Yu-Gi-Oh player tries to understand MTG 🤣 featuring  

That would be epic lol

That is really smart, hope he listens

Alternatively: Miss, Fine, Goated. - The MFG rating for short or The Mesa Falcon Guy rating.

I prefer the good the bad and the busted

@@MC-ep8cuthats because you have no Humor.

I'm not to that part of the video yet but I'm assuming Questing Beast. The card that gains a new line of text every time you read it.

I'm here from cimo's channel with maybe 2 games of magic played. I have no clue what it could be.

​@@seangoldman6833must be just me cause ive remembered the text since the first day I sat down at FNM and slapped the Teferi control deck ❤

Fun fact! For all that text, Questing Beast is the 23rd most powerful card in that set. The better cards are: Bonecrusher Giant Brazen Borrower Castle Garenbrig Cauldron Familiar Dwarven Mine Edgewall Innkeeper Embercleave Emry, Lurker of the Loch Escape to the Wilds Fabled Passage Fires of Invention Gilded Goose Lovestruck Beast Lucky Clover Mystical Dispute Mystic Sanctuary Oko, Thief of Crowns Once Upon a Time Torbran, Thane of Red Fell Wicked Wolf Wishclaw Talisman Witch's Oven All of those cards either got banned in at least one format (which Questing Beast never did), saw more play in that standard format, or continue to see play in formats that Questing Beast sees either no or extremely fringe play in. This doesn't even include the Commander-only printings of Arcane Signet (Throne of Eldraine was the first printing of that card now ubiquitous in Commander decks), Tome of Legends, Kenrith, the Returned King, or Korvold, Fae-Cursed King. If you look at a card and it has the Throne of Eldraine set symbol on it, you know it's a good card.

I assume Questing beast

I hope you guys do more videos! These are my favorite type of videos!

Now I kinda feel sorry for you because you went easy on CGB in the ygo video. But hey, ygo is a hard game to understand and maybe that's the way to go.

That was seriously impressive work to begin with, especially from someone less familiar with Magic! To be fair, literally *everyone* missed that Fable of the Mirror-Breaker was going to be the Standard-warping multi-format all star it became. I hope you stick with Magic because this was a blast!

Fantastic analysis of the cards my man.

There's no extra turn card in Ygo... but you forgot about the All-Powerful "Skip your opponent's turn", Arcana Force XXI - ZA WARUDO!

To be fair, it's not technically "giving" you an extra turn, so much as it's "taking away" an opponent's turn. Though the end result is pretty much the same. Tomato, tomahto I guess.

@@Z-one1000 Trivia of the day, Time Walk's in-development text was "target player loses next turn" or "opponent loses next turn" or something like that, so the same idea as World. It was changed to be a more clear "take an extra turn" because some playtesters interpreted it as "opponent loses the game after their next turn".

​@@MrMarneli mean, that's a distinction without a difference

Theres a combo with amorphage ritual that's works as well skips both mainphases

@@xolotltolox7626 In Magic it would be different because there are formats with more than two players. I don't know enough about YuGiOh to understand why it couldn't be played with more than two people, but it seems it's just never done.

Sneak attack is ban in commander, he is not talking about legacy. But yes there is at 12 way to cheat it in play fast and easy

@@denistalbot1829 Sneak attack is in fact not banned in commander.

​@@denistalbot1829 Sneak Attack is not banned in Commander.

Shit ! I was sure it was. I've never questioned it and asume it was

@@denistalbot1829 RC moment lmao

What’s the origin on this, I missed the video(s) where this became a thing

@@TocaPlaysRori I think you should watch it, story is worth it Video is "Can A HS Player Guess If A Magic Card Saw Competitive Play?" at the 46:25 minute mark

@@TocaPlaysRori it's also revisited in this video

"Why are you showing me this"

Clearly wotc needs to hire some Yu-Gi-Oh players for playtesting.

​​@@chubzoidSo does Konami

Impressive that a player with zero experience caught this while Wizard's ENTIRE QA DEPARTMENT did not.

Which makes WotC's obvious mistake that much more embarrassing.

@@croak8575 I'd say it was more because they committed the cardinal sin of development, which is a last second change then sent to the printers. Things like skullclamp and Nadu both share that trait of a last second change. They went over that in an article about Nadu showing it before the change to it's current broken iteration.

There it is.

Again though, it's not Emrakul that is degenerate here, it's the lands that are busted. Whenever Emrakul is good it's always a symptom of another busted card(s) that without Emrakul would still be able to cheat in something 98% as good. It's just the best/most flashy finisher for degenerate combos.

