Zelda Fitzgerald - Talented Writer & Artist | Biographical Documentary

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Zelda Fitzgerald is one of the most enigmatic personalities of the Jazz Age. Opinions about her tend to be polarized - some seeing her flamboyant, high spending lifestyle as a constant drain on the creative energy of her husband - F Scott Fitzgerald - one of America’s greatest writers.
Others regard her as a talented dancer, writer and artist in her own right who was thwarted by Scott’s behaviour.
Finding Out More:
There are many biographies of F Scott Fitzgerald but, I would highly recommend Zelda Fitzgerald: Her Voice in Paradise by Sally Cline, which tells the story of Zelda and Scott’s life from her perspective. I have added this and some of the Scott biographies to my Amazon store page if you are interested: www.amazon.com...
Academic References:
Esteve, N., and Huertas, R. (2018). Zelda and Scott Fitzgerald and psychoanalysis: The construction of Tender Is the Night (1934). Culture and History Digital Journal, 7(1).
Lawson, A. (2015). The Muse and the Maker: Gender, Collaboration, and Appropriation in the Life and Work of F. Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald. The F. Scott Fitzgerald Review, 13(1), 76-109.
Tavernier-Courbin, J. (1979). Art as Woman's Response and Search: Zelda Fitzgerald's" Save Me the Waltz". The Southern Literary Journal, 22-42.
Wood, ME (1992) A Wizard Cultivator: Zelda Fitzgerald's Save Me the Waltz as Asylum Autobiography. Tulsa Studies in Women's Literature. 11 (2), 223-264.
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The primary purpose of this video is educational. I have tried to use material in the public domain or with Creative Commons Non-attribution licences wherever possible. Where attribution is required, I have listed this below. I believe that any copyright material used falls under the remit of Fair Use, but if any content owners would like to dispute this, I will not hesitate to immediately remove that content. It is not my intention to infringe on content ownership in any way. If you happen to find your art or images in the video, please let me know and I will be glad to credit you.
Images:
Wikimedia Commons
Princeton University Library
The Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald Museum, Montgomery
Music:
Claude Debussy "La Fille aux Cheveux de Lin" (The Girl with the Flaxen Hair) by Mike Ambrose.CC3.0
Claude Debussy "Clair de lune" in the Suite bergamasque by performed by Laurens Goedhart CC3.0
Claude Debussy: Préludes, Book 2: Canope. Giorgi Latsabidze. Free Art Licence
Julius Weissenborn - Trio for 3 Bassoons Op 4 - Arthur Grossman, Terry Ewell and Bruce Grainger CC2.0
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky: Swan Lake Op.20 No.2.Waltz. John Barbirolli conducting the London Philharmonic Orchestra. Public domain
Gustav Holst - The planets, op. 32 - Mars, the bringer of war. Skidmore College Orchestra CC Attribution
Johann Sebastian Bach - Partita For Solo Flute, a minor (BWV 1013). Scott Goff. CC2.0
Johann Sebastian Bach "Little" Fugue in G Minor, BWV 578 - Saxophone Quartet - United States Army Field Band. Public Domain.
Mozart; String Quartet No. 15 In C Major "Les Dissonances" K465. Quatuor Mosaïques. CC0.
Ernesto Di Capua: O sole mio: Jazz-Symphonie-Orchester Bernard Etté rearranged as a Tango and blues by Wilhelm Lindemann - Berlin 1927 CC0
George Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue Paul Whiteman and His Orchestra: From the King of Jazz (1930) Public domain
Scott Joplin - Gladiolus Rag - Pathé Dance Orchestra (public domain)
Regal Jazz Syncopators: Ping Sing Fox trot. Public Domain
Charleston Royalty Free Music. CC0
Walk through the park Track Tribe CC0
Asher Fulero Lament of the Ancients CC0
Aletheia (Unforgetting) Devon Church CC0
B - Somber Ballads by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 licence. creativecommon... Artist: incompetech.com/
I Am a Man Who Will Fight for Your Honor by Chris Zabriskie is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 licence. creativecommon...
Scott Joplin's "The Entertainer", James Brigham. CC2.0
Johannes Brahms: Quintet for Clarinet and String Quartet. William McColl and the Orford String Quartet, Andrew Dawes and Kenneth Perkins, violin; Sophie Renshaw, viola; Denis Brott, 'cello. CC2.0
Video produced by Graeme Yorston and Tom Yorston.

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@georgiairving9262 10 месяцев назад

I’ve been waiting for you to do this since your previous video about her husband. Fascinating, informative, interesting and your voice is soothing 😊

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it.

@dixieelder3203 7 месяцев назад

Brilliant. Thank you for giving Zelda acknowledgment for her creativity. Her suffering was the other side of a vibrant life. It’s good to learn about her faith being comforting for her.

@professorgraemeyorston 7 месяцев назад

Thank you, she is seriously underestimated as a person.

@asharpmajor6740 10 месяцев назад

What a story. I'm not sure if it was worse having a mental illness before anyone tried to cure them, or the first 70 years or so of trying to cure them. Another great video.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I think the "treatment" in mental hospitals got worse in the first half of the 20th century as authorities began to worry about the rising numbers and costs.

@deborahshallin5843 4 месяца назад

@@professorgraemeyorstonhence the ridiculous time of closing mental hospitals which are so desperately needed now and has contributed to such inhumane treatment now such as the overwhelming homeless population.

