Neuroception is the way autonomic nervous system drives us to harmonise with each other and the environment in order to ensure the survival of the species. It operates through feelings. We usurp it with ego, fears, and being reactionary and over emotional
14:15 When he talks about German history, as a German myself I have to comment on this. The point made here is that people are able to live under different myths and quickly exchange them basically without major difficulties, and.. it seems true, but something that is presupposed here is that stories and myths are sort of the driving elements of society when in fact you can argue against this confidently and instead point towards other human pressures being the real force and stories only a circumstantial thing on top of it all, an average German in the nazi regime may not have even bought into the nazi story but remains part of the system because of his more prevalent desire to fulfill human needs such as food, security and community. The story is almost secondary.
The story is a product of the will to be like(d by) everyone else. I think there is nothing circumstantially different about a story and basic human needs. They are intrinsically linked. What is a human need, without a narrative about satisfying a human desire?
So, what your'e saying is, if there was no post ww1 economic difficulties in Germany, nazis would still be able to raise to power? And that is just one thing.... economy. Don't forget my friend, when ww2 started brewing, there were still people alive who remembered the Reich. They were regarded as barbarians since Roman days untill then.. then they created an empire (and quite mighty one), only to see it getting demolished in their lifetime! -inseet economic depression here- Now this charizmatic guy comes and rekindles those Reich fires in hungry peoples eyes.. from then on... it's like taking a candy from a baby.. So i don't agree that "myths" are more important than "real world" circumstances.
Hitler's regime was based on propaganda. Now the question is, what is the purpose of propaganda? Why did he need it? This only fact is enough for me to agree with Harari. Another example that myths work is Trump's Make America Great Again. No need to say that it worked and still working in some parts of society not to mention the riot of Capitol. What was the reason, motivation for those people to do that?
"My son turned six yesterday. What advice would you give him as he prepares for a world of robotics and artificial intelligence?" "That nothing they teach him in the educational system today is really relevant to the world in which he will actually live. The most important capacity he will need to have is to, throughout life, learn. There will be no ending to learning and to reinventing ourselves again, and again, and again...The pace of change is so fast, that you'll have to learn all your life." Yuval Noah Harari on the myths we need to survive.
@Kam Y : It depends on how a "change" is defined. For example, in my area, a revolution happened when vacuum tube was first invented. An entire new science (called electronics) poped up almost overnight...and later when the transistor first appeared replacing tubes, nothing truly "revolutionary" happened. The fundamentals of Eletronics was already well established. BUT...in a long run, Transistor has impacted us in much more deep ways. From computers to sattelites...our behaviour has changed in slow but much more profound way. The "pace of change" is a bad measurement of how Scientific and Technological revolution is shaping the world (and ourselves).
Spot on with both - im an academic and ive never seen such a series of excellent audience questions, and a moderator that in control and cognizant of their many functions (guiding the audience to pertinence, staying out of the way, spurring on the speaker, etc.) Is rare..... Bravo to all involved!
It's interesting point Myths. I just listens to Mr Yuval about his biology analysis and all possibility of silicon valley. The world contributes he retreat. The human brain analytic impresses.
I have the same thought lol and at the same time hearing all his stories in all his past interviews as a speaker, watching all his talk and videos here on RU-vid, would it make me believe his story😅?
YNH is such a large intelligence I'm pleased there was no-one also on the stage presenting counter positions. In this format he Is connectrd to his audience . Brilliant minds, beautiful minds Thank you.
check out how he uses meditation to be able to think the way he thinks; it is necessary to be able to see things as they are and not in the context of the fallacies that we are told and tell each other
Harari's overall future outlook (data as new existencial story, mainly biotek as new tool to realise the story) reminds me quite a bit on Houellebecq's novel "The Possibility of an Island". Thanks for this great talk!!!
This statement really caught me "To know something is real, ask the question ' can it suffer?'" The concept of ethics obsessed me and he kind of cured that.
The woman makes a very good question, "is love a myth?" which he jugdes and dismisses. He exclude what he fears, and becomes a slave of it, revealing a weak spot by excluding his own image. The projection is annoying as a moderator.
Saying love is a myth is a cliche as much as saying it is a heaven ..Man needs myths just as much he /she needs grounded realities ..love is a necessary illusion
I agree with you. interesting observation. there are so many mythologies related or involving Love. Likewise love is connection, connection is meaning, meaning and myths are intertwined
Who judged and dismissed what? He clearly replied that it wasn't a myth, but that it was weighed down by a whole mountain of myths. The Matrix story is an example of the Hollywood cliché of what love is, that is a myth. A better answer could have been given to be sure: love is a quite well-understood chemical process which inspires social enshrinement/standardisation and mythical representations. This highlights one issue with this talk and the exposition in his book - the almost total lack of linkage of culture to evolutionary biology. Thinking about that Matrix example, another problem comes to mind - there's no discussion of how stories that underlie societies relate to humans' artistic activity. I have no idea what fear and exclusion of image you're talking about.