@@soasertsusbecause it’s the best creature in the game

@@jamesmorseman3180 it is, AND it's completely unplayable without a degenerate combo that is completely broken agnostic of Emrakul being legal or not. If there's a combo in the format to consistently get 15 mana or cheat in an arbitrary permanent, there are basically infinite game winning things you can do with that other than Emrakul, she's just the cleanest and biggest. You would have to be a total fool to not find a way to win when you have 15 mana or any spell in the game reliably on turn 3. The actual culprits are Show and Tell, Sneak Attack, and Omniscience, absolutely degenerate cards that enable any number of degenerate things.

​@@soasertsusyou forgot shallow grave and goryo's vengeance. Don't forget that the original eldrazi titan's shuffle into deck ability triggers upon hitting the graveyard, so it can be responded to with instant speed effects.

Turn 2 is even possible with city of traitors

​@@cardshark38in commander you could do it turn 1, with island and manacrypt into show-telling omniscience Turn 0 with an impossible hand of : blue leyline, crypt, petal, show and tell, omniscience, emrakul

While not as soon as turn 3, you can also realiably get 15 mana in an elf tribal pretty soon (or at least 7 or 9 mana for a tooth and nail) The easiest i can think and can be done turn 4 (3 if we strech with a dark ritual in hand) would probably be Warren Soultrader+Pitless Plunderer+Gravecrawler, but honestly at that point you have infinite mana, i would prefer having an Exsanguinate than Emrakul in hand

​@@Russian_engineer_bmstuyou can even drop a one ring to continue pumping and drawing

@@pedroajax1 you can cast some kind of wheel next, it gets you more cards immediately and ruins other's mulligans.

But it is also not wrong to say "basically no" because this one takes a single mana to activate to stop that combo and it takes several turns to come out to make it unreliable. It is funny how right he was but also far off.

It's the best card ever You should search for it with Ponder!

I can't say her name if I'm not signing it. Thx remmy.

It's pretty managable to learn if you break it piece meal. Asmorano // mardica // daistina // culdacar.

The name is far to long there’s no room to put a cost Just pay 1 and discard? It's right there in the box

​@@garash2000 I say Asmora first. It flows much better for me. Asmora nomardica daistina culdacar.

Shuko, the en-Kor creatures (Nomads/Shaman/Outriders), and many other engines are lying under piles of dust waiting for some new payoff to make us all go back into our bulk boxes a-huntin' lol

@@firedrake110 Absolutely! That was another group of cards I had my eye on for the same reason.

@@firedrake110 i mean.... shuko has seen legacy play with the nomads and cephalid illusinist breakfast for years...

It sees play in legacy with a card called Cephallid illusionist in legacy which self-mills three whenever it is targeted, until you get narcomoebas which you can use to dread return thassa's oracle and win. It has been broken for a while, it just needed the right card in modern to combo with.

0 is just a very special number.

She's on the flavour text of Lightning Axe too!

Oh, the flavour *chef's kiss*

@@ThymeTwister She's also in the flavor text for Marble Gargoyle (MH2), Thrill of Possibility (DMU), and Sauté (UNH)

The reason she makes the creature deal damage is to itself is so they didn't have to write her name again on the card.

Also the reason it's the "creature deals 6 damage to itself" is actually because formatting being what it is, the alternative was "Asmowhatevermagaldicar deals six damage to target creature", which was too long! (Though the fact it's a flavor win did help)

It's basically a charm but with each effect applying over multiple turns, I immediately understood them despite being a Yu-Gi-Oh player, adventures on the other hand...

Not to be overwhelmed by a wall of text is kinda a requirement for a YGO player. Every single detail of words, sentences, paragraphs and even punctuations matters a lot in this game. For example, there is a difference between "if" and "when" in this game, as it dictates the order of effect activation (called Chain) and whether its activation is valid during an effect resolution sequence or not (like stacks in MTG but you cannot interact with a Chain when it resolves).

Mesa Falcon used with high alert

I was like "Is he really ignoring the effect who gives all your creatures the same effect?" and then "what if every creature has their own usage counter"?

If by "hit" you mean they designed some broken cards, sure, they did that.

@@lostalone9320 The concept is fun, that doesnt mean the execution was good 😜

😂

The majority of the 1-2 year long standard players (especially arena only players) don't understand the game at all.

Yes we are, but that has no relevance as to how broken Nadu is because while being babies, we're also very pedantic and Nadu is formatted in a way to absolutely break the game.