@paulabarch5065 4 месяца назад

Yes. I think it was a pretty awful thing , the illness and the attempts at a cure. In correspondence with Zelda's granddaughter Eleanor Lanahan, at one point I tried to make the point that perhaps Zelda wasn't as lost in her head as people were saying, she struck me as the saner of her grandparents- Eleanor was convinced that she was very sick, and not a candidate for zoloft and ,I'll see you in 6th months. She had talent, no doubt, but it wasn't controlled enough to communicate to the audience, neither the writing nor the art. Also, Eleanor did not find Scott to be the villian in Zeldas life. His alcoholism, yes certainly, but she felt that her grandmother was sick and would become more sick, with or without Scott. He didn't make her sick, it was a Sayre family mental disease that snaked through generations of the family. Eleanor's brother Tim, I believe, killed himself as a boy -- he was Scottie's child as was Eleanor- at any rate Zeldas fate was genetically sealed at birth, Scott's alcoholism exacerbated it. One last random thing: everyone seems to believe Scott using her words was more proof of his mistreatment of Zelda, and if it were that alone I would agree. There were instances where he did "borrow" her words without her knowledge or permission. But very often they would submit to Scribners a short story or article with only Scott as the author though Zelda may have written it in part, because the magazines payed $3000 for a story by F Scott Fitzgerald but wouldn't print a story by his wife. There were a few little filler pieces that were supposedly written by both or Zelda alone, but they were not the $3000 stories Scott needed to pay the bills. And they were always broke, living on loans and advances. It was Scott's talent they relied on to live, so when an opportunity arose, there wasn't a choice about who gets the byline, it had to be Scott.

@Lorianne5190 3 месяца назад

@@deborahshallin5843 Thank goodness so many of those abusive places were shut down. Unfortunately, many (most?) of the ones that remain, still commit malpractice and assault against patients on a very regular basis.

@MaxPinder-l6t Месяц назад

Wonderful duo of biographies on this tragic couple. Well done Prof!

@professorgraemeyorston Месяц назад

Thank you.

@ProudCanadian1959 7 месяцев назад

She was quite the artist , I love her work. Alcohol has destroyed too many lives that could have gone on to create more beauty. Famously sad lives. I'm hooked on your channel, Professor, thank you.

@professorgraemeyorston 7 месяцев назад

Thank you, glad you're enjoying the vids!

@The-Portland-Daily-Blink 6 месяцев назад

Well done. I think this is the best critique of Zelda Fitzgerald that has EVER been done. Well done!

@professorgraemeyorston 6 месяцев назад

Wow, thank you, high praise indeed.

@gina11ism 10 месяцев назад

Your opinions always hit the mark. They are enlightening and fresh, and long overdue. I hope in time your well made and educational videos will be seen by the majority. In the meantime I will continue to share and I am always looking forward to the next. Thank you so much professor.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I appreciate that!

@suneethamay3615 10 месяцев назад

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@paulabarch5065 Месяц назад

Oh this was wonderful- youve added so much, and pictures and photos, new to me anyway. Bravo, Professor, and sincere thanks again!😊

@professorgraemeyorston Месяц назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@poetryjones7946 10 месяцев назад

I’ve studied Zelda Sayre Fitzgerald for years and your video, to me, seems the most fair and accurate assessment of her condition I’ve ever encountered. She was so highly talented in so many different arenas (I adore her artwork!) ; I’ve sometimes wondered if it would be fair to say she was also afflicted with ADHD. I really can’t add much to your account. Very well done bio|video. Certainly Scott’s severe alcoholism (& the accompanying acting-out ) exacerbated Zelda’s own disordered mental state. I particularly enjoyed this presentation, thanks so much. 🌹

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Thank you, I love her art as well.

@nonprofitgirl 10 месяцев назад

Mmm, pretty sure she was a bad boozer and also delusional. So there’s that. It’s fine. We all have our problems.

@sumajewski8368 10 месяцев назад

i politely disagree that she had ADHD. I'll lay 10:1 odds that Zelda had bipolar disorder. The excessive spending, taking extreme risks, mania (constant need to party), extreme mood swings, all classic symptoms. As the untreated disease progressed she would have experienced hallucinations and delusions, which would have led to the misdiagnosis of schizophrenia.

@MaureenDeVries-wd9mh 10 месяцев назад

I agree with the bi-polar diagnosis.

@melissabird23 10 месяцев назад

I believe she had ADHD and was also on the autism spectrum. It was her neurodiversity in a time when such a thing was unheard of combined with a pattern of psychological trauma (also allegedly she had been raped) that caused her mental health to collapse. Not schizophrenia and not bipolar disorder which are often misdiagnoses for traumatized people.

@snapdragon4370 10 месяцев назад

The most in-depth history of Zelda. Fascinating. Very well done. He took the time to find photos, paintings, manuscripts and historical documentation. All the things so visibly missing from most Zelda documentaries.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Thank you - they took some unearthing!

@Robin35758 4 месяца назад

I have just started watching your videos Prof Yorston and I find your analysis carefully crafted and insightful.

@foljamb 4 месяца назад

convincing, professor yorston: gently, quietly, thoroughly presented--thank you

@professorgraemeyorston 4 месяца назад

Thank you.

@maryfyrr Месяц назад

I agree such that the way Prof. Yorstòn presents his research and story of his subjects is mesmerizing in and of itself ... Yorston brings his audience along "gently, quietly, throughly" .... A storyteller of stories .... 🇨🇦

@paulamiles9559 10 месяцев назад

Zelda was a good writer- I read her memoir Save Me The Waltz. She was an excellent painter, too. Did Scott steal her writing? She certainly was a source of creativity for him. Her death was tragic. Thank you for your excellent piece, and for giving Zelda her due.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

It would have been interesting to see how her writing would have developed if Scott hadn't forbidden her.

