The zenitco pt-1 or the pt-5 would fix your cheek weld problem it has an adjustable riser and will still allow you to fold your stock I just got mine 2 days ago an I absolutely love it
You can retain the spring when it gets lower than the top segment. Once the spring is compressed enough rotate the top segment 90 degrees which will block the spring and allow you to easily attach your cap back onto the guide rod.
@@Feldmutze It was worth the wait :) Btw, are you considering to upgrade the stock, since there is the issue with chin weld? (I seen that you strapped something to the stock so you can get a cheek weld) The Zenitco stocks are kinda pricey tho.
@@BloPsy_Actual I'm not planning on purchasing a Zenitco stock at this point but I need to do bit more research first. I did a bit of dry practice with the rifle earlier and I already took the cheek pad on the stock off because then I couldn't get my head down low enough to use the iron sights at all, so currently I'm looking into lower scope mounts. If all else fails I'll just get used to having chin weld when I shoot with the scope since it's just a 5.45.
@@Feldmutze I find the chin weld kinda uncomfortable myself. Maybe some AR butt stock with adjustable cheek rest would be nice :) - but that's just my thoughts. Last question tho - will there be a video about the DTK-1 and RK-6 that we seen at the end of the video?
@@BloPsy_Actual I'll take that into consideration, there's a lot of good AR stocks out there. Yes, there'll be videos on the other parts. I've actually already recorded videos on them too but I'm staggering the uploads by about a week each so it isn't too much at one time. I'll have the RK-6 grip video uploaded by the same time next week, and the DTK video will be uploaded a few days before Christmas.
You got a good deal. I just spent $311 plus $42 shipping from Zenitco Russia. The fab defense locked up pretty tight for me but I just didn’t trust it. While locked in it would move from side to side but seemed to return to center. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for mentioning that about the FAB, I still don't know very much about FAB Defense's rail but that's a big problem if it moves around like that. Glad you liked the video!
I think the Zenitco has a buttstock that works great with the B-33 and has a built in cheek riser. It’s called the Zentico PT-5 or there’s the older stock options versions from PT 1-4
Thanks for mentioning that, I'll take a look at their stocks. I was planning on just getting some lower scope mounts but I've been getting the Zenitco stocks recommendeed to me a lot recently so they must be doing something right.
I would also suggest the Magpul Zhukov stock. They work great, look cool and along with the .75 cheek riser it will take care of your cheekweld problem
There's a trick with that recoil spring. You compress the spring all the way past the first section and slide the top section like a T and it holds the spring in place so you can remove the retainer. My B33 came with allen screws and a chrome allen wrench made in Germany. That's weird they gave you slotted screws
Next time I need to remove the recoil spring I'll do that. That is odd. Everything I've ever gotten from Zenitco has always used slotted screws. I wonder if they changed it, did you get your B-33 a while ago or more recently?
You have a lot more patience than I. Good on you for posting this. But I did go with the whole full length hand guard idea before. But at the end of the day mine was getting way too heavy with all the aftermarket parts I was putting on. Stripped it back down to just an Ultimak, Micro dot and light.
Thanks for watching. Those full-length handguards look cool but AKs get heavy really fast with just a few parts, so I can definitely see why you'd take parts back off.
If you swap out the SPR mount for traditional rings, you'll be able to get the scope lower. I did a review on optic mounting options for this mount and its B13 counter part. Low or medium 30mm/34mm rings give you a proper cheek weld vs chin.
Never ever file anything Zenitco. Period. Except if your rifle is milled but they specify state that their products are mostly made for stamped rifles. Also degrease every single screw that come with Zenitco products and then, after they're properly degreased and cleaned, apply a generous amount of Loctite. You don't want to Loctite a dirty and greasy screw, it defeats the purpose. Every single screw needs Loctite on them. Vibrations is what makes screws loose, and the AK takes a shitload of vibrations thanks to it's operating mechanism.
I know this is an old vid but your build is spot on. This is exactky how i want to build my 74 out. Thanks for the great instructions. Hopefully the war in Ukraine ends soon, so much unnecessary loss of life. As side benefit, we might b able to get Zenitco stuff again, at a somewhat reasonable price. Thx again for the great vid!!!