@leadpaintchips9461 Oh, I totally agree Nadu was a mistake and needed to eat a ban. Doesn't change the fact parts of our community, well, suck.

@@Akiram1445 TBH every community that I've been a part of has had that part, where the fun gets sucked out because of reasons.

In yugioh terms, it's not a HOPT 😅

@@Hanmacx To quote a glasses wearing ginger "Does it say you can't" 😜

To be fair, Wotc said it was a last minute change, so he may have put more thought into it during this video than they did.

@@memegohere_brrTo be extra fair, he also went into it knowing that the entire MtG community was talking about it, so he was extra predisposed to think something must be broken about it.

@@memegohere_brr Also to be fair you would expect experienced game designers to know thats a bad idea. There is no way Gavin Verhey let this through without a significant amount of corporate interference.

WITH A SWORD (Embercleave) IN IT'S MOUTHS TOO!!! My current Gruul Aggro deck has this and I love laughing all the way to the bank against one ring or fogs.

Lmao, LOTR would have been so much shorter if they just hired questing beast

This is why my mono-green deck has Questing Beast as its commander now. There will be no Teferi's Protections or One Rings here

🤔

@@chuckwagon3718 Magic and Yugioh are much closer than other card games, the video was also about banned cards which is much easier to judge since they are outliers compared to e.g: some random cards that were good in some past meta

Playing one card game gives you a very good general intuition

I would argue that yugioh and mtg seems to be very different compared to other card games since yugioh is one of the few card games that didn't took a ressource system magic style. Hiwever i don't know much about magic, i'm just curious

​@@prophetedubaroque5136 The similarity is in how the types of things that exsist in one game exsist in the other. The idea of combos and utility cards are nigh universal, the card types are similar, and aside from the idea of mana, nothing in magic wouldn't make sense in Yu-Gi-Oh! (With some permanent types being the exception).

Rarran isn't really that strong of a player and he didn't have any experience in other games before he started his crossover videos and trying other CCGs out series. While Cimo isn't a highly accomplished pro he certainly has more credentials than him. Also Hearthstone is a far simpler game than any paper TCG.

​@@MrMarnelbest analogy in that regard is that hearthstone is checkers, Magic is chess and yugioh is Marvel vs Capcom 3

​@@xolotltolox7626I love how its just universally accepted that Yugioh is the fighting game equivalent of card games lmao

@@xolotltolox7626Yugioh just has its costs hidden (deck space and will I actually have time to do this) and the format is eternal. Magic has this too, but it spells it out for the player with Mana and puts a numerical value to it. I guess it’s chess, but you have to kill all pieces, you determine your starting pieces and there locations in your two rows. Like if you want to play 10 queens you can.

@@MeanderingSlacker I think you're focusing on the wrong part 😅

And about Nadu, the cream of the top is that, essentially, it has "ward: your opponent draws a card/plays a land". So if you interact with it (and you have to, in order to not lose the game) you are also making your opponent get ahead of you.

He's a really good Yu-Gi-Oh player, and Yu-Gi-Oh actual card game not Duel links combos can get pretty complicated and you must read as a mf.if you don't read Yu-Gi-Oh cards and their full effects you are stuck as a mediocre player at best

It's mostly due to MTG and YGO have a lot of strong similarities as a game. It's like comparing Super Smash Bros with Multiversus. Functionally the same but have a few small difference with one big difference being resource system. The game speed is different because of that big change but other than that, the mechanic is pretty familiar. Examples: Piercing / trample, hexproof / protection from card destruction, deathtouch/ target and destroy, exile/banish, graveyard, mill strategy, burn strategy, graveyard strategy, revival strategies, discard cost. Very similar stuff.

It was printed as an answer to stuff. But that stuff was no longer in the format once it got released. It was a very good card with just with the first couple lines of text. I top 8ed multiple pptqs (preliminary pro tour qualifiers) with questing beast in my deck and almost rarely ever killed a planes walker with itn my opinion it was the best green creature at the time and maybe the best green card alltogether and the main reason to play green

@@laserred87 Because Green gets so much nothing otherwise. Frankly, I think hexproof and regenerate should start getting added at like...three times the current rate.

I was still playing a variant of turbo fog when this was printed, and although it didn't always come up, when it did I would usually just lose on the spot. I started to put more and more counters in my deck Until I just dropped the fogs and moved the concept to more normal control. All this to say that questing beast may have been a little late, but it was sure capable of doing it's job.