@fizzao1342 10 месяцев назад

@@professorgraemeyorston She started a novel called “Jacob’s Things” but it turned into a complicated story and Nancy Milford said it suffered from “running straight into Zelda’s psychosis”. That’s her words. She obviously had read the rough draft of it.

@The-Portland-Daily-Blink 6 месяцев назад

it was not a memoir. It was a novel, fiction, and demonstrated her ability to write. It is said, she wrote it to show F. Scott that writing was not that hard. She was brilliant.

@lindaoneill6323 5 месяцев назад

I think Scott could write but it was easier to use Zelda which to me makes him villainous & l think he was jealous of her zeal.

@poetryjones7946 3 месяца назад

I’ve tried and tried to get through, “Waltz” but always wind up abandoning it. Her writing is just too confusing and oft times unnecessarily verbose, her imagery so dense. I commend you for reading & understanding it. Before I die I’d like to give it one more try, as Zelda has fascinated me for decades.❤

@janegardener1662 10 месяцев назад

Folie a deux sounds like a good description of their marriage. It's amazing that Scottie turned out so well! Thank you for this interesting portrait of Zelda.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Yes, Scottie seems to have been a stable balanced individual.

@fizzao1342 10 месяцев назад

@@professorgraemeyorstonI think Scottie had her demons too actually. She was a heavy drinker and smoker. Her son Tim committed suicide as a twenty something. I do think Zelda had an unfortunate mental inheritance. You mentioned her mother’s family history. Zelda’s brother also committed suicide. The poor man was afraid that that he was going to kill his mother so he killed himself rather than harm Mrs Sayre.

@susieschlotzhauer9924 10 месяцев назад

Oh Zelda you were a queen of your time! It makes me sad to see the way he really treated her and how she was just called “crazy” and treated that way when she needed help yes but love and attention is what she needed most! She really was the artist of the family! Great job on this Doc SO FANTASTIC! ☺️

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@gloriagruca8290 7 месяцев назад

Well-done professor! A well-rounded view of Zelda. In regard to diagnosis as I once read not everybody fits neatly in the box such is her case. To some extent she was a product of her era and Southern Culture. It is not easy to deal with either alcoholism or mental illness. Yet, the relationship sustained it.

@virginiasoskin9082 4 месяца назад

This was very interesting. Thank you so much! I recently saw a documentary or read an article about Zelda's paper doll designs which were colorful and imaginative (I am an artist). I find it interesting to hear that Scotty considered her childhood wonderful. As you discussed their lives, I think Scotty was in the photos quite a bit, so I think they went places as a trio most of the time. However, they probably had a nanny or nurse for her; if Zelda didn't know how to boil an egg she may not have ever learned how to mother a child either (she once made a statement in your video that she was past motherhood, all of it...). But Scotty looks happy next to her parents. So you never know what children will remember of their childhoods -- a father's alcoholism surely must not have been easy for Scotty to see nor deal with, and her mother's hospital trips must also have been quite worrying for a little girl and adolescent. Hm. I posit that Scotty must have had SOMEONE who she knew loved her deeply with no reservations whether it be her mom, dad or grandparents or other caregiver. So, a question arises, Professor Yorston: is mental illness inherited? Is it genetic? Perhaps it depends what sort of mental illness it is. Perhaps making a video about cases where it seemed to be genetic, and where it seemed to NOT be genetic would be interesting though I don't know if you can classify mental illnesses like that -- there is probably a lot of overlap.

@poetryjones7946 3 месяца назад

I wish she’d been able to paint more, her stuff is fascinating, particularly knowing her floating mental/emotional states and her resultant perceptions. Her people look so bent and tortured, her flowers have a carnivorous quality.

@professorgraemeyorston 3 месяца назад

I agree - she is usually dismissed as a painter - but I think her pictures have some depth.

@TheRelizabeth 10 месяцев назад

Thank you. Life is hard and not everyone can color within the lines of society. ❤

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Very true, I think both of them went quite a long way over the lines!

@noorgonzalez1076 7 месяцев назад

😮 Isaiah 35:5,6

@othgmark1 7 месяцев назад

This was outstanding, well balanced and researched. Thank you.

@professorgraemeyorston 7 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@nhmisnomer 10 месяцев назад

I was struck by her importance when I saw her paintings in person at the Fitzgerald house museum in Montgomery, AL. I hadn't been familiar with her art until then. Her watercolors are so energetic and unique. It's so sad that she didn't get the help and support she needed.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I haven't seen any of her paintings in person, but that energy still comes through in the reproductions.

@virginiasoskin9082 4 месяца назад

I like her bright colors and bulbous forms. Unique. Sad that her work was not sold for more. The drawings shown here reveal a very deft hand. She deserved more. But then there are so many artists like that, who never get the recognition they deserve, Van Gogh being the most famous example.

@brendagarrigan2161 10 месяцев назад

I enjoyed seeing her paintings. She has a unique style, very talented as watercolor is the most difficult media to work in. What a shame that many of her paintings were destroyed and by a family member! It's been said that her ghost haunts the Grove Park Inn in Asheville! Considering her tragic death who knows? Thank you for this very informative documentary. Excellent!

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it.

@ulrikjensen6841 7 месяцев назад

Her paintings and painting style reminds of the English painter Francis Bacon; the same deforming of reality.