Know this is a little bit of an older video, but another thing is you get more 3 more pic rails with the B33 VS. the TWS dogleg. It made a difference for me when using a thermal clip-on -- it wouldn't fit on the TWS but fit (barely) with the B33. I bought 2 B33s a few years ago for similar price as you -- hilarious how much they are now. No way they're worth that.
That's good to know, thanks for mentioning that! I never looked at how many picatinny slots I had between the two from when I still owned the TWS myself, but that makes sense given how the Dog Leg attaches.
Thanks for the video! I tried the Midwest industries side mount and it was very crooked. Didn’t even check to see if it held zero but it was canted off to the right so bad I didn’t even want to mess with it anymore. Will be ordering soon from Ivan Tactical. Hopefully it fits well with my PSA GF3 AK-47
Dang, I haven't heard of that happening before with Midwest Industries side mounts, but yeah from the sound of it that side mount was really messed up. PSA has a pretty standard pattern so you should be able to get a B-33 fit on there.
Dude did that fit on your rifle???? I'm asking because I have that exact same rifel and I'm thinking of buying this product for mine too can you tell me where you got it and how much it was???
They seem interesting, though not worth the price imo especially when the Zhukov stock exists and is so similar to it. I'd like to try one regardless but I won't be picking one up as none of my AKs are compatible with it.
Filing down your Zenitco oof, yeah good thing I never had to do that. Even though I don't ever plan on selling my Zenitco rails, or kit, but still will never file doen my Zenitco, or use a file on my rifle.
my b33 dust cover did not want to go in that lower rail not sure if i install the lower rail wrong but man this b33 does not want to go in might have file lower rail
The front legs of my b-33 will not fit down into the groves in the handguard no matter how much I hammer it. It looks to me that the band that goes down from the rear sight block around the barrel flairs out just a little too much for the legs to slide into place.
I totally understand with the bad cheek weld. Just an afterthought - you can't find a lower mount for that ACSS? Or use 2 separate 30mm rings that sit low? You can should be able to shave some height off that way.
Thank you! Unfortunately the price went up a LOT since doing this video. You can get them from AK Stuff in the USA or IvanTactical in Russia with discrete shipping but either option is going to be close to $1K or slightly over where it used to be around half that.
That's crazy i had the same issue i had to hammer it in in the Arsenal slr but on my wasr 10 i didnt have to hammer it down it fit smoothly i got the dust cover for both the Arsenal and the wasr 10
That is strange. Glad to know I'm not the only one having to hammer it in though, I had watched Zenitco's official tutorial on how to install the B-33 prior to making this video on it and was a bit concerned when it didn't just slide right in like theirs.
@@Feldmutze so I’m brand new to the AK world and want to know what upgrades I can do that are all zentico for my sam7sf. What is this platform based on and is the product you installed compatible? I want to put in their sport 4 kit
@@cheyenneobregon184 The B-33 is compatible with the Sport-4. However, since the SAM7SF is milled you'll have to do filing on the Sport-4 handguard (and possibly on the B-33 as well) to get it to fit. Zenitco recommends against filing anything, and generally it's a bad idea to file their products, but I've heard of people filing them to make them fit into their milled rifles, so it is possible, just a lot more difficult than on a stamped receiver. Also, I'm a bit unsure of what you mean by what the platform is based on? Do you mean what the B-33 attaches to or?
@@Feldmutze I was on their website and I know some aks are based off of AKMs and AK 103 platforms etc and have no idea why the sam7 would fall into, I want to build the exact rifle the Russian woman has in her sport kit video with the same stock, so me filing would probably take away from that desert finish I presume?
@@cheyenneobregon184 Ah gotcha. The closest thing I can think of for what the SAM7 would be based off of would be the original AK-47 since it had a milled receiver but even then that's a bit of a stretch, the SAM7 has a lot of features from all sorts of different AK platforms (90 degree gas block & brake like on an AK-74, right-side folding like on a Type 56-2 or Galil.) To actually answer your question though, yes, filing it would take away the desert finish. However, the parts you'll need to file, at least on the handguard (again not sure if you will even need to file the B-33) will not be showing. So, every part that shows will still have its finish. One more thing, I'm not totally sure on the SAM7 but I don't think a Zenitco stock will fit. Unfortunately their stocks can't be filed to fit, and instead need to have the correct "lock adapter" (may not be the right word) for your specific gun. i.e. a certain lock for regular AKM type of stocks, a different lock for AK-100 or 74M type of rifles.