@@wallywinker2438 fog was still a deck but it wasn't nearly as oppressive as before. Wilderness reclamation was still legal when questing beast was printed. But it got banned like 4 or 5 months afterwards I believe which completely took a majority of the decks out of the format anyways. It was a great card with the first few lines of text. If the bottom 2 abilities ever came up it was just a bonus

I heard that the reason creatures do damage to themselves is because they didn't want to make Amsmo's ability reference the name again

​​@@iamnotcameronNow I am a Yu-Gi-Oh player so I don't know this for certain, but making the card text reference the name again seems exactly like something WotC would do

I was looking to see if anyone made this comment!

Yep. Royal Assassin used to be good. That was before the truly busted things got figured out. I still think the effect is good. A card like that printed in Standard could see play.

@@Roxlimn Royal Assassin was in standard from 10th Edition to M12 and was entirely unplayable. Soft bomb in draft though.

@@MrMarnel Type 2 in 2007 was one of the more powerful Standard formats. In a slower Standard format, a card like Royal Assassin could see play. That said, current Standard is 3 years, so that kind of format isn’t likely to rotate back in until they put back 2 year rotations and scale back the power creep a bit.

This might be a stupid question but I dont play magic and was curious about something regarding this card. The creatures have to tap to attack right? So theoretically can this assasin tap itself in response to kill that attacking creature mid attack at instant speed? Or can you only use effects like these on your own turn? Like I know you can use some creature effects during opponent's turn if you have the untapped lands to generate mana for it but do tap abilities also work like that or no?? Sorry if thats a silly question 😅

@@sammydray5919 not a silly question at all, and yes Royal Assassin was very hard to attack into for that very reason. It also shut down mana dorks (creatures that tap to produce mana), which were the only reliable way to ramp in the earliest days of MtG, as spells that searched up and put lands into play hadn't been printed yet. Removal-on-a-stick like Royal Assassin had to be answered quickly, or you were losing multiple creatures (and whatever removal spell you cast to kill it) to get rid of one card. The biggest drawback to this card today is the massive list of removal spells available now. If they printed this effect at 4 mana (let alone 3) in an artifact today, it would be played, probably extensively. I actively disagree with the notion put forth by the host that this is a bad card even in the modern day.

Wow, and you draw that consistently in your opening hand in commander for Emrakul to be a problem?! Well, your opponents should be checking the way you shuffle your library.

@@amonprassodia1428 Enough colorless ramp in a deck and ya, it's pretty consistent to get Emrakul out by turn 3-4. Having that drop at that point in time is a miserable experience for the table. An Eldrazi commander deck has enough fatties and colorless ramp in it that makes the deck consistent, especially after MH 3 dropped.