@@lisamontez9401 For me in particular frontal cortex for critical thinking shutting off when devout followers listen to a preacher & might not be gender in humans in 100 years or so (given crispr could wreak havoc on people/ make ideal people with ideal ratios of everything to minimize suffering, could happen)
Yes. This is why I am a firm believer that we need to encourage our society to pursue philosophical studies to develop a better understanding and have more insights about each topic.
Myths are 'Maya' or 'Mythak' in indic vedas. One needs 'Maya' to survive, yet one has to transcend it, to realize one's self and see the reality. Meditation is one of the ways one can do that. YNH's approach is in line with this ancient practice. 👍
The speaker has such a vivid insight into future and his knowledge seems to be very very vast. I am , ordinary person , incapable to comment. I enjoyed listening it nonstop.
Actually you can, you just need to not apply it to scriptures. I've seen enough people that live in complete cognitive dissonance. They re-interprete their scriptures to fit their current beliefs.
@@rafoot3099 Not unlike a liberal interpretation of law. Society is all inclined to re-interpret the past to draw a new correlation. Whether ‘learning the mistakes from the past, using the ‘spirit of the law, or a new interpretation of scripture; every one of us does this in their own ‘metaphorical space ie in their root value system.
There are 2 men on the stage. One has great intelligence and the other has great looks. If we could use science to combine them, then I would claim him as my ideal mate.
you have no idea of who I am...just hate talk. I have read his books and they are brilliant ...have you? Politics is tribal ...just look at the world today!
''It's often said that you study history in order to ''predict'' the future and learn lessons from the mistakes of the past and so forth. I think that the main reason to study history is to free ourselves from the past. The past controls us through all these stories and institutions; the past controls our hopes, our thoughts, our dreams, our fears and shapes them. This really limits the horizon of possibilities which we can see before us. I see my job as a historian in trying, just a little bit, to relax this grip of the past and enable us to envision a wider horizon of possibilities.''
Walking us strategically into an abyss. It's good to listen to new myth makers providing you listen carefully to the underbelly of what's been proffered.
If you actually think logically and critically you see he is full of circular logic, and self-contradicting statements often the logic he applies is very selective and flawed. For example, his claims about religion are too broad and sweeping. Also what he says about why men were typically more powerful and respected in society than a woman and is puzzled by how in modern society often the physically weak ones have more power but neglects the difference in needs of the present compared to the past, in the past life was essentially more physical more based on hunting, fighting, building etc, therefore this was an essential trait often while now life is far more social and mental, however old ways of thinking persist in culture so can carry through .
Pain is mandatory, suffering is optional. Suffering is the human condition. Unnecessary suffering is widespread. I suffered through this talk. I embrace pain and suffering and make them my friends. I need an ice-cream and glass of wine now. 🍦🍷
The religions are the best stories and have succeeded through the indoctrination of the young, the weak, the poor, the desperate, the hopeful and the desire to comfort us in death.
You mentioned “ story” and it reminded me of the Hollywood perspective on existence as in The Greatest Story Ever Told ( which I find was one of the worst movies ever made). Yuval might have a nice thin slice of reality or, more probably, another story. If you have his book does it have breadth and depth of footnotes? For me that’s a tell that I need to know before I buy anymore books.
I'm always troubled by "theories" that ground society in biology and assert a "necessity" of mythology and lies - from Plato to Nietzsche - as a mask for power and politics.
I agree with that he says at 1:18:11 in the video where he states that humans can effectively operate in an environment of cognitive dissonance . We live in a world of contradiction out of necessity. George Santayana made the same observation about the contradictory world in which we live : The world is a perpetual caricature of itself; at every moment it is the mockery and the contradiction of what it is pretending to be. -George Santayana
You gotta be kidding me! I don't think you are part of this world. You should read something - assuming you can read - of what has happened in the last 4,000 years here on planet earth. And that's just for starters. Nunc est bibendum, as one might say. Cheers "The more you wander, the greater the wonder The more you quench your thirst for wonder The more you drink from the cup of life..."