That spring seems to be a lot easier to handle if you try to keep your grip at about the same height off of the table and just let the spring gradually walk out of your hands coil by coil. Same in reverse order. Haven’t had one fly off...yet 😂
One method I've been getting a few other comments about is to push the spring all the way down and put the rod part into a t-shape to hold it. I've used that method a few times since recording this video and its a ton easier.
@@Feldmutze that’s precisely what I was going after, just not a great instructor hahahaha!! The more rod you let get between your hands and the surface, the less control you’ll have!!
Hello Jang. Question, im new to AKs and i was thinking of getting a Sam7SF. My buddies told me about Zenitco and def want to add some onto my Sam. Would zenitcos products fit a sam, what would you recommend.
The SAM7s all use a milled receiver so Zenitco won't fit on those. You can get Zenit parts to fit but it's a LOT of filing and fitting to get it to work and in my opinion is more trouble trouble it's worth. I'd recommend getting an AK with a stamped receiver for example an Arsenal SLR-107, WASR-10, or other import AK.
Quick question Jang-Gun, I’ve installed Zenitco parts many times on Russian rifles but I’ve got a brand new 104FR I’ve been saving to do something special with so I’m going to go all out with the “alpha” build for this one. My question is did you have to do any major modification to the rifle to make any of the parts fit? I ask this question because I tried to hell a friend install a b30, b31 and b33 on a 107cr and we had issues with every part. The lower handguard retainer was much too small and the rear sight block had strange bumps that forced us to modify the forks coming from the B33. I’ve looked over my 104FR and nothing pops out at me as a major issue but I’d like to hear from someone who has installed these parts on the same rifle I’ll be working on. My parts list is B10M lower handguard, B19N upper handguard and B33 top cover. Any insight would be appreciated, thanks!
I didn't have to do any modifications to the parts myself. The only part that had any difficulty was this B-33 since I did have to hammer it in, but even then it was easy. Those are some really weird issues with that 107. I've heard of a lot of people having issues getting their Zenit handguards in but never someone having one too small before. I would assume your friend probably just got unlucky and got a bad 107 unfortunately. You'll almost certainly be fine though. I've talked to a lot of other people who've installed Zenit handguards on their SLRs and didn't have issues with fit.
*I did not understand what 107cr is, but apparently this is an analogue of the Russian AK 104 series, if this is so then the B-31 bracket will not suit you, for your weapon with a B-30 long forearm you need a B-31S or B-31L bracket, on AK 104 Russian-made, they get up without any problems! ;-)Here is this bracket on the manufacturer's website* zenitco.ru/catalog/tyuning/kronshteyny_nad_gazovoy_trubkoy/kronshteyn_nad_gazootvodnoy_trubkoy_b_31s/
There's a pretty good chance it will be a loose fit in your rifle, but since every AK has some variance you might get lucky and have it be a tight fit. It would also depend on how much its been filed. Unfortunately, the B-33 won't add any stability to it. With the way Zenitco designed their system it's the B-30U that'd give stability to the B-33 but it won't work the other way around because of how it attaches to the rifle.
Out of curiosity, have you tried FAB Defense dust cover? I first wanted to get the Zenitco kit too, but with all the suctions, paying $1500 for the handguard + the B-33 is just unreasonable these days. The FAB Defense dust cover is only $250. Also, those reviews that I was able to find seem to be pretty positive. (As song as you install it on the rifles built to Russian spec, the fit is apparently perfect. But as far as I know it will NOT fit many other AKs, such as Zastava, or PSA.)
I haven't personally tried the FAB Defense dust cover. I've heard mixed reviews on it personally but I also never looked too deeply into it after I got the Zenitco B-33 so it might work just fine.
There's a few clones made here in the US that are M-LOK. It's pretty unlikely that Zenitco themselves will make an M-LOK version themselves as they have their own proprietary mounting system.
@@Feldmutze I’ll have to check out the clones. The more I look tho the more i like the basis rail system. Did you buy straight from zenit? I’m having a hard time finding a US dealer
@John Hiers I purchased almost all the Zenitco parts for my build from Ivan Tactical in Russia. However, that was years ago. They're not viable anymore due to U.S. Customs seizing Russian packages (unless you go with discrete shipping, which is very expensive and still somewhat risky). Another option is AKStuff. They sell Zenitco parts and are in the U.S.