@@amonprassodia1428 As a virtue of being a colorless deck, you do not need to worry about color requirements as a perquisite for casting your spells, meaning your deck can greed by just putting tons and tons of artifact ramp and never having to worry about not having the colors to cast your spells, and untapping allows you to vomit more and more of your hand onto the board. There are more than enough fast mana sources in the game, including bad ones that you have virtually zero downside for putting into your deck, since your commander is the inherent pay off for doing so. I can think of a dozen or so pieces of good artifact ramp not mentioned that would absolutely see play in a potential Emrakul piloted deck (Grim and basalt monolith, thran dynamo, hedron archive ect.) , and 2-3 times that number of cards most decks would never be caught dead running bc they are just, bad draws outside of the early game, or just greedy and come out too late (Forsaken monument, ever flowing chalice, Astral Cornucopia). Also since your deck has such a high density of fast mana, you can skimp on lands cramming even more fast mana in, meaning the only lands you bother running are lands that help you go even faster, be they ancient tomb, eye of ugin, eldrazi temple, or city of traitors. And even if you open a bad hand that can't drop emerakul at lightning place, or that has no source of mana, you can just mulligan. Cedh decks routinely mulligan 3+ times due to the sheer speed of the format and how much they skimp on lands for cheap sources of fast mana. Its not about a specific combination of 7 that can get you there fast, but rather the ways in which you can accelerate your self using your fast mana to pay for the next one, and the ways in which all these sources of mana allow you to cut lands from your deck, meaning that every card you draw is even more likely to be able to accelerate you even further by skipping the 1 land per turn rule. Your reward is a card that is backbreaking at so many points. It can't be countered, easily outed or blocked reliably. Annihilator 6 early in the game often puts a player so far behind, and is often direct at the player who is in the best position to out either Emrakul or the player piloting it. The protection condition is often very very hard to get around either because you can't target it, or the Emrakul made you sac all your lands and now you cant out an indestructible, untargatable creature on 1-2 mana sources. Legacy, a format with access to more powerful options has to deal with Emrakul thanks to Omnitell using it as its primary threat, and that deck shows that a turn three or sometimes even 2 emrakul is virtually impossible to deal with. Often the way you win is killing the omniscience while they try to dig for their emrakrul, because once that spell hits the table there are very few outs in the first place, and most games of commander dont have access to those outs, either because tabernacle at pendrell vale commands a price tag in the thousands of dollars, or are banned, see Karakas. Also those silver bullets only really work in legacy where wastelands are at 4 and you can choke the omnitell player off of the mana to pay for tabernacle, or bounce it to hand with karakas and blow up the omniscience before they can cast it again, which even if Karakas was legal, wouldn't be a solution cause they can just cast it again with all their artifact mana. For a version of the Emrakrul deck that isnt banned, look at Kozilek the Great distortion, a deck on average runs 30+ ramp artifacts according to edhrec. Having played against that deck, its not uncommon to see the big guy on turns 3-5, and while their is a big leap from 10 to 15 mana, that deck also has to play far more interaction and threats than emrakrul, both because Kozilek lacks the blanket protections provided to Emrakul, but also because he isnt able to take out a 1/3 of the tables potential answers the turn he comes down the way Emrakul is. Its still a powerhouse deck, that is able to counter multiple threatening spells a turn cycle, but gives players much more time to fight back, and most importantly one that I dont think causes problems in the format. Also none of this accounts for the fact that there are in fact ways to give Emrakrul haste, meaning that before you even get a chance to cast colorless outs to her, the person piloting the deck could have completely eliminated one player, or more likely, taken out 2/3s of their opponents resources. Its banned and probably can never be unbanned, because while i doubt it would be fighting at Cedh tables, it would make any commander table that plays versus it into a lopsided game of archenemy, where the only way to beat it is to play decks that are even faster, aka, cedh decks

@@Robofan998 Wow, you seen to know a lot. Let's do this, give any deck list that can do just what you said. I'll put it on a simulator, and run 10 games, and then I'll see if it's really able to cast Emrakul consistently in turn 3 like CGB mocked about, or if even with a bunch of the strongest ramp cards, the sheer fact that you can only have 1 of each, basically destroys the consistency.

