This. There are tons of cards like vespenato, downerd, gaia, zoodiacs, celestine wagtail, and choco-ala-mode that get you extra mats for zeus. Trying to ban all of these just to preserve zeus is as demented as trying to ban every tuner to preserve fiber.
If Apollo and Baronne are ban-worthy, then Zeus and Accesscode are even more so. Generic field wipes and OTK machines from the extra deck shouldn't be as easy-to-summon as those two are. It's lame and kills the diversity of techs. Niche cards like Zeroboros and Black rose dragon could see more play otherwise
Zeus definitely needs to go. In perfect yugioh, field wipes have to be be so easily accessed and being double chainable. Things like blackrose can be coutnerplayed. Zeus sending and being twice plus power scaling on xyz material hoarding decks is too much for weaker formats.
Yeah. The issue with trying to bring his power level down with side-hits like Downerd is that it’s misleading. All that’ll do is increase the power of decks like Lyrilusc and Zoodiac, who can already layer materials under zeus without the extra help.
To me the biggest problem cards are floodgates, negates, and boardwipes. Zeus and Simorgh are good picks for me. I kind of like the pillar turtle, but that was just one instance.
Anyone who was playing MD at the very beginning knows how dominant Tribrigade is without the more powerful/more recent cards in the game. A little further on (I think it was Season 8 or 9), Bird Up was literally as common on the ladder as Eldlich Stun. Tribrigade and Lyrilusc are never going to be balanced archetypes, because whenever their optimal line gets stopped, they just drop into a 4+ Zeus and simplify, knowing the odds favor them there, due to all the 1-card starters in both archetypes.
For anyone looking, here is a list of every card we see the fish guy use in the first battle Main Deck: 3x Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth 1x Abyss Shark 1x Lifeless Leaffish 1x Right-Hand Shark 1x Silent Angler 1x Gluttonous Reptolphin Greethys 1x Fishborg Launcher 1x Testudo erat Numen 1x Beautunaful Princess 1x Fish Sonar 1x Foolish Burial 1x Ice Barrier --------- Extra Deck: 1x Swordsoul Supreme Sovereign - Chengying 1x Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier 1x Adamancipator Risen - Dragite 1x White Aura Monoceros 1x Deep Sea Prima Donna 1x Number 4: Stealth Kragen 1x Number 60: Dugares the Timeless 1x Marincess Coral Anemone 1x Eria the Water Charmer, Gentle
5:00 Sad part of this is that S-Force guy had a chance if he just summoned Edge and Gravitino in Extra Monster Zone columns, that way opponent couldn't summon Link 3 or higher and every lower Link would be banished, plus 2 pop to hand with S-Force trap...
New cards that should be added to the banlist (BANNED) Zeus Accesscode talker Chaos ruler Number F0 Utopia draco Simorg Kashtira Unicorn Runick field spell
Zeus is really the card that needs to be ban, even one activation can be totally devastating and even if you ban downer or Gaia zodiac is still a a problem and if that deck is the only one that can abuse it things are gonna get bad really bad. Another ban worthy card can be apex avian, simorg is ok without the barrier statues.
@@Kaos9696 I think it was used as a free generic negate in pendulum magicians back when that deck was tier 1. Since thats allready banned maybe theres another pendulum archetype that can use it, but yeah I think simorgh is the ban imo
Naaah, modern game is way past Dragoon at this point Maybe after a couple of episodes it would start to be a problem (not maybe, it would) but that would be fine still
@@alexanderthomas4425 It was BoDa playing in the tournament. I've made a few guides involving Coelacanth with Numen. BoDa may have been inspired by it.
Ban floodgates, ban negaters, ban board wipers, ban cards that facilitate stupid card advantage, and ban cards that do way too much in general that only exist to to push latest card sales
All Handtraps to one!! It sucks to have so many fun decks be unplayable! Also would force players to play more in archetype cards. FINALY it sucks how luck based md can feel. You can have a super consistent strat but if they have one nib or ash its just over for some archetypes. It turns into just getting lucky sometimes.
Rules of the tour is who ever gets 4 points which is 4 wins gets to the top 4 I already had 4 wins but 1 loss so I need 1 more win to just reach top 4 but I wasn’t fast enough
Idea’s for the perfect banlist: • Lyrilusc/ Tri-brigade deck type- Need I say more • Downerd Magician and all Zoodiac xyz’s - 2 material Zeus is fine as a resort to clearing the field (including ur own field) once just these cards under Zeus make him stupidly OP • Thunder Dragon Colossus - Similar to droll unable to add cards is annoying and can shut majority of deck types that search for their combo
For Lirilusc / Tri-Brigade, I think you only have to ban one, my pick would be tri brigade as that deck is probably good enough to dominate on its own tbh. Zeus should just go there are other alternatives to downerd and even 1 board wipe is unfair, theres a reason 2 xyz archetypes made it to the final. TBH colossus isn't good enough yet to warrant a ban, but as the power level lowers I can see it becoming a problem so I'm not against it going to future proof it.