roger le phoque No. I’m not kidding. Not at all. I am familiar with many aspects and periods of world history. History is so vast and dispersed that no human mind can contain and comprehend even the tiniest fraction of the original texts, art, architecture, tools, implements, mythology and archeology that exist in libraries, archives and museums. The practice of historical analysis is theoretical and interpretative. The further back we probe in time, the foggier and foggier the picture becomes as to what really happened. Historians have always filled in the gaps in their knowledge with speculation. Harari is no different. Harari is a brilliant compelling communicator. He offers us reasonable theories and interpretations and not so reasonable ones. This is true for all historians. No one is an all-knowing expert on the history of humankind. Why ever did you write what you have written, with your insults? You have no idea who I am or what I know. You have no need to defend Harari to me. You can be impressed with him and enjoy him, regardless of what I think. Cheers.
@@reallythere Well, I am of the opposite opinion. Please could you give some specifics as to what it is that Harari fails to understand at the macro level. Thanks.
"The cognitive leap, do you have any idea why that happened? And how aware are you of the myths that you are propagating yourself?" That guy was the most intelligent questioner in the audience, by several strides.
@@corporateraider9766 the reason I agree that the questioner was intelligent is because we often fail to recognize those criticisms in ourselves that we readily level at others. It was a great question!
We need explanatory stories to survive, we do not need myths. To the extent we use myths to fill in the gaps, our job as thinking persons it's to get rid of the myths and fill the space with knowledge.
Stories as stories (traditional myths, fiction), are often ways to concretize values. Yuval tends to overlook this in focusing on the factual basis of the explicit narrative. His genius, though, is in expanding the concept of myth to aspects of shared social reality, and looking at these in a creative way shorn of old assumptions.
If we elect people in power who aren't afraid of nuclear war then we are a bunch of damn fools! I'd rather a president like Obama who is intelligently cautious than someone like Trump who is erratic. This guy is not to be considered an authority! He spews out provocative ideas while few people use their critical thinking skills!
Diamond is a great thinker. But he is marred by two things (in my opinion: 1. His refusal to state that religion is a myth that holds societies together. 2. That IQ is one factor of many determining the success or failure of a society. I think that he avoids these two issues because he does not want to face an angry crowd. I've seen him skirt direct questions about these two things. But he is smart enough to know that they are important. Harari is not afraid to call out religion as a myth. The great thinkers who speak their minds, regardless of whether people like it or not, are the ones who gain the most fame..
Yes, this! That was where he got the whole "I'm the leader because of geography a d my grandpa had a horse" argument. A must read to understand the world.
I don't understand the level of hype about Harari´s work. Can people help me to understand? What single really new idea or concept has his work introduced?
I’d really like him to have a debate not just preach . Nothing is wrong of what he says but I don’t see why he should be the one to decide when and how it’s going to happen at the cost of the rest of humanity struggling with the transition.
I really enjoy his work. It seems like Jared Diamond's style of work is catching on. I'm glad to see it. Although I must say I still prefer Guns, Germs and Steel.
His point that Science is more about power than about truth is very interesting. That's what i have obseved too in my experience dealing with the scientific establishment, although I've always had an idealized view of science.
I question the fundamental bias on what power is, and patriarchal rule. This discussion is seen with a certain pair of glasses which does not question wether or not the frame work itself is correct. You are looking at a history written by those in charge. I appreciate the opening up of discussion on may levels. But still always we assume certain frameworks.
I think this book is extremely backwards looking and written from the lens of mainstream corporate-imperial ideology. You should try Raymond Pierotti's Indigenous Knowledge, Ecology, and Evolutionary Biology for a much more insightful and grounded decription of human and cultural evolution.
*Because humans have been "improved & upgraded" by Allah SWT with a more attractive form, COMMON SENSE & given LIFE GUIDELINES from the Koran, humans must be responsible for their actions & cannot be free like animals. Atheists will not be able to win debates with religious people, especially with true Muslims. THE GOOD NEWS is that there is eternal life & happiness in the afterlife for those who truly obediently submit to Allah SWT*. .
They call him the prophet and is strangely referred to in the Bible. (Revelation 13) So many here are being deceived by this creep. His end is also prophesied (Rev. 19:11-20)
@@55k3v1n *In terms of funding, maybe Christians are stronger because of tithing funds, but sorry, in terms of authenticity, the Islamic holy book wins absolutely because the validity period of your bible has already ended for the Israelites only & when the Prophet Isa AS was sent, the bible is currently the same It doesn't apply at all, since there is a noble Qur'an and its purity is maintained... In terms of visits to the holy land, Christians are also far behind... Allah SWT deliberately chose the Prophet Muhammad SAW as the last Prophet & His Book (AL QUR'AN) is in Arabic because of the prayers of Prophet Ibrahim AS, whose love & obedience to Allah SWT was so extraordinary that he was willing to sacrifice his only child whom he had been waiting for for 80 years: Ismail*
So, basically, many of us; perhaps most of us, we are forced to live the way we do, and limited or controlled by our own stories regardless our physicality and not quite "convinced" that this is the way it could be. And yet, we are clearly forced by all possible violent means, symbocally or not and our major threats are not a fantasy anymore and they are indeed very physical.
