fire" mentality there too.
I'd personally recommend against posting critical comments on Illuminaughti's videos, partially because the RU-vid algorithm likes comments and therefore commenting on her videos supports her career (when, in this case, her career involves being incredibly toxic and therefore is a career not worth supporting) and partially because it's apparently a waste of time; from what I've heard from other commenters on other videos, she apparently obsessively watches over her comments, because any comment criticizing her at all gets deleted very quickly, so I would venture to guess your comment is no longer there and probably got read by extremely few people. That said, I definitely agree. I'm guilty of jumping to conclusions myself at times; it can be so easy to think you know the entire story when you've only heard one side, and, while syntactical stylings are becoming commonplace as replacements for a lot of the nuance that gets lost when we try to condense the complexity of speech into a written form (such as using "lol" to soften your tone when you're worried a statement might come across as excessively harsh or negative, or "/sarcasm" to denote that the preceding statement was sarcastic), those conventions are still very new and not nearly as universal even within a given language as the conventions of speech, so there's a lot of room for misunderstandings that could so easily be cleared up literally in a matter of seconds in a face-to-face conversation, but back-and-forth is just a little more onerous over a written form like texting or DM'ing, and I think just enough so that it prevents a lot of the kinds of clarifications that could defuse situations. Like, the style plagiarism accusation against one of Legal Eagle's editors: while imo it was already pretty clear that the editor asking for friendly advice was literally just asking for friendly advice, my guess is that if that exchange had happened in person or over a voice call, even someone so apparently paranoid as Blair probably would've been able to tell from the tone that it was a "hey can I get your help on this?" rather than a "hey I'm gonna steal this from you one way or another, so you might as well just give it up to save me the time" like it was interpreted, and even if Blair still got the impression that it was the latter, I think she would've been more likely to clarify on the spot. I can totally imagine her taking an aggressively confrontational tone with her attempt to clarify, and that could still be an upsetting reaction for the editor asking for help, but that probably still would've cleared it up on the spot rather than blowing up the way it did. But maybe I'm giving Blair too much BOTD here. Maybe she still would've blown the story up the way she did, she really doesn't seem to give a damn about being right, just about being perceived as right. I can't remember if I actually read a screenshot of Cruel World Happy Mind's DM to her a couple years ago (I think I did), but my understanding is that CWHM was specifically non-confrontational and non-accusatory, and Blair still went on a podcast throwing false shade about it. But even if Blair would still be excessively reactive about that kind of thing, I'm sure different people have different motivations for their toxic social media behaviors and some (I'm guessing most) of the people who do troll Twitter feeds, etc looking for dirt would probably be way more chill about things if they could just have real, spoken conversations with the people they feel have wronged them.
I've heard the same criticism of rap artists, especially the women, cuz before they'd, as the culture was (and it was seen as way more respectful), just put it in a song and have an overly produced rap battles, essentially, then move on after a max of three songs on both sides or so. Afterwards, they'd hug, apologize, and hang out again after a couple to a few months. I feel like the more talking to each other behind closed doors, get group therapy of some kind, etc, then everything would be way better and less messy for the direct parties involved and the fans, family, etc that are impacted by these actions and words. I'm sure she's going to be okay, as in see her actions and words, then move on, but she needs to do it properly and privately first, wait for the dust to settle behind closed doors, then come back and do a quick joint follow up with everyone involved, to hold accountability, and it'll be set.
@@thunder____ I totally understand your point, and my actual comment was non-judgemental, and I said that I didn't know the details and it wasn't any of our places to be involved in the personal disputes she was talking about. I have been a regular viewer of Legal Eagle for a few years, but had only come across Blair's videos about a year ago and started watching her regularly when this crap started, and I first found out about it on the "apology" video because I absolutely refuse to take part in Twitter or any of the other social platforms like it, because they all actively promote such adolescent drama and divisiveness to drive up their traffic and profits. And it is all at the expense of the mental and emotional well-being of the users to engage in such public drama that should have remained private.
I dont blame her for making that info public since she only did in response to some serious allegations being brought up against her. There's a difference between starting drama and responding to it. Regardless of anyone's opinion of her, it's completely unfair to look down on her for releasing private info when she only did so to defend herself against a barrage of hate and accusations.