Ban :Deep Sea King, and Chaos Ruler the Magical Dragon Chaos Ruler is a a generic level 8 Sychro with crazy advanatge and Deep Sea King started that crazy chain of events.
Rather than argue the merits with people who won’t listen, I’m going to ask a question. If you Ban Baronne and Chaos Ruler, how do you expect anyone to ever build a remotely competitive Synchro Deck ever again? Almost without exception, the degenerate things done with Baronne and Chaos Ruler are done in Decks that not only aren’t Synchro Decks, but one or both of those monsters are the only Synchro monsters in the EDs of those decks. It really sucks to see Synchro constantly shit on, because no one wants to admit that the real problem are the Decks that are only Teching Chaos Ruler/Baronne. Honestly, I wish both cards would be Errata’d to read they return to the ED during the End Phase of the turn they were summoned, if the owning player doesn’t control another Synchro Monster.
Zeus feels weird in "perfect yugioh". like just a generic board wipe that comes out of any xyz attack. run dark hole or lightning storm IMO. but i am a certified staple hater
Zeus is bannable and I don't know why it sticks around. It's the most generic Xyz Monster with a disproportionately powerful effect, and every Deck that runs Xyz runs a quick effect nondestructive field nuke that's devastating
I still see many cards not banned, like the whole tearlaments and runnick plus a lot of stupid ed cards. So is far from perfect ban list, and only banning what limits other degenerancy to run rampant.
Seeing these duels makes me sad that a bunch of other generic powerful cards still exist and floodgates existing. Personally, on top of reading these comments, I have to agree in banning AT LEAST these cards: 1)Divine Arsenal AA-Zeus: Sky Thunder - Just way to generic to summon with a bunch of mats that can easily wipe BOTH players fields, and despite that, the player using Zeus usually ends up with a better position considering it can activate multiple times + not once per chain, threatening boards with the surplus of materials it has. You guys banned Baronne cause it was a generic Level 10 Synchro, I think it's fair we can ban Zeus, a generic XYZ that is easy to summon with a powerful non-targetting, non-destruction, Not OPT+OPC board wipe. 2) Simorgh, Bird of Sovereignty OR Mist Valley Apex Avian - Targeting protection, special summons from the deck EVERY END PHASE and easy to summon on its deck. "Easy to summon" is not really the issue, but the targets for its special summon, which is really gonna be Mist Valley Apex Avian. I'm interested to see what other possible monsters can it summon for end-boards, if we delete Apex Avian on the choices, but if its get banned, that's understandable too. 3) Thunder Dragon Colossus - Easy-to-summon, "Link 1", floodgate that can protect itself. Itself being a floodgate should be a reason, and decks can easily run it with the Nemeses card by just doing their combos. 4) PSY-Framegear Gamma - Just a really good handtrap that can reward you greatly against other handtraps when you start your turn. A free body to synchro an 8 while negating a handtrap is just too good in my opinion. 5) Lyrilusc - Recital Starling - Soft OPT search and can easily set up the Lyrilusc combos that gives creation to the broken board we saw. That alone should not be a thing in a "Perfect Banlist", at all. If we're gonna ban generic board-wipes that going 2nd decks might use, then we should give Turn 1 players the tools to make insane boards that decides games. This statement also applies to Simorgh/Apex Avian that I said earlier. 6) Called-By the Grave - Maxx-C is not in this tournament and stops handtraps going first, dead on their tracks and going first players not hit by handtraps can set it and disrupt going 2nd player combos on top of their decent boards. It's too much and even lingers the negate for 2 turns, it should honestly go. 7) Kashtira Cards - I don't even know how they manage to get here. Unicorn is a reborn search + banishes extra deck facedown, Fenrir is a free +1, banish face-down disruption and insanely good first turn to eat handtraps for your combos. They should not be here, at all. Like I said, if this list was gonna ban generic extra deck tools, powerful main deck EASY TO SUMMON ones should be too. There could be some potential too like Accesscode but I think we should HAVE some generic bosses and not restrict all of them so turn 2 players can still fight back against some disruptions, but we also don't want to give them so much access to powerful ones. (Maybe Accesscode is insane, idk you tell, I don't disagree if you think it is). There's also Drident and Boarbow XYZs to ban, but if Zeus is gonna get ban, I think they're alright(?) or we can also ban Boarbow to make sure it has less mats. For limits and semi-limits, maybe we can hit: Some other Lyrilusc cards (people are saying some main deck ones like Berly Canary and Bird Call), some Tri-Brigade cards (Ban Fraktall on one suggestion even, Limit Nerval and Kerass). Also this kinda long now so yeah, just wanted to say my reasonings with it.
I was thinking about this, and as soon as I saw the Tri-Brigade match I think it's safe to say that it was definitely combo >>>> anything else. With that in mind, a possible Called By the Grave ban might make these decks Achilles heel shine
Leaving aside the Win the Handtrap Minigame argument for not banning Called By, there are A LOT of monsters with absolutely degenerate GY effects you’d be giving free reign to. It’s a Semi-Limited card that nearly every deck can play without issue, and (I believe) banning Called By creates at least as many problems as it solves. Edit: You’d also be biasing the game in favor of GY effects that D D Crow can’t disrupt.
