Zed, Vim, And The Problem Of Editors 

Prime got owned there lol What an amazing moment!

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​@@frndstp 32:15

When someone shows you useless tricks

I is pretty useful if you want to make comment banners Ex. 80i#Esc

I also appreciate a German SWE getting praise by Prime (I'm German myself).

Have you seen when he "tried to learn next.js"? He ended up talking about vim and rust after every 5 minutes.

I died, was about to comment something similar omg.

That's really helpful! Thanks man!

Isn't this the default for p? When I yank a line, I can paste it with p.

@@marloelefant7500 If you yank a line with y, delete a different line with d, then paste with p, what gets pasted is what you deleted--not what you yanked.

@@marloelefant7500 if you delete something in between a yank and a paste it will paste the thing you deleted, so to make sure you paste the thing you yanked, you would do "0p

@@marloelefant7500 p is pasting thing from unnamed register, which stores last thing you yanked, deleted or changed, 0 register stores only yanked thing

Had me rolling

I died on 10gs

I don’t know if I feel seen or called out. Having started on vi (before vim existed) and frequently logging into servers that I don’t have the Fs to give to sync a vimconfig over to, I mostly use default stock vim. Oh, but I use Dvorak because I learned that before all of these other colemak/workman/etc. variants existed. Damn, I’m old…

The little part of my brain that says I should bring my own keyboard everywhere just got louder... on the other hand my keyboard is like 2kg so it's still balancing out for now.

​@@ivanheffner2587 I finally decided to look into Colemak after this video but now you made me aware of Workman, damn it... I'm scared of going too deep into the rabbit hole. The thing is I frequently type in two different languages so it might make less sense for me to switch from QWERTY (ISO), compared to someone who only types in English, as these layouts seem to be optimized for English.

LOL

"Zed is a high-performance, multiplayer code editor from the creators of Atom and Tree-sitter." Atom was complete garbage.... im not having high hopes lol

​@@Microphunktv-jb3kjAtom was great lol why'd you not like it?

​@@Microphunktv-jb3kj just try it.. It's a really great editor

Even on tech RU-vid I can't escape the HAWK TUAH!

XD i was that guy for years... and then neovim 0.5 came...

@@vaisakhkm783 hahahah that happens.

@@vaisakhkm783 yeah using neovim is like cheating in the analogy lol neovim >> vim (especially lua. Best decision ever!)

37:14 pure gold See also: XKCD 1168

i need that command in real life lol

​@@no_name4796 I use it in my case if i do pomodoro, i set break for 5mins that makes 300s, so I do :sl 300

Makes me think of POSIX vs. GNU. Bash and gawk are great but you should be able to survive without all their extensions.

Any software that doesn't offer reasonably satisfiable defaults really shouldn't be given anyone's time of day.

They’re working on cross platform and you can currently build from source for Win and Linux

@@aquilafasciata5781 pre-compiled packages are also available at least on Arch.

@@aquilafasciata5781 There's also an install script at zedDOTdev/installDOTsh

@@aquilafasciata5781 that's very good news :) Was aware of Linux, obviously, because of the video. But I have some hardcore Windows users in the team which are sometimes difficult to convince.

@@aquilafasciata5781Zed is in nixpkgs as `zed-editor` and it seems to be mostly functional

just deal with it: only vim and neovim 100% support all vim motions. Already things like macros, jumps and stuff like that is not supported in many editors. Which is why i now hate vim integration in editors. I am used to do tons of stuff that most vim integrations do not allow

tbf, the vscode extension is basically hacked into vscode. Zed implementation makes more sense, as they are trying to integrate vim motions, not just smack them in and call it a day Also how do plugins run in vscode neovim extension? neovim has a flag to disable plugins, i thought they would use it. Otherwise i can see problems like double completions (one from vscode and one from neovim) lol

I was coc.nvim uptil now, lspzero with mason is like mindblowing!! After an hour it was easy with lua for me. I had my own looong vim script.

It does! Come over!

@@thorstenball5773 how many LSPs though?

5 days late and totally came down below the line for this comment.

🤜🤛 lol ​@@OnStageLighting

Don’t know the details here, but isn’t that normal for software with dependencies?

@@jdsmedley only if you expect software written in Javascript

​@@jdsmedleyAbsolutely not lol

@@jdsmedley don't tell people saying no to this what their favorite multiplayer games and its anti-cheats do on their PCs.

Somewhat normal for easier LSP management. Setting them up manually kinda sucks

Sure obsession about anything is bad. A bit of play and fun is okay IMO.

Unless you work at zed!

Let us have something man our jobs are tiring.

Yeah, like who the fuck uses mac os

@@mattymattffs people with way too much money on their hands.

Just compile it yourself

@@mattymattffs People who have to get shit done

If you think you cannot create architecture diagrams in Emacs you must have never seriously tried it.

XML mentioned! brazil!!!

Draw io is the GOAT!

How much is Lucid paying gyou

@@vikingthedude not enough to think xml is good, but if they want to send me money i'll gladly relearn html5 again for the 100th time but brazil is paying me

How do you make business without selling something?