@canopusstar5157 6 месяцев назад

I read a biography on Zelda many years ago. I always felt her life was a tragedy of under appreciated talent and ability. Having had my own run-in with the psychiatric establishment, what Zelda went through at their hands was nothing less than torture. I’ve had a few run ins with that too so I know. She was a brave and talented woman who deserved a longer life and much more recognition.

@GarryCochrane 6 месяцев назад

Fantastic, I had the wrong impression of Zelda and this really corrected it.

@wordjunkys 10 месяцев назад

I enjoyed this so much. I never knew of her tragic death. What a 😊 unique woman!

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

She was indeed.

@deborahshallin5843 4 месяца назад

Detox, I believe, wasn’t a term that was used during that time. I think, “ drying out “ was more appropriately used during that period. In all respect, I could be wrong. Lovely work and well done, thank you for sharing and all your hard work. Most sincerely.

@Leslie12.66 10 месяцев назад

37:03 Not being able to write about herself really hit me. She didn't have control or ownership of her life. She was his muse, not her own. Such a shame. Her only way out of the situation was to go into a hospital and away from him, but she was conditioned to believe she couldn't "live" without him. So very sad. ----- Thank you for your thought provoking videos. I always look forward to them.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I agree, to think that that Scott considered her life his material is shocking.

@fizzao1342 10 месяцев назад

⁠@@professorgraemeyorstonThis is why, although enjoying his writing, I cannot admire him as a person. He also wrote that”some people will tell you that Zelda’s behaviour drove me to drink and others that my drinking drove her insane’. It is certain that so much drinking did neither of them any good. I’m so sorry for Zelda. She was a good but not brilliant dancer, writer and painter. I like her short stories and her novel “Save Me the Waltz”. Her paintings frighten me. This is such an excellent video, Graeme. I really enjoyed it.

@francescagillon2018 2 месяца назад

In "Save me the waltz" she wrote about herself including her dancing experience. He only forbade her to write about her psychiatric experience since he was dealing with it in his novel in progress "Tender is the night."

@francescagillon2018 2 месяца назад

F. S. Fitzgerald who was a professional writer didn't write what he liked. He had to please his agent and his publishers who kept advising him and vetoing what he wanted to write about. For instance they refused a genuine short story about the american civil war because they didn't think hanging by the thumbs was acceptable.

@francescagillon2018 2 месяца назад

I have read "Save me the waltz" which is a very interesting title since it is usually uttered by young men rather than by young women. I was interested by her dancing experience in Paris. I was however very disappointed by the chapter devoted to the passage from the USA to Europe. I wanted to know what passengers travelling first class would talk about but failed to make any sense of her writing. Are you really surprised he forbade her to write about such a sensitive subject as her experience in psychiatric hospitals?

@CountAmadeusProductions 10 месяцев назад

Thank you , professor. I've been waiting for this one for a while

@poetryjones7946 10 месяцев назад

Me as well! Zelda is a fascinating personality❣️🌹

@huwzebediahthomas9193 10 месяцев назад

I'm happy for you both.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

It took a while as I wanted to do her justice.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I agree!

@eileenbauer4601 10 месяцев назад

Thank you for this completely fascinating documentary. You did a good job in teasing out the truth of this very complex relationship. I really like her artwork. Of added interest to me is, I am from Maryland, and still live there, and, my husband and I lived in Switzerland for a long time, so I knew many of the places mentioned. The usual way we pronounce “Towson” is the first syllable rhymes with “cow” :) Always happy when I see a new video, thanks very much Professor!

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Thank you, I seem to get the pronunciation of American placenames wrong more than French and Dutch ones!

@vanessacollins9434 10 месяцев назад

Another woman I would love to go back in time and hug. Poor Zelda. Poor Scottie I’m sure she grew up with major emotional issues too

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Scottie seems to have blotted it all out and lived a normal life.

@heidisaglund3443 9 месяцев назад

Her art is exquisite...I would absolutely love to have one of her pieces.

@professorgraemeyorston 9 месяцев назад

Me too! It's terrible to think her sister just burned them.

@DependsWhatDay 5 месяцев назад

They do offer prints of her work now at the Montgomery museum

@alanaadams7440 7 месяцев назад

Hemmingway calling Zelda insane. Thats a good one

@marquitaarmstrong399 7 месяцев назад

Honestly. Cant stand ernest. Booooooo

@bendewet1057 3 месяца назад

Same here! He was a Horrible, Extreme Chauvinist, and a pretty mediocre Author, it is quite doubtful is he would find a Publisher today.

@TheGreenHydrant Месяц назад

@@bendewet1057 I can tell you' ve never read Hemingway

@peaches1206 10 месяцев назад

Thank you , professor. I live very near Asheville. I think I'll try to find where the hospital was and stand there and say a prayer for both Scott and Zelda. I always thought it horrifying and sad how she died. Didn't know a nurse had locked 9 women in their rooms. I wonder if the nurse ever had repercussions from that act. She should have. Once again, thanks.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I think they tried to blame the fire on another patient, but nothing was ever proved.

@peaches1206 10 месяцев назад

@@professorgraemeyorston Thank you. We'll probably never know. The hospital was rebuilt and sold in 2015 to become a place for adolescent males to go for extended care after they've finished rehab. The only one available east of the Rockies! (as of 2015). There is a plaque noting the Zelda connection outside on the lawn.

@user-pt1ow8hx5l 6 месяцев назад

Hi professor. This is moving stuff. Loved the reappraisal at the end of the video. Of your own earlier work. Being the son of a talented and, dare i say, beautiful woman who married a bit 'below' her familys social standing,.... I feel I might add that full blown opera training is a therapeutic intervention that has had some effect on depressed women.

