Love the idea rob but unfortunately that display and controller is so cheap and crap for a bike that’s costing £8500 needs more wow / bling The DJI bike you tested the other day blows this out the water 110nm and an 800watt battery even the standard Shimano is better I love my decoy but unfortunately yt have not convinced me to buy a new and improved decoy.
I have not seen any footage or test of the Amflow bike. The DJI motor has interesting specs, but we neither know how it holds up nor do we know how the bike works on trails. so far it's the definition of a "Paper-Tiger", looking stron and huge on paper without any connection to the real life.
While I love the look and geometry of the bike, I personally think it comes to late to the market. This especially after the latest introductions of the newest light full power motors and tech. But if others like it and look especially for that type of bike = perfect.
I have a 2020 Decoy. I ws excited when I saw this announcement, but im totally underwhelmed. This is equivalent to the Santa Cruz fazua powered emtb that came out nearly two years ago. We're now getting full powered motors (ZF being the most exciting) at 20kg bike weights PLUS we are getting gear boxes. Whilst I love my current decoy, when I come to replace it in a acouple of years time I will be spending 7-9 k on something that is full powered, at 20kg with a gear box Most of us want to ride further and faster and longer. The Pinion gearbox is a proper disruptor to the market. The ZF motor is not quite as disruptive, but it's close. The first direct to market brand that pairs these two innovations will clean up. My money will stay in the bank...come on YT get with the game!
Orbea RS801 Rise owners are wreaping the benifit of the lightweight ebike thing, but now are able to factory upgrade the software up to a full 85n/m rating.....the Fazua motor is going in the other direction
This looks like a direct competitor with the Transition Relay, but not thought out as well. The fixed battery gives the bike a more sleek look, but the removable battery makes the Relay much more practical. The ability to carry 2 batteries to the trails makes the SL bikes much more usable and gives the rider the option to keep it in turbo without worrying about running out of power too quickly. The Relay can be run as a mullet or full 29r. The Relay can be run 160/160,170/170 or a combination of the two travel lengths. The carbon Relay is $1000 cheaper than the cheapest option on the YT, and the Alloy Relay is $3000 cheaper than the cheapest YT option. It seems to me like YT just decided to make a more expensive and less useful version of the Relay.
Weren't your prices wrong also? And many dont like the relay. The battery rattles and it's heavy and it doesn't ride that great. Overall I would say the relay is a fail. Watch the pinbike review
This is a pretty great bike. Wish YT would put this design/effort into a lightweight EMTB. Essentially the IZZO with 34mm forks and 29r and sub 16.5kg. A true Trail all rounder.
If it and the ZF pan out, they will obsolete many other motors. We need to wait and see, but both companies and significant pedigrees for electric motors.
That DJI motor is really interesting! But it is - with the smaller 600 wh battery - a bit over a kilo heavier than the fazua system. So all the weight savings of the DJI bike plus aprox 1 kg are due to lighter parts and a lighter frame which - if you ride hard - you don't want. I have a light emtb at 18,5 kg and I whish it was a kg heavier in exchange for a stiffer frame 😅
This bike would have been incredible if released last year, but honestly the bikes and new motor tech seen at the EuroBike show this year, make me want to wait and see.....
If after more then 4 years of decoy (think it was launched in 2019 or such) they waited with current lineup for another year they could have implemented a new bike with a system up to date. This bike, with fazua motor and this weight is already old before launching it. I see if the have launched this with zf or even better dji it could have been one of the most advanced and desiderable bike in the market. Like this, with the current price and the low relabilty and poor implementation of fazua system is something that is not so much appealing
This might be the trend presently, to attract/convert some MTBikers into ebike. After buying one of this light ebikes, and go for a ride on a full power ebikes, they'll think twice if it was a good or bad option going for light
Cool stuff, but not that impressed with the power and battery. I feel like in 2025 motors and batteries are going to the next gen. After 85NM and 750w bosch cx line on my rail i dont see myself going to anything less than 85 NM. Next gen bike will be 85nm and around 750-900 W at lesser 18-19 weight. I love YT, ridden decoy core 4 before, but for me the stats aint that impressive. The looks of the bike is impressive though.
Thanks, I'll wait for a couple of years, then I can maybe look at a full power and full range ebike that has an equally compact and light motor and battery. The rate of development is now accelerating because the manufacturers are (finally) under pressure. They've run out of people who will just pay high prices for average gear.
The boys are late to the party! We are very excited about the new motors DJI, ZF, Pinion. This is old news, sorry to disappoint, but now we can have lighter bikes with bigger motors and torque than this one...
Hi Rob! I would love a tierlist or recap video of these long travel eMTB’s. Since Pole went tits up, im struggling to find something equally good. Plush, long travel and good pedaling platform for longer rides.