I might have inadvertently plagiarized you on my channel. As soon as I saw you bring back a long-lapsed “Behind the Frame” my immediate reaction was “oh no, I hope he doesn’t think my ‘Between the Frames’ series is ripping him off.” Then I remembered that I run a stop motion animation and action figure hobby channel, so it’s unlikely anyone would ever confuse the two.
I wouldn't be worried but I definitely understand your thought process. Like he said yall are just a bunch of editors sharing editing like helpful people should. Have a great day. 😁
@@kitten-whisperer haha thanks…I’m not expecting a huge crossover audience between my stuff and this video, but maybe someone might be like “stop motion and action figures? Don’t mind if I do!”
Calling a series about animation and especially stop motion Between the Frames is actually so clever. I know it’s going to pop into my head a couple more times today
I "love" how it's super important for youtube to have a copyright system where big music publishers (that typically have more than enough money to pursue copyright infringement on their own with their legal teams) can claim the income and even take down a video of someone playing a cover of a song they own but big youtubers can plagiarize other smaller channels with impunity and the platform doesn't dip their toes in that. Remember that next time they say they care about their creators.
The smaller creators could send a DMCA takedown request. That would get the content taken down immediately, and they would only have to go to court if the big creator disputes the claim. However, YouTibe's internal Content ID system generally doesn't respond to big creators plagiarising scripts from small creators because it's more difficult to automate compared with detecting the use of music.
About that anti-MLM statement Blair made That was a big part of a previous drama she was a part of where she was accused of stealing/plagiarizing another person's video.
Loved the video. As a “writer” who is crippled by the concept ““derivative vs straight up plagiarism”” (yes, I have the two classics… depression and anxiety) and MOREOVER *cough* the idea that even if I were to produce something wholly original and entertaining, people would still come for my head because their motivations are not necessarily ethical or moralistic (the bloodthirsty mob mentality blah blah blah), *gets lost in sauce for solid minute* I GET WHERE YOU’Re COMING FROM. Wow! Thas a lotta crap about me jus’ ta say “you make good videos. Keep it up, kid” 👍
All art is a conversation. Tell the stories you like in the way that feels the most like you-that’s the most original thing you can do. Also the people who advise you to make art for yourself and the three weirdos you know will enjoy it are absolutely right.
I love that you ended up defining art in this video, the idea of taking bits and pieces from everything you've experienced... the problem is, whenever art turns into a business, all of these issues get in the way pretty rapidly
If you look at the response Legal Eagle editor’s was getting after his friendly inquiry in her discord, even a total stranger like me can tell that he stepped into a very tense toxic environment the way people were snapping with defensive tones. As if they have been conditioned to be on the defence and on the attack even at the most polite innocent request.
It’s like we’ve seen with Trump-there are idiot who will attack anyone who doesn’t live to praise their beloved dear leader, as if they’re’ in a contest to be the best, most loyal fan ever.
Academic writing is fairly easy for me. So I've helped friends doing higher education complete assignments. I don't study with them, all the info comes from them, I just help reach word count, reduce to word count, do referencing, etc. These days higher education (at least in Australia) requires you to put your assignment through a plagarism checker. This can freak some students out. And I have often explained to a friend that all academic writing has the work of others in it. Add it being an assignment from a large course, where a lot of students use the same texts, etc and your assignment not having a decent persentage of repeated content would be a red flag. Another example of that fear of being accused of plagarism affecting people's output.
When Nerdstalgic isn't plagiarizing, he's basically using chatgpt to make his scripts. His stuff is very low hanging fruit material lately. It took me a while, but the recent "Why Do All Superheroes Need Secret Identities?" video had me come to that realization. Paraphrasing the Kill Bill "Clark Kent is the mask" scene im like- dude, you know nothing of superman
I feel like this goes without saying: plagiarism is far more than taking a single effect and using it in your own way. Plagiarism involves copying so much of a work, uncredited, that it reasonably gets confused as someone else’s work. I’ve often thought about making RU-vid videos in the style of other creators I admire. I’m decent with imitating voices, and speech patterns, and I’ve thought it fun to do a video where all I’m doing is talking about a topic in the style of a bunch of creators. I’d have to copy music, editing style, voices and cadences, writing style, etc, but it would be a neat appreciation project if I ever became good enough for that. Uncredited, if I did an entire video like that, especially using the exact same script as one of those creators, it could EASILY be mistaken as someone else’s content. But using a single, commonly used, effect? No way. That’s not plagiarism under any stretch of definition.