@professorgraemeyorston 6 месяцев назад

Thank you, I think pursuing something you feel passionate about is beneficial to most people.

@alanaadams7440 7 месяцев назад

Most authors Write about the people in their lives The saying goes " Write what you know"

@veritas6335 10 месяцев назад

There's a thin line between genius and insanity, as we've seen in so many cases. Depression and suicide ran in the Hemingway family as well. The brilliant and hugely talented Oscar Levant ended up in mental institutions. Many others including numerous writers and painters, like Jackson Pollock, suffered similarly.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

It is an endlessly fascinating connection.

@user-pt1ow8hx5l 7 месяцев назад

13.50 minutes into the piece the narrator already reminds me of the endless supply of short stories by Scott, in no small measures generated by Zelda......

@jilltagmorris 2 месяца назад

These are wonderful. Just finished F. Scott episode ❤😊❤

@professorgraemeyorston 2 месяца назад

Wow, you're getting through them!

@emanon2794 10 месяцев назад

Now, I know the legend of Zelda and why she needed saving from a dark monster.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Good point - I know the game was named after her, but hadn't thought of that angle!

@beattybetty 10 месяцев назад

This is an excellently researched piece. Thank you for this. I think she would have fared better if they had divorced. Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda…alas poor Zelda.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@christamarie818 10 месяцев назад

As someone who has been to multiple psych wards, including Johns Hopkins and Sheppard Pratt since I live in Baltimore, it's amazing to see how far we have come in nearly 100 years. The thing I am most surprised to hear is how bad SP seemed for Zelda because the hospital is part museum showing the history of psychiatry and always paints itself as the forerunner of ethical, humane psych treatment and that's what I always thought, especially since it is so nice now. Since Hopkins is a huge research hospital, I would have thought there would be where the sketchy, experimental psychiatry took place while SP was more on the actually helpful side of the spectrum.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

At least she got out of JH and SP - unlike Highlands where she was locked in her room!

@CynthiaJanowiecki Месяц назад

This was fascinating. Thank you for your work. Have you thought to do one on Sylvia Plath?

@professorgraemeyorston Месяц назад

Thanks, yes Sylvia Plath is on the to-do list.

@samsum3738 7 месяцев назад

Very well told . I think she has finally come out of the shadows and into the light , where she belongs .

@MariaGazda 10 месяцев назад

Most unbiased informative bio. All the 'ism's' broke her creative spirit... alcohol, plagurism, fanatic-ism, etc. The marriage sounds like a codependent narcissistic one on both sides, but more so on Scotts controlling her life and 'forbidding' her writing talent! Here's a couple insights - If she wrote publicly he could not steal her material...He saw her writing as competition, a direct threat. Truth be told, Even Today, Woe unto any Wife in direct competition with her Husband! Won't be pretty! Spoken frm experience. TY, I'll watch yr bio on Scott.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Yes, I think the Baltimore psychiatrist was correct in identifying their co-dependency.

@leanordials8008 4 месяца назад

Love her painting. I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before.

@professorgraemeyorston 4 месяца назад

She is very much under the shadow of her husband.

@nippynf4l831 10 месяцев назад

Thank you for this informative presentation

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it.

@peppylady6426 10 месяцев назад

Never heard of Zelda, glad you did a video on her. I put her book "Save Me The Waltz" to read. An artist I would be interesting watch video, would be Edvark Munch. The one who did the scream.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Thank you, he is on my to do list!

@circussounds855 10 месяцев назад

Zelda was right. She was always right. She was right about Hemingway & she was right about Scott. Scott drove her crazy & sabotaged her treatment, although insanity ran in her family. Poor Zelda. So so so sad.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I was sceptical at first of some of the claims of the Zelda-camp, but although she undoubtedly had some genetic vulnerability, it is Scott who comes out as the villain.

@lettherebelight. 10 месяцев назад

@@professorgraemeyorstonsounds like she was bipolar. Mania and bouts of severe depression. Deep sense of self hatred. Good video.

@circussounds855 10 месяцев назад

@@professorgraemeyorston yes absolutely, although he was a great writer & he did wrestle with personal demons-all his own making. What a charmed life he would’ve had If he only had kept the alcohol under control. A great video among great videos!

@artqueen691 10 месяцев назад

Fitzgerald needed Zelda more than she him. He was a weak man whose best writing only occurred when they were together.

@suneethamay3615 10 месяцев назад

@@professorgraemeyorston She was my friend She was going to church meeting with german friend Lisa Oneday as l remember it was wendesday. They invited me to church tea party They asked me to bring something for elderly ladies. I made a cake carrot cake with less sugar l went with them to Kolonaki German church next to the church there was an elderly ladies home It was first time l went to elderly home l sat with them lt was too much for me to watch There were so many cakes on the table. These old ladies were eating cakes all sort of sweets It was very unpleasant for me to watch old ladies eating that much sweet I told Helga and Lisa if you both concern about old ladies health shoudn't give them that much swees Helga said You shouldn't worry about that much they weren't eating everyday they having that much only once a week Then we went to otherside of the road meeting room. We learned how to make a little teddy bear with cotton material. While we were making bear we were talking about world politics then discussed about lndian politics Lady clergy was saying lndia is over populated because of religion They are so poor The way their talks l felt like they were insulting me l said stop insulting! Indian poverty They are poor because of British colonisation and so on There was lady Niggry Immeediatly l felt another nigger like me She said l should repect and obey holy clergy. Then my reply was l don't care holy or moly l tell the truth l must tell the truth nothing but truth Then Niggry said you are so rude This church for white people you shouldn't come to this church again. Then l left immediately leaving everything behind. lt was first and last visit to white German church elderly ladies home visit.Now l realised she was Helga's boyfriend and the friend This was Just a ' Double Dutch" .