@@amonprassodia1428 At the bottom of this comment will be a decklist, but i wanted to respond to your comment about only having 1 of each destroying the consistency first. Yes, Edh is a singleton format, and you are only able to run 1 of each powerful card, but there are two things you didn't consider. 1: The decks game plan is 1 dimensional, generate enough mana for emrakrul, and cast her, which makes alot of your cards relatively inter changeable. Not totally interchangeable, sol ring and mana crypt are leaps and bounds better than eye of the ur golem for instance, but the game-plan of "cast emrakrul as fast as possible" means that for the most part, all you need to do is hit a critical mass of rocks that you can cast, rather than any specifically powerful card. 2: Magic, whether it be a game of commander or standard is really determined by who can reach their win condition first. Most decks run interaction and removal, not because it wins them the game, but because often times it slows the opponent down more than it slows you down. However, while this deck is vulnerable to removal of its ramp, once it reaches its end goal its virtually impossible to stop, which means that the goal of the deck and player is to fight through answers and still try to go as fast as possible, banking on the fact that your deck has far more cards that can ramp you, than your opponents have answers for your ramp. This is exasperated by the fact that edh as a format has gotten so dominated by decks that swarm the board or hit a critical mass of problematic permanents, that players have begun prioritizing mass removal over single target removal, but that comes at the expense of often costing alot more mana than its single target counterparts, and what single target removal is run is often flexible removal at the cost of again, being more expensive to cast, which makes it harder to cast and slows down your opponent alot more. An opponent spending 3 mana to destroy one of your cards is often rough, but it means that they say, didnt play their commander that turn, buying more time to ramp even more. Anyways the list: In my play testing most hands i kept were able to jam Emrakrul on turn 4 as opposed to 3, only able to hit 3 when drawing super well. While mulliganing down cards after your first free one is rough, its often better than a slow hand that leaves you stranded. I think the slowest hand I played was a turn 6, but im pretty sure if i had sequenced better i would have been able to play on turn 5. You are looking for hands that allow you to play out a critical mass of manarocks, and there were even times where i was able to get to your commander on 1-2 lands, even one hand where i had no lands after using crystal vein for 2 mana. For the record this is not how i would build most EDH decks, i think its far far to greedy and runs far to many bad cards for my tastes, but my point is that such a commander allows you to make these kinds of decisions because rather than be a risk, they become a consistency boost, to the point of it being format warping and bad for players. The list: 1 Ancient Tomb 1 Arch of Orazca 1 Astral Cornucopia 1 Basalt Monolith 1 Blinkmoth Urn 1 Buried Ruin 1 Chimil, the Inner Sun 1 Chromatic Orrery 1 City of Traitors 1 Clock of Omens 1 Cloud Key 1 Conduit Pylons 1 Crystal Vein 1 Decanter of Endless Water 1 Doubling Cube 1 Dreamstone Hedron 1 Ebony Fly 1 Eldrazi Temple 1 Empowered Autogenerator 1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 1 Everflowing Chalice 1 Expedition Map 1 Eye of Ugin 1 Fellwar Stone 1 Firemind Vessel 1 Fomori Vault 1 Forsaken Monument 1 Gemstone Caverns 1 Geode Golem 1 Gilded Lotus 1 Glaring Fleshraker 1 Grim Monolith 1 Guardian Idol 1 Guildless Commons 1 Hall of Tagsin 1 Hedron Archive 1 Hedron Crawler 1 Helm of Awakening 1 Horizon Stone 1 Howling Mine 1 Idol of False Gods 1 Inventors' Fair 1 Jeweled Lotus 1 Kozilek's Channeler 1 Lion's Eye Diamond 1 Liquimetal Torque 1 Lotus Bloom 1 Lotus Petal 1 Mage-Ring Network 1 Mana Crypt 1 Mana Vault 1 Manakin 1 Manifold Key 1 Metalworker 1 Mind Stone 1 Mind's Eye 1 Moonsilver Key 1 Mox Diamond 1 Mox Opal 1 Ornithopter of Paradise 1 Palladium Myr 1 Planar Bridge 1 Planar Nexus 1 Prismatic Lens 1 Pristine Talisman 1 Replicating Ring 1 Rings of Brighthearth 1 Scroll Rack 1 Sculpting Steel 1 Sisay's Ring 1 Skyclave Relic 1 Sol Ring 1 Sol Talisman 1 Sonic Screwdriver 1 Staff of Domination 1 Stonespeaker Crystal 1 The Immortal Sun 1 The Irencrag 1 The Mycosynth Gardens 1 The One Ring 1 Thespian's Stage 1 Thought Vessel 1 Thran Dynamo 1 Ugin's Labyrinth 1 Ugin, the Ineffable 1 Unstable Obelisk 1 Unwinding Clock 1 Ur-Golem's Eye 1 Urza's Cave 1 Urza's Mine 1 Urza's Saga 1 Urza's Tower 1 Urza's Workshop 1 Vesuva 1 Voltaic Construct 1 Voltaic Key 1 War Room 2 Wastes 1 Worn Powerstone

In regards to Arcana Force - The World, in a YGO setting true they would function exactly the same, however to a Magic player where 4 player commander games exist. One of these effects is so much better.

We are Magic players, tax fraud is our bread and butter!

THIS...and it was GLORIOUS, one of the most fun decks ive ever played

@@ddillonhr hell yeah it was sweet! Buddy of mine was playing it against his opponent who was on Esper Cawblade. Buddy is on the play, goes Forest and then casts a Joraga Treespeaker. Oppo responds with Mental Mistep, Buddy proceeds to put Treespeaker in his yard, oppo is feeling smug that he’s stunted Buddy’s mana development. Buddy casts Summoning Trap for free, flips over an Emrakul turn 1. Opponent scoops

IN a more powerful Kinnan deck turn 1 Emrakul can happen. Artifact land, mox opal, mana crypt, play kinnan off opal and land, tap crpyt for 3 play basalt monolith, make 15 mana cast Emrakul.

You still have space for a blue card and force of will for the perfect hand :)

Gets way easier by turn 3 haha

@@zacharyjledford I said budget! xD

@@Gravewhisper ya I wasn’t trying to contradict you, I was trying to add on how fast it would be in a stronger deck.

I think it would be a 15/15 experience

Mtg goldfish did that, it was pretty silly and stupid.

Also Emrakul is not that good of an Eldrazi Commander, the Kozilek's are far better. Thats not even counting Ulalek.