I'm a video editor myself and I think that editing techniques should be shared so that everyone can develop their own style. I was inspired to get into editing from videos that I watched here on RU-vid and wanted to try my own hand at it.... and I absolutely fell in love with editing. I don't understand why there are people that are so 'protective' about how they edit and keep things secretive as a result... (Side note: Hopefully that makes sense... I'm writing this at like 4 am and I haven't slept yet... so I'm a BIT sleep deprived lol)
i had high school film teacher who always stressed the idea of “stealing like an artist” and being able to point out your inspiration and how it infuriated your work. was really helpful
7:00 truth be told I think I only look at about 25% of the videos I "watch" on youtube. Tangent, I've really noticed that 3-4 seconds of silence usually means the editor has either put in a title card signifying the change of topics or there's a visual gag I'm not going to put in the effort to see.
You’re absolutely right about her videos being great for listening to in the background. They aren’t super visually interesting so it’s odd that you’d talk about “plagiarizing” a style of editing.
If you were to actually watch them, you’d see how often what she says and what’s on the screen, text-wise, are fundamentally different. She can’t be bothered to get anything right anymore.
made up fact you mean. Eddie would literally get bored playing thre hardest parts in ecistence and wonder around. Saw him do it in tbe 80s. Also he taught peiple his tricks. His single most famous piece is harmonics. Which Anyone can do. And he never claimed to invent it ir that it was hard. He was a jerk but not this jerk
@@cdreid9999 The version I heard is that it was specifically Eruption he would play with his back to the crowd, and he only did that for a short time. Basically nobody was using that tapping technique at the time so he wanted credit for "inventing" (or at least popularizing) it first on record. After the debut came out he stopped doing that. Obviously I wasn't physically there watching them play small clubs before getting famous so I can't 1000% corroborate it with my own eyes, but that's a much more believable version of the story. Van Halen were showmen, they were entertainers and EVH himself loved to show off. If there's any reason a notorious egomaniac showoff would hide his skill, it's absolutely because they just discovered something rad and wanted to ensure that nobody was able to replicate it and put it on record before them.
This isn't illuminaughti's first rodeo either. She even bullied Madison (Cruel World Happy Mind), a smaller creator that time. Watching how upset Madison was (and M is such a nice person too) in her now-deleted video talking about what happened made me hate blair all the more. And the stuff that comes out of blair's mouth during podcasts is just gross (criticizing and lambasting other people). She's such a toxic person. The time I stopped watching her content was when she posted another mlm video and went on a strange tirade about something (I forget what it was), and she just sounded so mean, draining, whiny, and self-centered--like people who love to chase drama.
Ok, a little history lesson.... The same thing that happened with your Ant-Man video happened with Legal Eagle and MatPat awhile back. Legal Eagle wrongly accused MatPat of copying one of his videos. I don't think he ever apologized.
Hey man, I just wanted to say that I really appreciate you and your work. I hope you have a good day and the voice in your head isn't giving you grief I know how rough that can be.
It's so funny watching this again with hindsight now after Harris' video. Realising that Blair went after Legal Eagle so hard when assuming that they were plagiarising her style, when she was openly plagiarising content the whole time. Massive projection energy right there.
I just wanted to point out that her channel was always about bringing drama to the forefront, and apparently, she went the superhero route of "if there's no trouble in the world for me to address" I'll create some trouble so I can be in the spot-light again"
As a college educator, plagiarism isn't always about using quotations and citing the source. It's a ratio of your own ideas versus how many quotes you are using to create your concept. For instance, I've had students turn in a 7500-word essay, and over 4,000 of those words are cited "properly" using quotes. Because the majority of the words are not those of the student, it becomes more of the concept of the one's being quoted and cited, therefore the definition of plagiarism. Based on the amount of quoting per video without counting words, IF more of the words used in her quoted text are more than her own original words then it's absolutely 100% plagiarism. There is no way to tell by using a small clip example as she did in her video but it certainly can be proven very easily either way by looking at how many sources were used per video and the amount of verbiage versus her own words.