@LianeMunday 4 месяца назад

Really enjoyed this video. Could I suggest you possibly do a video on Vivian Leigh please? 🙏

@professorgraemeyorston 4 месяца назад

I'll look into her.

@loriboufford6342 7 месяцев назад

This was wonderful. Thank you.

@valenteenaes 10 дней назад

Thank you gentle profesor! ❤

@professorgraemeyorston 10 дней назад

You're very welcome!

@valenteenaes 9 дней назад

@@professorgraemeyorston, how about Jack London? I've found his life very interesting, the way he climed up, earned with his writing, got himself a property and established a fer comunity with his helpers...but there was something that drove him astray, as I understud he destroyed his health by eating food which harmed him.. And his mother, she was special..

@annfisher3316 7 месяцев назад

Brilliant commentary, thank you

@professorgraemeyorston 7 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@septemberreign2310 10 месяцев назад

Excellent work!!!

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@choicekat 7 месяцев назад

I have a thought about why she didn’t take the dance opportunity. Perhaps she set a goal for herself that she thought impossible and when she achieved it, that was enough. It might not have been performance but to be good enough to perform. Just my thoughts

@paulabarch5065 Месяц назад

I think she was afraid to take the chance. Afraid she'd fail. Anxiety at this point in her life, pushed into her daily life. She had panic attacks, she imagined people who weren't there, she heard voices. She'd begun to take pills for sleep, for the panic..the general anxiety she felt as soon as Scott to 26:23 ok the first of his daily drinks. And alcohol, made sleeping more difficult, and the mornings after only soothed by taking another drink, along with Scott.

@Sandra-d3g 2 дня назад

Sir, I love your tone. Thank you

@bonzomcduffy8336 3 месяца назад

I absolutely love your documentaries!!!!!

@professorgraemeyorston 3 месяца назад

Thank you.

@AliciaNyblade Месяц назад

The fact that people labeled Zelda as "a distraction to her husband's life's work" is so condescending and sexist. And Scott himself, putting Zelda's private sentiments to him word-for-word in his own work and then having the nerve to accuse HER of plagiarizing when she wanted to write a book on the same subject he happened to be working on. Poor Zelda deserved so much better. Also, I completely agree with her on Hemingway being "a pain in the neck and phony as a rubber check". As a writer myself, I can't stand his style, and as a person, he seemed like an insufferable self-important blowhard.

@professorgraemeyorston Месяц назад

She had a very raw deal.

@ErinDindoffer 9 месяцев назад

After seeing your video on Scott, and how well it was done, I watched this video as well. I was disappointed that Gerald and Sarah Murphy weren't mentioned as they played a large part in the Fitzgeralds' Riviera life; and were present in at least two photos shown in this video. I agree with you and am up in the air about "who took whose" talent. Scott sometimes used too many adjectives in run-on sentences, which is reflective of Zelda's writing style; yet on the other side of the coin, his inspiration was his/their life.

@professorgraemeyorston 9 месяцев назад

The Murphy's were in an earlier draft, but it just kept getting longer and longer!

@heidibee501 4 месяца назад

I wonder if her problems were not psychological in origin, but spiritual. It has been said there is a God-shaped hole in each of us, and no matter how much effort, or how many tangibles we gather, they cannot fill that void. It is possible when she recognized that, her healing actually began, and her frenetic energy could be harnessed. That would my guess.

@mariemorgan7759 10 месяцев назад

In Montgomery, Alabama there is a bed and breakfast that was once a house where Scott and Zelda lived. They decorated the place with Scott and Zelda themes. It is interesting that without Zelda, Scott would not have had the motivation and creative ideas for The Jazz Age lost generation that his novels were based on. Can you please do an episode on Anna Anderson, the woman who claimed to be the grand duchess Anastasia Romanov?

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

That's an interesting suggestion, thank you.

@nonprofitgirl 10 месяцев назад

Thank you! Have you read Everybody Was So Young? She was an alcoholic ..also F Scott. Obviously. It’s really sad. Just…

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I didn't mention the Murphys, they are clearly important to the lives of the Fitzgeralds, but the video was getting too long!

@Mrrossj01 10 месяцев назад

I kept waiting for Talullah Bankhead to appear.

@1234cheerful 7 месяцев назад

Childhood friend.

@AnneAndersonFoxiepaws 6 месяцев назад

I think Zelda would have been such an interesting and fun person, she was lovely and I agree with her about Hemingway too!

@professorgraemeyorston 6 месяцев назад

Maybe a bit spoiled when she was young...but I would have loved to have met her later.

@CoralineJonesPinkPalace 3 часа назад

What's a bit strange...Sheppard Pratt is still a working hospital for mental health. It was still an exciting life! Great video!

@louisepotier2784 7 месяцев назад

Thank-you for your DOC - it was extremely interesting. He died at 44 yrs old? She died accidentally at an early age as well...and her sister burned her beautiful paintings-her sister should be ashamed. Although the daughter says she had a good early life - it mustn't have been easy. From what I can understand, alcoholism - it burns the brain. And so does money. Have a nice day. 🙂

@professorgraemeyorston 7 месяцев назад

Thank you, it does indeed!