Yes, you can order directly from Zenitco's store page though I've heard that they're slow with shipping. Personally I've always had good experiences with the shipping times from Ivan Tactical with EMS. It should fit a PSA AK-104, any stamped receiver will fit unless its out of spec.
The spring guide Zenitco provides is larger at the back to provide more tension on the cover to prevent it from moving slightly up/down when it recoils.
interesting, using korean word 장군 but a japanese style armor on your image :) didn't mean to be picky lol 장군 and shogun(cannot use japanese on PC ) could be identical in the side of rank system anyway :)
I was debating between using Shogun & Jang-gun when creating the channel. For a while now I've had an interest in samurai and found them quite cool but I chose Jang-gun because I have a Korean background. I ended up using the samurai armor icon though because I like how it looks despite the kinda weird mix it causes.
In this video I was using a Leapers UTG LT-ELP38Q on a Zenitco B-9AK gooseneck. I've since replaced the UTG light with a Cloud Defensive REIN 2 which works a lot better.
I had that issue in the past with the credit card I used. I'd try either calling your bank or trying a different card, a lot of banks block transactions from Russia since they automatically are flagged as scams.
@jang-gun unsure, I’m pretty sure they aren’t side folding compatible. However... very comfy if you’re not too worried about that as an option. Side folding is good and all for transport... but the Ak isn’t that long over all to begin with, and the stock being shortened and what not is great for CQB training, and long distance as well. Comfy rubber butt cover as well. Not trying to over sell it but for me it works great and would be a good option for raised optics
Another question too. Do you know if this dust cover would be an option for zpap m70 by zastava at all? I’m looking for options other than side rail attached
@@alexanderlang8274 Good to know. I'll think about that leather cheek riser. Currently I'm considering a combination of a PT-3 stock and a lower scope mount.
From what I can tell from a quick look at the RAK-47's specs, yes, it should work. Generally speaking Zenitco fits all stamped receivers unless it's way out of spec.
Held zero perfectly so far. I've actually never used side mounts, RS Regulate or otherwise, as I prefer being able to fold the stock to transport the rifle easier so I greatly prefer the B-33.
@@spacemarin04 That's a long wait time, I'll just keep waiting and see. I'd imagine that'd be fairly extensive modification to the SLR to get them to fit together, though it's certainly possible to do.
I'm using an SSO Strike vest. I did a separate video review just on it, which is here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wl9mCBSOOcQ.html
Sounds like a good idea. I'm not going to do any torture tests for a video but so far I've had it hold zero, though I did have the leg screws on this come loose so gotta use a lot of thread locker.
@@Feldmutze Havent been to the range yet myself to test it. I used blue loctite on all my zenit screws hopefully it will hold. I've used it on other applications as well. I've got a 74 bulgarian brake with adapter for 7.62, used loctite on the adapter and so far the brake hasn't moved.
@@Sivil-D Same here, I'm using blue on all of mine. At first I only put loctite on the top screw of the B-33 and not on the leg screws because I didn't think they needed it. Surprisingly it didn't lose zero even though those unthreaded completely. Sounds like the adapter works pretty well. I've been thinking of getting one for my WASR but I hadn't heard of anyone's experiences with them until now.
@@Feldmutze that's precisely where I put mine, on my Wasr. I now run the Sturm after seeing your video on it, just looks cooler than the standard bulgarian. I also run an Eotech 512, but, even with a quality holo I'm still curious if the b33 will retain zero. Tactical practical lol
I'm not 100% familiar with the exact specs on a VSKA but from the information I could find, yes it should. As a general rule so long as the receiver follows a standard AKM stamping pattern it will fit.
@@chasebarnett3592 Zenitco used to make a telescopic recoil spring but I think they stopped making it. I can't find it on their website anymore or on any of their resellers.
@@chasebarnett3592 Best option would be to try buying a different B-33 recoil spring guide from Zenitco. You could also try looking into the recoil spring guides that come with other railed receiver covers like the TWS Dog Leg for example though that'd be super iffy.
It took about 2 weeks for me to get it. I'd recommend getting the more expensive shipping option though, I've heard people who ordered using the cheaper option having it take months to arrive.