I haven’t seen this anywhere but it doesn’t mean someone hasn’t mentioned it before and I just missed it. Illuminaughti got her start by reading Reddit posts, her most popular being from r/MLM. Now as you said at the end, even though she was just reading someone else’s posts I liked it because she seemed to find a way to find the best posts on there, and I didn’t want to read Reddit myself. I liked listening to someone else read it to me. But to me, getting upset that someone covers the same topic as you or edits similarly to you when you got your start reading other people’s posts on Reddit seems a little self-righteous. I am not trying to discount the content she made when she was a Reddit RU-vidr. It still took time and effort. I just find it silly for her to react this way when I don’t think anyone accused her of plagiarism when she just read people’s Reddit posts verbatim. Technically I did watch her when she first started her long form content but I stopped when she did this same thing to Cruel World Happy Mind.
This is very funny to me. I found you through youtube recommending your video about that quote from the scooby doo movie about color seasons, i watched it and was like "between the choice of topic, overly rigorous research, and (mostly) visual appearance, this guy kinda reminds me of HBomberGuy. lets see if he's made any other videos that look interesting" and you've made a video about plagiarism on youtube specifically calling out illuminaughty. 6 months before hbomberguy did his video about plagiarism on youtube specifically calling out illuminaughty. just. incredible. *chef's kiss*
what gets me is that illuminaughti thought the email and discord messages were points against the legaleagle editor. People who plagiarize don't inform you ahead of time that they're going to plagiarize.
Hey Scott! Another reason you shouldn't be afaid to make a video about a topic someone else might have covered is you have your own audience! I follow you and havent heard about any of these other people (except LegalEagle) So you are not only keeping me informed but I value your opinions above others😊. Never be afraid to scream into the wind. Even if its hard to tell we hear you and we appreciate all you do.
You have to wonder how many of the bigger channels are just efficient thieves. By stealing from a lot of smaller channels, they can make videos faster, which would give them an edge in the algorithm while also giving them the recognizable name and a fanbase willing to defend them.
Having a teeny tiny RU-vid channel with my best friend, I often over think about what creators I want to allude.. but I rarely think about what type of "Artists" I want to be. This was a helpful! A look into your process and mentality, and I appreciate it! Thank you!
I’m very glad you called out Nerdstalgic. Even without the plagiarism, which doesn’t surprise me, their content seems very low-quality and badly researched. I mean, their multi-part comprehensive history of Batman video misses a LOT of incarnations.
This video has everything: thoughtful analysis, a look back at the channel's history, facts, anecdotes, buckets of context and when you think that's all - Sparta comes in and steals the show. 😸
I always go to Sondheim during my times of trouble. I studied music in undergrad, and I find the complexity of his music; keeps my mind busy, ON TOP of the deep complex meanings and rhymes interwoven so beautifully throughout every score. It really helps me in stressful times when my mind is going 1 million miles an hour, haha. Watched so many videos on this, but I really enjoy your insight, glad I found your channel!
So this definitely stings. I was one of the two co-editors of the blog Retro Thing. We had a really nice space talking about vintage stuff, and over time we saw some modest success. It was thrilling to see our stuff quoted in major blogs, but they started quoting more and more of our posts. It killed our traffic and our ad revenue. When we would talk to these major blogs (if you could find a human) about this, they’d get all huffy saying that they were offering us “link love” and we should be grateful. Renaming “theft” as “love” doesn’t make it any better. Eventually this killed our project. What was especially galling is that the offending blogs would talk about the opportunity they were offering us - untrue - and that we should work harder to enrich their platform. Eventually we’d get our reward. What a cynical exploitative way to think. Sad thing is that I see this kind of thinking in many other spheres of my work life continuing today. Plagiarism will live on as long as there are easy bucks to be made. And AI feels like a tool to help disguise that. 🤷♂️
feels absolutely wild to me, as someone who works in 3D modeling where one of my favourite things is seeing the clever ways people do things, and being able to share my techniques.
I remember when nerdstalgic was a brand new channel and it blew up out of no where and it was ran by just one guy at the point I'm pretty sure, he then after getting big decided he was going to make a movie , and was really into it like he was going all in, I don't know how that movie went or if it even finished but after that point his video would constantly have different narrator's and it seemed more like a team doing stuff now and the quality seemed to drop drastically