@cocoaorange1 10 месяцев назад

$36,000 was a fortune back then, but noting to sneeze at today either. I would spend it wisely.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I don't think either of them knew how to spend wisely!

@theliberatedplanet 9 месяцев назад

I have cats, F. Scott and Zelda. F Scott was such a baby love and he was so proud of himself climbing the tree across the street. He wanted me to always see him climbing the tree. It was his thing. Some cats just have a thing. Zelda was dropped off when everyone heard I was leaving town and taking the cats with me. I found her sitting on the side of the street. The most beautiful little thing with a heart ❤ shaped on her side. She and f scott had the same coloring and their markings were remarkably similar. Zelda was actually crippled in that one of her hind paws was twisted Inward. Her whole body is sort of like a bow shape. She only weighs six pounds. She has always been little and has exotically long hair. I haven't a clue what kind of cat she is. But when she starts running around with that little curved body, she goes in circles, so sometimes I call her tutu. She's like a little ballerina. And she's fierce. Most of the cats are really huge, fifteen to twenty pounds, and none of them mess with Little zelda.😊 Of course, this has nothing to do with the video, which I am enjoying very much.

@professorgraemeyorston 9 месяцев назад

She sounds a character, your Zelda!

@cindysaroya1251 10 месяцев назад

It's astonishing to me how many of the greatest posts, novelists, artists, humorists, and other creative people of Scott and Zelda's generation were severe alcoholics. I often wonder how, or if, sobering up would have affected their work.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

He would have lived longer so we might have got another novel or two from him, but the quality...who knows?

@fizzao1342 10 месяцев назад

@@professorgraemeyorston”The Last Tycoon” showed that it could be as good as his earlier novels.

@AndrewMaendl 6 месяцев назад

❤

@AndrewMaendl 6 месяцев назад

@@professorgraemeyorston😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 😊😊😊

@AndrewMaendl 6 месяцев назад

😊😊

@kaylagarcia1511 9 месяцев назад

OMG she was an AMAZING Painter I feel perhaps IF Zelda had married someone of her Fathers Status whom could afford her the same life her Father provided perhaps she could have been the Woman she really was. I think this IS evidence of why the people in India have arranged marriages in addition to demonstrating how once in a institution OR the system how these modalities further damage or tramatize the individual. I am sure her husbands affaires did not help her as well. WoW she did not even attend her own husbands funeral this whole story is all so So SAD.

@professorgraemeyorston 9 месяцев назад

I know what you mean, but her mother was married off to a solid, but boring man, she wasn't happy and suffered periods of depression.

@catherinelee3298 4 месяца назад

Thank you!

@lovelyandsmartcommentator5130 10 месяцев назад

What a shame that her writings and paintings are lost.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Her writings have survived as have many of her pictures, but it is hard to believe that her sister would burn those that were left in the house.

@Kathleenkelly70 9 месяцев назад

I have double degrees in American literature and history. Just love your videos! Very informative, well-balanced and compassionate. Thank you for your work in putting these videos together!!

@maryfyrr Месяц назад

@@professorgraemeyorstonCan you speculate why Zelda's sister burned Zelda's paintings : jealousy, embarrassment, shame, pity, 'closure', etc. ? 🇨🇦

@The-Portland-Daily-Blink 6 месяцев назад

Wow. This is so sad... punished for just being a woman, at a time when being a woman was so difficult. So sad...

@francescagillon2018 4 месяца назад

Since you are a psychiatrist I strongly advise you to read Ford Madox Ford's A good soldier, a novel published in 1916 describing two extravagant anglo saxon couples. There you will find plenty to analyse presumably starting with the author. It is a remarkably well structured novel.

@professorgraemeyorston 4 месяца назад

Thanks, I'll take a look.

@resipsaloquitur5562 10 месяцев назад

Professor, I love your videos. You deftly combine the artist with the science of psychiatry that is not exploitive but shows the subject as a dignified human being. I am a relative of psychiatrist/researcher/publisher on Schizophrenia and I love history, and you combine my two areas of interest in a skillful manner. I look forward to your videos.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@AdrienneReneau-ky4sc 7 месяцев назад

That Rotary dial phone

@marksobolik8943 Месяц назад

The font for the titles makes Y look like V. I thought his name was Vorsten and Zelda's name was Savre.

@CedricNaar 18 дней назад

Hey Professor Yorston, Wouldn’t it be good if you did a piece on Alex Turner from the Arctic Monkeys? I would absolutely love to experience what you are able to put together about him. Maybe it’s not your thing and that’s cool. Thanks for your videos, Ced

@professorgraemeyorston 16 дней назад

Thanks Ced, as a practising psychiatrist I can't do anyone who is alive.

@CedricNaar 12 дней назад

@@professorgraemeyorston I did not know that! Here are some then which you could potentially do if it's up your alley: Ian Curtis (band, Joy Division), Elliott Smith (musician), Helio Gracie (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) & Leandro Lo (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). What makes you choose a person to do a video on?

@alanaadams7440 7 месяцев назад

Surprised that the diagnosis of alcoholic psychosis wasnt mentioned

@marquitaarmstrong399 7 месяцев назад

When was this produced?

@1stEarlOfSurrey 10 месяцев назад

People crave wealth and opportunity, but it seems to me, these two things become obstacles in their own right. It’s wonderfully difficult to define success…or what is, or has been, a successful life.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Having seen people from all walks of life coming towards the end of their lives, it seems to me that most of them value family more than anything else.