Also the Six Shinobi trap card

so the combo doesnt use arcana force alone, it also sets up the field spell so theres no rng and you can simply choose to turn skip, 2 problems, consistenly searching for it and the field spell is super difficult, the only deck thats been able to fairly consistently arcana combo is drytron, but again, why arcana combo using 2 ish cards and running bricks, when u can play 1 card combo decks that win just as fast and make unkillable boards with more interaction and running 20ish handtraps

You can't sac tokens, unfortunately. I don't know how much this would change in modern yugioh, but in speed duel it would be busted if it could

Tellarknight Ptolemaeus can do it too!

​​​@@cashcloakburmyAnd nobody ever remembers because summoning Azathot on the opposing turn with Ptolemaeus often achieves roughly the same thing at a way lower cost... what a world we live in.

He only plays arena, and if you count arena he MIGHT be technically right idk, but Modern is the most popular competitive format in the pro tours, irl, and on MTGI for sure and my favorite too

Showing Shuko on his screen was honestly hilarious

The world, the sixth Shinobi, that tellarknight xyz that was in the ban list, does Mischief of the time goddess counts? Also there is the trap card "gamble" which skips your own turn

Everytime i read Questing beast i swear more text is added to it

It's played in legacy and modern. Some even discussed getting a ban from legacy. It's not slow when you can t2 play this and in many cases t1 play it also 2 of them with enough mana is game

In standard, it's also one of very few cards that matched up favorably against another exceptional card, Invoke Despair. Three mana to blank a creature plus enchantment sac after you've made a treasure, and turn it into a turn five shock face cantrip.

@@cuttlefish6839 Did not know it saw legacy play, good to know apologies for still managing to underrate the card

It just do that Crap Good Busted (CGB)

Which is 1 emrakul

@@sapphiredraggytheflygon8521 Oh duh. You're right. I was about to go to bed when I typed this up lmao

There are other turn skip cards in YuGiOh as well, but they just aren't phrased as "take an extra turn after this one" so it might've not registered as being the same thing in Cimo's mind lol

Neko Mane King ?

Multiple competitive tops!

Bingo. Cimo was evaluating it from the idea of being the person playing Fable, not from playing against it, where you have to spend multiple cards to deal with it immediately, thus being down on card advantage AND tempo, or otherwise your opponent gets multiple turns of ramp, gets card selection and a really powerful utility creature.

Summons don't typically go on the chain in Yugioh. The best analogy for its abilities I can think of goes like this: "This card's summon cannot be negated. [some steep cost], reveal this card in your hand: special summon this card. This effect cannot be negated. When you activate the previous effect: skip your opponent's next turn, also you cannot attack with "Emrakul, Time-Tearing Eldrazi" (or however you want to fit the "Eldrazi" text in) this turn. This card is unnafected by other cards' effects, except "Eldrazi" cards and cards which were face-up on the field before the start of the current chain. When this card declares an attack: your opponent tributes 6 cards from hand and/or field. When this card is sent to the GY: shuffle all cards in your GY into the deck" If you have questions about the attack trigger, your opponent being able to tribute cards from hand is an analogy to them sacrificing lands, and it triggering on attack declaration, therefore causing a replay if its target dies, is a reference to flying/it being annoying to chump block. (edit - changed the attack trigger to what I intended to write, which tributes from hand instead of discarding)

@@delta3244 summons do not have to go on the chain for you to chain block 'em. the whole summon response window acts as a way to chain to the summon itself rather than the monster hitting the field, effectively treating the summon as a pseudo-"chain link 0" that your opponent can hit with a solemn or the like. and much like any other chain, once you've made your one attempt at negating the prior link, that's it. any further response is in response to that negate, and thus any negation effect would be negating that negate of course, this usually just means that if you tried to negate a summon and your opponent flips a negate for your negate, you now have to negate the negate for your negate, instead of just tossing another negate at the summon itself. with any legal yugioh cards, you still can't use all of that to "chain block" your summon, because the only thing that can activate in response to an attempted summon is summon negation, and while you _do_ have priority on fast effects if you're summoning on your turn ... it is a _little_ bit pointless to try and block your opponent from chaining a summon negate by _negating the summon of your own monster yourself,_ so it's not really all that relevant but, y'know. the damage step is another example of a game state where effects can be activated, but only _specific_ effects that correspond to stuff relevant to this very specific part of damage calculation. and effects that say they can activate during the damage step. explicit permission overrules those kinds of restrictions, and trigger effects set to go off at a specific timing are faster than any fast effects thanks to segoc. and under segoc, mandatory effects of the turn player are _the_ fastest to go on the chain, so when a player slaps down a monster with text something like "When this card would be Summoned: Skip your opponent's next turn." and you start building the chain in your head, well ... there's not really a question of what's gonna be chain link 1, before anyone even has the chance to respond, is there?