​@@FeLiNe418 Well uhm, proprietary compilers died out for a reason

@@random_bit take a look at kotlin. The compiler is free, but all the toolings are provided by jetbrains and they are all paid if you want to be productive.

@@FeLiNe418 Precisely

Borland used to be good

only thing that’s stopping me from trying it as a daily driver is the support for other LSPs than the ones they hardcoded in, as soon as that’s there I’m definitely going to try it

happy that you found something you like. might give Zed a shot myself when it matures a bit

@@LosFarmosCTL That's true. I haven't had to use any other than the already supported LSPs. I can see that being a turn off

@@CodemanBen yup I 100% need the swift LSP, I have no issues with running tests from the terminal instead of an integrated test menu but without LSP no way, stuck on vscode for now

My issue is that many of the features I rely on the most (abbreviations, proper snippets (not the lsp-only crap they've implemented recently), and (marker based) folding) are not a thing in zed.

Why do you think so?

​@@sososo3906inferior

You are so wrong 😞

Sublime Text is a wasteful man's VS Code. VS Code is a man with skill issues VIM. 😂

Zed is amazing

@user-gf7ss5je9hI think it’s a joke or the individual is just clueless

In general, every editor has been trailing emacs for decades. They all want to be emacs without telling people they want to be emacs.

When you can run an OS in your editor, what else do you really need?

no substitute for Emacs, editor from the 70s

i will always use magit tho

@@zZGzHD magit and org mode are amazingly good

Also use zsh as your shell

i need a 36.000gs command in real life lol

I could see someone finding a use for it in a macro.

I hate tabs. I have a current directory buffer and a recently opened buffer, in insert mode to immediately start typing the name of the buffer in interested in.

Got to agree. I'm perpelxed why modern linux guis seem to all require tab-supporting capable terminals and text editors but understand its to appeal to users used to tabbed browsing. In the case of xterms, I install the invaluable package 'screen' as soon as I get linux installed so I can muliplex any of my terminals immediately. For a variety of benefits. Command lines that hang the terminal in the foreground are easily dealt with. (Ctrl-Z and bg work in this case but can trigger some complex tasks into thinking they're hung, assume they ran into errors, plus the issue of using a terminal while some background process that you thought would behave suddenly blurts out some random messages on stdout while you're trying to carefully put together a delicate command line. Screen lets you just open a new vt in a split second with three keypresses and keep working. I can detach my full sessions any time and reattach them through any tty, be it a gui in x, a text terminal, or an ssh or telnet session remotely, and I never fully use more than maybe six even when I've got a few relegated to monitoring tasks and a sudo bash terminal or two (not recommended to leave open like that, for security concerns) while tabbed tools with unlimited tabs encourage overloading yourself and leaving a headache to manage later if you have to pause your work or save your session. The idea of multiple interfaces grouped together is the powerful part of what tabs are. They don't need to stick out and be "tabs" and lose yet another precious few pixels to menubar bloat that requires you to manage yet another auto-hide setting if its even an option, or just permament work in a stunted space. Nobody should have to leave a list of current live sessions up to remind you there are multiple interfaces available when you're the one setting them up and coordinating them specifically for your current use, and if you've got a keyboard in front of you, navigating using it should be the most efficient choice. Tabbed terminals (and editors) copy multiplexers like screen but they also lock you in to their interface. Screen lists your current "screens" when ask to see them, by briefly listing them at the bottom of the screen, out of the way and secondary to your actual work at hand. That's how "tabs" should work imho. The tabs being the primary focus of what "tabs" are, is like calling gui windows "Titled rectangles" and missing the point that the window title is just there to organize the rectangles, not to take over as the primary detail to the point that you think of X, Windows, or MacOS as Titled Shape interface. I even prefer the layered windowing of old Turbo C and Turbo Pascal editors that used text mode box-character-drawn windowing, fully allowed you to swap between open source code editing, output windows, watch and debug, help files and code references, and tile, maximize, hide, or close those windows with keyboard commands if you don't want to reach for your mouse for some more precise layout control. The window list was always accessible off a menu if you needed to see what's currently open. I admit though, that I did switch from 80x25 to 80x50 text modes when coding because losing a few lines off the screen for the text "gui" was a little much.

Easier on the eyes?

@@adriansrfr what tabs have to do with eyes?

As long as the tabs have keyboard shortcuts, I'm happy.

I think rust/zig is closer to nvim/emacs or zed/vscode. Zed and Neovim are both great but they aren’t direct competitors. One is a great gui and can run a terminal, but people who prefer to have the editor in the terminal will probably still prefer Neovim.

cycling through buffers: `pane::ActivatePrevItem` and `pane::ActivateNextItem`. Default bindings are `cmd-{` and `cmd-}` on macOS. We have `:quitall` to close all buffers. So you can do `:qa` (or create a binding)

​@@thorstenball5773thank you, thorsten!

then there cases like gnome, where there are tons of important standard which are not implemented because devs personally do not need them