@gina11ism 10 месяцев назад

Couldn't agree more.

@mari-atonjalkanen9920 10 месяцев назад

Amazing video, thank you! You have a voice of a God...

@nonprofitgirl 10 месяцев назад

What? The voice of a GOD? Mmmmhmmm. Fan girl. ;)

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Thank you, but just an ordinary mortal!

@baylorsailor 10 месяцев назад

When I hear $50 a month it sounds like an extremely meager income, but in 1944 it would be equal to about $850 a month. I make only $200 more than that a month myself and today $1 still isn't anywhere as strong as in 1944.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Good point.

@SR77736 6 месяцев назад

I enjoyed this.

@professorgraemeyorston 6 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@cocoaorange1 10 месяцев назад

Poor Zelda, someone should have given her cooking and housekeeping lessons.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

I blame her mother!

@SR77736 6 месяцев назад

I mean she was spoiled and still had a better life than many. Tragic ending though.

@toniadugger3954 7 месяцев назад

thank you

@professorgraemeyorston 7 месяцев назад

You're welcome

@jessicavalentine6340 8 месяцев назад

"He fended her off, giving her a nose bleed and a black eye." You mean, he BEAT her. She tried to take a drink away from an already inebriated man who is making an ass of himself and embarrassing her in from of her parents. He reacts by punching or hitting her in the face, repeatedly. (It would take at least two blows with a closed fist to both blacken an eye and bloody her nose.) Using the word "fend" makes it sound like this situation involved two equals in a voluntary fight. Why choose this word? It makes the audience doubt your dedication to creating a fair and accurate portrayal of this woman - and this man. There are many other instances of you downplaying the domestic violence that was done to this woman. My question is, why??

@jessicavalentine6340 8 месяцев назад

"Still seeing herself more of a belle than a housewife..." Why the false dichotomy? Can't a housewife dance publicly? She's nineteen years old!

@jessicavalentine6340 8 месяцев назад

"Zelda confided to friends that the squabbling sometimes ended in violence when the doors were closed..." Again, you are distancing the subjects from the events. What was it she actually said? What did she endure? How did this physically and emotionally effect her? Why choose to omit this? While you do acknowledge it, you repeatedly gloss over the role domestic violence at the hands of an abusive alcoholic had on the development and prognosis of her mental illness. Why?

@professorgraemeyorston 7 месяцев назад

She said to friends that he was violent to her at times, but we don't have any more details than that. The bruise on this occasion came from falling back against a door, how much was a stumble and and how much a push we don't know. Your assertion about need two blows with a closed fist to cause a bruise is incorrect.

@adampope7147 5 месяцев назад

Very well done! May I suggest Karen Carpenter as a future subject?

@francescagillon2018 4 месяца назад

Zelda certainly had many accomplishments. They were hobbies rather than a profession and a source of income. In my opinion she was a talented spent thrift who ruined her husband's life as well as her own. I feel sorry for both of them. I can't help wondering what sort of marriage was theirs, what sort of catholics were they? I think that she lacked confidence in herself and needed admiration. Once their engagement broken was it sensible to resume their relationship?

@professorgraemeyorston 4 месяца назад

Interesting question - would they have lived longer without each other?

@francescagillon2018 5 месяцев назад

Edouard Jozan was dedicated to his job. He had a beautiful and lenghty career in the french air force. He may have flirted with Zelda but that was all.

@professorgraemeyorston 4 месяца назад

Not according to Zelda - but we don't really know what happened.

@sheryldalton8965 5 месяцев назад

I love her breakfast recipe lol

@professorgraemeyorston 5 месяцев назад

It's honest.

@sheryldalton8965 5 месяцев назад

@@professorgraemeyorston I agree. Great sense of humor too.

@LA-vf6xd 7 месяцев назад

I did find this doc interesting, thank you. But after watching the one of yours on her husband F. Scott Fitzgerald just before, I found it to be almost a carbon copy. I was really excited hoping to watch something completely new on her. You really only have to watch one or the other.

@professorgraemeyorston 7 месяцев назад

I couldn't avoid some overlap, but there is much more detail on Zelda's life before and after Scott in Zelda's one and the conclusions are quite different.

@julieturley6486 2 месяца назад

Wonderful

@ruskoruskov3086 9 месяцев назад

Very good

@professorgraemeyorston 9 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@francescagillon2018 2 месяца назад

There follows a quotation from "the beautiful and the damned" which sounds like a portrait of Zelda: "Anthony found that he was living with a girl of tremendous nervous tension and of the most high-handed selfishness ." p 119 chapter con amore

@patriciajoubert426 6 месяцев назад

Are you related to HG Tudor?

@SR77736 6 месяцев назад

😂

@francescagillon2018 4 месяца назад

I was surprised to hear that the agent or publisher let them choose whose signature they chose for articles. But of course apart from the problem of ownership it created between them it is the readers who were ultimately cheated.

@MaureenDeVries-wd9mh 10 месяцев назад

Agreed

@bill2066 10 месяцев назад

Liked and Subscribed.

@professorgraemeyorston 10 месяцев назад

Welcome aboard.

@AdrienneReneau-ky4sc 7 месяцев назад

FLAMMING PASSION

@francescagillon2018 5 месяцев назад

Wasn't her friend Sara Haardt married to Mencken a genuinely talented woman? Was Zelda a talented mother and housewife? Was she a caring and supportive wife?

@professorgraemeyorston 5 месяцев назад

Yes, Sara continued her work after her marriage until her untimely from tuberculous meningitis at the age of 37.