@@hi-i-am-atan "When this card would be summoned" would be a replacement effect (which adds to the summon itself), not a triggered one, but I get the point, especially since summon counters are worded that way. Wouldn't that logic also apply to optional on-summon triggers, since the turn player goes first? By your logic, if I summon Stratos (or Poplar) and activate the on-summon search effect, it should be impossible to Solemn them because their effect is on the chain between the summon and where the Solemn would go, but you _can_ Solemn those cards. I am under the impression that on summon triggers happen after the summon response window, just as continuous effects don't apply until then, because the entire idea of the summon response window is that the monster hasn't hit the field yet.

@@delta3244 activated effects can't be replacement effects, and also that is literally the wording on the solemn cards except with "a monster(s)" replaced with "this card" to indicate the timing is, indeed, the same and, yes, on-summon triggers _do_ occur after the summon response window, hence why they don't block summon negations and why you don't even the get opportunity to activate 'em if the summon is negated. they come into play when the monsters hits the field proper, and no sooner emrakul isn't an etb, tho

@@hi-i-am-atan Activated effects cannot be replacement effects, correct, but "when this card would be summoned" wouldn't be wording used in a triggered effect. It is used as the activation condition for activated summon counters to indicate that they happen in the response window, but I'm 95% sure that this isn't generically applicable - summon negates are templated like that and the normal templating would be invalid for them, but their templating would be invalid for non-summon negates. I'm 95% sure that Yugioh does not have a way to express Emrakul's on cast trigger as something that happens on summon, during the summon response window, as you have phrased it. That said, if an effect were templated "at the start of this card's summon response window:", it would probably work the way you suggest, in which case I'm splitting hairs over templating.

Busted in yugioh

It being a common effect doesn't make it less good though. It's a strong effect.

It can't though, it's white and emrakul has protection from every color

​@@skulashi Emrakul has protection from spells that are one or more colors. Spells only exist on the stack, once on the battlefield permanents aren't spells anymore.

@@ericaschner3283 my b thanks for rectifying

Pretty sure: 1. You can't play mutated cultist in an Emrakul-as-commander Deck 2. 7-card hands required in 100-card singleton format are incredibly inconsistent. DD, Land, Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Thran Dynamo, Cultist, Emrakul is really a 6 card + 1 land hand. Which means the odds in commander of drawing this hand assuming you have only lands in the rest of your deck is 8.9243542e-10 or 0.0000000089% (I could be off by a 0). I think that's pretty safe for a turn 2 combo especially since there are better turn2 combos in commander.

Stop trying to cast emrakul and just get it on the battlefield. Once there it's harder to get rid of then Marit as you need to get a card onto the field that then can target Emrakul, which is pretty rare outside of white. Once she can attack you win, as you basically wipe the opponents board including a good chunk of their lands. At the time it was basically do you have a Oblivion Ring like effect, board wipe, or you lose. The protection from colored spells was what put it over the top. In commander you can deal with it a bit easier, but chances are it's knocked a player out without killing them, which is a big no-no in multi-player games.

@@nicolivoldkif9096 I’m only trying to cast it because they asked how to cast it that fast. Of course you have effects that can put it onto the battlefield but that’s not the point. The point was to explain a fast way to cast it.

@@dhalden93 yeah that’s why I specified that it’s a perfect hand. I also said that if you want a more consistent way you realistically only need dark depths and cultist with emrakul in hand since you probably have other sources of mana to get the extra 5 needed. Any card that enters with a lot of counters of some sort work well. I also never said that emrakul has to be your commander.

*Queen Don't disrespect our queen while she's taking her beauty sleep on the moon lol

I would like to introduce you to artifact ramp, especially Metalworker. Turn 1: Wastes, Sol Ring Turn 2: Ancient Tomb (or other multi-mana generating land), Metalworker Turn 3: Tap Metalworker revealing five artifact cards (six cards in hand left in a multiplayer game) for 10 mana, tap Sol Ring for 2 mana, tap both lands for 3 mana, cast Emrakul. There are other combinations that don't involve Metalworker, but they usually require more specific pieces, such as both Monoliths and a Key or two.

@@connorhamilton5707 Yeah, that's fair. To be honest, I kinda just put artifact ramp into the infinite mana ramp category, just because it is constantly causing infinite mana combos. But I understand that artfact ramp might be not be infinite...sometimes.