The Fazua system on my heckler left me stranded in the woods twice. Once with no power, which was fine i pedaled out like any other bike. And another time 4 miles deep down in the middle of no where when the gears or clutch in the motor broke. That sucked because i couldnt even spin the pedals, nothing would engage the wheel and drivetrain. On top of those two events with the motor, the ring controller broke on my Heckler twice, both from debris getting stuck in there.... Im not impressed with that bike mainly beacuse of the motor system. Power and range may be competitive, but reliablity and month long wait times for warranty claims are rubbish.
It would make sense if this was released 18 months ago with the Transition Relay and Pivot Shuttle LT. Today, with all the latest tech announced at Eurobike, I think they are simply too late for this to interest anyone but the biggest YT-fans. (I'm a "fan" / previous owner myself, but this does nothing for me)
Very nice bike one of the better looking ones 👌🏻👌🏻 but honestly I think these lightweight e bikes are a waste of time ... There's nothing wrong with a 24/26kg bike plus the frames last alot longer in my experience 👀👀
I have a ghost with the same motor and it is so quiet compared to the Bosch CX, which wines going up and rattles going down. Haven't ridden the Bosch SX though., I find the power delivery is smoother too. You can customize the power levels and I can get about 1500 vertical meters out of a charge.
How can it be, that Fazua is still using the same shitty remote for nearly 2 years now, although everyone is complaining about it and it would be nearly no effort to improve it?
Spot on, not to forget the REX missing for 2(?) years now. Hopefully it’s at least gen 2 motor as gen 1 was buggy as hell. I liked my Shuttle SL for riding, the tech was max beta stadium
@@johannesm7841 Interesting. Any links? I considered a Fazua 60 based bike but would not commit to purchase because of the control points and lack of range extender.
@@johannesm7841let’s see. A riding buddy has been at eurobike as well. The info he got from Fazua was, that the Rex will be available mid next year. I am not going anymore after beta editions therefore this is not for me. It looks nice but there is plenty competition in this price range
This is exactly why I didn't purchase a Fazua bike nearly a year ago. My plan was to wait until they brought one out for the longer rides. The fact they haven't speaks volumes. Expect to see Fazua either die as a company or produce something with more power and the facility for more range.
As cool as the bike might be you just can't unsee the new ZF motor with the same if not smaller footprint and full power between that and the DJI they kind of ruined it for all the other new bikes
What does "fixed" battery actually mean? If the battery for whatever reason has an issue do I have to wait for an entire new frame? Or when the capacity of the battery decreases?
You can remove it, but you need to remove (unscrew) the motor first (you can drag it out from the bottom), so it's no problem if you need to replace it, but it's too inconvenient to do it every day for charging, so you usually charge it inside the bike directly (means you need a socket near to your bike or you use a power station)
I thought they'd introduce something like a mid power, lightweight xc or trail e-bike. Another Enduro bike is unexciting when their lineup is already covered up with big travel bikes.
As a Heckler SL owner, and having had 2 replacement motors put in, I still love the bike, however the ring controller is just shit, feels cheap, Fazua really need to release an alloy version or a button system that feels more tactile.
You have to jump into the market at some point and venture with advancements in the horizon, but one must feel this is a generation behind even without thinking about ZF and DJI. A Bosch CX motor would have been much better. Unfortunately this one looks DOA at that price point and with tech from a few years ago.
Not sure who is buying these high priced Ebikes, I recently bought a brand new Cannondale Moterra 3 for 48 percent off the original and ridiculous price of 6800, got it for 3600. Add in the fact that brands like Trek have a 7 year supply of bikes in their warehouses and it's lights out for most of the brands.
I ride the Pivot Shuttle SL with this same motor system. Every reviewer of a FAZUA Ride 60 bike makes a big stink about how flimsy or weak the controller is. Im on my 3rd season with it and haven’t had a single issue with the controller.
Rob you have started to ride both uphill and downhill with the seat post slammed. Why? It looks ridiculous having your knees pumping higher than your hips.
Evening rob I test rod this bike yesterday 29/9/24 I have a decoy already and I thought I would give it a try. Well where do I start The ride. downhill was great it turned in so well and I felt super fast the T type transmission was flourless The maven brakes flourless But unfortunately the table must turn. The fazua motor uphill felt ok the 12s super boost was frustrating the mode switch absolutely toilet and the display super poor. unfortunately if I’m spending £8500 I would like some more bells and whistles I managed 17.5 miles around the surrey hills. What I thought was pretty good. I would say I had to put in 10-15% more effort over my full fat bike but saving 5kg in weight Yt may lose money on this one being to greedy maybe? Would like to see a ride review to see what others say in the comments By the why DJI have thrown a massive spanner in the mix
I don’t know why people complain about the FAZUA Ride 60 motor, especially if you have never ridden one. I have the Transition Relay (aluminum) with over 300 miles on it in 3 months with zero issues. The motor is amazing and I couldn’t imagine wanting anything more powerful. I ride it in mostly the medium setting (river) and only go in turbo (rocket) on really steep climbs and only after I been ridding a couple of hours.