Triple Tactics should definitely be on the banlist it feels absolutely awful to ash your opponent's big choke point play only for them to just draw 2 and draw into the combo piece anyway. If all pots are banned, TTT should be as well.
ban ash and gamma (so other more niche/interesting/non-generic hand traps get some limelight for once) so that weaker decks that cant afford hand traps (because their extenders suck) indirectly get buffed and ban zeus of course, too splashable for the amount of impact he has (especially in a comparatively lowered power-level format)
Take Rikka off the List, Limit Rikka Glamour, Aromaseraphy Jasmine. Ban Mudan, the Rikka Fairy and Naturia Bamboo Shoot. Also Think of I:P like Catwoman in DC, not part of the team, but will partner up with (and have sex with) Batman.
Ban: 1. Apex Avian 2. Zeus 3. Accesscode Talker 4. Thunder Dragon Colossus 5. Secret Village of the Spellcasters 6. Chaos Ruler 7. Evenly Matched Limit 1. All handtraps 2. Called by the grave
Man that Mekk Knight vs DDD duel made them look respectable up to the last play. Accesscode isn’t a broken card imo but it should be banned for being a boring card that every link deck ends on imo.
Zeus and Accesscode are too generic, and get in the way of using more unique options. Links still have Zeroboros and Bomber as a way of board wiping things, and most XYZ focused decks have their own boss monsters. There's also a bunch of XYZ engines that pull off varied levels of offensive and defensive play, like the Seven Sins package and the majority of the Rank 4 Pool.
I feel like they should be banned but with a added restriction where they are allowed in they're respective arctypes. Like accesscode is allowed but only in code talker deck
Feels like if you give the community the reins, each new episode will just reveal a new batch of archetypes that are lowkey broken but never got to shine because the meta decks were just a tiny bit better... resulting in more bans afterward, until only dark magician and egyptian god decks are left.
Yeah I think there don't need to be deck specific bans as there will always be top decks that people are crying to be banned, just ban the unhealthy stuff that makes for non games like floodgates and maxx c so at least games aren't decided by if you've drawn the out or not
I know I may sound crazy, but seeing the top, the matches and decklist I can see the problem... Like for beaver warrior been banned and make this more spicy 🔥🔥🔥
-either lax the "banned deck type cards to 4-5 and not 2 -or banned the problem card in the engine and not the entire engine banned deck types should be somewhere between 3-5 in the archtype. Most engines are 4-5 cards at least. At 2 you cant play any side engines. I think what makes yugioh fun is deck building, not *picking only stapes in your deck* 90% of those decktypes banned can even be little engines at 2, you jsut deleted them from even being seen at 2. Ban the problem card of the engine before deleted it from the game. Like, you dont like runic? ban the field spell and its not problematic. Same can be said for almost every one of those "banned deck-types".
Tbh, with Maxx C ban, I think it would be safe to ban CBTG. Just a generically good card in too many situations, not to mention it makes going first stronger. Also, Zeus and Colossus should definitely gtfo
Ban Zeus. Why does every XYZ get to turn into him? Especially the decks like purrely and zodiac abusing it. Broken. Like Zeus was summoned almost every game. That should tell you something.
yep,.this ban lists are regressive,.especially when people realized that not all decks are created equal. Some decks are meant to be created really strong and powerful from the get go,.this won't change anything and will be circling around from former top tier decks from before.
Ban Zeus it'd too easy to make, Simorgh it sets up boards that are too hard to break a little too easy with little effort. Unban Red Eyes Dragoon but ban Verte Anaconda, unban Tyrant Neptune but ban Lyraluis Independent Nightingale
givingpeople the option to ban entire archetypes was a mistake. Insteadof surgically removing the broken cards of archetypes and engines, this is the lazy way out. I say: unban every archetype and do an extra poll to select which 1-2 cards of each of them should be banned instead.
I just wanted to say I play with the Ninja deck and it's amazing. And I don't think they should band the pots. I'm ok with it the rest of them can go I never have problems with them and max is good to keep they don't need to band them but everything els should go
Aside from Link-3 Simorgh, the Tri-brigade mecahanic of summoning Link monsters without having materials on the field was already an issue. Ban Keras because it's a follow-up play that can summon itself. Also limit both Nervall and Fraktall. Nervall can search and 1 card Fraktall can fill in 3 cards in GY (Fraktall sends Kitt, Kitt sends Nervall, Nervall add a Tri-Brigade Monster) are way too powerful in perfect yugioh. Or better yet, just ban the deck and leave Tri-Brigade with only 2 copies of Kitt.
I propose the banning of The Winged Dragon of Ra Like with Halq, if we are banning so many cards because of a single card, it seems like there may be a problem.
all tearlaments girls and pearlereino to 1 it should allow at fusion engine without all the support from the traps/spells and without reinoheart a good starter and rank 4 extender is still removed. If it still doesn't do anything we could add more cards