Even the other means that control us are just based on stories which also makes it clear nothing would have to be as it is if enough people would join to change the story
"Homo sapiens is basically a bunch of sheep that got nuclear weapons, atomic power and sheep with nuclear weapons are far more dangerous than wolves with nuclear weapons because they aren't accustomed to such kind of power, they are much more frightened. And to have somebody who is afraid with nuclear weapons is much more dangerous than to have somebody who feels secure with nuclear weapons." ~ Yuval Noah Harari
It’s not about being “afraid“ though. It comes down to the simple fact that out of around 1,000 humans at least 1 human at any given time will be absolutely unstable, depressed, resentful, and simply filled with revenge against the world and existence itself! Often such people take their own lives, but sometimes they also kill their wife or children, or they go on a rampage with no regard for what happens to them or the human species afterwards. It is the existence of such people - no matter how well off we all are on average - that makes the presence of nuclear weapons so insanely dangerous.
His consciousness is rooted in signs and symbols produced by movies, even as his identification of his gay identity is also from movies. He "re-presents himself rather than presenting himself" in a manner different from most of us.
I had the strong need to condemn the host because of his too long own remarks. But then everything changed. He lectured very wisely and appropriately on some of the most important films of our time. He mentioned the Matrix and he mentioned Back to the Future. Everything was forgiven.
There really is a God behind all this. He's an "unjust judge" and also a big gambler jo like to roll the dice. Look at this solar system -- doesn't it resemble a roullete wheel? (You are here by chance--so take care your creator doesn't discard you and send you back to the animal kingdom -- where ticks and fleas never stop biting--some even howl at the moon with crimson blood smeared on their faces (OMG read Psalm 49 perceptively and see-- HELL IS REAL--and those who dono't ascend to heaven will stay below and be born again as animals -- here only one law exists -- the "law of the jungle" (ask Donald Trump, who subscibes to that type of thing-- i.e., "winners" and "losers"--get it? That's COMMUNISM!
1) I think there is a complete misunderstanding of what liberalism is. 2) He haven't explained how he wants to replace liberalism. 3) I think he is very arrogant when he says that something that is not his area of expertise is a fiction (there is significant empirical data that supports in the economic field). 4) Liberalism doesn't advocate for consumerism... it just says that economics is A MEAN for your goals... if you find a different way to accomplish your goal that is completely valid. Again, he doesn't explain for what he want to replace it for BTW he then cites Marx. Please, stick to your area of expertise.
The idea of myths being the glue for the formation and sustenance of large groups of humans is the most fascinating thing i have learnt from Youval Harari. And now i wonder why science is not so popular despite its proven rational success? Its missing something, a myth probably ;)
Yuval is a good intermediary in the topic of consciousness. it is important to understand that our believes are models caused by fears. the nature of fear is vulnerability. To gain consciousness the first step is to recognize that we are all vulnerable. the second is the loose the fear of getting hurt.
And consistent with Harari's intoxication with control, my previous disapproving, disagreeing comment was struck-through as marked for deletion. What a puppet master.
39:34 Science as an institution is not concerned with truth...but instead power. This seems to correlate well with the response to the current pandemic. So much energy is being spent on idea suppression and steering the public perception when the most vital early needs sputtered. Specifically, agreeing on a protocol for data collection seemed an obvious need that never broke through the panicked initial global response. As a human with a sixth grade understanding of the scientific method it was truly humiliating to witness such mass stupidity coming from the only people capable of helping.
In my field I run into lots of techies. The AI fever has largely subsided. Its not progressing nearly as fast as they dreamed it would and real world problems are going to need humans solving them for the foreseeable future.
@@ed7542 You got it. Companies are more or less realizing it's pointless trying to remake a human or something when human-like cognition. There's no actual money in it and next to no companies need that much computation for anything. Worst, 90% of the world's companies that are innovation friendly have barely mastered Excel, and don't even need to in all reality. I'm on the sales end of it and 'big data', desperately trying to get out of the industry because it's a roller coast ride of hype and public deception', 'robots/ai' is just the new phase.