@@Feldmutze i wrote a nice little comment that i somehow did not.ppst right about acouplenthings. One part wasba thank for letting me know ivan tac was legit i got an akm aka schturm and a b13 optic rail. I also asked you if yoi orderednyour b33 from that ordanance place incrussia where you got your b10. The best part of the comment was me breaking down why i feel the texas industries dust cover rail is superior to the zenit rail cover whicj i feel is over rated. to keep it shott the texws dog leg is much more modular=modeen and allows you tovreplace your rear sight with many modern micro dot options. Also mt favorite part is the rear peep sight which wvertone says is superior to the old mediocre notch sight. the rear peep improves your sight picture, target acquisition, makes canted sights a non factor, and to me is one of the best inclusions included in the package. and another great feature is that it is the same price as a hi qual side rail!. rven through my resewech switching yoirn rear notch siggt to a peep side gets hreatbresuots and dram omproves the gun. I just wish i could find a peep to add to the back thats not one from that tech sight company, buti may or might be able to find something that can work on on my rail since it isnpretty low pro. If i wasnt planning on testing dif calibers sizw manufactures patterns i woiodnbiight that texndog leg yesterday instead. lol i am not as lucky as yoi to have a beautiful tried andn true ak that you cna buikd up with NO regrets since the base gun is awesome and 5.45! OH btw what IS the gin: manufacturer etx. Arsenal? andnwjwre did you get a (official des ak 74m) Arsenal?
@@Mithradates_of_Los_Angeles No problem, glad I could help. I ordered my B-33 through Ivan Tactical & my B-10 through Outpost Armories. I disagree on the TWS. While different styles of rear sights do work better than the stock AK ones for target acquisition (and accuracy in some cases) I prefer the Zenitco B-33 because it doesn't replace the elevation-adjustable rear iron sight. If a picatinny-mounted adjustable rear iron sight existed for AKs here in the United States that might change my assessment but as of this comment there's no good options for replacement. My rifle's an Arsenal SLR-104FR. I bought it a while ago off of GunBroker. Unfortunately Arsenal doesn't have any plans to import any more 5.45s.
I had a lot of difficulty disassembling the recoil spring when recording this, but a few other people have since commented on here mentioning pushing the spring down, turning the top half of the guide rod out to use it as a hold, then installing the rest of the spring that way which makes it a lot easier. There's other short videos showing this part of disassembly as well, since it's easier to see it than to read it through text.
The AKademia Sturm is very similar in performance to a regular Bulgarian muzzle brake but with worse muzzle flash. The Zenitco DTK-3 is incredible, it reduces muzzle rise considerably but I feel a bit of blast to my face when firing. If you're interested I've done videos on both of them where I compare their effectiveness. Sturm: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_mVt2uXEcgk.html DTK-3: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_GGb4v2ai4o.html
The B-33 itself is $290 and a B-10M handguard is $115 based on prices from IvanTactical. Depending on what handguard you get the price will be a bit different.
So for reference I ordered this from IvanTactical. This particular order took 2.5 weeks to get to me and a previous order to the same company took about a little over a week. However, depending on where you buy it or the shipping option it could easily take a few months.
@@Feldmutze Thsnks man.. Thats not as long as I expected. Sweet. I assumed so. Ivan's is the olny place iv heard you can get one easily. Well when there in stock. I just checked again and they were out of stock on just about everything. Litraly everything I checked at least. So until they come back in stock ill b on it but i need the handgaurd as well. So for now I litraly just ordered the tws gen 3 Just 5 mins ago. Olny thing is even if it works well the zenitco stuff is just so dam sexy looking. I just have to have it.
@@damianbigelow9511 l get that, Zenitco did a super good job on their aesthetics. At least in my experience I've noticed that with IvanTactical they seem to get new shipments in every week or two. If they're out of stock now they'll probably have stuff back in by early next week.
It's a great upgrade. If you're planning on getting into AKs there's a lot of different options for mounting optics that work quite well such as side mounts that cost quite a bit less.
Problem with that is then I can't get proper cheek weld when using the normal iron sights. I'm currently planning on getting a much lower scope mount which should almost certainly fix the issue.
People don't say this, availability from Russia, overpricing, and yes the b33 is 230, now, a year later, 350, but you have to buy two other parts that go up to 700 with that, T dog is way better because of this.
Agreed. I hadn't used very much FAB parts when I made this video, but in the years since I tried out a bit more of their stuff, and it's certainly sub-par.