When it's still not possible to add optional power extension to the bike... it's not enduro. Sometimes I wanna ride a whole day, not just for two hours at full steam. Mondraker dune is still the only lt power ride that fits "enduro". Buying two power packs gets you a full day if you wanna do it.
With new competitors like DJI and ZF entering the mid-motor market, Fazua really needs to step up their game.There's no excuse for such a crappy display in 2024.
Love the comments this is an Enduro bike this means the bike goes down its purpose is to go down hill everything about the bike is down hill there is no need for DJI or whatever plus non of the euro bike motors are proven at anything down hill you don't need more the. What they put into the bike. My complaint is the price for any motor it's nuts it's way to much ....
Enough! NONE of this stuff is worth more than 7K and 60nm isn't going to cut it anymore. Give us MGU and 85nm....chains need to go away in E-MTB field.
meh. i can tell Rob isn’t too impress. i’ll wait in until those two smaller but powerful motor gets here in the states and hopefully priced where most of us can afford it
Where is the bash protection??????? WTF? Why is it so hard to provide protection for the motor and the chain? Bike looks great but it is unrideable where I ride ....total fail
I think a lot of you are forgetting that a 60nm motor will crank you up a hill no problem. I dont understand why everyone wants more than 85NM. That's significantly more torque than a lot of fast 600cc race motorcycles. 60nm is about equivalent to the torque on a 600cc street bike.
Try one, come back later. 60Nm is fine... if you all your riding budies are on equivalent bikes. Otherwise.... is almost riding with Bikes (those without any assist).
@@here4therides Yeah, but he would have no chance against a >85nm full fat emtb, its a totally different thing, I have some friends with SL bikes but they can't be in our group rides because they can't keep up, even if many of them are much fitter than some of the peope riding full fats.
@@Echoes- sounds like you and I are looking at ebikes in very different ways. I'm looking for a shuttle to get up a big climb so I can smash on the way down after Im tired from doing pedal laps first. Also as a recovery system so i dont have to stop riding.
@@here4therides Yeah I guess you are the niche market this is aimed for. I don't get the appeal because my full fat are like only 2 kg heavier than this, but with 40% more power, and with 75% bigger battery. And If I really want to get a work out, I just run it in ECO or Trail mode and still have much longer range than this as a bonus. But to each his own.
That thing makes no sense to me... half power, half battery, as heavy as any other new full power emtb and for YT standards insanely expensive... who buys this bike!?
So, a puny motor with sketchy reliability and a small battery.... It looks like it's going to be rendered obsolete before it's even hit the shelves by the launch of the Amflow.
There are better options for less money. Love YT, but they are late to the game and releasing a bike at this price point with this motor/battery spec is disappointing.
I have a hekler sl with this terrible motor and controller. Im on my 3rd motor and 2nd controller. The bikes barely 6 months old. The frame display is so dated compared to spesh and trek. My friends gen2 levo sl is far far superior and even feels more powerful.
YT has that 'cool southern cali factor', but I have to say this thing is a total miss on every front. No removal battery. 2021 called and wants their pricing back. low powered heavy ebikes are not hot. I'm just left shaking my head. The only other fail that is larger is the horribly ugly new Marin coming out. "EDIT- Rob I can tell you didn't like this bike, just come out and say it, we count on you for honest reviews even if it means YT won't buy you drinks and dinner.
All people that say this looks like a Yeti are blind. There are no real similarities but two wheels, full suspension and that the first letter of the brands name is a Y. 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
Torque is not the figure we measure e-bikes by. We don’t measure anything but factory machinery in torque. Review is pretty bad and I didn’t even finish reading the description yet
@@Mockle07 thanks, i have heckler and nomad v6. I know market perfectly. “Look at the YT have positioning themself” at first, its direct sales, its not bootik brand. And lots more.
@@AloiziyBombel Less than Canyon’s top spec models and other “value” brands. The top spec Heckler and Nomad models are both WELL north of £10k… I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. I’d buy the one that is best on the trail and it sounds like the YT is better… oh well.
t No removable battery is a deal breaker. I don't want the weight of the battery at the bike park (although I could live with it at the park), and I 100% need to remove it to charge between stops on a road trip.
